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Low End Sedans (under $16k)



  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,924
    The Jazz has both Scions beat. I don't think the xA is all that bad looking, meaning if it is a good car otherwise I would consider buying one. The xB, nope, no way.
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,726
    people who would like the looks of a corolla would never buy an xA, and vice versa. Ultra-conservative versus moderately out-there!

    The xB is the more polarizing of the two, a far as I am concerned. I don't know if Element is selling that well, but look out, here comes a competitor. I sort of like the funky looks, but not enough to buy one probably.

    2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)

  • majorthomechomajorthomecho Posts: 1,331 be a low end car enthusiast. Lot of interesting cars will soon be coming to market.

    I have to admit that as much as I love my Echo, I am starting to get the new car fever, but with over 60,000 miles on the Major in slightly over two years, can you blame me? No real problems except the horn going out and it is not a blown fuse. The car will be going into the shop Saturday.

    Even though it is out of the low end price category, I had considered the Dodge Neon SRT-4 until I read the write up in the latest issue of Car And Driver. The SRT-4 came in first during a comparison, but they said the car was not all that comfortable and returned only 14mpg. Would be quite a change going to that from a car that gets almost three times that.

    I am also thinking about a Suzuki Aerio, but equipped in such a way that would push it above of our arbitrary $15,000 ceiling. By that I mean a Suzuki Aerio with AWD and ABS. Yes, in yellow.

    One coming soon car that has caught my eye (on strictly a visual basis) is the Chevrolet Aveo sedan nee Daewoo Kalos. I really like the overall look of the car although I don't like what appears to be a downward curve on the doors. Looks out of place. I also wonder what the tail looks like as the only pictures I have seen are from the side or front. One thing I don't like is the placement of the gas filler door. It is on the passenger side while the Echo's is on the driver's. Makes it easier to judge if you are in the right spot to stop to fill up.

    Of course, there is always getting a new Echo.

    I guess the best thing to do would be to get my current car paid off before getting a new car. But if I have the old one paid off, I could always save up on a down payment and keep the Major and buy a new car.
  • majorthomechomajorthomecho Posts: 1,331
    I think I posted about how my roommate won a travel bag from Hyundai at our local auto show, but just thought I would let you know that she still has not received the promised knife or corkscrew. Neither of which they could give her then due to security reasons.

    I did get something in the mail from Hyundai though. I just need to take a test drive of any Hyundai before May 15th and I get a $50 Sharper Image gift card. I think I am going to test drive a Elantra GT sedan if it is out. If not out or not available, I am going to going with the Elantra sedan with an automatic transmission.
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,726
    if you like the new Aveo hatch, the Scion xA we were referencing earlier should be right up your alley! Look for some pictures on-line - the NY auto show has a website that has some pictures right now.

    And it is going to sell for $13K w/ CD and A/C, and power windows/locks...

    2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)

  • newcar31newcar31 Posts: 3,711
    I read that C&D comparison too. The Neon kicks some serious butt, but it only gets 14 mpg. What's the point of having a 4 cylinder if you're only going to get 14 mpg?

    I'd rather get a Mustang GT that gets better mileage, isn't a Neon, sounds better, and is just as worthless in the winter as a Neon with 245 lbs-ft of torque and Z-rated tires. The Mustang will almost certainly be more durable. The Neon SRT seems like a good deal until you put it up against a Mustang.
  • muffin_manmuffin_man Posts: 865
    The Neon will do better than 14mpg if you stay out of the turbo. That was 14mpg under hard driving.

    I don't think a Mustang would be any more reliable, but it would be worse in the winter w/ rear wheel drive.
  • If you like your Echo so much, why not keep it longer? You can't beat that mileage. Also why would you want to have 2 cars in the same class? If you absolutely have to get the new car within a year, I would second that Scion xA would be a right car for you. On paper and looks like improved Echo.
  • newcar31newcar31 Posts: 3,711
    I think the Mustang will be more reliable and more durable. The natuarally aspirated V8 in the Mustang doesn't work very hard to make the power it does and it has been proven in taxi cabs, police cars, and trucks. The Neon has a hard working, force fed, Chrysler 4 banger. Engine wise, it's a no-brainer to me. The drivetrain in the Mustang is also a much more sturdy design. We're talking RWD with a solid rear axle vs. FWD with half-shaft twigs. Again, no brainer. As far as the winter is concerned, both cars are going to need winter tires. A Mustang does fine with winter tires.

    As far as 14 mpg being because of hard driving, I don't doubt that, but my 91' Mustang 5.0L got 14 mpg when it was being driven hard. The new 4.6Ls in the Mustangs get better mileage than my old 5.0L. Why drive a 4 cyl that gets 14 mpg when you can drive a V8 that gets the same or better mileage? The V8 sounds MUCH better. On top of that, I'd rather be in a Mustang than a Neon.

    As far as insurance rates are concerned, I guarantee that the insurance companies aren't sleeping on the Neon SRT. Both cars are going to be spendy.
  • majorthomechomajorthomecho Posts: 1,331
    I don't like the looks of the Aveo hatch. I like the looks of the Aveo sedan. There are very few hatches that I like the looks of in fact.

    Regarding the 14mpg of the Neon and getting better gas mileage if you don't drive it so hard, what is the point of having so much power if you don't drive it hard.

    And having so much power is why I would be willing to lay aside other factors.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,924
    Admit it, Major--you want to get an Aveo just so the Daewoo TV in your kitchen can have a cousin to talk to, right? ;-)

    What do you think about the other two rebadged Daewoos that are coming to Suzuki dealerships soon? I personally think the Verona is pretty sharp looking, and a good value (V6 loaded sedan starting at $16k list), even if the engine is a litle underpowered for its class.
  • muffin_manmuffin_man Posts: 865
    You may be right - but how much is a Mustang GT?

    Performance for the dollar is probably going to go to the SRT4.
  • lngtonge18lngtonge18 Posts: 2,228
    Hey, we agree on something!! I really like the looks of the Aveo sedan too. It's a very attractive design for a cheap car. And you can get a factory power sunroof! I think the Aveo may sell better than Chevy expects based on the attractive design, big rebates, and high feature content. As long as they actually advertise it.
  • coolguyky7coolguyky7 Posts: 932
    Check out the Scion xA, it's a great deal, much better than the Echo and everything's standard!
  • iluvmysephia1iluvmysephia1 Alamogordo, NMPosts: 7,615
    sedan on the road tonight I hereby proclaim Kia's Spectra sedan the best looking small low-end car on the road. Bar none. Kia just plain has the others beat in the body design department. I drive a 2001 Kia Sportage 4x4 but if Jerry Smith Chev-Buick-Kia of Anacortes, WA had stocked the 2002 Kia Spectra sedans by that day(Sept.29,2001)I bought my Sportage I would have picked up an '02 Spectra sedan. Turns out we were about 2 weeks early for Jerry's to receive their first '02 Spectra's ever so the '01 Pepper Red Sportsman is what we drove off in. It's turned out to be a good choice as it can carry more stuff and we're going to get a hitchkit and a 5x8 RoadForce trailer with ventilation roll-open window on the roof and window on the side so we can not only haul stuff with it we can sleep in it while camping and stuff our two Pomeranians and our Norwegian Forest cat in it, too. I'm gettin' itchy to hit the road and see some American country this summer, eh?!! =:)

    2011 Kia Soul Sport 5-speed

  • maskedmasked Posts: 9
    Hey all,

    I was just wondering, where is a good place where I can find stock 0-60 times (for autos) for a bunch of under 15k sedans? I'm looking for the sportiest of the sporty here.

    Same goes for used...because I would guess a V6 Nissan Maxima would kill all the new 4 bangers coming out.

    If anyone has that info, thanks in advance.
  • dinu01dinu01 Posts: 2,586
    Fastest does NOT equal sportiest!!!

    The Corolla posts better #s than a Protege, but a Protege kills it in driving fun, steering feel, cornering, and smiles/miles, the last of which cannot be measured - you have to drive one to experience it.

  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,924
    Sporty != Speed. If you want sheer speed, I'm sure you can find a used Maxima under $15k. You might even be able to find a slightly used Neon SRT, Focus SVT, or Sentra SE-R Spec IV for around $15k if you want something newer, and smaller. I know some of the car mags publish summaries of their tests in the back of the mags, including 0-60 times.
  • muffin_manmuffin_man Posts: 865
    I think the Spectra is pretty nice looking too, unfortunately it's the worst car I've ever had the displeasure to drive.
  • maskedmasked Posts: 9
    I'm not saying fastest=sportiest by any means, I know a lot better than to say that. But I am looking for a fairly small sedan that can put up a good 0-60 time.

    The most annoying thing to me with my car now (01 Tib), besides lack of room, is constantly revving the engine hard for speed. I'm looking for more torque, less rev...and I would guess a Maxima would be best for that.

    I think revving is the way with Sentras, Focuses, and Neons. I may be wrong, though. Any ideas on other cars?
  • newcar31newcar31 Posts: 3,711
    "I'm looking for more torque, less rev"

    The Sentra with the 2.5L is pretty torquey and you shouldn't need to rev it that hard to make it move.

    "But I am looking for a fairly small sedan that can put up a good 0-60 time."

    If you need an automatic, the only choices I can think of would be a Sentra with the 2.5L or a Jetta 1.8T. If you can drive manual, the Neon SRT is the fastest 0-60 by far.
  • protegextwoprotegextwo Posts: 1,265
    "think the Spectra is pretty nice looking too, unfortunately it's the worst car I've ever had the displeasure to drive."

    The reality often get what you pay for.
  • maskedmasked Posts: 9
    Thing is, I can drive a stick, I just get sick of it. It's fun when I feel like it, it's not fun when driving through Atlanta traffic each day. Thanks for the cars, I looked up more info on the Sentra and I liked the torque lines on it. Gonna do the same for the Jetta.

    Anyone have other ideas on cars? Thanks.
  • majorthomechomajorthomecho Posts: 1,331
    The latest survey is out and the current model year of my car, the Toyota Echo, is tied for second in its category. First was the Corolla and the car the Echo tied with was the Mitsubishi Lancer.

    Overall, Toyota's vehicles were above the industry average while Hyundai and Kia were below the industry average. In fact, Kia was third from the bottom.

    Okay, let the spinning begin.
  • dinu01dinu01 Posts: 2,586
    Any car should be reliable in the first 3 years, let alone 3 mths. JDP is a joke! Just like MSN CarPoint IMO.

  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,924
    I guess the Corolla owners who were surveyed all wear clothespins on their noses when they drive their cars. :^)

    So you still have the ECHO, Major? When are you going to trade it in on that new Aerio?
  • majorthomechomajorthomecho Posts: 1,331
    I am not sure what the clothespins reference is in regards too. Could you enlighten us, Backy? Are you talking about the pungent smell that I first noticed in Korean models, but have now started to afflict more and more cars?

    As to the Echo, yes, I still have it. I am not sure if I will be getting a new car or what kind if I do. I might forget about quality, reliability, and fuel economy and get a Dodge SRT-4.

    If and/or when I get a new car, I will let you know.
  • dunworthdunworth Posts: 338
    I think the clothespin comment has to do with the rotten egg smell exhibited by the new 02/03 Corollas - a problem apparently cause by high sulphur in the gas. I have an '02 Corolla and have never experienced the problem because I only buy from Sunoco and Shell which in Toronto have the lowest sulphur.

    I think for the money these days you can not beat a Hyundai Accent. It is really tightly built, got a durable motor, and nicely styled.

    This fall in Canada we are getting an Echo hatchback which is the Vitz/Yaris in other markets. IMHO it looks much nicer than the sedan version and should be agressively priced. We will not be getting the Scions up here.
  • majorthomechomajorthomecho Posts: 1,331
    While JDP does measure longer term results, the survey that just came out was measuring initial quality and not reliability.

    Dinu, your response is like saying my car is ugly in response to my talking about the great gas mileage it gets. In other words, your response doesn't match up.
  • dinu01dinu01 Posts: 2,586
    Major: It wasn't meant to be insulting at all. I apologize if it came through this way. I was just pointing out a problem w/the JDP survey and how useless it is.

    Speaking about Toyotas, the Scion xA looks nice IMO.

    And yes, the Accent in GSi (GT in the US) is a desirable car - for the price.

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