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to drive. I've already added 400 miles in 2 weeks, it's so fun.
And Chicago is getting 6-10" snow today, and already I notice
the AWD is performing very well. I am seeing several other
posters also receive prices around $34k or so (without
rosewood), so it's a great time to buy!
I bought the car in Michigan, and when I started driving it around here in Chicago, I noticed that the compass was slightly off. I read the manual, and it said that there may be a discrepancy because true north is different than magnetic north. There is a map in the manual that divides the US into several zones, similar to time zones. When you start the engine, press the button below the compass for 5 sec. A number will appear - this is the zone #. Look in the map for your zone #, and press the button as many times more to get the zone you live in. It's pretty simple, but you do need to look at the map in the manual.
good luck!
Dieter
Driving my G35, here is what I've discovered:
1. Engine is very audible, particularly at higher RPMs. But for me, I find this a a rush, particularly when passing someone or gunning it to make the light.
2. Tire/traction noise is also noticeable. For instance, in the rain or snow you can hear the tires against the wet pavement. Again however, I find this a good thing. It keeps me conscious of the road conditions.
Other than that, very little outside interference in the cabin.
Be careful going through crunchy ice boulders/ plow remnants, though. The old "ramming speed" approach will not bode well for air dams and splash guards. The RS-A's were fine in the snow, also.
The engine note is quite an agreeable snarl on full-throttle acceleration (finally ended break-in period!).
I am now a proud owner of a white 2003 G35 sedan 6MT with premium and sport packages. The in service date of the car was 8/2003 and it had 15,070 miles on it. It is in immaculate condition. The asking price was $26,900 and I got it for $25,590...they then rolled in the negative equity (approx. $2800) from my Volvo CC that died on me earlier that day...aside from the negative equity, how was my deal?
You are correct about the air dams etc. on AWD vehicles. Ground clearance will always be something to worry about unless you are driving a 4X4 truck. I'm still also very carefully while parking by first judging the height of the curb, then I either pull up over it or stay a distance away. I'm still having trouble judging where the front of my car actually is without having to get out of the vehicle, which sometimes makes my car stick out more than it should. Need more practice I guess. Enjoy the snow.
Dieter
I found out (the hard way) about splash/mud guards and automatic car washes. If the car wash won't make good on replacement, Infiniti quoted $49.95 for a pair. Live and learn. The car wash type where the car stays still and the apparatus moves worked well, though.
I was not aware of the AWD engaging without the "Snow Mode" switched on. The dealer had stated that without it switched on, it only distributed power to the front when cornering by detecting the drop in vehicle speed. More insight into how the AWD functions with the "Snow Mode" off would be appreciated. Perhaps the Snow Mode should be reserved when actually driving on several inches of fresh snow rather than slushy conditions.
Upon acceleration from a standstill (in all conditions), torque is distributed automatically, regardless of traction, in a ratio of 25% front and 75% rear. After a certain speed (I don't know what speed) is reached, 100% of the torque goes to the rear wheels.
As needs be, torque may be divided up to 25% front and 75%rear on a continual basis.
In the Snow mode, torque is distributed 50:50, until the car reaches a speed of 12 mph, whereupon normal operation ensues.
This leads me to conclude (perhaps erroneously)that it may be impossible to induce wheelspin and tail sliding cornering in dry conditions, even with the VDC off, as the traction control is always on and the power will be distributed to the front wheels when rear slippage is detected. I am not yet ready to test this theory, as the car cost me 33K, and due to the high cost of fuel, tires, repairs, and insurance, I have vowed to drive more like a grownup :-)
I too hear a brief sound after my first start up and then forward driving/acceleration. In my case it happens at 12 MPH. It sounds like it may be magnets engaging or disengaging, and I assume it involves the AWD systems distribution of power. What puzzles me is that I only hear it when I drive the car forward for the first time in any given day.
Dieter
So I picked up a set of Continental ContiExtremeContact from Tire Rack. I ordered 245/40 on the fronts since they didn't have the OEM size of 225/45, but this results in a diameter/speedo error of only about one percent, which is tolerable. The whole package, shipped and then expertly mounted and balanced at a local shop, ran about $800.
After a 1000-mile jaunt up to Boston over the holidays (which included a 12-inch snowstorm), I can report they've performed admirably. In dry and wet conditions alike, they appear to hold on as well as the Pilots, and exhibit the same forgiving and gradual behavior when losing grip. Actually, they may have given some traction up to the Pilots, but since the fronts are now wider by 20mm, the additional rubber widens the contact patch and reduces understeer as well. I haven't driven through standing water, but I hope they will resist aquaplanning as well as the Michelins.
As for the snow, well, there's no comparison. The Pilots were astonishingly bad, like driving on oil-slicked ice, continuously confounding the ABS, traction, and VDC systems. The Conti's, while certainly no dedicated snow/ice tires, got me through the white stuff much more ably.
And, to my surprise, road noise doesn't seem to be any worse (which I had feared). Overall, I recommend the Conti's highly.
I also have a 05 G35x AWD and the snow mode is to only be engaged in heavy snow, and should automatically shut off at around 12 - 15 mph.
That being said, this is still an AWD vehicle, and the electromagnetic clutch can and will distribute power to the front wheels if it detects a slip or loss of traction in the rear wheels.
When the AWD kicks in, you will see a light that says "slip" flashing on the dash. This is indicating that your rear is slipping and that power is being distributed. Unless you see this flash, your car should still be in RWD.
As for it engaging only in and out of turns, that is false. Since I've purchased my vehicle I've had it engaged several times on straight-aways (usually because I try gunning it through the slush).
My final two candidates for my new car were the G35X and Acura TL, with the TL ultimately emptying my wallet!
I did find the TL quieter in all respects than the G. The G engine noise, while louder, was qutie a lovely sound, though! The G had significant (to me, that is) wind and, to a lesser extent, road noise. A gentleman I work with bought an '04 G35X and was surprised at the wind noise at higher speeds (I guess his test drives were a bit tame!). But he still loves the car, as I'm sure I would have had I bought it.
Ultimately, the interior/exterior styling, smoother ride and less road/wind noise won out over the better handling of the G35X for me.
I know what you mean about the new 5er. I'm sure it's a great drive, but one does have to look at it (both interior and exterior) every day. I'm sure the committee that designed it must be pleased (it couldn't have just been Bangle, too many disparate exterior design elements to come from just one person...).
'21 Dark Blue/Black Audi A7 PHEV (mine); '22 White/Beige BMW X3 (hers); '20 Estoril Blue/Oyster BMW M240xi 'Vert (Ours, read: hers in 'vert weather; mine during Nor'easters...)
To be honest, most shifters today are very good -- very few remain rubbery and vague anymore, at least in anything above the basic transportation class. The 6-speed MT on the Golf I drove last June in the Benelux countries was superb, MUCH better than the MT 2000 SLK, 2001 C-Class coupe, Passat Wagon, (and Espace Van!) I drove in Germany, Austria and Switzerland a few years ago. So don't worry about the MT on the G35!
If I decide to spend the extra G's, I will be torn between the auto TL and the 6MT G. For me it will come down to the decision of how sporting I want my ride to be, and if I go for sport, I'll get the G for RWD, better balance,handling, power and expect a slightly rougher edge. If I go "more civilized", I would probably go for an AT TL as you did. Tough decisions yet to be made but, how can you go wrong with these three great automobiles?
As you correctly noted above, I chose the attributes that meant most to me, which makes the TL the best car in the world. For me. It just doesn't matter what the mags or message board gurus say. I value FWD for it's winter traction more than RWD for it's superior hadling. A coworker has an IS300 w/all-season tires. He is having a miserable winter so far. As he's used the term, " a couple of near-death experiences" I've encouraged him to buy a set of snows! But, winter will be over in 3 or 4 moths, say he...
I drove sticks most of my life. In fact, when I got married (since I had a company car), I taught the evil wife to drive a standard, bought her a Nissan Sentra SE-R and drove it as often as I could. When we were expecting our first, I upgraded her to a Saab 900 five speed (always been somewhat of a Saab Guy and watned to avoid minivan or SUV). Finally, when expecting child #2, she said she was tired of shifting, so I bought her the car all women seem to want, Lexus RX300. I commuted for a month in the 5 speed Saab to see what it would be like to commute/shift. It was a pain, so after changing careers (goodbye company car), I bought the M and now the AT TL. Good for me.
What a wonderful choice of fun, well built, reliable cars we have to choose from, huh? Not a bad choice in the bunch, keep us advised.
'21 Dark Blue/Black Audi A7 PHEV (mine); '22 White/Beige BMW X3 (hers); '20 Estoril Blue/Oyster BMW M240xi 'Vert (Ours, read: hers in 'vert weather; mine during Nor'easters...)
See the excellent article (for both options) at http://portableaudio.engadget.com/entry/7281864763241621/.
Any body has any advice, comments etc..
I'm trying to decide among these cars. Any help will be appreciated. Below are my thoughts so far (after test driving all three at least twice). Any other cards I should consider?
All three I'm only considering only in manual transmission.
(1) I really like the power and tight suspension of the G35, but dislike it's fit and finish (looks cheap, buttons and knobs are a little tacky, and the headliner is the same cheap one as the one on my Grand Am rental). Also, the stereo isn't good either, I'm not impressed with the "Bose" system, and I'm not sure if I could easily replace it without the interior looking even worse, speakers fitting poorly or some other problem. When you turn it up (and I don't mean so that you can't hear people talk) it starts to sound bad (noticeable distortion) quickly.
(2) The Audi 3.0 Quatro seems like a nice compromise. I give up a significant bit of power and some of the tight suspension (even on the sports package), but the fit and finish is the best of the three, the stereo is really good, and I gain the all-wheel drive. It feels solid, it sounds good, it drives really well, and I'd feel really safe in it. I'm upset it doesn't have a real NAV system yet.
(3) BMW 330 So far I've only test driven the xi (see note below). I expected to be impressed and I was really disappointed (as compared to the Infinity). The BMI is also pricey, but maybe I'll decide it's worth it. I don't want to actually pay much over $35k (after dealing), but then the i will be cheaper than the xi anyway, if I decide to go with it. Still, it appears they're becoming hard to find (they've stopped making them and the next ones come out May-July). I'm still not sure why people say that the 330 ride (well, I'm actually still thinking of the xi ride, since I haven't driven an i yet) is better than the G35 because it seems softer. It definitely rocks more on turns and if you just jerk the car to the left and right quickly. The steering also isn't as tight as the G35. I wonder if people just like a softer ride than I do. It would be helpful to hear someone even just say, "Yeah, you seem to like a tighter ride than I do. I like the luxuary ride v. sports ride balance of the 330, but I realize I don't feel the road as much as in a G35." I like to feel the road because it gives me confidence I know just how the car is reacting to the road. I also like good feedback in the steering wheel. I also like a little more power than the 330 has.
One further complication--NAV:
I also would really like a factory navagation system. Audi won't have one until May (I'd consider waiting, but my last car was totalled--not my fault--and I don't know of a good short-term solution to just renting a car each week. Anyone know of a good way to rent a car for 5 months?).
I haven't seen BMW's NAV system yet, but I fear that will make it even harder to find a 330.
Infinity already has a reasonably nice NAV system.
(Note: I really liked the Acura TL's NAV system, but the ride is way too soft for my taste.)
My dream would be the G35 engine and feel with Audi fit and finish with the Acura NAV system.
I wondered if there might be a difference between the xi and i on handling. The Audi salesman I spoke with seemed very knowledgeable and was willing to discuss my understanding of the 330xi versus the G35 (and didn't even seem to mind we weren't talking about the Audi and that I might have written it off). He said he thought the xi might drive differently and suggested I drive an i. When I mentioned it to the BMW dealer over the phone, he told me point blank that I was wrong, that he knows the cars very well and they drive exactly the same. I'll have to drive one.
My last car was also a VW Passat V6. I loved it,
but missed having more power. It was a nice combo of great road feel,
excellent interior, and good power. I wish they made it with a
tighter suspension (so it didn't rock so much on turns) and a more powerful engine (or even just turbo).
Thanks for your advice,
Rick
Thanks.
Dieter
The question I would have (living in northern Indiana's snow belt) is: would the G35 with all season tires and TCS be any worse than a FWD car with all season tires w/o TCS?
All of the above doesn't mean that the G35 isn't adequate in the snow with AS tires. I just don't understand why one would get the sports pkg and then reduce the handling potential by putting on lesser performance tires. If you are going to go for the sports pkg, commit yourself to winter tires so you can have the best traction in every season.
Indydriver is partially correct, in that thinner tires are better, but front-wheel drive is better only when first accelerating out of the deep stuff. From that instant on, the momentum shifts backwards and places increasingly greater pressure on the rear tires (and hence increasingly lesser pressure on the front tires). When making emergency maneuvers (braking and turning), front-wheel drive won't make a difference, whereas traction control and stability control certainly can help a great deal.
Bottom line: With my new AS tires (and the array of electronic assistants), my G35 is overall about as sure-footed as my wife's front-wheel drive Altima (also with good AS tires, but without traction/ABS/stability). They're both merely OK in the snow (relative to my car with the OEM summer tires, which were a nightmare). But I would take an '86 Camaro with Blizzaks all-around over a Range Rover with summer-only tires any snowstorm.
It looks like I'll have to change between the summer and winter tires. That's twice a year, summer to winter and back from winter to summer.
Here's my other quesiton. Given the fact that the tires need to be changed by professionals and it will cost money everytime, does it make sense to buy the wheels as well and mount the winter tires on it by a proffessional and then change the whole unit by myself at home twice a year.
Any comments and suggestions??
Absolutely.
I'm about to buy a G35 sedan, (going to have to check out the ride on the 6mt when they come in to see if I go with auto or manual), but I was expecting about 400 miles out of a tank, which now doesn't seem realistic after looking around.
Thanks