...on the way home from work. A guy was waiting to pull out of a gas station, and I had the green light just ahead (right turn only lane). I was actually going to let him out, but he looked down to light a cigarette, so I missed my chance to be courteous. Or did I miss a chance to hold up the 2 cars behind me? :P
I'm looking forward to going home tonight. About 4-5 inches of nice, powdery snow today so I am going to be living it up! I LOVE driving in the winter and I still have a solid 4 months to enjoy it!!!!!
2018 Subaru Crosstrek, 2014 Audi Q7 TDI, 2013 Subaru Forester, 2013 Ford F250 Lariat D, 1976 Ford F250, 1969 Chevrolet C20, 1969 Ford Econoline 100
snakeweasel "Actually there is no law that states that you have to go through a green light."
That would be "IMPEDING TRAFFIC" because you are going to SLOW, meaning ZERO miles an hour to let someone in.
Example: Let's say a car is in front of me on a two-lane same-direction road. There is heavy traffic on both sides. I stop BEFORE the intersection not to block it. If the person pulls out while the light is red, "THEY" are NOW blocking the intersection which is ILLEGAL. Also, if they have the STOP SIGN and I have the GREEN LIGHT, I am SUPPOSE to go and they are SUPPOSE TO CONTINUE to STOP, even if it's 3 minutes or so, THEY still have the STOP SIGN. The stop sign suddenly doesn't just dissappear, it's STILL there when the light turns green.
Same thing with a place of business that has no stop sign. If you let them in at the green, then they aren't YIELDING like the law states to. If the light is green, YOU are "BLOCKING TRAFFIC" to let that person in that HAS to yield to EVERYONE on the road.
"Huh? that doesn't make sense. Letting someone in heavy traffic makes everyone behind them not make the light?"
Maybe not the SAME session of the green light, but the green light session that they COULD have made the next TIMES around. Meaning, let's say if 2 cars were let in. The second set of cars to go through the green light, happens to be you that COULD HAVE made the light, which is YOU that's the FIRST car at the NEXT red light. See, so you DIDN'T make that green light that time because of INCONSIDERATE people that let people in from places that either have a stop sign, yield sign, or somewhere where they had to YIELD. That is what I am saying, not necessarily in the SAME TIME, but the time that the people are close to the traffic light.
"Do you realize how SELFISH that sounds to think of "YOURSELF"
Mrs. Pot meet Mr. Kettle"
I am thinking of ALL the people BEHIND me as well as myself, YOU are ONLY thinking of that ONE vehicle coming out, NOT anyone else that has RIGHT-OF-WAY that would like to TRY to make the next light without it turning red.
See, I let people in if they are on the ROADWAY, meaning there are NO signs or RIGHT-OF-WAYS. For instance, even the other day, they had some construction and I let one car in from the lane that was blocked. The difference is, they are on the ROAD already, so that is TOTATLLY DIFFERENT. I also will brake some, but NOT all the way, to let someone in to my lane if they are changing lanes and have their signal on. It is still COMPLETELY DIFFERENT because they are ALREADY on the road, where as when I have a green light, I GO, NOT STOP for them, which would be BLOCKING TRAFFIC when there is really NO NEED to. Especially when traffic is light. One time I remember a car stopped BEFORE the red light to let someone in and LITERALLY could have went 3 cars after. The traffic wasn't heavy, but people are SO CONCERNED with ONE car that HAS to by LAW YIELD or STOP to the people on the road. You don't consider that there are people BEHIND you that would like to go at the green. ALL you CARE ABOUT is the person at the stop signs or places of business that HAVE TO STOP and YIELD, YOU are suppose to stop for them, that is WRONG and VERY INCONSIDERATE to ALL the people behind you.
Don't you get that if there's a situation like the one I wrote about that has 2 lanes going the same direction and a third right-turn only lane, that if there is a gas station in the middle of the lane, that if you decide to let someone in heavy traffic at a red light, that, that holds up the right-turn only lane if the car that you let in wants to go STRAIGHT, meaning, that ALL the traffic behind you has to WAIT for the traffic to start moving when the light turns green? When they COULD HAVE turned right on red possibly. Also, by letting the person in at the red light that makes the person BLOCK the intersection because they are pulled in sideways, which is TRULY BLOCKING THE INTERSECTION WHICH IS ILLEGAL! At least in Louisiana it is illegal to block an intersection. As I said in a previous posts, that DID HAPPEN. So my husband and I had to sit there as well as ALL the traffic for this ONE person that just had to be rude to STOP in the MIDDLE of the road and the person that JUST had to pull out couldn't have just BACKED up not to BLOCK EVERYONE in that lane, which also made the next lane STOP to let him in. If I would have been in that lane, I WOULDN'T have let him in because he was BLOCKING EVERYONE, HOW RUDE and SELFISH of that person to BLOCK 2 lanes of traffic for HIMSELF. It didn't benefit ANYONE except the person that was let in. Not even the person in front of us that let him in benefitted from this. It DELAYED EVERYONE behind us as well as the lane next to us. It more delayed the people in the right-turn only lane because we could have turned right on red possibly if it was clear, but NO, we had to be BLOCKED the entire time of the light and then had to wait for traffic to move in the lane the person wanted to get in. HOW INCONSIDERATE of BOTH people to do that? For one, the person that let the person in, which ALL the people in the right-turn only lane WOULDN'T have been blocked if it wasn't for that person. Secondly, the person that pulled out when that person KNEW he had to YIELD to ALL OF US, HOW RUDE! Then to see the person was blocking us, that that person couldn't have BACK UP out of CONSIDERATION FOR EVERYONE that was being BLOCKED, but NO, we were ALL TRAPPED the ENTIRE LIGHT. What INCONSIDERATE people in the world that don't follow the law NOT to BLOCK an INTERSECTION, which that person WAS!
As I stated before, WHY have the rules if NOBODY follows them? There must be SOME REASON that the rules are what they are that green means go, stop means stop, and yield means yield.
That would be "IMPEDING TRAFFIC" because you are going to SLOW, meaning ZERO miles an hour to let someone in.
Since that someone is also traffic I would be impending traffic by not letting him in. Anyways I don't think any court in this country will convict you of impending traffic for starting to accelerate 2 seconds later. I will say again it is common courtesy to let someone in if you are already stopped. Heck traffic is held up more with hybrid drivers acclereating real slow trying to get the best mileage than anyone letting someone in.
To be completely honest saying letting someone in is holding up traffic is akin to saying not flooring it the instant the light turns green is holding up traffic. So lets be honest here do you floor it out of a green light? because if you don't you might be holding up traffic behind you. (Yeah I know its an idiotic example but then again so is your complaint)
Example: Let's say a car is in front of me on a two-lane same-direction road. There is heavy traffic on both sides. I stop BEFORE the intersection not to block it. If the person pulls out while the light is red, "THEY" are NOW blocking the intersection which is ILLEGAL.
Ok am I correct in presuming that "the person" is on another street (the set up suggests it)? If so then according to you that person cannot win. You see if that person pulls out before the light turns green you say that they are blocking the intersection. But if they wait they still block the intersection.
Same thing with a place of business that has no stop sign. If you let them in at the green, then they aren't YIELDING like the law states to.
Now if you stop before the exit and yield the right of way to them then they are not breaking the law. This is something called common courtesy learn it.
I am thinking of ALL the people BEHIND me as well as myself,
No you are thinking of yourself. come on those people behind you barely notice any delay, if at all. I gaurentee you that if you didn't see the car in front of you let someone in you wouldn't notice the delay.
they had some construction and I let one car in from the lane that was blocked. The difference is, they are on the ROAD already,
Actually there is no difference, the law states that the vehicle merging into another lane has to yield right of way to traffic already in the lane they are merging into. If you let one car in you are doing the EXACT SAME THING as what you are complaining about.
One time I remember a car stopped BEFORE the red light to let someone in and LITERALLY could have went 3 cars after.
Since it was a red light who pray tell was inconvienced? What you got to the red light a few seconds later, oh my god thats terrible.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
Me..... It's all about me! What about you?! What about you? It's all about mememememememememememememememememememememememememe........... ME! Stay out of my way, stay out of my day...
Lords, you asked me if I speed... and the answer is "I usually don't". I haven't (knock on wood) had a speeding ticket since 1985. I do go over the speed limit to pass someone on the interstate but then drop down to the posted speed within a couple of miles an hour.
Honestly, I think you are going to have a heart attack if you worry so much about someone being so rude and wanting to get in front of you. One of your recent posts were so long I just couldn't read it; my eyes started to cross. :confuse:
I just don't worry too much about what others are doing. I watch out for my safety and not worry if I'm going to be late by a few minutes because someone was in a bigger hurry than me.
I'm currently on a driving trip for five days... while on the interstate, I will let the "big rigs" in when climbing a hill because no one else will let them. Now, I don't want them pulling out right in front of me as I'm passing them but if they signal, I'll give'm space.
Let the water roll off your back, you will sleep better.
Mark :shades:
2010 Land Rover LR4, 2013 Honda CR-V, 2009 Bentley GTC, 1990 MB 500SL, 2001 MB S500, 2007 Lincoln TC, 1964 RR Silver Cloud III, 1995 MB E320 Cab., 2015 Prevost Liberty Coach
snakeweasel "So lets be honest here do you floor it out of a green light?"
Actually MOST of the time I DO! I sometimes make a light that the person behind me doesn't make.
"If you let one car in you are doing the EXACT SAME THING as what you are complaining about."
Actually, it's NOT the EXACT same thing. If I let someone in on the road that has their signal on, if they can't get into the lane they want to be in, they may have to go a half a mile or so to make a u-turn, possibly waiting in lots of traffic to get back to the turn they missed or they will block traffic to get into the lane they need to be in a LOT longer if I didn't let them in. If the person is at a place of business, stop sign, or yield sign, it REALLY DOESN'T make them waste much gas or ANY mileage. It only makes them wait longer to go. Plus, there's another difference, since the law states "THEY" have to stop or yield, then "THEY" should be stopping or yielding, NOT the people that are SUPPOSE to GO. I didn't make the laws, so don't be mad at me. YOU, however are BREAKING the law by BLOCKING TRAFFIC.
"I am thinking of ALL the people BEHIND me as well as myself,
No you are thinking of yourself. come on those people behind you barely notice any delay, if at all. I gaurentee you that if you didn't see the car in front of you let someone in you wouldn't notice the delay."
I WOULD notice a delay because I would be the FIRST person at the red light that didn't make the green or yellow at the particular time I COULD HAVE. Also, people DO NOTICE. That's BULL! I am thinking of OTHERS TOO, NOT just myself. What you said is NOT a true statement at ALL. Do you honestly think I want to get honked on for stopping for someone that is suppose to yield? HECK NO!
I have been honked on at a yield sign when there was traffic coming. People are really mean because I do the RIGHT thing, which is FOLLOW THE LAW. I have sat at a yield sign for 2 minutes or so a bunch of times because there was traffic coming, but then when it stopped, the light turned green, which the traffic before them started to go, so instead of pulling in front of them at the green, I YIELDED like I was suppose to by LAW! I have seen one time a blond lady at a non-u-turn area which goes across to a Wal-greens, when I happen to be at a u-turn, she just started to go as a car was coming. I thought that was insane, but she just did anyway, ONLY thinking of HERSELF. I thought of the LAW and the people that had RIGHT-OF-WAY, which was NOT me. So QUIT saying I am only thinking of myself, when it's YOU who worrys about if the person is reading a map at a light, as if the person that is reading a map shouldn't pay attention just as much to the light. The person should be paying attention. Today, there was a vehicle in front of me at a red light. It turned green, I noticed the person just sat there. I layed my hand on the horn for about 3-4 seconds, which is SO RIDICULOUS when she was the FIRST person in line. The person shouldn't be just sitting at a green light. That person honked their horn as if I was being mean to them, when THAT PERSON was the one being mean to ME by not paying attention. If they are rude to me, I'll be rude back. That is the WAY it SHOULD BE. Treat others the way you'd like to be treated. It wouldn't take me but a second if someone honked on me to go. It didn't the time I was going to turn right on red one time, but the light turned green, so I got honked on DESERVEABLE. I moved the first second they honked. I didn't just sit there like some people do. I deserved the honk for not paying attention, but that person today didn't act like they deserved it because they honked back at me. They DID deserve it for NOT paying attention, which DELAYED ME. I have the decency to think of OTHERS BEHIND ME to TRY TO PAY ATTENTION. That is NOT being selfish at ALL.
"Now if you stop before the exit and yield the right of way to them then they are not breaking the law. This is something called common courtesy learn it."
WHY do I keep having to explain this. It is NOT common courtesy to ALL the people BEHIND YOU. It is ONLY courteous to that ONE person. By law, I am NOT suppose to yield right-of-way to a person that has a stop sign, yield sign, or a person that is suppose to yield because they are pulling out of either their driveway or a place of business. I am suppose to GO when the traffic starts moving if I am on the roadway. Common courteousy is NOT to let someone in from a stop sign, yield sign, or place of business, UNLESS you there is NOONE BEHIND you, then it's courteous to just delay YOURSELF ONLY, but to delay other people behind you is DISCOURTEOUS to those people. Don't you get that? It's enough that I only think of the person that needs to get into a lane, I don't want to think of the people that have to stop or yield to me. Then I would NEVER be considerate to the people BEHIND me, EVER. That is what you are doing, NEVER being considerate to people behind you, which I am. I may think of the person that has their signal, which needs to get into the lane I am in, but I don't think of EVERYBODY that has to be let in, YOU DO for some UNKNOWN reason? I at least consider people BEHIND me when I drive. Sure I may be stopping traffic sometimes if it's heavy for a lane that is blocked to let someone in, but you seem to do it ALL THE TIME, I at least do it SOMETIMES. I also am not letting people in that have to yield or stop, especially if they have an actually yield or stop sign.
I just feel WHY have the rules such as a stop sign meaning stop or yield sign meaning yield, if you STOP or YIELD to them? That DOESN'T make ANY sense considering THEY have the stop or yield sign, LET THEM YIELD OR STOP like the LAW states.
I bet your the type of person in a parking lot that will sit with their signal on to wait for a space. I NEVER have done that unless the person is backing up. If the people aren't even in the car yet, I will NEVER block a lane. I actually am CONSIDERATE to OTHERS, you aren't to the people BEHIND YOU EVER it seems.
I bet your the type of person in a parking lot that will sit with their signal on to wait for a space.
So, what is wrong with that. I see that once in a while and many times it is an elderly senior driver waiting for a close parking space. Some of these seniors do not qualify for disabled parking spaces, but nonetheless have trouble walking and need to park close to the store or building.
Also, think that it is inconsiderate to use car horn except for emergency involving a safety situation. I wish that I had some type of counter on my car horn out of curiousity. Think that at most, I might use it a handful of times per year and drive almost every day.
Yes it is, like the person trying to exit a gas station the person merging has to yield right of way and cannot merge until safe to do so. Legally they have to wait until it is safe to do so just like the guy pulling out of the gas station. Yielding that right of way to some one who is merging lanes is the same thing as yielding right of way to someone pulling out on the road. In both cases they had to yield right of way and in both cases being courteous means inconviencing those behind you (although only by a few seconds at most).
WHY do I keep having to explain this.
because your explanation doesn't make sense unless you are being selfish. Those people behind me are no more inconvienced by that as they are by someone accelerating a little slower than the guy in front of them. They are delayed by what 2 seconds? which means to arrive where they were going they would have to drive 2 inches an hour faster?
Lets look at it this way, if there are five cars behind me and I let someone in then all five cars are delayed 2 seconds which means I have delayed everyone in the world 10 seconds total. If I don't and that guy has to wait another 2 minutes I have delayed everyone in the world by two minutes which is longer than 10 seconds.
It is just common courtesy which apparently you do not have.
I just feel WHY have the rules such as a stop sign meaning stop or yield sign meaning yield, if you STOP or YIELD to them?
Oh and you never ever broken any rules? Ever speed?
Its not that you are not obeying the rules it is just that someone else is yielding their right of way which is permissible to an extend.
I bet your the type of person in a parking lot that will sit with their signal on to wait for a space.
You don't win many bets do you. First off what has that to do with the price of rhubarb? Secondly I tend to park at the first empty spot I come to.
I will NEVER block a lane. I actually am CONSIDERATE to OTHERS,
Yeah the underlying tone of all of this is "Me first how dare you even think of holding me back even for a second".
Learn some common courtesy.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
I said: "I bet your the type of person in a parking lot that will sit with their signal on to wait for a space."
You said: "So, what is wrong with that."
If you are BLOCKING someone from coming down the lane and there is someone behind the person you are blocking, you've TRAPPED them LITERALLY for YOUR space. That IS pretty darn SELFISH. I have NEVER done that. ONLY if a car is backing out, which sometimes the person will pull out anyway, so sometimes I don't even have a choice. I NEVER just sit for a minute or more to make someone else wait for MY space. That is SO INCONSIDERATE. The person behind me either wants to get home or has shopping to do themselves. Think of OTHER people BEHIND you. So, there's A LOT WRONG with that.
"I see that once in a while and many times it is an elderly senior driver waiting for a close parking space. Some of these seniors do not qualify for disabled parking spaces, but nonetheless have trouble walking and need to park close to the store or building."
So what you are saying is that "THEIR" time is more important than someone else's time? I think NOT! I understand they may not be able to walk well, but there are TOOLS to help people like that like walkers or wheelchairs. You can't say that it's really FAIR to inconvenience someone just because they are YOUNG, that's PURE DISCRIMINATION. Treat everyone EQUALLY. NO FAVORITISM, that is ONLY FAIR.
It's ridiculous that you are ONLY concerned with the elderly people that have trouble walking, but not EVERYONE ELSE that doesn't have trouble walking.
I've also have seen PLENTY of young people block me.
but a long time ago, I would get very upset at someone driving reckless, like weaving in and out of traffic, rapid lane change, etc...not that I now advocate it, I don't, but I have totally changed my mindset on it...
First, now that they are in front of me, they are no longer really a hazard to me, except the wreck they may cause up ahead that will stop traffic for an hour...
Secondly, and more important to me, I thought of something offbeat...maybe that person is experiencing a crisis that we do not know about...maybe rushing a gunshot wound/stab victim to the ER, maybe taking a laboring wife to ER, maybe sudden urge to require bathroom facilities, maybe they were injured and trying to drive to ER, maybe about to miss a plane flight, and a thousand other things...
Before you post and tell me how they are placing the other "mythical" party (injury victim, laboring wife) at risk by their reckless driving, I agree with you...but, still, I just assume that they may have a good reason for driving that way, so rather than get enraged (which won't really do me any good anyway) I just wish them well, hope all is well, and am still quite happy that they are now in front of me instead of behind me...
I used to blow my blood pressure at traffic jams, and for what???...now, I just put in a Yanni CD and listen to soothing music, and I get there when I get there...:):)
Bob, I feel same as you about the crazy drivers, it's called "maturity". I just let the crazy drivers pass me and hope the best for them. It's funny, when you get older, you don't worry about the little stuff as much and try to enjoy the good stuff as much as you can!
Lords1 is a heart attach waiting to happen. :sick:
Mark
2010 Land Rover LR4, 2013 Honda CR-V, 2009 Bentley GTC, 1990 MB 500SL, 2001 MB S500, 2007 Lincoln TC, 1964 RR Silver Cloud III, 1995 MB E320 Cab., 2015 Prevost Liberty Coach
"If you are BLOCKING someone from coming down the lane and there is someone behind the person you are blocking, you've TRAPPED them LITERALLY for YOUR space."
Lords1 - you are on target with a lot of what you post. I agree with a lot of what you are saying -- I can feel my blood pressure rising as I wait for the person blocking the parking lot lane to finally get into their spot. Sometimes this transaction takes a few minutes, and of course I am held hostage along with the people behind me. That is plain rude.
The thing about letting people in: if I'm the person in a long line of cars who has to wait until the light cycles 3 or 4 times, because other drivers are being "considerate" I say the drivers on the main road should go. It really irks me when the car in front of me is a "considerate" driver and I miss the light and have to wait another 3 minutes.
It really irks me when the car in front of me is a "considerate" driver and I miss the light and have to wait another 3 minutes.
Honestly how many times has this happened to you? How many times has someone let a car in and you end up missing the light only because of that? To be honest I can not think of any time that has happened to me.
I mean your more inconvienced by someone acclereating slower than the person in front of them.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
I said: "I bet your the type of person in a parking lot that will sit with their signal on to wait for a space."
You said: "So, what is wrong with that."
Still say nothing wrong with that in case that I cited of an elderly senior waiting for a close space. I said nothing of blocking. Situations I usually encounter, the senior is off to the side of the lane, not blocking and leaves space for cars to go around. Would agree that anyone, including seniors, who block "narrow" parking lot lanes waiting for a space are inconsiderate. Don't know what solution is for them, but I do have compassion for their physical limitations having had elderly senior parents and relatives that walk with great difficulty.
>I mean you're more inconvenienced by someone acclereating slower than the person in front of them.
I often am held back at a light that lets about 5 cars make a left turn at a main T intersection because people let others out of a Speedway. The Speedway people can go around the block the other direction in many cases and go down the same road and don't need to make a left turn across the waiting traffic.
I'm often delayed by the do-gooder who gets through the light themself but causes others behind to have to wait.
snakeweasel "It really irks me when the car in front of me is a "considerate" driver and I miss the light and have to wait another 3 minutes."
kdshapiro is RIGHT. There are SO MANY TIMES where I miss the light because of either the first person NOT PAYING ATTENTION or the person sits at a GREEN(which means GO, NOT CONTINUE TO STOP BY LAW) kdshapiro is RIGHT. There are SO MANY TIMES where I miss the light because of either the first person NOT PAYING ATTENTION or the person sits at a GREEN(which means GO, NOT CONTINUE TO STOP BY LAW), which DELAYS EVERYONE ELSE BEHIND THAT PERSON. Be considerate for ONCE in your life to the people BEHIND you that HAVE, BY LAW, RIGHT-OF-WAY. You are NO POLICE OFFICER to HALT traffic for that ONE person that is at a gas station or wherever. I have to GO at the GREEN LIGHT because the LAW STATES SO, otherwise I am IMPEDING TRAFFIC.
I can maybe see is the person at a gas station has waited about 5 minutes to let this person in, but it just seems that the VERY FIRST MOMENT someone is ready to pull out, which sometimes the person at the place of business hasn't even waited as long as I have at this light gets LET IN BEFORE ME. I have waited LONGER than that person that DOESN'T, BY LAW have right-of-way, so there is NO WAY that is COURTEOUS to people that are in line BEHIND this person that lets this person in.
I have seen SO MANY times where a person is just getting finished at the gas station literally 10 seconds before the light turns green and they get let in. That's just UNFAIR, when if I am on the road as well as the people BEHIND me, they should GO at the green. That person is SUPPOSE to WAIT BY LAW to go, NOT EVERYONE on the road at a GREEN light, when they didn't even wait 30 seconds even. That's just plain WRONG to ONLY think EVERYTIME of the people at a place of business or at a stop sign. I don't ALWAYS let people in if I have to slow down from like 40 to 20 just to let them in, that's just UNSAFE. A person could rear end me if I would do that by breaking fast, so I wouldn't want to risk that again. If people would just have their signals on, then I'd KNOW to try to slow down so I COULD let them in. The difference is, the people on the roadway actually have RIGHT-OF-WAY with NO SIGNS to speak of. They are NOT pulling out. Yes, granting, when they are changing lanes, I am yielding to them to let them in if the lane is blocked from construction or whatever, but that is just SO DIFFERENT. If they are on the roadway, they have NO SIGNS to speak of. They are still SUPPOSE to be moving, so in order for people to continue to move, just like an interstate highway, you HAVE to let someone in, otherwise, the people at the blocked lane or yield sign would be waiting a half an hour instead of 3 minutes. I am MORE mad about the people that let people in when literally the person could have pulled out 3 cars after mine. It's like ALL, just like YOU, are ONLY concerned with the people PULLING OUT, NEVER the people in the back. See, I take turns with that issue. I DON'T always think of the people in the back of me, but I also DON'T only think of the people coming out. I just go by the LAW, which states, THEY, the people that are PULLING OUT, HAVE TO YIELD TO the people on the roadway, plain and simple. You break the law, as well as, ONLY consider the people coming out, NEVER, EVER, the people BEHIND you, I actually consider the people BEHIND ME's FEELINGS as well as MY OWN, and the fact that the LAW STATES I am SUPPOSE to go at the green light. Also, I don't want to get honked on for being inconsiderate to people BEHIND me.
The basic thing I don't get is WHY you can't think of people BEHIND you sometimes, instead of ALWAYS thinking of the people coming out? I at LEAST let people in if they have their signal on, if they want to change lanes, so I do think of those people, but you NEVER, EVER seem to think of others BEHIND YOU. Common Courtesy goes both ways, meaning if someone just at the last 3 seconds of the light comes to pull out, you SHOULDN'T let them in out of COMMON COURTESY to the people waiting a COUPLE of MINUTES at the light. The next group will let them in. Be NICE to people that have WAITED LONGER to GO. Think about COMMON COURTEOUSY to THOSE PEOPLE.
What I am saying is that I am NOT so SELFISH as to JUST to think of ONLY ONE group. WHY can't you see you ARE being that way?
"Oh and you never ever broken any rules? Ever speed?"
I have sped in my lifetime, but I haven't in a REALLY LONG TIME, more like YEARS. I have only 1 ticket to speak of and that is from an accident that was my fault. That WASN'T from speeding. I changed lanes to quickly and didn't look good enough, my fault COMPLETELY. I have NEVER had a speeding ticket in my lifetime. I can't change my pasts, but I DO, do the speed limit now, not EVER, EVER go over. If I need to get into a lane, I'll either slow down BELOW speed limit or make a U-Turn, but I will NOT speed up to pass the person. That is ILLEGAL to speed to pass someone. Sure, I have in my lifetime, but I follow the rules now. I really don't think it's worth working just to pay a ticket as well as a higher insurance rate. It's just NOT worth getting home or whereever, 10 minutes sooner.
"It is just that someone else is yielding their right of way which is permissible to an extend."
It is NOT permissable to extend a person to say you have right-of-way, ONLY a POLICE OFFICER, EMT or AMBULANCE DRIVER or FIRE TRUCK DRIVER can do that. You have NO RIGHTS to say a person that LITERALLY by LAW has RIGHT-0F-WAY.
"First off what has that to do with the price of rhubarb?"
Don't even know what a "Rhubarb" is. This is a forum for "Inconsiderate drivers." So a price of something is something I am NOT interested in, in this forum.
"Yeah the underlying tone of all of this is "Me first how dare you even think of holding me back even for a second"."
So, think about if you were TRAPPED in between 2 vehicles for 4 minutes, when you wanted to get your shopping DONE or you were finished but wanted to get home, but some SELFISH person decides "THEIR" space is worth "YOUR" TIME waiting for. That is just MEAN, WRONG, and SELFISH. You are not only wasting GAS, which is MONEY, but your wasting TIME as well. I have pulled BACK into a space when I see someone coming. The ONLY way I pull out of a space is if I see they WANT my space by stopping and having their signal on, then I know they are waiting for ME to pull out. I WON'T make people wait for ME to pull out. That's just WRONG and INCONSIDERATE, plain and simple. I think of other's BEHIND me.
>but it just seems that the VERY FIRST MOMENT someone is ready to pull out, which sometimes the person at the place of business hasn't even waited as long as I have at this light gets LET IN BEFORE ME
That's a major part of the problem. The "do-gooder" often lets in the poor person at the station while holding back traffic behind them.
Time to chill! Your posts are so long-winded I've stopped reading them. All those upper-case and boldface words are a turnoff as well!
From what others have been saying, they're also repetitive and tiresome. Take a few deep breaths and relax, please!
A little courtesy goes a long way on the road, as the old saying goes. Absolute, rigid adherence to the rules of the road isn't always a good idea. (I can't believe I'm saying this, but it certainly applies here.)
I always appreciate it in when someone lets me out of a gas station, etc. in heavy traffic when I might have to wait **forever** to get out.
I'm not going to get into a back-and-forth with you, so please don't bother addressing me.
of letting someone onto the road from a gas station, I do get annoyed at lights that turn green, or a short green arrow, and the person holds up traffic by playing with the radio, or the kids, or cell phone, or whatever...in that case, I wish folks would keep their eyes peeled on the light, so that they can proceed without delay, espcially when caused by their own inattention...
I'm tired of the little bright blue headlights on mostly foreign brands where they bounce up and down blinding you with their bright beam as they come at you. Acuras seem to have the problem.
Doesn't matter what the vehicle is. It's the nut behind the wheel. I had a guy coming towards me last night on a rural road, and I could see by the reflection off the roadside power lines that he had his high beams on while he was on the other side of the rise, so I flashed my high beams to let him know someone was on the other side and he could power down a bit.
No response
So he gets to the top of the rise, still over 1/4 mile away and I flash again.
ZIP
So I grit my teeth and wait... and he keeps coming, high beams on and extra lights below the bumper blazing, completely oblivious to the fact that I could see NOTHING between the rain and his roilling impersonation of the sun.
Do we really want to start rehashing the negatives of HID headlights, as well as people who insist on using fog lights all the time because they think it looks cool? Some of them obviously mess with the wiring because fogs aren't supposed to illuminate simultaneously with high beams.
Speaking of high beams, I accidentally left mine on the other night while rounding a slight left hand bend while two oncoming cars passed me by on a 2-lane road. Neither flashed me.
This was because I had left the trip computer display in the "elapsed time" mode and my wife asked at that very moment about the "temperature."
I thought she meant the climate control setting, and not the outside air temp display. So while I was looking at the climate controls and then realized she wanted the outside temp displayed, I forgot about the high beams. Distractions, you know?
When I was stationed in Alaska (real dark, like pitch black, on rainy nights) there was this one lady who was stationed with me who refused to dim her lights saying "I can see better with the brights on". No amount of our trying could convince her that she needed to dim her lights for other cars so they can see. :mad:
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
but a long time ago, I would get very upset at someone driving reckless, like weaving in and out of traffic, rapid lane change, etc...not that I now advocate it, I don't, but I have totally changed my mindset on it... I thought of something offbeat...maybe that person is experiencing a crisis that we do not know about...maybe rushing a gunshot wound/stab victim to the ER, maybe taking a laboring wife to ER, maybe sudden urge to require bathroom facilities, maybe they were injured and trying to drive to ER, maybe about to miss a plane flight, and a thousand other things...
Maybe some reckless drivers have a legitimate need to drive that way, but I'll bet anything that 99% of them are driving recklessly because they're careless idiots. Besides, even facing a real emergency is rarely any reason to drive in too extreme a manner. One of the things police officers are taught is that you can't respond effectively to an emergency call if you crash getting there.
The fog light people are notoriously bad here, especially in trucks and SUVs where the lights blind those in actual cars. Must be another form of overcompensation. Another area where I am sure the revenue collectors don't venture, as it isn't cherry-picking.
HID lights aren't the problem, poorly installed fakes are. Those are probably the bouncy ones you see, imad. On that subject, does GM still used sealed-beams?
Agree with you 100%. In a true emergency, it's better to call 911 than to try to rush to the hospital yourself. At least the paramedics can treat you en route, before you get to a hospital, which could be far away.
As for bathroom breaks, well having been there and done that, when absolutely necessary, I look for a safe place off the road and head for some cover. On interstates, I wait for the nearest exit.
LOL wow, I was joking. Sealed beams like the incandescent lights seen on old cars? I didn't know they still made them. My fintail lost one of its old sealed beams, and I couldn't find one at any store to replace it, so it got halogens.
They say tonight we might get a little snow event....tomorrow morning should be good for ditched SUVs
OK that makes sense, as I was thinking halogens became pretty standard maybe 25 years ago. Of course, there is always an outlier, and it is usually a safe bet as to who it will be.
on AOL about predatory towing. Any one got some stories about this or inconsiderate tow truck drivers? Im not out to condemn a profession, just hear about the bad apples. Philly from what I know and have witnessed is reknown for this. Ive seen tow truck drivers arrive on an accident scene before the cops get there. Usually an F350 with a hydraulic towbar underneath.
There was a pretty bad towing company in Chicago called Lincoln Park towing that was very aggressive. They got the nickname "The Lincoln Park Pirates". There is even a song of the same name about them.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
While living in Ann Arbor many years ago, most students believed the local police were in cahoots with a local towing company. I think the company either followed the local cruisers to immediately tow illegally parked vehicles or called the police to inform them of such cars. Someone could be parked illegally for five minutes and end up with a hefty towing charge (far more than the parking ticket). You should have seen the size of the "impound" (for lack of a better word) lot that the towing company owned.
Coming into work today, I ended up behind some guy who slowed down after I came up behind him. He then proceeded to delay (seemingly purposefully, although this may have been my imagination as I was running late) making his left hand turn at the light so that I nearly missed a very long signal. The thing that then really burned me was that he then turned on his left signal and slowed down to make his turn from the traffic lane (completely ignoring the dedicated left turn lane). Traffic in the right lane was enough so that I couldn't get over safely to get around him.
BTW, the car he was driving was a 745Li with a Notre Dame vanity plate. Since I like BMWs, I'm going to assume the passive-aggressive thing was a Notre Dame trait.
I do agree with you...I wasn't approving of their reckless driving, but I have changed my mindset about it...
Most importantly, since I can do NOTHING to stop them from recklessness, not only am I safer with them in front of mw instead of behind me, but changing my mindset just means that my blood pressure does not blow off in anger at them for driving like idiots...it is more for me than for them...they will be idiots regardless of what I do, so I just wish them well and go back to my Billy Joel CD...
Well Chicago just did its annual December clean-up. Winter parking restrictions go into effect on Dec 1st and the city was out in force today ticketing and towing hundreds of cars.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
Ok we had the first snow where it actually stuck today. Now why is it that everyone had to drive at 20 MPH. At one point I flew by a whole line of cars while driving 20 MPH less than normal for that stretch of road. We had at most a 1/4 inch of snow and it took me more than twice as long to get to work. :mad:
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
Thank you for proving my suspicion that more than one of you posters waste your employers time and money by being on the computer while at work. I began to wonder when I noted you did not post on the weekends or holidays.
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How dare you even consider such a notion!!! :mad:
LOL
*end sarcasm*
I'm looking forward to going home tonight. About 4-5 inches of nice, powdery snow today so I am going to be living it up! I LOVE driving in the winter and I still have a solid 4 months to enjoy it!!!!!
"Actually there is no law that states that you have to go through a green light."
That would be "IMPEDING TRAFFIC" because you are going to SLOW, meaning ZERO miles an hour to let someone in.
Example: Let's say a car is in front of me on a two-lane same-direction road. There is heavy traffic on both sides. I stop BEFORE the intersection not to block it. If the person pulls out while the light is red, "THEY" are NOW blocking the intersection which is ILLEGAL. Also, if they have the STOP SIGN and I have the GREEN LIGHT, I am SUPPOSE to go and they are SUPPOSE TO CONTINUE to STOP, even if it's 3 minutes or so, THEY still have the STOP SIGN. The stop sign suddenly doesn't just dissappear, it's STILL there when the light turns green.
Same thing with a place of business that has no stop sign. If you let them in at the green, then they aren't YIELDING like the law states to. If the light is green, YOU are "BLOCKING TRAFFIC" to let that person in that HAS to yield to EVERYONE on the road.
"Huh? that doesn't make sense. Letting someone in heavy traffic makes everyone behind them not make the light?"
Maybe not the SAME session of the green light, but the green light session that they COULD have made the next TIMES around. Meaning, let's say if 2 cars were let in. The second set of cars to go through the green light, happens to be you that COULD HAVE made the light, which is YOU that's the FIRST car at the NEXT red light. See, so you DIDN'T make that green light that time because of INCONSIDERATE people that let people in from places that either have a stop sign, yield sign, or somewhere where they had to YIELD. That is what I am saying, not necessarily in the SAME TIME, but the time that the people are close to the traffic light.
"Do you realize how SELFISH that sounds to think of "YOURSELF"
Mrs. Pot meet Mr. Kettle"
I am thinking of ALL the people BEHIND me as well as myself, YOU are ONLY thinking of that ONE vehicle coming out, NOT anyone else that has RIGHT-OF-WAY that would like to TRY to make the next light without it turning red.
See, I let people in if they are on the ROADWAY, meaning there are NO signs or RIGHT-OF-WAYS. For instance, even the other day, they had some construction and I let one car in from the lane that was blocked. The difference is, they are on the ROAD already, so that is TOTATLLY DIFFERENT. I also will brake some, but NOT all the way, to let someone in to my lane if they are changing lanes and have their signal on. It is still COMPLETELY DIFFERENT because they are ALREADY on the road, where as when I have a green light, I GO, NOT STOP for them, which would be BLOCKING TRAFFIC when there is really NO NEED to. Especially when traffic is light. One time I remember a car stopped BEFORE the red light to let someone in and LITERALLY could have went 3 cars after. The traffic wasn't heavy, but people are SO CONCERNED with ONE car that HAS to by LAW YIELD or STOP to the people on the road. You don't consider that there are people BEHIND you that would like to go at the green. ALL you CARE ABOUT is the person at the stop signs or places of business that HAVE TO STOP and YIELD, YOU are suppose to stop for them, that is WRONG and VERY INCONSIDERATE to ALL the people behind you.
Don't you get that if there's a situation like the one I wrote about that has 2 lanes going the same direction and a third right-turn only lane, that if there is a gas station in the middle of the lane, that if you decide to let someone in heavy traffic at a red light, that, that holds up the right-turn only lane if the car that you let in wants to go STRAIGHT, meaning, that ALL the traffic behind you has to WAIT for the traffic to start moving when the light turns green? When they COULD HAVE turned right on red possibly. Also, by letting the person in at the red light that makes the person BLOCK the intersection because they are pulled in sideways, which is TRULY BLOCKING THE INTERSECTION WHICH IS ILLEGAL! At least in Louisiana it is illegal to block an intersection. As I said in a previous posts, that DID HAPPEN. So my husband and I had to sit there as well as ALL the traffic for this ONE person that just had to be rude to STOP in the MIDDLE of the road and the person that JUST had to pull out couldn't have just BACKED up not to BLOCK EVERYONE in that lane, which also made the next lane STOP to let him in. If I would have been in that lane, I WOULDN'T have let him in because he was BLOCKING EVERYONE, HOW RUDE and SELFISH of that person to BLOCK 2 lanes of traffic for HIMSELF. It didn't benefit ANYONE except the person that was let in. Not even the person in front of us that let him in benefitted from this. It DELAYED EVERYONE behind us as well as the lane next to us. It more delayed the people in the right-turn only lane because we could have turned right on red possibly if it was clear, but NO, we had to be BLOCKED the entire time of the light and then had to wait for traffic to move in the lane the person wanted to get in. HOW INCONSIDERATE of BOTH people to do that? For one, the person that let the person in, which ALL the people in the right-turn only lane WOULDN'T have been blocked if it wasn't for that person. Secondly, the person that pulled out when that person KNEW he had to YIELD to ALL OF US, HOW RUDE! Then to see the person was blocking us, that that person couldn't have BACK UP out of CONSIDERATION FOR EVERYONE that was being BLOCKED, but NO, we were ALL TRAPPED the ENTIRE LIGHT. What INCONSIDERATE people in the world that don't follow the law NOT to BLOCK an INTERSECTION, which that person WAS!
As I stated before, WHY have the rules if NOBODY follows them? There must be SOME REASON that the rules are what they are that green means go, stop means stop, and yield means yield.
Since that someone is also traffic I would be impending traffic by not letting him in. Anyways I don't think any court in this country will convict you of impending traffic for starting to accelerate 2 seconds later. I will say again it is common courtesy to let someone in if you are already stopped. Heck traffic is held up more with hybrid drivers acclereating real slow trying to get the best mileage than anyone letting someone in.
To be completely honest saying letting someone in is holding up traffic is akin to saying not flooring it the instant the light turns green is holding up traffic. So lets be honest here do you floor it out of a green light? because if you don't you might be holding up traffic behind you. (Yeah I know its an idiotic example but then again so is your complaint)
Example: Let's say a car is in front of me on a two-lane same-direction road. There is heavy traffic on both sides. I stop BEFORE the intersection not to block it. If the person pulls out while the light is red, "THEY" are NOW blocking the intersection which is ILLEGAL.
Ok am I correct in presuming that "the person" is on another street (the set up suggests it)? If so then according to you that person cannot win. You see if that person pulls out before the light turns green you say that they are blocking the intersection. But if they wait they still block the intersection.
Same thing with a place of business that has no stop sign. If you let them in at the green, then they aren't YIELDING like the law states to.
Now if you stop before the exit and yield the right of way to them then they are not breaking the law. This is something called common courtesy learn it.
I am thinking of ALL the people BEHIND me as well as myself,
No you are thinking of yourself. come on those people behind you barely notice any delay, if at all. I gaurentee you that if you didn't see the car in front of you let someone in you wouldn't notice the delay.
they had some construction and I let one car in from the lane that was blocked. The difference is, they are on the ROAD already,
Actually there is no difference, the law states that the vehicle merging into another lane has to yield right of way to traffic already in the lane they are merging into. If you let one car in you are doing the EXACT SAME THING as what you are complaining about.
One time I remember a car stopped BEFORE the red light to let someone in and LITERALLY could have went 3 cars after.
Since it was a red light who pray tell was inconvienced? What you got to the red light a few seconds later, oh my god thats terrible.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
Me..... It's all about me! What about you?! What about you? It's all about mememememememememememememememememememememememememe........... ME! Stay out of my way, stay out of my day...
Honestly, I think you are going to have a heart attack if you worry so much about someone being so rude and wanting to get in front of you. One of your recent posts were so long I just couldn't read it; my eyes started to cross. :confuse:
I just don't worry too much about what others are doing. I watch out for my safety and not worry if I'm going to be late by a few minutes because someone was in a bigger hurry than me.
I'm currently on a driving trip for five days... while on the interstate, I will let the "big rigs" in when climbing a hill because no one else will let them. Now, I don't want them pulling out right in front of me as I'm passing them but if they signal, I'll give'm space.
Let the water roll off your back, you will sleep better.
Mark :shades:
"So lets be honest here do you floor it out of a green light?"
Actually MOST of the time I DO! I sometimes make a light that the person behind me doesn't make.
"If you let one car in you are doing the EXACT SAME THING as what you are complaining about."
Actually, it's NOT the EXACT same thing. If I let someone in on the road that has their signal on, if they can't get into the lane they want to be in, they may have to go a half a mile or so to make a u-turn, possibly waiting in lots of traffic to get back to the turn they missed or they will block traffic to get into the lane they need to be in a LOT longer if I didn't let them in. If the person is at a place of business, stop sign, or yield sign, it REALLY DOESN'T make them waste much gas or ANY mileage. It only makes them wait longer to go. Plus, there's another difference, since the law states "THEY" have to stop or yield, then "THEY" should be stopping or yielding, NOT the people that are SUPPOSE to GO. I didn't make the laws, so don't be mad at me. YOU, however are BREAKING the law by BLOCKING TRAFFIC.
"I am thinking of ALL the people BEHIND me as well as myself,
No you are thinking of yourself. come on those people behind you barely notice any delay, if at all. I gaurentee you that if you didn't see the car in front of you let someone in you wouldn't notice the delay."
I WOULD notice a delay because I would be the FIRST person at the red light that didn't make the green or yellow at the particular time I COULD HAVE. Also, people DO NOTICE. That's BULL! I am thinking of OTHERS TOO, NOT just myself. What you said is NOT a true statement at ALL. Do you honestly think I want to get honked on for stopping for someone that is suppose to yield? HECK NO!
I have been honked on at a yield sign when there was traffic coming. People are really mean because I do the RIGHT thing, which is FOLLOW THE LAW. I have sat at a yield sign for 2 minutes or so a bunch of times because there was traffic coming, but then when it stopped, the light turned green, which the traffic before them started to go, so instead of pulling in front of them at the green, I YIELDED like I was suppose to by LAW! I have seen one time a blond lady at a non-u-turn area which goes across to a Wal-greens, when I happen to be at a u-turn, she just started to go as a car was coming. I thought that was insane, but she just did anyway, ONLY thinking of HERSELF. I thought of the LAW and the people that had RIGHT-OF-WAY, which was NOT me. So QUIT saying I am only thinking of myself, when it's YOU who worrys about if the person is reading a map at a light, as if the person that is reading a map shouldn't pay attention just as much to the light. The person should be paying attention. Today, there was a vehicle in front of me at a red light. It turned green, I noticed the person just sat there. I layed my hand on the horn for about 3-4 seconds, which is SO RIDICULOUS when she was the FIRST person in line. The person shouldn't be just sitting at a green light. That person honked their horn as if I was being mean to them, when THAT PERSON was the one being mean to ME by not paying attention. If they are rude to me, I'll be rude back. That is the WAY it SHOULD BE. Treat others the way you'd like to be treated. It wouldn't take me but a second if someone honked on me to go. It didn't the time I was going to turn right on red one time, but the light turned green, so I got honked on DESERVEABLE. I moved the first second they honked. I didn't just sit there like some people do. I deserved the honk for not paying attention, but that person today didn't act like they deserved it because they honked back at me. They DID deserve it for NOT paying attention, which DELAYED ME. I have the decency to think of OTHERS BEHIND ME to TRY TO PAY ATTENTION. That is NOT being selfish at ALL.
"Now if you stop before the exit and yield the right of way to them then they are not breaking the law. This is something called common courtesy learn it."
WHY do I keep having to explain this. It is NOT common courtesy to ALL the people BEHIND YOU. It is ONLY courteous to that ONE person. By law, I am NOT suppose to yield right-of-way to a person that has a stop sign, yield sign, or a person that is suppose to yield because they are pulling out of either their driveway or a place of business. I am suppose to GO when the traffic starts moving if I am on the roadway. Common courteousy is NOT to let someone in from a stop sign, yield sign, or place of business, UNLESS you there is NOONE BEHIND you, then it's courteous to just delay YOURSELF ONLY, but to delay other people behind you is DISCOURTEOUS to those people. Don't you get that? It's enough that I only think of the person that needs to get into a lane, I don't want to think of the people that have to stop or yield to me. Then I would NEVER be considerate to the people BEHIND me, EVER. That is what you are doing, NEVER being considerate to people behind you, which I am. I may think of the person that has their signal, which needs to get into the lane I am in, but I don't think of EVERYBODY that has to be let in, YOU DO for some UNKNOWN reason? I at least consider people BEHIND me when I drive. Sure I may be stopping traffic sometimes if it's heavy for a lane that is blocked to let someone in, but you seem to do it ALL THE TIME, I at least do it SOMETIMES. I also am not letting people in that have to yield or stop, especially if they have an actually yield or stop sign.
I just feel WHY have the rules such as a stop sign meaning stop or yield sign meaning yield, if you STOP or YIELD to them? That DOESN'T make ANY sense considering THEY have the stop or yield sign, LET THEM YIELD OR STOP like the LAW states.
I bet your the type of person in a parking lot that will sit with their signal on to wait for a space. I NEVER have done that unless the person is backing up. If the people aren't even in the car yet, I will NEVER block a lane. I actually am CONSIDERATE to OTHERS, you aren't to the people BEHIND YOU EVER it seems.
Those things on the end of your fingers are called callouses. :P
Mark
So, what is wrong with that. I see that once in a while and many times it is an elderly senior driver waiting for a close parking space. Some of these seniors do not qualify for disabled parking spaces, but nonetheless have trouble walking and need to park close to the store or building.
Also, think that it is inconsiderate to use car horn except for emergency involving a safety situation. I wish that I had some type of counter on my car horn out of curiousity. Think that at most, I might use it a handful of times per year and drive almost every day.
Yes it is, like the person trying to exit a gas station the person merging has to yield right of way and cannot merge until safe to do so. Legally they have to wait until it is safe to do so just like the guy pulling out of the gas station. Yielding that right of way to some one who is merging lanes is the same thing as yielding right of way to someone pulling out on the road. In both cases they had to yield right of way and in both cases being courteous means inconviencing those behind you (although only by a few seconds at most).
WHY do I keep having to explain this.
because your explanation doesn't make sense unless you are being selfish. Those people behind me are no more inconvienced by that as they are by someone accelerating a little slower than the guy in front of them. They are delayed by what 2 seconds? which means to arrive where they were going they would have to drive 2 inches an hour faster?
Lets look at it this way, if there are five cars behind me and I let someone in then all five cars are delayed 2 seconds which means I have delayed everyone in the world 10 seconds total. If I don't and that guy has to wait another 2 minutes I have delayed everyone in the world by two minutes which is longer than 10 seconds.
It is just common courtesy which apparently you do not have.
I just feel WHY have the rules such as a stop sign meaning stop or yield sign meaning yield, if you STOP or YIELD to them?
Oh and you never ever broken any rules? Ever speed?
Its not that you are not obeying the rules it is just that someone else is yielding their right of way which is permissible to an extend.
I bet your the type of person in a parking lot that will sit with their signal on to wait for a space.
You don't win many bets do you. First off what has that to do with the price of rhubarb? Secondly I tend to park at the first empty spot I come to.
I will NEVER block a lane. I actually am CONSIDERATE to OTHERS,
Yeah the underlying tone of all of this is "Me first how dare you even think of holding me back even for a second".
Learn some common courtesy.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
You said: "So, what is wrong with that."
If you are BLOCKING someone from coming down the lane and there is someone behind the person you are blocking, you've TRAPPED them LITERALLY for YOUR space. That IS pretty darn SELFISH. I have NEVER done that. ONLY if a car is backing out, which sometimes the person will pull out anyway, so sometimes I don't even have a choice. I NEVER just sit for a minute or more to make someone else wait for MY space. That is SO INCONSIDERATE. The person behind me either wants to get home or has shopping to do themselves. Think of OTHER people BEHIND you. So, there's A LOT WRONG with that.
"I see that once in a while and many times it is an elderly senior driver waiting for a close parking space. Some of these seniors do not qualify for disabled parking spaces, but nonetheless have trouble walking and need to park close to the store or building."
So what you are saying is that "THEIR" time is more important than someone else's time? I think NOT! I understand they may not be able to walk well, but there are TOOLS to help people like that like walkers or wheelchairs. You can't say that it's really FAIR to inconvenience someone just because they are YOUNG, that's PURE DISCRIMINATION. Treat everyone EQUALLY. NO FAVORITISM, that is ONLY FAIR.
It's ridiculous that you are ONLY concerned with the elderly people that have trouble walking, but not EVERYONE ELSE that doesn't have trouble walking.
I've also have seen PLENTY of young people block me.
First, now that they are in front of me, they are no longer really a hazard to me, except the wreck they may cause up ahead that will stop traffic for an hour...
Secondly, and more important to me, I thought of something offbeat...maybe that person is experiencing a crisis that we do not know about...maybe rushing a gunshot wound/stab victim to the ER, maybe taking a laboring wife to ER, maybe sudden urge to require bathroom facilities, maybe they were injured and trying to drive to ER, maybe about to miss a plane flight, and a thousand other things...
Before you post and tell me how they are placing the other "mythical" party (injury victim, laboring wife) at risk by their reckless driving, I agree with you...but, still, I just assume that they may have a good reason for driving that way, so rather than get enraged (which won't really do me any good anyway) I just wish them well, hope all is well, and am still quite happy that they are now in front of me instead of behind me...
I used to blow my blood pressure at traffic jams, and for what???...now, I just put in a Yanni CD and listen to soothing music, and I get there when I get there...:):)
Lords1 is a heart attach waiting to happen. :sick:
Mark
Lords1 - you are on target with a lot of what you post. I agree with a lot of what you are saying -- I can feel my blood pressure rising as I wait for the person blocking the parking lot lane to finally get into their spot. Sometimes this transaction takes a few minutes, and of course I am held hostage along with the people behind me. That is plain rude.
The thing about letting people in: if I'm the person in a long line of cars who has to wait until the light cycles 3 or 4 times, because other drivers are being "considerate" I say the drivers on the main road should go. It really irks me when the car in front of me is a "considerate" driver and I miss the light and have to wait another 3 minutes.
Honestly how many times has this happened to you? How many times has someone let a car in and you end up missing the light only because of that? To be honest I can not think of any time that has happened to me.
I mean your more inconvienced by someone acclereating slower than the person in front of them.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
You said: "So, what is wrong with that."
Still say nothing wrong with that in case that I cited of an elderly senior waiting for a close space. I said nothing of blocking. Situations I usually encounter, the senior is off to the side of the lane, not blocking and leaves space for cars to go around. Would agree that anyone, including seniors, who block "narrow" parking lot lanes waiting for a space are inconsiderate. Don't know what solution is for them, but I do have compassion for their physical limitations having had elderly senior parents and relatives that walk with great difficulty.
I often am held back at a light that lets about 5 cars make a left turn at a main T intersection because people let others out of a Speedway. The Speedway people can go around the block the other direction in many cases and go down the same road and don't need to make a left turn across the waiting traffic.
I'm often delayed by the do-gooder who gets through the light themself but causes others behind to have to wait.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
"It really irks me when the car in front of me is a "considerate" driver and I miss the light and have to wait another 3 minutes."
kdshapiro is RIGHT. There are SO MANY TIMES where I miss the light because of either the first person NOT PAYING ATTENTION or the person sits at a GREEN(which means GO, NOT CONTINUE TO STOP BY LAW)
kdshapiro is RIGHT. There are SO MANY TIMES where I miss the light because of either the first person NOT PAYING ATTENTION or the person sits at a GREEN(which means GO, NOT CONTINUE TO STOP BY LAW), which DELAYS EVERYONE ELSE BEHIND THAT PERSON. Be considerate for ONCE in your life to the people BEHIND you that HAVE, BY LAW, RIGHT-OF-WAY. You are NO POLICE OFFICER to HALT traffic for that ONE person that is at a gas station or wherever. I have to GO at the GREEN LIGHT because the LAW STATES SO, otherwise I am IMPEDING TRAFFIC.
I can maybe see is the person at a gas station has waited about 5 minutes to let this person in, but it just seems that the VERY FIRST MOMENT someone is ready to pull out, which sometimes the person at the place of business hasn't even waited as long as I have at this light gets LET IN BEFORE ME. I have waited LONGER than that person that DOESN'T, BY LAW have right-of-way, so there is NO WAY that is COURTEOUS to people that are in line BEHIND this person that lets this person in.
I have seen SO MANY times where a person is just getting finished at the gas station literally 10 seconds before the light turns green and they get let in. That's just UNFAIR, when if I am on the road as well as the people BEHIND me, they should GO at the green. That person is SUPPOSE to WAIT BY LAW to go, NOT EVERYONE on the road at a GREEN light, when they didn't even wait 30 seconds even. That's just plain WRONG to ONLY think EVERYTIME of the people at a place of business or at a stop sign. I don't ALWAYS let people in if I have to slow down from like 40 to 20 just to let them in, that's just UNSAFE. A person could rear end me if I would do that by breaking fast, so I wouldn't want to risk that again. If people would just have their signals on, then I'd KNOW to try to slow down so I COULD let them in. The difference is, the people on the roadway actually have RIGHT-OF-WAY with NO SIGNS to speak of. They are NOT pulling out. Yes, granting, when they are changing lanes, I am yielding to them to let them in if the lane is blocked from construction or whatever, but that is just SO DIFFERENT. If they are on the roadway, they have NO SIGNS to speak of. They are still SUPPOSE to be moving, so in order for people to continue to move, just like an interstate highway, you HAVE to let someone in, otherwise, the people at the blocked lane or yield sign would be waiting a half an hour instead of 3 minutes. I am MORE mad about the people that let people in when literally the person could have pulled out 3 cars after mine. It's like ALL, just like YOU, are ONLY concerned with the people PULLING OUT, NEVER the people in the back. See, I take turns with that issue. I DON'T always think of the people in the back of me, but I also DON'T only think of the people coming out. I just go by the LAW, which states, THEY, the people that are PULLING OUT, HAVE TO YIELD TO the people on the roadway, plain and simple. You break the law, as well as, ONLY consider the people coming out, NEVER, EVER, the people BEHIND you, I actually consider the people BEHIND ME's FEELINGS as well as MY OWN, and the fact that the LAW STATES I am SUPPOSE to go at the green light. Also, I don't want to get honked on for being inconsiderate to people BEHIND me.
The basic thing I don't get is WHY you can't think of people BEHIND you sometimes, instead of ALWAYS thinking of the people coming out? I at LEAST let people in if they have their signal on, if they want to change lanes, so I do think of those people, but you NEVER, EVER seem to think of others BEHIND YOU. Common Courtesy goes both ways, meaning if someone just at the last 3 seconds of the light comes to pull out, you SHOULDN'T let them in out of COMMON COURTESY to the people waiting a COUPLE of MINUTES at the light. The next group will let them in. Be NICE to people that have WAITED LONGER to GO. Think about COMMON COURTEOUSY to THOSE PEOPLE.
What I am saying is that I am NOT so SELFISH as to JUST to think of ONLY ONE group. WHY can't you see you ARE being that way?
"Oh and you never ever broken any rules? Ever speed?"
I have sped in my lifetime, but I haven't in a REALLY LONG TIME, more like YEARS. I have only 1 ticket to speak of and that is from an accident that was my fault. That WASN'T from speeding. I changed lanes to quickly and didn't look good enough, my fault COMPLETELY. I have NEVER had a speeding ticket in my lifetime. I can't change my pasts, but I DO, do the speed limit now, not EVER, EVER go over. If I need to get into a lane, I'll either slow down BELOW speed limit or make a U-Turn, but I will NOT speed up to pass the person. That is ILLEGAL to speed to pass someone. Sure, I have in my lifetime, but I follow the rules now. I really don't think it's worth working just to pay a ticket as well as a higher insurance rate. It's just NOT worth getting home or whereever, 10 minutes sooner.
"It is just that someone else is yielding their right of way which is permissible to an extend."
It is NOT permissable to extend a person to say you have right-of-way, ONLY a POLICE OFFICER, EMT or AMBULANCE DRIVER or FIRE TRUCK DRIVER can do that. You have NO RIGHTS to say a person that LITERALLY by LAW has RIGHT-0F-WAY.
"First off what has that to do with the price of rhubarb?"
Don't even know what a "Rhubarb" is. This is a forum for "Inconsiderate drivers." So a price of something is something I am NOT interested in, in this forum.
"Yeah the underlying tone of all of this is "Me first how dare you even think of holding me back even for a second"."
So, think about if you were TRAPPED in between 2 vehicles for 4 minutes, when you wanted to get your shopping DONE or you were finished but wanted to get home, but some SELFISH person decides "THEIR" space is worth "YOUR" TIME waiting for. That is just MEAN, WRONG, and SELFISH. You are not only wasting GAS, which is MONEY, but your wasting TIME as well. I have pulled BACK into a space when I see someone coming. The ONLY way I pull out of a space is if I see they WANT my space by stopping and having their signal on, then I know they are waiting for ME to pull out. I WON'T make people wait for ME to pull out. That's just WRONG and INCONSIDERATE, plain and simple. I think of other's BEHIND me.
Don't feel bad; everybody slows down when they get old =].
That's a major part of the problem. The "do-gooder" often lets in the poor person at the station while holding back traffic behind them.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
From what others have been saying, they're also repetitive and tiresome. Take a few deep breaths and relax, please!
A little courtesy goes a long way on the road, as the old saying goes. Absolute, rigid adherence to the rules of the road isn't always a good idea. (I can't believe I'm saying this, but it certainly applies here.)
I always appreciate it in when someone lets me out of a gas station, etc. in heavy traffic when I might have to wait **forever** to get out.
I'm not going to get into a back-and-forth with you, so please don't bother addressing me.
Thanks!
After a drive in the rain last night, I'd like to see some folks enrolled in high beam ettiquette classes. :shades:
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
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So he gets to the top of the rise, still over 1/4 mile away and I flash again.
ZIP
So I grit my teeth and wait... and he keeps coming, high beams on and extra lights below the bumper blazing, completely oblivious to the fact that I could see NOTHING between the rain and his roilling impersonation of the sun.
Speaking of high beams, I accidentally left mine on the other night while rounding a slight left hand bend while two oncoming cars passed me by on a 2-lane road. Neither flashed me.
This was because I had left the trip computer display in the "elapsed time" mode and my wife asked at that very moment about the "temperature."
I thought she meant the climate control setting, and not the outside air temp display. So while I was looking at the climate controls and then realized she wanted the outside temp displayed, I forgot about the high beams.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
Maybe some reckless drivers have a legitimate need to drive that way, but I'll bet anything that 99% of them are driving recklessly because they're careless idiots.
Besides, even facing a real emergency is rarely any reason to drive in too extreme a manner. One of the things police officers are taught is that you can't respond effectively to an emergency call if you crash getting there.
HID lights aren't the problem, poorly installed fakes are. Those are probably the bouncy ones you see, imad. On that subject, does GM still used sealed-beams?
As for bathroom breaks, well having been there and done that, when absolutely necessary, I look for a safe place off the road and head for some cover. On interstates, I wait for the nearest exit.
I believe Ford also has them on base F-Series heavy-duty models.
They say tonight we might get a little snow event....tomorrow morning should be good for ditched SUVs
Regards,
Kyle
How'd you like to have a loved one involved in a serious crash and have Lethal Towing show up?
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
BTW, the car he was driving was a 745Li with a Notre Dame vanity plate. Since I like BMWs, I'm going to assume the passive-aggressive thing was a Notre Dame trait.
Most importantly, since I can do NOTHING to stop them from recklessness, not only am I safer with them in front of mw instead of behind me, but changing my mindset just means that my blood pressure does not blow off in anger at them for driving like idiots...it is more for me than for them...they will be idiots regardless of what I do, so I just wish them well and go back to my Billy Joel CD...
james
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
You are fired! :mad: