Does anyone know what is the last date of the AFS payments? I know that the Audi summer even ends July 6, 2009 but one of the dealers I talked to said that the AFS ends June 30 and the apr's end on July 6. Any info?
I finally purchased an A4 2.0T Quattro with Prestige and Nav (in California) - ice silver metallic, black interior. Price was 39.5K before the taxes, AFS 2 payments, and the audi care package. Taxes were around 4K+ and the audi care was 740.
I want to warn you that the dealer tried to give me the loan 1% higher (2.9%) than what AFS is offering. I noticed that (at that point all the number start to look the same) and pointed it out to him. He said that's what Audi is offering. When I said that I know about AFS offers right now and made some noise, he said that he will put in 1.9%. After that I got the deal done. Be alert guys!
Loving every minute in the new car! I felt that it was a good deal. Any comments?
We also got stuck with a higher-than-promotion interest rate at 4.9% but that was one of the concessions we made to get exactly the car we want at exactly the time we needed it. Besides, we will probably just pay the car off immediately after the two free payments. The money isn't doing us much good in the stock market.
As I repeatedly told my wife, getting the right car was more important than getting a huge discount. We keep our cars for 10-15 years, so saving a few thousand bucks isn't the most important part of the deal. We are ecstatic over our (her) new A4 Quattro. Made us wish the 8 hour drive to the wine country took even longer, and the dogs had tons of room in back with the rear seats folded down.
(Funny, but little things, like a huge rear seat pass-through make a more significant difference in our lives than do more obvious things like two-zone climate control or a back-up camera.) Anyway, I'm glad we spent a long time looking for the car that she is going to love for years and years. She has already said that she'd be ready to give her car to me if we had bought the Acura TL or the Lexis i300. It might be a while before she offers this car to me.)
I was loving the transmission on the way here. On the highway, it shifts smoothly with no attention needed. On the mountain roads, the Tiptronic makes it as fun to drive as a sports car.
The only problem is the smoothness/180mph-speedometer combination. A couple of times I thought that all surrounding traffic was going slow only to look down and realize that we were going 90. I'm going to have to do some research on speeding tickets and see when it's worthwhile to risk it.
Congratulations to you and your wife. The reason I mentioned the interest rate is because that is what the dealer tries to do ie get you to sign the loan at a higher interest rate. I was ready to walk out though if I didn't get what I wanted.
I had the same issue with dealer financing. They casually tried to slip in the "we had you down for 2.9%" just before signing. They backed down quickly when I said no, but there were a number of instances of them trying to sweeten the deal at the end. Ended up with a prem plus w/wood trim for 34.4. I think I did ok, but I'm sure there was some room in that price. Probably could have taken another good chunk if I was willing to play the game a little more.
Thank you. I thought you got the sports package with it too? I have been reading so many posts , so I am not sure. Mine's the 2.0T engine too, not sure if you got that one.
I did the same thing and said no. They didn't do anything else in the end. The finance guy just wanted to move on and finish the deal. They had a line of customers after me who were buying that day (last day of the month). But I did take a break in between and said that I wanted time off before I finally sign off on the deal. That gave me a chance to look at all the documentation and numbers.
When we picked up our car, I relied heavily on Edmund's TMV and that other site that shows actual purchase prices (sorry I forget the name). According to both of those sites, we got a pretty good deal before the Summer incentives were added on.
As I said before, it's nice to get a good deal, but the Audi has unexpectedly paid off in compliments from friends. I can't count the number of people we know who have come up to us and said, cars are my life and this is a -really- nice car.
So, more power to you if you can save another $500, but more important to do what you want before you get hit by a bus.
Anyway, this whole experience left me wondering. If Edmund's TMV Pricing isn't the final word, what's the best strategy for buyers? Does it all boil down to endlessly shopping the deal? I'm due for a new car myself and if I can't figure out the "best" way to buy, I'll just never pull the trigger.
I compiled a few stats on June's Cdn numbers from the newswire...
AJAX, ON, July 2 /CNW/ - Audi Canada achieves best first half ever:
- 1106 units represent best June in Audi Canada history - 52% ahead of June '08 sales - Year to date sales up by 17%
Audi Canada today reported that 1106 units were registered for the month of June. The leading models in terms of sales were the A4 and A4 Avants, the all-new Audi Q5, the Audi Q7 and the A3.
Other stats about June's numbers (all #s compared to June 2008; Source: CBC.ca, Thursday, July 2, 2009 | 5:22 PM ET):
- Volkswagen sales were the highest in nine years, up 15.8% - Hyundai Auto Canada Corp. up 26 % - Kia Canada sales up 37.9 % - Nissan (incl. Infiniti) up 3.5% - Honda sales down 20 % - Toyota down 17% (incl. Lexus) - Chrysler down "more than 50 %" - Ford cars down, but truck sales surging 36 % - GM's car sales down almost 40 per cent, and truck sales down 20 %
I think there's no fixed limit on how low you can get the price. It depends a lot on the incentives that the dealer is getting from Audi and how quick they want to sell the car (influenced by how long its been on the lot, when the new models will be coming in etc etc). So keep trying until you are satisfied. I think I made up a number which I thought would be a good price for me (trying to be real in terms of what the dealer can afford to go down to).
My advice is shop around at several dealers and also look online. That would give you a number . Good luck to all.
I just got my car about a month and a half ago- an Audi A4 2009. I looked at all the prices that Edmunds listed (TMV vs. Inventory, etc...) I went to Rusnak dealership in Pasadena, CA and was able to get below Inventory price plus fees on a premium plus package with navigation, the ipod connector and a color upgrade to the paint. I paid cash so I have no idea about financing.
As far as service, unfortunately I know how this is already. I had a problem already. They have fixed my car and had it back to me in a matter of days each time it was in the shop. They paid for my rental car (a Mercedes or better each time) and have detailed my car for free. They were not as accomodating until I had to lay into them for various reasons- 1) some punk working there nearly ran me over in my car, 2) they just cleared the fault and did no work 2 times ago which required me to come back this last time. I'm hoping that the problem is fixed now, though, and I don't have to keep running in there every couple of weeks.
It is interesting to note so many people having bad experiences with Audi dealerships. My local Audi dealership has been the best experience in all the different cars I have owned, including BMW. Unfortunately I will not take my car back there unless it needs something "involved". The prices for the mileage based checkups and oil changes are too high, considering they really don't do anything to the car. I must also say the car has been absolutely bulletproof for 3 years. Knock on wood.
This last time I had absolutely no complaints about the way they treated me or the service I received. I think it took me raising hell the last time to get them to take me seriously (maybe bc I'm a girl) but they got the message.
My new bf is a mechanic, though, so I think that by him calling in as well having self diagnosed the problem, that made them think about how they are going to treat my car. They did keep it for a few days to take their time with it and they said it was with a senior technician, who has 20+ years in the business. So I hope that the repair stays fixed.
Can someone let me know if this quote sounds fine...or should this be negotiated further down ?
Ibis white color 2009 A4 quattro 4 dr Sedan ( premium pkg + ( options : Bluetooth, Heated Seats, Ipod connectivity, 6 CD changer,wood trim) .. The dealer is willing to sell at TMV cost which is about $31,700 , TTL is another 3k
We bought our A4 at a little below TMV and after researching a bit further (buyer's remorse?) found that we could have probably negotiated another $1,000 off the deal. We weren't too upset because we wanted that exact car at that exact time.
Based on what others have posted here and on other boards, you should be able to get it for below invoice. Some have posted that theirs for close to $1500 under invoice, but I'd take that with a grain of salt. While it may be true, I wouldn't be surprised if some people exaggerated. While Audi doesn't always have customer rebates, lately they have had cash to dealer rebates which can and often do pass on to the customer.
Don't forget that the amount that you pay may differ from what other people are getting because of competition in your area. People in southern CA or NY city have lots of Audi dealerships near by and get better deals than those who's dealership is a few hours drive.
Couple things to note: first, TMV is a moving target. It gets updated (a bit of a lag IMHO) as sales data flows through. I got my Avant in late May and have the Edmunds.com TMV price report printout as of 5/21 right in front of me. MSRP says $40,150, Invoice shows $37,500 and TMV = $37,600. I got mine for $36,000.
That said, I did another TMV as of 2 minutes ago and guess what? Avant + Premium Package + Metallic paint and a few other small options (same configuration as of 5/21) is now $35,250! That's less than 2 months ago and now it looks like I paid $750 OVER TMV rather than $1,600 under. If I said I could get the car for $1,500 under TMV TODAY, that would indeed be an impressive deal and would price the car at $33,750. Time should be factored into your research since TMV moves around (and by quite a bit as of lately).
So could I have done better? I dunno. I also got $1,000 cash back (after the $36,000) and my first two payments paid for. Did others get similar deals? TMV won't show that.
Don't try and read too much into these things...you'll just go crazy saying "what if?" Stop looking at these forums and enjoy the car...
MSRP: $45775 OTD: $37824 + TTL on 07/17/7. Options: Navigation Plus ($2100) and Special Edition (included in MSRP). Vehicle is Ibis White/Beige interior/Beige top. Spouse is elated with her car!
2010 prices have been announced and cars should start to flow from the docks any day. In many cases, no change...but memory seats and auto day/night mirror have moved to the prestige package from the premium package....and the symphony radio has apparently disappeared altogether. The prestige option is not available on the 2wd models but it does include nav and backup camera on the 4wd's..
New poster here. It's end of the line for 3.2 A4 production but I have driven both the 2.0 and 3.2 and liked the smoothness of the bigger engine even if it's less fuel efficient. I have a sales quote on a new 3.2 Prestige with Navigation and Audi Care included for $38,500 (MSRP around $47,000). I just loved driving this -- I am a fool to get the larger engine? Thanks, Tim
2009 A4 Quattro 2.0 TFSI Premium w/ heated seats Automatic Quartz Gray, Black interior 36 months 12K miles $1200 out of pocket $425/month
I think it is a pretty solid deal. got it from a leasing company i have used in the past. no dealer could even come close...i gave them the chance. what do you guys think?
I am finding it incredibly hard to locate any 2009 Avant Prestige models. I did find one, which is exactly what we want in Meteor Gray, although is also has the S-line extras we don't really need. I will be financing it, and the price I am being quoted is $41,627 at 5.49% APR for 60 months with $10,000 down, for a total of $672/mo including all taxes and fees, or $44,127 at 2.9% APR for 60 months with $10,000 down, for a total of $678/mo including fees and taxes. The MSRP for this package is $46,450, the invoice is $43,256, and the TMV is $41,534. I have a feeling it would be much easier to negotiate on a more common Premium or Premium Plus model, but my wife really would like the Prestige model if we can get it at a decent price.
Awesome time to be getting one of these cars. Just got my black/black 2.0t quattro(no other options) for 28,500+TTL= about 31,100. LOVING it, btw... much better than my IS 250(even though the IS came fully loaded)...
New to the board....I'm considering leasing an 09 A4, it'll be my first Audi..and was wondering whether anyone has any experience with the PDX area dealership? Thanks..
Hi - I am new to the board and had a question to ask everybody. I have a standing offer with a dealer here in Chicago, IL for a new Audi A4 2.0 Quattro with Premium Plus and Navigation. The offer is to buy at 2.9% financing. Dealer offer is: $37,990 Dealer Invoice: $37,604
I want to negotiate closer to the TMV price of $36,114, do you think this is possible? And do you think the price I received is too much, granted I am looking for an A4 that is black on black with navi and premium plus and this dealership out of the 3 I have gone to was the only one to have the car.
1) Tell your dealer that you want to negotiate the price you're willing to pay over the invoice...maybe $500...without considering any marketing incentive money. This price over invoice should be the same for the 09 or 10 models.
2) try to refuse to pay the "dealer administrative fee"...the price you negotiated is the price you're willing to pay over invoice. Doesn't matter if it's preprinted on the form....tell them that your bottom line before taxes, title and registration is the price you negotatiated in step 1.
3) Then discuss how much marketing incentive money there is and deduct it from the dea you just negotiatedl.
By doing it this way you don't let them to blow smoke by using the marketing incentive to let you think that you're getting a good discount.
Just got my 2009 Audi A4 Quattro 2.0T Auto Meteor Gray with Premium Plus, Chrome Exhaust Tips and All Weather Floor Mats and Trunk Liner. $33790 + TTL w/ Audi Care included.
I have an offer for the A4 Avant Premium Plus in black for $35,350 plus tax and tags. What do you think? Also can the ipod adapter be installed by the dealership? I have another offer for a premium for $34K even but I really would like the ipod adapter. Thanks.
Spent six plus hours at the dealership, but well worth it. I'm too tired to go grab the papers, but here's the skinny:
Car: 2009 White A4 2.0T Quattro Packages/Options: Premium Plus Package, Navigation package, Exhaust Tips, Audi Care Qualified for: Audi Loyalty Incentive (-1500), Clunkers (-4500) Cash Price OTD (after discounts applied): 33,800
There was a clerical error where the dealership double-discounted the clunker. Though the signed contract says 30,040.00 (and is currently all I paid on the check), I do feel somewhat bad to not call myself out, considering their great service and effort to meet my budget. I will likely credit them back the missing balance, and hope for some good karma. A free car cover or MMI cable wouldn't hurt either. :P
For those still hunting for good '09 deals, I suggest moving quick. I had a hellish time finding inventory with the colors/options I wanted. Can anyone assess if I did a good job? It's my first new car, I hope I did well.
Invoice on your car was about $38400 (automatic) including audi care. I believe there is $2500 in marketing money, $1500 loyalty incentive and $4500 clunker money....for a total of $8500 off the price.
My local dealer offered to sell me a 2009 A4 for $800 over cost and that's with no bargaining on my part.
So....$38400+800 profit = $39,200 less all the incentive money puts me at $30,700 for your car. There's probably some administrative fee so I'll add in another $300 bringing it to $31000 plus tax.
but I don't have all the facts (manual/auto, accurate admin fee, etc. Adjust my calcs for your situation and then you'll know if you got a good deal or not.
Well, I assumed that the marketing money was already built into Edmund's TMV (Invoice 37,713 - TMV 35,549 = ~2200, I figured $300 profit was okay at the time). I did some legwork and was told that Audi doesn't really have a dealer holdback, so I also assumed the profit margin was a bit smaller than others already. I'm after a good deal, I have no qualms about letting someone make a little money for helping me out.
Out of curiosity, where are you located, and what specific car was being offered? At 31K + 11% ttl, your deal would put me at 34,410, just about in line with what I got. My A4 is an automatic, and according to Edmunds, a 6-speed quattro does not have the 2500 marketing support (I would have loved the 6-speed, but to pay ~2000 more seemed a bit ridiculous).
Thanks for the heads up, I definitely referred to this thread while working out my price. It took me forever to find a dealer who would entertain the Edmunds TMV ("their numbers are inaccurate" :confuse: ), hence the six hour ordeal.
How much is marketing money for this model/combo? The posts here seem to mention $2500, but Edmunds says $2000. According to Edmunds, invoice is $33375, and TMV is $31647, which is more in line with $2000, i.e. about $300 profit. Thanks.
By the way, this is a 2009. Also, is the promotion of AFS paying for 2 months still on? Thanks a lot.
I would go by whatever Edmunds has listed for your particular model/combo. From my experience, they are very accurate about the incentives, the actual TMV not so much. I shopped around the trims, and noticed some slight variations in incentives as well.
I did not finance, so I cannot offer any insight on AFS promotions.
At TMV minus the marketing support, sounds like you're ~100 off. If it were me and I felt they already made enough, I'd try to get them to throw in something small, like an accessory. When I tried pushing below the TMV, they pretty much stonewalled the conversation and walked away from the table for a while. When I said "just scratch off the exhaust tips," the salesman came back and looked willing to deal.
I negotiated a ton with area dealers and their inventory. i couldnt find the exact specs i originally wanted so i compared dealer inventory to other dealer inventory and bargained from there. This particular dealer gave me a deal i couldn't refuse. No one else came close
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Does anyone know what is the last date of the AFS payments? I know that the Audi summer even ends July 6, 2009 but one of the dealers I talked to said that the AFS ends June 30 and the apr's end on July 6. Any info?
~K
I want to warn you that the dealer tried to give me the loan 1% higher (2.9%) than what AFS is offering. I noticed that (at that point all the number start to look the same) and pointed it out to him. He said that's what Audi is offering. When I said that I know about AFS offers right now and made some noise, he said that he will put in 1.9%. After that I got the deal done. Be alert guys!
Loving every minute in the new car! I felt that it was a good deal. Any comments?
~k
As I repeatedly told my wife, getting the right car was more important than getting a huge discount. We keep our cars for 10-15 years, so saving a few thousand bucks isn't the most important part of the deal. We are ecstatic over our (her) new A4 Quattro. Made us wish the 8 hour drive to the wine country took even longer, and the dogs had tons of room in back with the rear seats folded down.
(Funny, but little things, like a huge rear seat pass-through make a more significant difference in our lives than do more obvious things like two-zone climate control or a back-up camera.) Anyway, I'm glad we spent a long time looking for the car that she is going to love for years and years. She has already said that she'd be ready to give her car to me if we had bought the Acura TL or the Lexis i300. It might be a while before she offers this car to me.)
I was loving the transmission on the way here. On the highway, it shifts smoothly with no attention needed. On the mountain roads, the Tiptronic makes it as fun to drive as a sports car.
The only problem is the smoothness/180mph-speedometer combination. A couple of times I thought that all surrounding traffic was going slow only to look down and realize that we were going 90. I'm going to have to do some research on speeding tickets and see when it's worthwhile to risk it.
Have fun with your new car!
~K
Thank you. I thought you got the sports package with it too? I have been reading so many posts
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As I said before, it's nice to get a good deal, but the Audi has unexpectedly paid off in compliments from friends. I can't count the number of people we know who have come up to us and said, cars are my life and this is a -really- nice car.
So, more power to you if you can save another $500, but more important to do what you want before you get hit by a bus.
Anyway, this whole experience left me wondering. If Edmund's TMV Pricing isn't the final word, what's the best strategy for buyers? Does it all boil down to endlessly shopping the deal? I'm due for a new car myself and if I can't figure out the "best" way to buy, I'll just never pull the trigger.
AJAX, ON, July 2 /CNW/ - Audi Canada achieves best first half ever:
- 1106 units represent best June in Audi Canada history
- 52% ahead of June '08 sales
- Year to date sales up by 17%
Audi Canada today reported that 1106 units were registered for the month of June. The leading models in terms of sales were the A4 and A4 Avants, the all-new Audi Q5, the Audi Q7 and the A3.
Other stats about June's numbers (all #s compared to June 2008; Source: CBC.ca, Thursday, July 2, 2009 | 5:22 PM ET):
- Volkswagen sales were the highest in nine years, up 15.8%
- Hyundai Auto Canada Corp. up 26 %
- Kia Canada sales up 37.9 %
- Nissan (incl. Infiniti) up 3.5%
- Honda sales down 20 %
- Toyota down 17% (incl. Lexus)
- Chrysler down "more than 50 %"
- Ford cars down, but truck sales surging 36 %
- GM's car sales down almost 40 per cent, and truck sales down 20 %
My advice is shop around at several dealers and also look online. That would give you a number
~K
As far as service, unfortunately I know how this is already. I had a problem already. They have fixed my car and had it back to me in a matter of days each time it was in the shop. They paid for my rental car (a Mercedes or better each time) and have detailed my car for free. They were not as accomodating until I had to lay into them for various reasons- 1) some punk working there nearly ran me over in my car, 2) they just cleared the fault and did no work 2 times ago which required me to come back this last time. I'm hoping that the problem is fixed now, though, and I don't have to keep running in there every couple of weeks.
My new bf is a mechanic, though, so I think that by him calling in as well having self diagnosed the problem, that made them think about how they are going to treat my car. They did keep it for a few days to take their time with it and they said it was with a senior technician, who has 20+ years in the business. So I hope that the repair stays fixed.
Ibis white color 2009 A4 quattro 4 dr Sedan ( premium pkg + ( options : Bluetooth, Heated Seats, Ipod connectivity, 6 CD changer,wood trim) .. The dealer is willing to sell at TMV cost which is about $31,700 , TTL is another 3k
Don't forget that the amount that you pay may differ from what other people are getting because of competition in your area. People in southern CA or NY city have lots of Audi dealerships near by and get better deals than those who's dealership is a few hours drive.
That said, I did another TMV as of 2 minutes ago and guess what? Avant + Premium Package + Metallic paint and a few other small options (same configuration as of 5/21) is now $35,250! That's less than 2 months ago and now it looks like I paid $750 OVER TMV rather than $1,600 under. If I said I could get the car for $1,500 under TMV TODAY, that would indeed be an impressive deal and would price the car at $33,750. Time should be factored into your research since TMV moves around (and by quite a bit as of lately).
So could I have done better? I dunno. I also got $1,000 cash back (after the $36,000) and my first two payments paid for. Did others get similar deals? TMV won't show that.
Don't try and read too much into these things...you'll just go crazy saying "what if?" Stop looking at these forums and enjoy the car...
2009 A4 Quattro 2.0 TFSI Premium w/ heated seats
Automatic
Quartz Gray, Black interior
36 months
12K miles
$1200 out of pocket
$425/month
I think it is a pretty solid deal. got it from a leasing company i have used in the past. no dealer could even come close...i gave them the chance. what do you guys think?
What was the leasing company you used?
and i will give you the details.
Thoughts?
Thanks!
Peter
Dealer offered a $33500+tax and Title.
MSRP shows $37875
Invoice Shows $35282
TMV shows $33788
Do you think this is a good offer.. Please help... Normally Does TMV prices includes the $2500 Dealer cash ?
Thanks
thank you
Dealer offer is: $37,990
Dealer Invoice: $37,604
I want to negotiate closer to the TMV price of $36,114, do you think this is possible? And do you think the price I received is too much, granted I am looking for an A4 that is black on black with navi and premium plus and this dealership out of the 3 I have gone to was the only one to have the car.
Thanks
1) Tell your dealer that you want to negotiate the price you're willing to pay over the invoice...maybe $500...without considering any marketing incentive money. This price over invoice should be the same for the 09 or 10 models.
2) try to refuse to pay the "dealer administrative fee"...the price you negotiated is the price you're willing to pay over invoice. Doesn't matter if it's preprinted on the form....tell them that your bottom line before taxes, title and registration is the price you negotatiated in step 1.
3) Then discuss how much marketing incentive money there is and deduct it from the dea you just negotiatedl.
By doing it this way you don't let them to blow smoke by using the marketing incentive to let you think that you're getting a good discount.
Car: 2009 White A4 2.0T Quattro
Packages/Options: Premium Plus Package, Navigation package, Exhaust Tips, Audi Care
Qualified for: Audi Loyalty Incentive (-1500), Clunkers (-4500)
Cash Price OTD (after discounts applied): 33,800
There was a clerical error where the dealership double-discounted the clunker. Though the signed contract says 30,040.00 (and is currently all I paid on the check), I do feel somewhat bad to not call myself out, considering their great service and effort to meet my budget. I will likely credit them back the missing balance, and hope for some good karma. A free car cover or MMI cable wouldn't hurt either. :P
For those still hunting for good '09 deals, I suggest moving quick. I had a hellish time finding inventory with the colors/options I wanted. Can anyone assess if I did a good job? It's my first new car, I hope I did well.
My local dealer offered to sell me a 2009 A4 for $800 over cost and that's with no bargaining on my part.
So....$38400+800 profit = $39,200 less all the incentive money puts me at $30,700 for your car. There's probably some administrative fee so I'll add in another $300 bringing it to $31000 plus tax.
but I don't have all the facts (manual/auto, accurate admin fee, etc. Adjust my calcs for your situation and then you'll know if you got a good deal or not.
Next time, ask here FIRST....
Out of curiosity, where are you located, and what specific car was being offered? At 31K + 11% ttl, your deal would put me at 34,410, just about in line with what I got. My A4 is an automatic, and according to Edmunds, a 6-speed quattro does not have the 2500 marketing support (I would have loved the 6-speed, but to pay ~2000 more seemed a bit ridiculous).
Thanks for the heads up, I definitely referred to this thread while working out my price. It took me forever to find a dealer who would entertain the Edmunds TMV ("their numbers are inaccurate" :confuse: ), hence the six hour ordeal.
By the way, this is a 2009. Also, is the promotion of AFS paying for 2 months still on? Thanks a lot.
I did not have any trade in's or loyalty rebate. Just the $2500 marketing support.
MSRP was $37,875
$30,737 + TTL
im in the philadelphia region.
I did not finance, so I cannot offer any insight on AFS promotions.