Volvo XC90 SUV

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  • becky2010becky2010 Member Posts: 8
    I just got my 2.5, but I also thought it was a really hard decision. I'm ultimately very happy I got it though, it's great. And hopefully the servicing won't set you back too much. I have not had any problems with my stereo, and I've found the car very flexible with car seats (Britax roundabout, Graco Booster, and an infant seat). For what it's worth, the other car I had narrowed my choices down to was the Honda Pilot, which got excellent safety ratings, is extremely spacious, and was alot less $$$. You might want to take a look.
  • gmark2000gmark2000 Member Posts: 62
    Well folks, I finally got around to meeting with my local dealer and putting in my order. (I had a C$2000 deposit since May.)

    I ordered a silver/graphite Seven seater T6 with Touring Package (Dolby II, 18" Atlantis, wood steering wheel), Bi-Xenons, and SUBWOOFER.

    Add in C$1000 in FREE genuine Volvo accessories too (courtesy Volvo Canada) and we're happy as can be.

    I'll get my baby in April. We'll then add some aftermarket window tints. Woo hoo!!
  • sharonsharon Member Posts: 76
    Where are they putting the subwoofer in the Canadian seven-seaters?
  • dos511dos511 Member Posts: 8
    I am also interested in the prospects of a 6 spd (or even a 5 spd) in the T6. I am not in any hurry to get my vehicle and can wait as long as a year - if it's worth the wait. I am also waiting on a dealer answer regarding the availability of the Volvo On Call Plus option in the T6 2004 XC90. I was astonished that Volvo didn't offer this very appealing safety feature with the premier of the XC90. Has anyone else inquired about this option? This is something I want - that hopefully I won't ever have to use.

    If there is no possibility of a 5 or 6 spd auto trans in the T6 in the next 2 years, then I am thinking of going with the 2.5 instead . . . if so, then I was wondering if anyone had actually purchased a 2.5 with 18 inch wheels? (I think this has been mentioned in previous posts as a possibility)
  • crikeycrikey Member Posts: 1,041
    Where are they putting the subwoofer in the Canadian seven-seaters?

    Sharon, I think that 7-seating is standard fare in Canadian XC90s (Yet another extra charge for us in the U.S.). So, if gmark2000 was able to option a subwoofer, the answer would be yes.

    The subwoofer seems to be a $500 option in Canada and 3rd Row A/C (probably not a necessity due to short summers) is not standard, it's a $600 option.

    gmark2000, congratulations. I'm sure that a lot of people would be interested as to where the subwoofer is mounted with the 7 seats.
  • sharonsharon Member Posts: 76
    I said: Where are they putting the subwoofer in the Canadian seven-seaters?

    Crikey said Sharon, I think that 7-seating is standard fare in Canadian XC90s (Yet another extra charge for us in the U.S.). So, if gmark2000 was able to option a subwoofer, the answer would be yes.

    The answer may be yes, but it is an answer to a question I did not ask. I never questioned if he could get it; I simply want to know WHERE they are putting the subwoofer in the Canadian seven-seaters. If there is a spot, possibly I can purchase the subwoofer and get my dealer to install it.
  • gmark2000gmark2000 Member Posts: 62
    According to my salesperson, the OEM Volvo Subwoofer will be located in the rear corner on the left hand side (I took his word for it.) It'd be right next to the left taillight (on the inside of course.)

    The 3rd row air conditioner option would be located in the same place.

    It will cost me C$500 extra for this option which is about US$315.

    If there's any indicator with other high-end luxury cars, I've heard they are cheaper here in Canada with the exchange rate and better packages/standard features. There's actually many vehicles (like the Mini) that are bought in Canada to be exported South.
  • masuzamasuza Member Posts: 4
    I have also had 2nd thoughts about the XC90 lately due to the cost, availability, and the competition. In regards to the cost, there seems to be a considerable drop-off in workmanship, safety and luxury items when I look at vehicles in the price range just below the XC90(Explorer, Durango,Envoy/Trailblazer, etc). By the time I started add options to these the price crept close enough to the XC90 to justify buying it. I have not followed the SUV market long enough to know if the availability of the XC90 parallels the availability of other vehicles in it's class when they were first introduced. The local BMW and Lexus dealer are loaded with X5's and RX300's. I have not been to the Acura dealer. I am in no hurry to buy right now, and I intend to wait until VW releases the Toureg and Mitsubishi comes out with the Endevour. Both are recieving great early reviews and I will consider them. I understand the the VW is built on the same platform as the Cayenne, and the Endevour on a sedan class platform, as is the XC90. Both are due out this spring with the VW in the same price range(3-4 engine options)as the XC90, and the Mitsubishi just below it. All said, I still like XC90 and may end up buying it. However, I sure would like to see some out on the road.
  • volvomaxvolvomax Member Posts: 5,238
    Volvo is planning on replacing the current family of engines with more compact inline units.
    however, this will probably not happen for at least a couple of years.This should allow for 5speed auto gearboxes in the XC90 T6.
    A 6 speed manual is currently being tested for the FWD 2.5T.
    No word on when it will be available
    Volvo is working with Motorola on a next generation system od hardware and software,specifically for the XC90.
    This should appear within a year or so.
  • sharonsharon Member Posts: 76
  • dos511dos511 Member Posts: 8
    Thank you for the information on the transmissions and the On Call Plus option for the XC90. Please keep us posted with any updates on the above as they are high on my decision criteria on whether and when to buy.
  • crikeycrikey Member Posts: 1,041
    I apologize, I misread your question.
  • crikeycrikey Member Posts: 1,041
    If there's any indicator with other high-end luxury cars, I've heard they are cheaper here in Canada with the exchange rate and better packages/standard features. There's actually many vehicles (like the Mini) that are bought in Canada to be exported South.

    I did this a while back when I moved to the U.S. The concern here is of warranty. Some manufacturers, like Honda/Acura, will honor the Canadian warranty if they are provided documentation that the individual importing the car is migrating to the U.S. However, if the individual just crossed the border and bought an Acura to be imported into the U.S., I think that the CDN warranty is not honored in the U.S. This is still a gray area for me since CDN roadside assistance covers the U.S. Quite a few MDX buyers tried to do this when the MDX first came out.

    But this is on a manufacturer-to-manufacturer basis, it could be well different for Minis. I do know that Nissan recently implemented the same policy since U.S. dealers were losing so much sales to Canadian dealers.

    Now, if Volvo would honor the Canadian warranty, it might make financial sense to go up north and buy the XC90 in Canada and then, import into the U.S.
  • crikeycrikey Member Posts: 1,041
    Now, if Canadian XC90s can get OEM Volvo subwoofers on 7-seaters, I wonder why it's deleted on U.S.-spec XC90s with 7-seats. Would the CDN subwoofer be smaller in size than the US subwoofer? Hmmm...
  • sharonsharon Member Posts: 76
    Crikey: No apology necessary!

    Now, if Canadian XC90s can get OEM Volvo subwoofers on 7-seaters, I wonder why it's deleted on U.S.-spec XC90s with 7-seats. Would the CDN subwoofer be smaller in size than the US subwoofer? Hmmm...

    I've been wondering the same thing. I have to stop by my dealer today or tomorrow to pick up my plates (finally!). I'm going to see what they have to say about it. I'm hoping they will have a car on the lot with the subwoofer, so I can see how big it is. Don't get me wrong, the stereo is great without it--I'm just really curious how it can be available in one country but not the other.

    I remember when we bought my 850 station wagon. I wanted the turbo with the manual transmission, but was told it wasn't available here--but it was available in Canada. Had to settle for the "regular" engine so that I could have the manual transmission. Canadians get all the good stuff ;-)

    Sharon
  • i_yellowi_yellow Member Posts: 30
    We've had both rear doors fail to unlock and not openable from the outside on three occasions now. After re-locking and then unlocking again with either the button on the door or the remote, then they open again. I'm not sure I can repeat the issue on demand, it seems to happen randomly.

    I've seen mention of this a couple of times on this board, but no further discussion. I'd like to take a poll of how many other new owners are experiencing this and whether any have brought the car into the dealer over it yet? Any advice from volvomax? It occured to me that this could be a significant safety issue in the case of an accident if the rear doors suddenly won't open from the outside.
  • crikeycrikey Member Posts: 1,041
    I may have missed it, but what did you get, a T6 or 2.5T? Do you have the Premium Dolby II Stereo? Congratulations, BTW.
  • billiam70billiam70 Member Posts: 54
    I think it's because the 7 seat option in the US comes with the 3rd row AC unit, in Canada the 3rd row AC is an option. Where the AC unit for the 3rd row is located is the same as where the subwoofer is placed. That's why it's not available with 7 seating in the US but it is in Canada. As long as the buyer does not opt for the 3rd row AC then they can get the subwoofer. But it's one or the other, not both.
  • gmark2000gmark2000 Member Posts: 62
    Yes, the 3rd row air conditioner is an option here in Canada (not because it's so cold here - we certainly get hot, humid summers in Toronto). Despite the spaciousness of the XC90 we couldn't justify getting 3rd row air conditioning over the subwoofer paired with the Dolby II system.

    For cooling, we figured we'd just aim the 2nd row 'B pillar' air vents backwards and blast the cool air that way.

    I didn't know it was automatically added with the 3rd row addition in the U.S. - not sure the logic for this.

    Anyway, we're happy that we'll be getting a T6 soon, PLUS the C$1000 in FREE accessories make it sweet! (I'm surprised you people aren't more jealous!)
  • billiam70billiam70 Member Posts: 54
    (I'm surprised you people aren't more jealous!)

    Believe me, we are. You Canadians always get the better car options!
  • sharonsharon Member Posts: 76
    I may have missed it, but what did you get, a T6 or 2.5T? Do you have the Premium Dolby II Stereo? Congratulations, BTW.

    Thanks! I have the 2.5T with versatility, climate, premium, dolby II and Nav. I picked it up New Year's Eve and have loved every minute of it since!

    This car replaces a 2000 ML320. I enjoyed the ML while I had it, but my husband hated it. He never once asked to take my car when running to the store... He's now asked many, many times to take "my" XC90 ;-)

    iyellow said: We've had both rear doors fail to unlock and not openable from the outside on three occasions now.

    The only "problem" I've had with my rear-door locks is when my children try to open the door while I'm unlocking it. The unlock process is a little slow off the draw. If they are pulling the handle out right when the door tries to unlock--that door will remained locked. Hitting unlock again doesn't unlock it. I have to lock all the doors again and then hit unlock again twice (which of course, in my children's impatience can cause another round of unlocking because they pulled too soon). It can be annoying and I'm going to mention it to my dealer at my 60-day check.
  • gmark2000gmark2000 Member Posts: 62
    Proposed Bush Tax Plan Triples Tax Loophole for Small Businesses

    http://www.caranddriver.com/xp/Caranddriver/dai/2003/january/2003- 0121_dai_suv.xml

    If this goes through, basically you could get an XC90 for free (even real estate agents, doctors and lawyers qualify)!
  • crikeycrikey Member Posts: 1,041
    Americans don't pay 15% sales tax.

    Oh yeah, there's also no tire tax, gas tax and A/C tax when buying a car. And US invoice prices of vehicles are available while CDN invoice prices are not. Well, they can be obtained but there's a fee to get the info. :)
  • billiam70billiam70 Member Posts: 54
    Volvomax, I was wondering if you could answer a question for me.

    What happens if I were to buy a car from a different state I live in? I live in Washington state but want to buy a car in NJ (for my parents) but it'll be registered to me. How does the sales tax work? Will I have to pay only NJ tax or my local tax? Thanks.
  • john_helenjohn_helen Member Posts: 10
    I have had the same issue with the right rear door. It is very infuriating and appears to have a mind of its own. It acts up badly when the child safety lock is engaged and almost not at all when it is not. My daughter is little enough that is O.K. for now, but I need to have the problem fixed. I plan on having it looked at when I bring it in for a 60 day check.
  • e350v10e350v10 Member Posts: 92
    As with any vehicle purchase, you pay tax at the DMV for your local state, county and city, according to the tax rates of your home address.
  • volvomaxvolvomax Member Posts: 5,238
    Most states are reciprical when it comes to taxes.
    in other words you pay the tax of the state you buy the car in and then register it in your home state.
    Some states are not in which case you pay the Tax of your home state.
    Some states like Arizona work both ways, if you physically take delivery of a car in AZ you pay AZ sales tax. If you have the car shipped directly to your home stae you don't pay AZ tax.
    Best bet is to contact the Motor Vehicle depts in Washington and NJ for more info. Also the dealers in Washington should be able to give you more info
  • mikesuvmikesuv Member Posts: 1
    And tell us what you think about it.

    http://www.canadiandriver.com/articles/jk2/03xc90.htm
  • rollierollie Member Posts: 337
    I found it to be not very insightful and full of useless drivel about whether the XC90 is a SUV or not (which is inane at best since the XC90 happens to have very respectable off-road capabilities but was not intended to be a Pikes Peak challenger).

    A find the following to be much more insightful:

    http://www.forbes.com/2002/08/19/0819feat.html

    There's 7 pages so you'll have to use the link at the bottom of each to make it the next. It's obviously a much longer and thorough review so many may not have the time to read it now but those who do will undoubtedly learn something new (particularly in the sidebar article links).

    Thanks.

    -rollie
  • gmark2000gmark2000 Member Posts: 62
    Found this information on another site:

    First of all, it’s completely legal to buy a car in Canada – new or used. The United States and Canada are considered one country under the North American Free Trade Agreement, so it’s not considered a foreign purchase and thus no duties and tariffs are applied. It will save you a ton of money, though. Why? First of all, the Canadian dollar is worth substantially less than the U.S. dollar right now. Also, Canadians don’t earn as much as Americans on average, so they have to charge less for vehicles. All that said, U.S. automakers are now trying all kinds of things to keep business here in the States. Honda, for example, has said it won’t honor warranties on cars bought in Canada. GM and Ford are attacking dealers who help people buy Canadian vehicles. So, dealerships in the States are not going to be as helpful with getting you a Canadian car. In addition, a vehicle bought in Canada must now have 70,000 miles on it when you title it in the U.S. to be eligible for warranty coverage.

    I'm not sure if the US Federal Trade Commission made this requirement or the automakers. My brother-in-law was telling me of a scheme that a friend of his is doing where he's selling his recently used luxury vehicles for a profit to Americans - and the cars are still much cheaper than in the U.S.

    I also read a snippet of a Chicago Tribune article where a certain minivan cost US$28K and the same one in Canada cost US$18K. That's a tremendous difference.

    BTW, the 7% Canadian Goods and Services Tax is fully refunded to Americans when the goods cross the border.
  • compcomp Member Posts: 43
    Be very careful about purchasing a vehicle for family members and titling it in your own name. In the event of an accident the other party can come after the owner of the car rather than the driver.
  • kellimarkkellimark Member Posts: 1
    I am very interested in the XC90, but want more expert opinions on safety and other issues. Can anyone tell me 1) if it is a safe vehicle, particularly since it is the first year? I have previously owned Volvo's and would be inclined to buy this one if assured of safety issues. 2) My choices currently are between the XC90 and the Mercedes C320 Wagon. Which do you consider the safest, and best vehicle for long term ownership.
    They are same price, and I think the Volvo could work better, but I don't want to deal with too many issues in "new vehicles". I have read the notes from others on the rear door problems. Thanks
  • adp3adp3 Member Posts: 446
    I was test driving an XC90 last week, and the passenger side rear door would not open from the outside. The salesman made some noise ablout the child lock being engaged, but that was not the case. The door was, simply, broken.

    I'm sure this wil be fixed soon. Volvo doesn't have a reputation for letting this stuff linger, or do they?
  • adp3adp3 Member Posts: 446
    I'm thinking of an XC90, and am wondering if any of you have taken yours off road. If so, what are your thoughts? I'm not looking at climbing Pike's Peak, but would like to be able to travel on dirt, Forest Service roads to fishing holes without major worries.
  • i_yellowi_yellow Member Posts: 30
    adp3,
    I had the exact same experience with a demo car's rear door lock being broken which I noticed while waiting for them to finish processing paperwork for my 2.5T purchase. I asked him about it and got a typical BS excuse about demo cars being "mistreated". That car wasn't on their lot more than two or three weeks!

    I personally think this has got to be a design flaw and/or assembly workmanship issue. Hopefully Volvo is aware of it, although I failed to get Volvomax to comment in reply to my post 1071. Earlier related posts include 960 and 968, FYI.
  • crikeycrikey Member Posts: 1,041
    BTW, the 7% Canadian Goods and Services Tax is fully refunded to Americans when the goods cross the border.

    I forgot to mention that.
  • sharonsharon Member Posts: 76
    I think it has something to do with the childlocks combined with the fact that if the car thinks it unlocked the door, it won't try to unlock (I know I said that badly). The two other posts that replied to you both mentioned using childlocks.

    I haven't experienced your issue (I don't use the childlock). But, like I said in a previous post, if the door handle is pulled out while you hit unlock, the door will not unlock and hitting unlock again does not reactive the unlock process. You have to lock and start again. So, maybe the childlock is not releasing the lock the way it should.

    I've been checking two other XC90 boards and haven't seen anyone else complain about this yet. If I were you, I would let your dealer know now. The earlier Volvo knows about it, the earlier it will get fixed (hopefully).
  • volvomaxvolvomax Member Posts: 5,238
    One thing to remember is that Canadian Spec cars are also worth less on trade in to US dealers.
    With Volvo you have to change the speedo and odo to comply with US law, this opens up TMU and salvage title troubles.
  • gmark2000gmark2000 Member Posts: 62
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    I'd love for these foglamps to be available on the North American accessory list for the 2004 model year. Wonder how much they'll cost?

    And then there's the MD player, how about an input for an iPod MP3 player?
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    Rally lights anyone?
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  • what2do1what2do1 Member Posts: 3
    Oh! Are you hitting on a familiar subject! I have 3 children - 9,7, and 4 years old - and I have tested and retested every possible vehicle for a great family car. I currently drive a Toyota Sienna minivan and am ready to step out of the minivan phase but I cannot say enough great things about owning a toyota. Placed an order mid-Nov. for a 2.5 XC-90 and have changed that to a T6 due to the better passing ability at 60mph+. Get the car in March or so. Here's what I have found:
    - tested the Toyota Sequoia, Honda Pilot, Acura MDX, and the Lexus GX.(husband owns an BMW X5)
    - the Volvo xc-90 was easy for my 9 yr. old to access the 3rd row (unlike the Sequoia) and it had more space to step back there (unlike the mdx and pilot). I worry that exiting the mdx or pilot a child could catch their shoe in the 4-5 inches of space and fall on their way out.
    -WATCH OUT for the mdx/pilot 2nd row middle seat! If you strap in your child you will see that the belt coming from the ceiling does NOT cross your child's shoulder and in a side impact will NOT hold your child in place!!!!
    - LExus GX was 5-6K more and the 3rd row was unsuitable for anyone over the age of 5yrs. and the back was deep enough for only 4-5 grocery bags. @nd row in GX had no cup holders! XC-90 had more room and 3rd row was definately safer and reasonable for my 9 yr. old. and 2nd row cup holders and booster are a bonus.
    - Still concerned about possible amount of service for 1st year vehicle but figure that I'll keep it thru the warranty period only or sell it if I get frustrated enough. I am willing to take that risk because literally it is the only vehicle I have found that is excellent (not just good) in safety, ultra smooth driving, seats 7, and is functional for city driving with 3 kids to and from school,grocery , etc.

    Good luck but I can tell you from someone who researched this to death -- the XC90 is the answer for moms with multiple small children (especially if you car pool) who need their car to work WITH them not against!
  • sharonsharon Member Posts: 76
    Placed an order mid-Nov. for a 2.5 XC-90 and have changed that to a T6 due to the better passing ability at 60mph+. Get the car in March or so.

    Funny, I did the opposite. I put my money down last april and ordered the T6. Once I drove both I changed my order to the 2.5T. I can tell you that the 2.5 has absolutely no problem passing above 60. I drive the NJ turnpike frequently and have no difficulties getting extra oomph to pass, even if I happen to be going 75 or 80 (love that turbo!). The car is very nimble.

    Congrats on your order; you'll love it.

    Sharon
  • ernest0ternest0t Member Posts: 29
    Sharon and other 2.5T drivers out there. I have a 2.5T ordered, and expect delivery in March. I agonized over whether to go with the 2.5T or T6, before making a decision. I will mainly be doing mixed city/highway driving with 2-4 passengers and little extra weight, however I do make occasional trips to the mountains (Appalachian). I have also inherited a pop-up camper which weighs around 2000 lbs. I'm wondering if any of you have tried the 2.5T on steep grades or for towing? If I had known that I'd end up with this camper, I would have probably gone with the 6 cylinder, now if I change my mind it will probably push my delivery date back another couple of months.
  • gmark2000gmark2000 Member Posts: 62
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    Provides really full bass reproduction at all volumes. One 8-inch sub-woofer with extra-long stroke and built-in 140 W amplifier for superb bass characteristics. Placed behind the load compartment’s left cover panel.

    Not in combination with third row AC in the seven-seater version.


    Pity you people with seven-seaters stuck with the 3rd row air conditioning.
  • lewis3lewis3 Member Posts: 25
    Earnst0t - I don't think you will be happy with the 2.5t if you are planning any mountain driving. I live in Colorado and took the 2.5t for a test drive and the car really struggled up the mountain. The car was adequate in the city. The recent Car and Driver reviewed the T6 and thought the power was lacking. They thought the "viability of the 2.5t was a question" because it would have so much less power than the T6. If you are going to by the Volvo you will want the T6.
  • sharonsharon Member Posts: 76
    Weelll, I drive in hilly areas, not mountainous and I've never towed. Gotta say that if I was looking to do that type of driving, I would go with the T6.

    It doesn't sound like you are looking for the 3rd row in your car. I know in my area, my dealer has a few 5 seaters available because everyone wants the 3rd row. Maybe if you check around, you'll find that you can get a 5-seat T6 quicker than you think.

    Sharon
  • sleepless2sleepless2 Member Posts: 28
    We probably all agonized over the choice of 2.5 or T6, so we can totally relate. Wholeheartedly agree with Sharon that there are no passing or merging problems with the 2.5T. There appear to be a couple of problems cropping up on the T6s as noted on the Swedespeed site. Exhaust whistle and a tranny noise between gears. Not having any problems at all with the 2.5T and the only change I would make if doing it over is the upgrade on the stereo. Without the dolby you can't adjust to 3 speaker or surround and with the radio on the sound quality is very ho-hum, IMHO. In fact I've adjusted the fader to the back to try to lose the tinny-ness that I hear. As they say hindsight is 20-20. Other than that, are other 2.5T owners in a similar "no real problems" position or are we just lucky?
  • pepcmacpepcmac Member Posts: 4
    I have a 2.5T and I too agonized over the T6 vs 2.5T decision. However, once I took delivery of it and started driving it all my fears were gone and I don't have an ounce of regret.

    It has plenty of power to get you going and I love the 5 speed geartronic. As I drove home from the dealer I was trying to drive slow, but if I wasn't going 80 or above- I felt like I was crawling. I got it up to 100 without even trying! And when I do push it it responds right away!

    I don't know how it will do going to the mountains, but I don't expect any problems. I'm sure it won't be the fastest thing going up the hill, but I know it will keep pace with the flow.
  • rkuehnrkuehn Member Posts: 120
    Just another bit of perspective... compare identically-equipped vehicles. You'll find that the T6 is really a no-cost option. Better engine, worse transmission. Its being marketed as the upmarket version, but obviously Volvo sees them as equivalent. Interesting.

    Personally I see the engine/transmission combinations as a wash, depending on one's unique needs of course. Be sure to consider the differences in steering feel, some have a strong preference one way or another.
  • a12a12 Member Posts: 14
    I've had my 2.5, 7 pass. for almost a month now. The only complaints I have are: 1. When pulling in and out of my driveway or garage or a parking space, if the wheel is turned all the way to either the left or the right, I hear a noise. Sounds like something is rubbing. Not sure if it's the tires being new (gripping the pavement), or something else. Anyone else notice this problem? I'll have the dealer check. 2. The Prem. Sound radio isn't that great. In my 2001 Audi A6Q, which I traded in for the XC90, I had the Bose stereo and the sound was just amazing. Doesn't even come close to the Volvo system. Other than that, we are very happy with the car, kids love it too.
  • eaton3000eaton3000 Member Posts: 16
    I have had my 2.5 for a month. As with the others, no real problems, either with acceleration or funny noises etc. Biggest problem is overly sensitive cup holder cover in front. You can't look at it cross eyed without it opening. Dealer's service department says Volvo working on a fix. We'll see.... Really though, this is not such a big problem in my opinion.

    I don't live in the mountains but I do live in a very hilly town, and no real problems climbing the hills.

    Essentially, all is perfect and I'm glad I went with 2.5.
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