Suzuki Aerio Wagon

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  • jontyreesjontyrees Member Posts: 160
    ...but I have to drive to Houston to get my car, (it's about 2.5hrs). The two Suzuki dealers here in town had no SX 5sp in stock - would have had to wait. I didn't even get to test drive one, but I did test drive the sedan in a 5sp, so I can't imagine it will be that different. From the C&D road tests, the wagon has better skid pad performance, although I expect they will be pretty much the same. The good deal is because it's a 2002 that they need to move before the 2003 models arrive. I asked them to kick in the roof rack and arm rest too, but they would only give me 50% off - I'll take it. Of course, I'm not driving off the lot yet, but we're about there.
  • artdechoartdecho Member Posts: 337
    It's been a crazy year, weather-wise, so who knows what to expect this winter...however, I guess it is inevitable at some point. Anybody planning on putting winter tires on their Aerio?
    I've been looking into it and will probably go with Nokians.....they seem to be about the best around and are no more expensive than Arctic Alpins, Blizzaks, etc. My tire dealer recommended the Nokian NRW's (which Nokian actually classifies as an All-Weather-Plus tire rather than a winter tire, although it does meet the severe snow conditions criteria) over the Hakka....1's and Hakka...Q's. Anybody have experience with any of these? I guess this will be the first winter for all of us Aerio owners, as it wasn't available until last spring!
  • artdechoartdecho Member Posts: 337
    Found this on the Edmund's aftermartket/accessories forum in the Snow/Ice tire discussion: http://www.snowtire.info/

    Alot of good info (good discussions in the forum as well)....reassured me about the Nokian NRW's.

    They seem like a great all around choice, though I'll still take them off for the summer. (It was suggested that you can leave them on year round.)
  • mhaber468mhaber468 Member Posts: 8
    Just wondering if anyone has one or knows if it is possible to get the SX AWD with a 5-speed manual. I know the Toyota Matrix/Pontiac Vibe only offer their AWD versions with an automatic.

    Thanks,
    Michael
  • lngtonge18lngtonge18 Member Posts: 2,228
    Suzuki only offers the AWD with an automatic.
  • delaluzdelaluz Member Posts: 48
    I just saw traisjag's reference ot internet pricing. I tried autobytel, but that service doesn't seem to be working now. I tried the quote service on edmunds and that didn't work either.

    BTW in Raleigh, NC they are offering $1000 cash back.
  • delaluzdelaluz Member Posts: 48
    Are there any pics of the center arm rest (and other accessories) online? If so where?

    Does the armrest get in the way of shifting the 5-speed?
  • jontyreesjontyrees Member Posts: 160
    Here's a link to a site selling accessories - no doubt there are others out there:


    http://www.foreignmotors.com/Store/Suzuki/Application%20Chart%20-%20Aerio.htm


    Also, here's a quote I copied out of a comment on the e-pinions website. It's another possible solution to the phantom "clunk" or "pop" that some of the poster to this board experienced.


    "I have driven 600 miles and have had to take to the shop 1 time for a loose Sway bar bushing that produced a minor annoying pop on the left side when backing up"


    Should be picking mine up on Thursday - they have to get the armrest for me. I'm also hoping it doesn't get in the way of the shifter, although it does swivel up out of the way.

  • jontyreesjontyrees Member Posts: 160
    Well I picked up my little black Aerio last Thursday. Had to drive to Houston and back in nasty weather, and it took all day, but I'm really liking it so far. No arm rest available, which I hear may be a blessing since it does impede shifting. Got a bike carrier instead. The rack and bike carrier seem pretty sturdy and fit well.

    I've got the phantom buzzing in the doors that some others have complained of, and it is definitely intrusive. Got to go. I'll wait a couple of weeks for parts to settle down, and if it's still a problem, I'll take it in to the dealer to fix it.

    The 5 speed shifts nicely - all shifts are slick except 5th to 4th, which is a little sticky, and requires double clutching for now. I expect this to ease with time. Engine is strong, loudish but not unpleasant on the ears - kind of growly, if that means anything. Feels like it will loosen up and rev more freely with a few more miles.

    Hard to say much about the handling, as it has been raining for a week now, so all the roads are wet. It's pretty comfortable over bumps, actually less jarring than the Trooper I traded in. I'd say that it could probably use firmer springs/shocks, although I'd be a little bit leery of lowering it because of the chin spoiler and side skirts. I'm already wary of pulling into my driveway too fast for fear of whacking the chin on the ground.

    Interior space is excellent. The drivers seat is comfortable and pretty firm, but the armrest on the drivers door is very hard and covered with the same mesh fabric that is on the seats, so it can be uncomfortable on a longer drive. I'm going to get one of those gel wrist supports for computer keyboards and velcro it to the armrest.

    Cargo carrying capability is very impressive. I picked up a large new washing machine in its packing case yesterday. The guy helping me load up looked dubious when he saw the size of the car it had to fit in, but it was really no problem. The tailgate opens very wide, and it just slid right in.

    It's a fun ride - very light controls, quick enough, extremely manoeuverable, good space. Perfect town car. Cruises easily at 75-80mph on the freeway. Stereo is really loud, but approximate in its sound reproduction - was that a bass drum or bass guitar?

    I like it.

    Jonty
  • smiller678smiller678 Member Posts: 64
    Hi all,

    Has anyone installed or got either the Aluminum or Carbon Fibre Dash kit for their Aerio? I have been thinking of getting the Aluminum kit and was wondering what others think of it. Was it easy to install, etc?

    I am coming up to 1500 miles on my Aerio SX. I really like this car. Its fun to drive and really peppy. Compared to my 01 Elantra GLS it has more low end torque and seems peppier. The smoothness of the acceleration is about the same if not slightly quieter Road noise a pretty equivalent though the Elantra may be a tad quieter at cruising. Its also slightly noisier at idle than the Elantra. This car corners pretty darn good especially since its so tall. Compared to my GLS I think it has been corning capabilities. I just checked my tire pressure this weekend (I hadn't ever checked it since buying it). The tires were set to 40 PSI on all four! I set them to 32 PSI all around. Does anyone know if our engine is all aluminum?

    Happy motoring!
  • revkarevka Member Posts: 1,750
    Welcome back! And thanks for the update. We appreciate your detailed notes, and look forward to hearing more.... Happy motoring!


    Revka

    Hatchbacks & Wagons Host

  • jontyreesjontyrees Member Posts: 160
    I'm also interested in the dash kits. The aluminum looks cool, gives the car a bit of the Audi TT effect. The design of the aerio dash may not lend itself well to the add-ons though, because of the "pod" that houses the radio. Wouldn't a shiny overlay cause really bad windshield reflections, especially the aluminum kit? I'd like to hear from anyone that has done this.
  • lngtonge18lngtonge18 Member Posts: 2,228
    I sat in one that had this kit. Hated it! The aluminum trim simply looks like plastic with bright silver paint on it. Very cheap and fake looking (it looks nothing like the nice "brushed" aluminum trim in my Lancer OZ). It also was highly reflective, making me squint some when the sun hit directly on it and the radio pod piece reflected bad into the windshield. The kit looks out of place on the funky dash design. The only place it looked good was on the trim piece in front of the passenger, but the digital gauge surround is so small that it's pointless and the radio pod cover is too large and odd shaped, making it look stupid. In my opinion, I would not waste the $200-some for this kit.
  • jontyreesjontyrees Member Posts: 160
    Good info on the dash kit. I kinda figured the shiny aluminum might not work out. When you think about it, anything that just sticks on over the top of something else is probably going to look tacky. I'll stick to functional mods, I think.

    Got any info on cheap suspension upgrades? The Aerio could definitely stand to have slightly stronger legs. Just firmer springs, bit more damping.
  • hpulley4hpulley4 Member Posts: 591
    http://www.edmunds.com/reviews/mostwanted/2003/index.html?id=lin9126


    I didn't end up buying an Aerio (was the runner up), got a MINI Cooper instead, the most wanted coupe under $25K. OK, call me trendy...

  • frenchcarfrenchcar Member Posts: 247
    I love my Aerio but would love to test drive a MINI Cooper. Must be a real blast. Wish I could afford both.
  • hpulley4hpulley4 Member Posts: 591
    The Aerio SX is much more practical. It is essentially a small wagon while the Cooper is a sporty hatchback. Since our other car is a Saturn LW200 wagon, the main reason I didn't get the Aerio was vehicle overlap -- already have a wagon and wanted a fun, small commuter car. The MINI is a blast to drive -- designed to be a car that's low to the ground for excellent cornering while the Aerio is tall for more room and minivan-like visibility and is much cheaper (rear mac struts vs. the MINI's Z-axle multilink suspension but the base Cooper is more than the AWD Aerio) which combine to mean the Aerio doesn't compare in the handling department. Very different vehicles -- perhaps it is surprising that I cross shopped them.
  • lngtonge18lngtonge18 Member Posts: 2,228
    I think I have finally narrowed down the loud popping noise to shifting brake pads. It's definitely not normal, and I'm going to take it in and have it looked at. Here's how I can get the noise to occur on cue: put the car in reverse, go backwards a few feet, than apply the brakes which causes a loud pop or knocking sound. Than, if I put the car in first gear and go forward a few feet and apply the brakes again, it makes the same noise, which can also be felt through the brake pedal. It's quite annoying and perplexing since its a mechanical problem that started early on. Hopefully, the calipers are simply missing a brake spring. Can anyone else get their cars to make the same sound by doing what I mentioned above?
  • guickgguickg Member Posts: 19
    I have also been experiencing the same type of a popping sound. But it only occurs when I back up. And I can also feel it coming through the brake pedal. I thought that it was the ABS system re-setting, but now it appears that it may not be. I also have two other problems. One is power windows that go up and down with a pretty loud scraping sound that seems to come from inside the doors although the windows are not scratched. The other problem occurs when I drive at around 65 mph or above. The steering wheel sometimes shimmies (vibrates) very noticeably. It only happens at high speeds though. Anyone has these problems? Also, I notice more and more how low the car is to the ground both in the front and on the sides. First it appeared that the ground clearance was somewhat standard for this type of a car, but lately I've been hitting the car when entering parking lots or driveways more often than ever before with my previous cars. It certainly presents an inconvenience. And as I mentioned in one of my previous comments, I changed the original equipment tires because they did not provide adequate traction in wet weather. Well, the novelty is wearing off, and my list of concerns is growing.
  • frenchcarfrenchcar Member Posts: 247
    I too had the scraping sound on the front windows. I saturated a rag with silicon spray amd lubed all rubber chanels that the glass could scrape against. Did this a few times and the noise went away. I also changed tires and made sure I stuck to the exact size so I didnt lower the road clearance. I can still hit large speed bumps at a good spedd and it never hits. Do have a problem with pulling too close to a high curb. I had some strange things happen with the new tires. Went to a shop that has a special Road Force or Ride Matching type of balance and testing machine. One tire was perfect, one had to be mounted at a different spot on the rim and the computer showed 2 of them to have a thick high spot that could not be balanced or moved on the rim as they were defective and they replaced them. I dont have anti lock brakes so have no trouble. Noise might be normal for this system but have it checked out. Did you get a different size tire?? Hope this helps.
  • akai03aeriosxakai03aeriosx Member Posts: 4
    Well, I just picked up my new 03 AerioSX yesterday. So far, I'm liking it pretty much.
    I don't know jack [non-permissible content removed] about cars but on paper this car seems to a good deal for the price. One complaint I have is that it hardly has any storage compartments. It would have been nice if it had the center arm rest was standard. I have 2 questions.

    1.Any advice on breaking in a new car?
    2. I notice the blue thermometer light stays on for quite a while after you start the car. How long is it supposed to stay on and should I wait for it to dissapear before I start to drive. I live in Hawaii so outside temp. hardly ever goes below 70 degrees.
  • jontyreesjontyrees Member Posts: 160
    Congratulations on your new SX. I concur with the need for a bit more storage space. You know there's a tray that pulls out from under the front passenger seat, right? It's semi-useful, but a bit of a hazard to get things out of when you're driving. It's like those "They're out there" ads for whatever insurance company that was - one hand on the wheel, head bobbing up and down over the dash, feet barely touching the pedals. Maybe I should pull over or something.

    Here's a link for on-line accessories, $125 for the armrest, although shipping could be pricey to Hawaii. Couldn't be hard to install. I hear it gets in the way of the shifter though - a problem if you have a 5-speed.

    http://www.foreignmotors.com/Store/Suzuki/Application Chart - Aerio.htm
  • akai03aeriosxakai03aeriosx Member Posts: 4
    Hey thanks for the info. and I DIDN'T know there was a storage tray under the seat.WOW. Thanks.
    Any Tips on breaking in a new car?
    and what about the temp light, anyone with any info on that?
  • lngtonge18lngtonge18 Member Posts: 2,228
    The blue temp light does stay on awhile when first starting it in the morning, less so in the afternoon. It was a new addition for the 03 models since the temp gauge was deleted. It stays on until the car is fully warmed-up (in my case, about 1 mile down the road or about 2 minutes after starting it up). You can start driving with it still on, but try to give it about a minute of warmup to help keep wear and tear down.
    As for break-in, just follow what Suzuki says in the manual. Avoid any sudden stops for the first 500 miles. Don't rev the engine high, but don't lug it either. Accelerate at a slow to moderate pace and don't use the cruise control or drive at a steady speed for lengthy periods of time for the first 600 miles.
    Hope that helps answer your questions. Congrats and enjoy your SX!
  • lngtonge18lngtonge18 Member Posts: 2,228
    I took my SX in this morning to get the annoying popping/knocking noise fixed. I was quite impressed with the service I got, especially after hearing about the horrible Suzuki service others have encountered (conversely, I would never buy a Suzuki from them because the sales dept was terrible). They were friendly, fixed my car by 2, and dropped me off and picked me back up. They even washed it for me! The most surprising thing was that they legitimately seemed concerned with my problem and wanted it to be fixed right. It turns out, as I suspected, that my brake pads were the culprit. The problem was so new to the dealer (apparently not to Suzuki) that they had to call the tech line to find out how to fix it. They were told to replace the brake clips and reposition them and the pads. According to the paperwork, the clips were bent, causing the pads to move freely. So far, no more popping!! I was urged by the service manager to bring it back in if the noise comes back because he was very curious if the fix works and mentioned that I have an open case with Suzuki on it. I also mentioned to them that my fog lamps were loose. They ordered new grommets for them. I hope this is the only problem I will run into for a long time. However, I'm no longer scared of my local dealer after being treated so well.
  • artdechoartdecho Member Posts: 337
    We too have the door "buzzing". Definitely wasn't there in the first 3-4 months of ownership. We are approaching 10,000 kms (6,000 mi) now. First noticed the buzzing when driving over very coarse pavement on the highway......coming from both the left and right sides......seems to be in the front doors. Now certain bass notes of the stereo also make it vibrate.....seems to stop somewhat if I press my elbow firmly against the door panel when driving. I'll investigate further to see where it's coming from this weekend. Also have a rattle/buzz coming from the right rear area of the luggage privacy cover. These noises are pretty annoying and enough to spoil the enjoyment of the car. Have you guys come up with any solutions or taken your cars into the dealer yet for a fix? As far as the popping noise/clunk that others have complained about.....we have it too, but it only occurs the first time you brake after the car has been sitting overnight....if you apply the brakes lightly, it is just a light tap.
    If you apply them harder, it is a fairly loud clunk......will check out at the dealer at the next service interval. The only other noise/problem I could complain about is a fairly loud engine resonance/vibration around 1100 rpm.
    This is very loud upon start up in the garage when the idle falls in this range (and lately, it seems like the whole exhaust system is vibrating when backing out of the garage) but otherwise is only noticeable when the transmission downshifts through that rev range (when coasting to a stop, for example). Above or below 1100 rpm, the engine is relatively quiet and resonance-free. Not sure if it's common to all Aerio's.....didn't notice it on the sedan we test drove but did on another hatchback. Despite these problems, we're still enjoying the car...got the Nokian NRW's on a few weeks ago and they seem to perform well, although haven't had any major snow to try them out yet. Hopefully we can solve the noise/buzzing problems and all will be well.
  • lngtonge18lngtonge18 Member Posts: 2,228
    My door buzzing has gotten worse as well. Both front panels do it. They buzz not only with certain bass notes but also contantly do it at certain low temperatures (basically around 45-50 early in the morning). I was able to make the buzzing stop by lowering both windows just a hair. This leads me to believe the panel is the culprit and some cushioning tape placed behind the panel would get rid of it completely. Let me know what you discover this weekend. I may look into it as well.
    As far as the clunking goes, I am willing to bet you are experiencing the same problem! The clunk I heard happened only when first driving the car until I learned what would make it do it on cue. Try doing this: Put your car in reverse and back up to about 5 mph, than apply the brakes. You should hear or feel a clunk. Now drive forward the same distance and apply the brakes again. You should hear the same clunk. If it does, than its your brake pad clips. Have the dealer look at those specifically. Good luck!
  • artdechoartdecho Member Posts: 337
    The door buzzing is worse on my drivers door and the right rear passenger door.....the right front door doesn't seem to be affected and the left rear door only slightly. If I bang on the top panels with my fist, I can hear the noise that becomes a buzz under constant vibration. I'll try lowering the windows a hair like you did to see if that makes a difference. Did you have your windows tinted? I'm wondering if they had to disassemble anything during the tinting process and maybe didn't put it back together as tight as they should have.....something is loose inside the panel, that's for sure. It was unseasonably mild here yesterday (high 50's/low 60's....guess that's cool for you, eh!) so I washed and waxed our Aerio.....it's raining now (figures!) so I won't take it out to do your brake noise experiment but will definitely try it and go to the dealer for the fix if I hear it. I got some silicone spray yesterday and will try that on the right cargo cover support piece to see if I can cure that noise (almost like the sound of 2 pieces of styrofoam rubbing together) which only happens when I go over a bump or drive on rough roads. I'll keep you posted.
  • smiller678smiller678 Member Posts: 64
    Hi lngtonge18,

    I think you mentioned a while back that you did your own oil change on your Aerio SX. I am approaching the time and miles (2500 miles) to do my first oil change. Does the oil plug have a crush washer? Anything else that I should be aware of?

    Thanks and happy motoring to all.
  • lngtonge18lngtonge18 Member Posts: 2,228
    Hi Smiller678,

    The Aerio does not use a crushable washer. It uses a regular aluminum washer that doesn't need to be changed with every oil change. The only other thing I would suggest is to be careful when taking the oil filter off. It tends to drip oil directly on the heat shield for the exhaust which may cause a burning oil smell. Good luck.
  • jontyreesjontyrees Member Posts: 160
    My door seems to have stopped buzzing for now. I'm sure it will return at some time. I too could stop it by pressing hard against the top of the panel, just below the window. I agree that a little weather strip would probably tame it, unless it's the actual window that's causing the problem. I had the panel loose at the bottom to install new speakers in the doors, but I didn't need to unfasten the top part of the door. I tried to get the top part off on the passenger side, but it was pretty reluctant to move - in fact I never did get it loose before realizing that I didn't even need to. There's a plastic cover over the door handle that was a real bear to remove to get at some screws underneath, but even when I had pulled those, the door still wouldn't come right off.

    No brake clunk on mine.

    Jonty
  • majorthomechomajorthomecho Member Posts: 1,331
    This concerns the Aerio GS sedan, but since the sedan thread is dead, I thought I would ask it here.

    If you were going to buy an Aerio for the purpose of tuning it, would you get an Aerio with AWD or FWD? And why?
  • jontyreesjontyrees Member Posts: 160
    I would definitely have to go with the FWD, since the AWD drive is only offered in automatic. I have the 5sp SX, and it is a lot of fun to drive, but is a little lacking in the cornering dept. The tire/suspension combo could still use some help, but I'd bet that AWD makes a big difference.
  • lngtonge18lngtonge18 Member Posts: 2,228
    I would choose FWD, for the simple fact that AWD adds weight and that hinders performance, not to mention the mandatory performance sapping automatic. Plus, the AWD setup in the Aerio doesn't split torque 50/50 all the time, like Subaru, so you won't really see the better traction of the AWD until the front wheels start to slip.
  • akai03aeriosxakai03aeriosx Member Posts: 4
    I bought a 03 SX Automatic. I haven't changed anything on it yet. What would be the first thing you would change and why. How much would it cost? Please advise. Thank you.
  • hpulley4hpulley4 Member Posts: 591
    Subaru has several different systems. The Aerio uses one of them, the one in the low end Imprezas and Legacy's that splits 90/10 until the front wheels slip. Other subie systems split 50/50 (manual tranny viscous central differential) or 45/55 (automatic VDC) but those last two systems aren't available on the Aerio. If AWD had been high on my list the base Impreza TS Wagon is actually cheaper than the Aerio AWD and gives you the 50/50 split viscous central diffy with a manual tranny.
  • otto_maticotto_matic Member Posts: 5
    I've driven my 2002 Aerio SX wagon (auto) for around 6 months and 12k miles. Here are some of my observations.
    The good: Pretty fun car to drive, decent gas mileage, nice pep, great price for all the options.
    The bad: 1)Low ground clearance has put a few scuff marks on the bottom of my front bumper. It also makes changing your oil and filter very hard unless you buy ramps. Also, the ramps have to have the extensions on them or your car will not make it up on them.
    2) This car hydroplanes very easily. In light rain you better not go over 45. I wonder if the low clearance has anything to do with that?
    3) Engine is very loud when it shifts into higher gear going up hills.
    4) My keyless entry quit working. The dealer said that there was a recall on the control module. There is a 30 day back order on this part at my dealership.
    5) Just noticed that when turning sharply at slow speeds I hear a knocking noise coming from the suspension. Does anyone else have this problem???
    Also finding an oil filter was virtually impossible unless you go to the dealership. I checked on the Fram web site and they don't even have the Aerio listed. Finally found one at a Napa store only because the clerk owned an Aerio and he had cross referenced the #'s off the Suzuki filter.
    Overall I am satisfied, no major problems. We'll see how the next 12k miles go.
  • jontyreesjontyrees Member Posts: 160
    The hydroplaning problem seems strange - have you checked your tire pressures?

    I picked my '02 SX up in Houston when I bought it and had to drive it back home to Austin in a torrential downpour, (at least for the first 50-60 miles), and had no hydroplaning problems at 70+ mph all the way. Have you had the alignment checked?
  • lngtonge18lngtonge18 Member Posts: 2,228
    I've noticed the terrible traction in wet weather as well. The car doesn't completely hydroplane, but seems very skittish, requiring constant steering correction. The ground clearance has nothing to do with this problem. The tires simply suck. They are rated B in traction, whereas most tires are rated A or AA. Buying higher quality tires would probably rectify the poor wet traction.
  • pulgopulgo Member Posts: 400
    Driving at 70+ MPH during heavy rain doesn't seem like a very smart idea, no matter what car you are driving. You could hit an area on the road that has not drained well and you could be in big trouble.
    Be happy that you arrived home safely.
  • lngtonge18lngtonge18 Member Posts: 2,228
    I have a question for you since you own a 5 speed like me. Do you find the gearing to be too tall? My SX seems to run out of steam around 85. Either this car has terrible aerodynamics (which would go against its name), the engine isn't making all 145 ponies (mine's an 03), or the gearing is way too tall, putting fuel economy above performance. I'm quite disappointed. My car is spunky around town, but on the highway it's more of a dog. My 00 Hyundai Accent with 89 horses seemed to accelerate with more pep from 70-85! Downshifting to 4th seems to make more noise but not much more speed. I just don't understand why this car doesn't feel faster. The really weird thing is the engine never feels like it hits its power peak. The higher you rev it, the more noise it makes, but you don't feel a more urgent rush of speed, like I do in my 02 Lancer or any other car I've driven. I'm just wondering what your thoughts are on the power characteristics of your 5 speed. I'm hoping that my engine still has a lot of breaking in to do.
  • artdechoartdecho Member Posts: 337
    Our SX, while peppy around town and not too bad on the highway, definitly doesn't have as much punch as our '93 Altima (150 hp). The Altima engine is smoother and quieter as well. That said, we took it down east this summer loaded with camping gear and a rooftop carrier and were able to go up and down some very steep grades and pass on two-laners without too much stress. Certainly a lot better than our old Sidekick (95 hp and aerodynamics of a brick!). On the door buzzing note....the upper panel buzzes are still there and we've developed a new one. I've already mentioned the engine "booming" at around 1100 rpm.
    It's the worst on start-up when the engine is cold and the idle speed falls in this range. When backing out of the garage the other day, I thought the whole exhaust system was vibrating until I discovered it was the lower panel of the driver's door. Holding it with my hand stopped it but it was amazingly loud, and of a lower frequency than the upper panel buzzes. Not noticeable any other time....only when the car is idling in this rev range....car was also in reverse (auto trans)......didn't notice it as much when the car was in park......another one for the dealer to investigate at the next service interval.
  • jontyreesjontyrees Member Posts: 160
    Can't say I've spent that much time on the highway yet, other than the first day I had the car. I live in town, have a 1 mile commute, and we haven't gone aywhere on the weekend yet, (my wife drives a V8 SHO, which is usually our road trip car). It doesn't seem really eager to rev past about 4500rpm, and it does get fairly loud. I'm hoping the engine does loosen up a bit as I put some miles on it. It may also be a characteristic of this engine that takes a little getting used to. It makes peak torque at 3000rpm, and the torque curve is basically flat until it starts to drop off somewhere after 6000rpm, so there really isn't a "peak".

    The aerodynamics are interesting - I haven't seen any cd numbers on this car, despite its name. It is pretty tall, so even if the shape is slippery, it's still going to have to push a decent amount of air out of the way.

    All in all, I'm happy - it's delivering exactly what I was looking for in a sub-$14k car. Fun to drive, practical, decent mpg, carries people and stuff, should be long-term reliable.
  • lngtonge18lngtonge18 Member Posts: 2,228
    My engine feels reluctant to rev high too. I've never had a four cylinder this reluctant to revving. It acts almost like a diesel; super low-end grunt but breathless at higher rpms and a hatred to revving any higher than 4500. This car begs me to short-shift it for maximum thrust. The only other car that requests me to do the same is my 84 Rabbit GTI, which was also tuned for low-end grunt, but it has a short-ratio 5-speed and a quick to rev nature that keeps the power flowing at highway speeds unlike the Aerio.

    I'm wondering whether the highly restrictive airbox has anything to do with the lack of high-rpm power. Anyone noticed where it collects its air? Instead of going to the front of the car, like most cars, it feeds from the inner passenger side front fender through a rather small opening. It can't possibly get the amount of air it needs from that location. The SX may be one car that can really benefit from a filtercharger or modified airbox. Any thoughts on this?
  • guickgguickg Member Posts: 19
    I had my 2002 Aerio SX automatic (3,900 miles) serviced this past Friday. The service department experience was actually somewhat pleasant and professional. I was out in 2 hours, and they had a few items to look at in addition to the regularly scheduled maintenance. The scheduled maintenance was very expensive though (even for New York) at around $50 including tax. As to the popping sound, the dealer checked and replaced defective brake clips after I mentioned it to them. The popping sound seems to have disappeared, so thanks guys for your comments! The brake pedal actually feels stronger now unless I am just imagining it. As to the scratching sound when power windows go up and down, it seems to have disappeared or diminished. I asked the dealer to look at it, and although my invoice indicates that no service was performed, I think they may have lubricated something. I also had another problem with the steering wheel vibrating (shimmying) at speeds of 65 mph and above. The dealer balanced the wheels, and it appears to be a lot better now. Also, to answer someone's comments on hydroplaning, I believe that the culprit could be the original equipment tires. They are simply not very good - rated B for traction, and they also happen to be noisy. The general consensus is that it is more than sufficient to have tires rated B for temperature for everyday normal driving (not racing), but they should be rated A for traction for maximum safety. I've replaced mine with A-rated tires, and the traction has improved considerably. The new tires are also a lot quiter and don't squeel like the old tires. I have also noticed a low buzzing sound in the front doors only when the radio is playing loud (I did not mention it to the dealer). Low ground clearance continues to be a concern for me. Suzuki really went overboard with the ground effects. They aren't necessary; this is not a sports car. So I am still holding on to my belief that the Aerio sedan is not worthy of consideration as there are many better choices available. As to the Aerio SX, it's a niche car for someone looking specifically for a small hatchback in lieu of a small SUV. But now the number of choices for this type of a car has also increased. For now I am just concerned with upcoming winter driving.
  • artdechoartdecho Member Posts: 337
    quickg, we just had a major snowstorm this weekend (about 8").....our Aerio SX was fine (although I put Nokian NRW's on for the winter).
    Did punch through a few snow drifts with the front spoiler.....just plowed right through. The actual ground clearance under the car isn't all that low.....just the ground effects themselves at the front and sides especially. I can only see it being a problem in extremely deep snow (where any car would have a problem) or if the snow drifts are frozen solid.....thus inflicting damage on the effects like a curb would. Overall, the car felt stable and solid....moreso than our old Suzuki Sidekick on it's Desert Duellers. Has anybody tried removing the ground effects? I'm curious as to how easy/difficult it is and also how it looks without them.
  • QualityQuality Member Posts: 17
    Have 2002 GLX auto. Have 41,000km and running fine. Hard on brakes though. Replaced front at 31000km. My car has all the important things that the SX has, but no fog lights. Do they work and help out in any way, like for nighttime driving. With the current service specials these can be installed for just over 300 dollars. Is it worth it? Hey Otto Matic I have the same cruching noise also when turning at low speed. I noticed someone farther down had it pinned down to clips Thanks anybody for any suggestions on the fog lights.
    Quality
  • otto_maticotto_matic Member Posts: 5
    A few weeks ago, for the first time, I ran into some real heavy fog driving up to Flagstaff. I had never used my fog lights before and it took me a few minutes to find the switch. I was a bit disappointed. I kept turning them on and off to determine whether or not it was improving my field of view. I couldn't tell much difference. If anything it seemed to reflect more off of the fog, as it would if you turned on your high beams. But after the fog broke I left them on and I liked it much better with them on. You can see much better closer up. Now, I drive with them on all the time, except when it's foggy then I turn them off! Hope this helps.
  • frenchcarfrenchcar Member Posts: 247
    Years ago in Michigan we had frequent fog. It wasnt that you could see all that much better with them as it was oncoming cars could see you which was great on undivided streets and roads when we were creeping at 10 mph with a window down to hear an approaching car. Horrible fog by the Great Lakes. The weak point on the Aerio is the tires. They might have a V speed rating which isnt needed but they dont have good traction for all conditions, have a short wear rating and worst of all they are only available in Japan. I talked to Yokohoma USA and they admit that this particular tire is a Japan only item for Suzuki. I stayed with Yokohoma but traded for an American model with an H speed rating in the same size with a much longer wear rating and better traction. I told Suzuki about this but never got an answer and the parts department couldnt find out anything either. Special order only I guess. I only had 100 miles on mine when I traded them in. Many of you criticize the lack of torque at very high speeds. The peak torque is at 3000 rpm's as advertized. That makes it zippy and useful at low and mid range speeds and on up to 75 mph cruising. If peak torque came at 4200 rpm you could cruise at 90 but would be slow off the line. I like it the way it is. Otto, have you hit snow in Flagstaff yet?
  • frenchcarfrenchcar Member Posts: 247
    Our Aerio is well broken in and at just 1500 miles I changed over to Mobil One which I have used for25 years. City gas mileage went from 25.5 to 26.5 with their 10W-30 and we didnt feel much difference. The 10W-30 is suggested for older cars and they have just reformulated it for the 4th time. At 6500 miles I changed to Mobil One 5W-30 and that is what I should have used in the first place. Same city mileage has shot up to 28,8 and 29.1 and we feel a difference. Big improvement. This 40 mile per day route is one third stop and go, one third parkway with only a few stops and one third highway. Im going to guess 33 on highway alone. Not bad for an automatic and it runs cooler andpours at 45 below zero F. Has 7 times the shear strength of normal oil and far less wear. I knew somw salesmen who travelled and kept it in for 29,000 miles and just put in some additives they got from a trucking company. I will change spring and fall now or 8,000 miles max. I buy it and take it to the dealer to put in for me. I always request they give me the bottle caps back as once in Colorado I caught a mechanic putting in regular oil and he was going to take my expensive oil. I never went to that place again. I know its expensive but it pays for itself in the long run.
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