Five EV Questions - 2013 Tesla Model S Long-Term Road Test

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Five EV Questions - 2013 Tesla Model S Long-Term Road Test

Here are the five most common questions about EVs.

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rock2155

Charge time is certainly the most common question and like you said the most difficult to answer. Most of the time my charge time is about 45min... So my answer is generally: "Worst case scenario, after 250mi of driving, about 4h at home at 80A and it costs about 5$, but generally its about 45min after 30mi commuting for about 75 cent"

jim_nj

Although I drive a Volt, question #5 that I often get is "How much does the electricity cost?" My best answer is to say that it's equivalent to $1.10/gallon in my area ($0.13/kwh). I'll sometimes mention that it my electricity bill went up by $40/month to drive 1000 miles on electricity. But I find the "$1.10/gallon" equivalent answer to be the most quickly understandable (of course rates vary with local electricity rates).

throwback

Phil, would you buy a Model S after all the issues with this one? My understanding is the Leaf is very reliable.

duck87

Do you have a second car in your household that makes recharge times unimportant?

mercedesfan

This may just be a Model S thing, but the big question I always get after those 4 is "how fast is it?".

philip17

Throwback: I would take a hard look at the warranty before I bought a Model S. But, if I had the money, I'd put it high on my list. After driving an EV for three years, I'd find it hard to go back to an ICE. For me, I love the simplicity of the design: battery + electric motor = transportation.

throwback

Thanks for the answer. So what ARE you buying next? Another Leaf? As you write for IL( It will always be IL to me) I suggest an i3. My buddy test drove one and loved it, and he's not an EV fan.

philip17

The i3 is on my list but I'm waiting to see what the lease price will be. Now that the prices have dropped so much I'm even thinking of the Volt. That's like buying two cars in one. Also, VW is introducing an EV Golf that looks good.

fordson1

I am not an EV owner, but I would guess that once the cut-to-the-chase range-anxiety questions are out of the way, people would ask how long you have had it/how many miles are on it, and how has the ownership experience been.

se_riously

For my Prius Plug In, I answer question 2 with "Yes, after the battery runs out, it drives just like any other Prius with gas." So question 3 ends up being "Do you need anything special in the house to charge it up?", to which I answer "Just a regular outlet, and it fully charges in 3-hours."

darthbimmer

@duck87 said:
Do you have a second car in your household that makes recharge times unimportant?

Forget that. "Do you have a second car in your household that makes frequent trips to the dealer for battery/complete drivetrain replacement unimportant?"

Mr_Shiftright

I don't think the recharge time question is trivial at all---if say, you come back at dinnertime after a 250 mile trip, guess what? You aren't going out in that car this evening.

I wonder how many people are actually using the Tesla as a second car. Any data on that? And if most people are, isn't $100K a bit much for that role?

eshapir

#5 for me re: Model S is don't your electric bills go way up? Answer I usually give is, not really. The biggest factor that affects our electricity here in Miami is how long our AC runs due to the outside temp. That has a larger effect than spending an extra $10 on recharging at home.

gslippy

As a Leaf driver, here are the most common questions I get:

#1: What's the range? (Then I have to launch into a discussion about % full, and cold weather.)

#2: What do you do when it runs out of juice? (Then I ask them if they've ever seen a stranded EV; the answer is that EV drivers learn to plan better).

#3: How long does it take to charge? (Given my daily usage, it's about 2-3 hours on 220V.)

#4: How much does it raise your electric bill? (Answer: about $20/month for 800 miles).

#5: Does it have a transmission? (No, just a simple gear reduction.)

skw0123

How about, "Does it bother you that Elon Musk is such a sphincter?"

rock2155

@Mr_Shiftright said:
I don't think the recharge time question is trivial at all---if say, you come back at dinnertime after a 250 mile trip, guess what? You aren't going out in that car this evening.

I wonder how many people are actually using the Tesla as a second car. Any data on that? And if most people are, isn't $100K a bit much for that role?

Actually in the last 6 months it occurred twice, long trip back home and wanted to leave for something else. I got the dual chargers and high current (80A, 19.2kW) wall connector for that purpose. I get about 60mi of range per hour of charge. If you plan a bit you can manage to get around it, on both occasion we were able to wait.

The Model S is our primary car, we have three young child and we cannot fit in the other car that my wife uses for commuting, its sits only 4 without much luggage since its a mini cooper. We will replace that gas burner soon with something electric too. Once you appreciated the electric drive its no turning back, its a one way process. Once in a while I drive the ICE car because my wife keep trying to "steal" the Tesla...

opfreak

2: your Tesla has a motor. It doesn't have an engine.

evodad

@rock, lucky usually the wife ends up with the expensive the car and the husband has the cheaper / beater-ish car

@Mr_shiftright, i would guess most use the tesla as their primary commuter car and have a second ICE vehicle for which they can use for long trips or when the tesla is charging. Especially at the tesla price point i would find it very hard to believe that any couple that has a tesla does not have a second or 3rd car which is not electric.

mayhemm

These are indeed some of the most common questions I'm asked (especially 3 and 4) but the number 1 question I'm asked (and this is not unique to my Model S) is "How much does it cost?". I'm always a bit startled by it because I was taught that it was impolite to ask about money. I guess most other people were not taught the same.

Mr_Shiftright

60 miles per hour of charge--that's a handy number to know---thanks!

teslafan

No one mentioned that charger installation plus electric panel upgrade to support 80A charging at home is a couple of grand easy.
And charging time becomes crucial only on long trips. 30 minutes to charge 150 miles + wait times at super chargers at odd hours can be really difficult for some families traveling with kids/older parents.