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  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,423
    "Actually the laws were justified"

    ROFL yeah.

    And hey, at least that minivan woman said sorry! Most inconsiderate drivers are 100x worse simply due to their oblivion.
  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,688
    Agree there should be ... some type of annual vehicle inspection by all states.

    Why? To what end is this a means? Very few crashes/fatalities occur due to mechanical failure, so the expense would hardly justify the predicted results.

    Many people DO push the envelope. A large 55mph road with many uncontrolled side access streets is definitely not a candidate for higher speed limits, yet folks routinely drive 65-70+ on them as if there is no possibility in the world that someone will actually access the roadway from those side routes. Sure, vehicles are getting better, but reaction times are still the same... :surprise:

    During the winter months, I drive 55-60ish unless conditions warrant a slower speed. I rarely come across vehicles driving significantly faster. During the summer, I drive 55-60ish on these same roads unless conditions warrant a slower speed. 6/10s of traffic passes me by an easy 10 mph, even though people routinely access from these side roads and collisions/near hits are commonplace simply due to excess speeds and short LOS. :sick:
    2018 Subaru Crosstrek, 2014 Audi Q7 TDI, 2013 Subaru Forester, 2013 Ford F250 Lariat D, 1976 Ford F250, 1969 Chevrolet C20, 1969 Ford Econoline 100
  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,688
    Sorry 'bout that.

    How about parking lots for oblivious drivers?????

    My favorite is being parked between two full-size pickups (in my Subaru) and having to back out blindly. I go slowly, to ensure that I do not clip anyone already in the "danger zone" behind me and allowing anyone outside of that area ample time to stop. Then, HOOOOOOONNNNNK!, as a little Civic/SUV et. al. zooms by at probably 25 mph. ? In a busy parking lot??? Wow. :surprise:
    2018 Subaru Crosstrek, 2014 Audi Q7 TDI, 2013 Subaru Forester, 2013 Ford F250 Lariat D, 1976 Ford F250, 1969 Chevrolet C20, 1969 Ford Econoline 100
  • gogogodzillagogogodzilla Member Posts: 707
    I tend to park toward the back half of parking lots, simply so I won't have many cars parked around my vehicle.

    Yet, over the last weekend, I found that within 5 seconds of me parking, someone would park right next to my car (on the driver's side)... Right as I was opening the door.

    Why... why... WHY do so many people find it imperative to park next to me?

    I make sure to park farther away from the everyday mass of parked cars so other drivers can park closer (and yet still not be near my car).

    Yet they still park next to me, ignoring all the closer spots.

    What is it about having to park next to someone that is right in the process of exiting his car that is so utterly compelling to so many Maryland drivers?

    :confuse:

    (Ever single time I would park on Saturday, on Sunday, on Monday, and today!!!)

    :mad: :mad: :mad:
  • ctalkctalk Member Posts: 646
    I've had that happen to me many times. What I think is, these drivers want to be far away from the crowd like you. But do not want to be completely alone. By being alone, it kind of show cases their car which some people may not like. They'd rather park next to a car for a sense of security?
    My Guess :confuse: :P

    Or...it may be because you own such a nice car :shades:

    They want to check out your ride ;)
  • euphoniumeuphonium Member Posts: 3,425
    The speed limit is 70 while 60 for trucks. The 18 wheelers dominate the middle and outside lanes at 70 plus miles per hour. The truckers in the middle lane stay there because they are avoiding vehicles coming onto the freeway. It is also against the law for any vehicle towing anything or weighing over 10,000 lbs to drive in the Inside Lane. What I observed was a line of cars in the Inside Lane following each other at between 70 & 75 mph. Because of the volume of truckers in the other two lanes, the cars stayed in the "Passing" lane. One could think, "Look at all those Left Lane Campers, but the line of LLC were moving at or a little above the limit. I joined the back of the line and we all passed the truckers eventually. Such is the I-5 between Seattle and Portland.
    Conclusion: When the volume of traffic is so high and concentrated, it's O K to be a LLC. :)
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,676
    are a continual problem. The driver's don't know they're driving distracted. Has anyone seen a jammer for cell phones for cars? Maybe a kit that one can build llike the HeathKit I built my stereo from!

    2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,

  • euphoniumeuphonium Member Posts: 3,425
    A multitude of frequencies prevails for Cellphones preventing such jammers from being invented, produced, and marketed.

    Heathkit

    Anybody who knows "Heathkit" is a geriatric. My first SW radio was Heathkit. It was replaced by a Hallicrafter Sky Buddy. Big tubes, high antenna = Radio Moscow, WWL, & KSL.
  • rockyleerockylee Member Posts: 14,017
    Why don't we create an autobahn somewhere in this country ???? I'm even willing to go to a driving acedemy to drive on it. :D Well maybe the Chinese will build one in this country. With all their purchases of infrastructure like highways, they can take a percentage of toll money and build us one. :sick:

    Rocky
  • xrunner2xrunner2 Member Posts: 3,062
    Yet, over the last weekend, I found that within 5 seconds of me parking, someone would park right next to my car (on the driver's side)... Right as I was opening the door.

    Yeah, this is irritating, maybe inconsiderate. Many times, if I am still in car when this happens, I will start engine and drive away to another part of lot. I will always do this if vehicle is big van, suv, jacked up pu and has one or more passengers.
  • xrunner2xrunner2 Member Posts: 3,062
    there should be ... some type of annual vehicle inspection by all states.

    Why? To what end is this a means? Very few crashes/fatalities occur due to mechanical failure, so the expense would hardly justify the predicted results.


    Don't know what part of US you are in. There are some states that have a lot of "undocumented" persons driving clapped-out beaters. There are also lots of people driving "modified", jacked up pus and other stuff that should not be on the road. Required testing, and appropriate markings on license tags, will help reduce the amount of these beaters, and maybe even help mitigate the "undocumented" problem with good police procedures.
  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,688
    Ah. Bias. I see. That is as good of a reason as any. :sick:
    2018 Subaru Crosstrek, 2014 Audi Q7 TDI, 2013 Subaru Forester, 2013 Ford F250 Lariat D, 1976 Ford F250, 1969 Chevrolet C20, 1969 Ford Econoline 100
  • gee35coupegee35coupe Member Posts: 3,387
    Bald tires, lights out, or even worn tie rods and bushings is dangerous. If you are going to say that these don't make a difference, it's hard to take any argument against a 10 mph difference in speed seriously.

    Even poorly modified cars are dangerous. Cutting or heating springs instead of buying a nice set of Eibachs.

    Even I'll admit safetly, training, speed limits, and maintenance all go hand in hand. It'll make driving a little more expensive but it'll be worth it in the long run. It would make driving safer on ALL roads.
  • 210delray210delray Member Posts: 4,721
    Bald tires, lights out, or even worn tie rods and bushings [are] dangerous.

    I agree, wholeheartedly. But carefully done studies show that the vast majority of crashes are caused by driver error, not mechanical failure, as someone noted above.

    Also, studies of periodic inspections show them to be ineffective in keeping crash rates down in comparison to states that don't have such inspections.

    Why? We don't know for sure, but probably because of driver error being the main cause of crashes. Also, in many states like mine (VA), you can always find a "mechanic" who'll give you an "inspection" without looking at the car. And some people will cheat, for example, by taking off worn tires and borrowing a buddy's good tires just to get their vehicle through inspection.
  • gee35coupegee35coupe Member Posts: 3,387
    You can have studies that show whatever you want. Especially something as vague as trying to find cause in an accident. I mean, what did they study? The same reports that link "speeding" to any accident where someone might have been going over the speed limit? Even though it was obvious that wasn't the real cause of the accident. Or the study that said anyone with a .08 blood-alchohol level is drunk.

    Make a decent penalty for "cheating" and increase it greatly if that "cheating" can be linked to a wreck. And seriously punish any inspector caught providing illegal stickers.

    Additionally, the inspections are only part of the whole equation. All of the improvement go hand in hand. And it has to be nationwide or it'll be ineffective.
  • xrunner2xrunner2 Member Posts: 3,062
    Ah. Bias. I see. That is as good of a reason as any

    There is no bias involved in stating a fact as long as slurs are not used. Better term would be illegal alien. There is nothing wrong with US citizens wanting safer roads to drive on, whether the issue is people (illegals and citizens) driving unsafe cars or non-citizens driving without paperwork or auto insurance. They are the ones being "inconsiderate".

    Appears that DOT of Virginia has problems in administering its inspection program. Some regions of country have auto emissions tests that are run very strictly. It is possible to have competent and fraud-free auto tests.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,423
    I'd love to see inspections here.

    Really, if one life is saved, or even one set of injuries are avoided, it is worth it.
  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,688
    Oh, right! Illegal aliens. I did not quite follow you with the "undocumented" bit. I was referring to the "There are also lots of people driving "modified", jacked up pus and other stuff that should not be on the road. Required testing, and appropriate markings on license tags, will help reduce the amount of these beaters" reasoning as bias. Sheesh, I should have been right with you on that one considering I spent better than 1/2 my life in northeastern Oregon...... :blush:

    Education is certainly the key. People should be required to know much more about what they drive than just how to turn the key, start the engine, and operate the wheel & pedals. If not, find public transit.
    2018 Subaru Crosstrek, 2014 Audi Q7 TDI, 2013 Subaru Forester, 2013 Ford F250 Lariat D, 1976 Ford F250, 1969 Chevrolet C20, 1969 Ford Econoline 100
  • 210delray210delray Member Posts: 4,721
    I see you already have your mind made up.

    If studies showed "whatever you want," we'd still be living in the Dark Ages, and modern science would never have happened. We'd still be consulting astrologers, fortune tellers, and witch doctors.

    No use arguing the point any further, and the host said to cool it as well, so I'm done.
  • 210delray210delray Member Posts: 4,721
    Appears that DOT of Virginia has problems in administering its inspection program. Some regions of country have auto emissions tests that are run very strictly. It is possible to have competent and fraud-free auto tests.

    Actually it's VDOT, but they don't run the safety inspection program. The VA state police administer it instead, and as you can imagine, their understaffing makes it hard for effective enforcement. But locally, "Drunken Dave" lost his inspection license because apparently someone reported him.

    I think the problem with having any service station or car repair shop apply for inspection licenses opens the door wide to shady operators. OTOH, having the state government run the program would severely limit the number of places offering the inspections, which would lead to long waits.

    DC's system was like that, and it was a nightmare. (You couldn't make appointments ahead of time -- you just showed up and waited -- forever.)
  • 210delray210delray Member Posts: 4,721
    With all due respect, xwesx, and I really enjoy your posts, there is no practical way to "educate" 150 million or so drivers effectively. For one thing, how would we pay for it, when the mantra is "no new taxes"?

    We can't even educate our public school students adequately in far too many places.
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,676
    The same people who want everyone to have their freedom are the ones to complain when that doesn't work out. I was tailgated by a young girl talking on her cellphone and thinking how cool she is in her low slung red little car. I don't know the brand.

    I have learned that the sharper the car looks, especially in red, the more dangerous the teenage driver is.

    2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,

  • PF_FlyerPF_Flyer Member Posts: 9,372
    I know it's easy to get off on a tangent, but we're not here to discuss charter schools, etc.

    I've removed a couple of off topic posts to keep us from going completely off in a non-automotive directions.
  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel Member Posts: 19,592
    We'd still be consulting astrologers, fortune tellers, and witch doctors.

    Well to be honest buy the number of fortune tellers and astrologers out there many still do. Even John Edwards makes a small fortune convincing people he talks to dead people.

    2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D

  • rockyleerockylee Member Posts: 14,017
    Even John Edwards makes a small fortune convincing people he talks to dead people.

    What do you mean by that ?

    Rocky
  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel Member Posts: 19,592
    What do you mean by that ?

    I mean he goes around and convinces people he is talking to dead friends and/or relatives and he makes good money off of it. He even had a TV show on cable where he did that.

    2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D

  • rockyleerockylee Member Posts: 14,017
    Are you talking about Senator John Edwards ? :surprise:

    Rocky
  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel Member Posts: 19,592
    No, notice the lack of the word "Senator".

    2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D

  • rockyleerockylee Member Posts: 14,017
    Ok.....Thank-God, I was like Whoa ! :confuse:

    I am seriously considering voting for this guy
    (Sen. Edwards) next election. ;)

    Rocky
  • gee35coupegee35coupe Member Posts: 3,387
    It too expensive to train the drivers and inspect the cars so lets just not do it. Maybe they aren't inconsiderate, just ignorant drivers in dangerous cars. That adds a whole new dimension to the problem.

    And Georgia is thinking of abolishing the vehicle tax next year. Maybe they ought to use the money to bring back driver education and inspections or something useful like that.
  • rockyleerockylee Member Posts: 14,017
    Vehicle Tax ? on purchases ? or is it a yearly tax ?

    Rocky
  • travlertravler Member Posts: 138
    Even if they through it out he still has to take the time to go sit in court waiting his turn, and he'll still have to pay court costs. :sick:
  • gee35coupegee35coupe Member Posts: 3,387
    It's kinda like a property tax based on value. You pay it each year when you register.
  • rockyleerockylee Member Posts: 14,017
    ok we have that to. ;)

    Rocky
  • travlertravler Member Posts: 138
    I don't know what state you're from, but here several of my friends and I have noticed young girls, talking on cell phones, in a small red coupe, usually with their hair under a baseball cap, often smoking a cigarette. They are rude, pushy, and careless. They'll cut you off, cut in front of you, and ignore you, and drive on the edge of their skill level.

    It's a national phenomenon I guess. The cigarette and base ball cap depends on what part of town they live in.
  • 210delray210delray Member Posts: 4,721
    Those who are uneducated or under educated probably make up most of today's astrologers' and fortune tellers' clientele. (At least I hope so.) These are the same people who bet their retirement on winning the lottery, instead of saving up for it!
  • rockyleerockylee Member Posts: 14,017
    I wonder if Nacy reagan still see's her astrologer. :confuse:

    BTW- I agree with you 210delray

    Rocky
  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel Member Posts: 19,592
    I don't know, I was able to fool a Physic professor in college into thinking I had that type of ability by getting close to 75% on Zener ESP cards (guessing should get someone around 20%), and correctly predicting a coin toss over 200 times out of 250. We cheated.

    Plus there some other psychic tricks I pulled on him that he wasn't happy about when we came clean.

    2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D

  • 210delray210delray Member Posts: 4,721
    I know this is off topic, but I'm sure some psychics (not physics profs) and fortune tellers make a good income from party tricks (birthday, bachelor, etc.).
  • 210delray210delray Member Posts: 4,721
    ...is overrated, IMO.

    Just look in the mirror. Many of you have boasted right here of driving at insane speeds, road raging, and purposely damaging others' cars (keying). You know better of course, but you do it anyway.

    It's attitude more than knowledge that counts, IMO. Sure there are some truly clueless or incompetent drivers out there, but my guess is their numbers are small in comparison to those whose number one priority is ME ME ME, so get out of my way or let me alone in the left lane while I yak on my cell phone!

    So...we put our bucks where they would do the most good. Every year, some 17 million new vehicles are sold in the US. Why not continue to equip them with the latest safety features that are shown to be effective, such as electronic stability control?

    As far as enforcement, we can't afford to have more police on the roads, so why not use red-light cameras and speed cameras? They've been shown to be effective as well. And before you scream "Big Brother," why is it okay to be videotaped when you're in a bank, Wal-Mart, or 7-Eleven but not on a public street? (And if you obey the law on the street, you won't be videotaped, unlike the private businesses.)
  • gee35coupegee35coupe Member Posts: 3,387
    "why is it okay to be videotaped when you're in a bank, Wal-Mart, or 7-Eleven but not on a public street?"

    Because those are private property. Different rules apply. The government isn't supposed to turn into "Big Brother". Even if we allow such surveillance who's to say it won't be abused. We have such a system in place on our inner city highway in Atlanta, but it can't be used for speed inforcement.

    We already have GPS and cell-phone tracking. if you are willing to give up that much freedom, you might as well do away with freedom of speech too.
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,676
    I don't know about your area but...
    in this area the red light speed and red light cameras are used to replace cops who could easily be observant at intersections as they drive around and give out tickets that are more effective.

    The red light and speed cameras are at locations where locals know them and slow down for them. The ones who get caught are those who won't pay or out-of-towners who don't know the trick!!!

    The cameras are being sold by a company out of Arizona that makes most of the money!!! The local governments get llike 15$ out of 85$ of the money, on the ones they are able to collect-mostly the good people; the bad, don't pay.

    City of Dayton has millions outstanding in uncollected fees for their cameras. They even short-lighted one (or more) to collect even more money from those who didn't know it was there (out-of-towners) until it was in a letter to the editor.

    Just put a little more money into a policeman giving tickets at the same intersections for 1 hour per day randomly picked around the clock. That would mean less time at the donut shop and talking to the "girls" on the corners back in the alleys.

    2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,

  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel Member Posts: 19,592
    Why not continue to equip them with the latest safety features that are shown to be effective, such as electronic stability control?

    Well I will say this, the greatest safety feature for any car is the person driving it. Thats where Driver education comes in. If you want to equip a car with the best safety equipment put a properly trained driver behind the wheel.

    2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D

  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel Member Posts: 19,592
    Legally just by going outside into public you give consent to be photographed or videotaped.

    2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D

  • gee35coupegee35coupe Member Posts: 3,387
    Doesn't mean I want any illegal motion I make to be inforceable by that footage. Anything can be taken out of context. And it could get expensive to prove innocence when you are already considered guilty.

    Tickets for swerving to avoid animals or potholes. Or tickets for not coming to a COMPLETE stop at stop signs or throwing ice out of your window. I don't think so.

    I gues that's why the laws are the way they are. Compromises. Set the laws at a certain level to keep the safety loonies at bay, but inforce them with enough slack to let most of us normal people get where we need to go how we like to get there. I guess the system is just fine.
  • 210delray210delray Member Posts: 4,721
    All I can say is that conservative states like Texas, Arizona, and heaven forbid, Georgia, all allow red-light cameras. So it's not just flaming liberals behind this trend.

    I still don't see why you should expect more privacy on public property than on private property.

    But please, let's get back to my core point, that driver's education isn't what it's cracked up to be.
  • gee35coupegee35coupe Member Posts: 3,387
    The owner of the property sets the rules. You don't HAVE to be there. But making public surveillance a matter of fact doesn't leave any options on whether or not you want to be watched. I'm not a religious person but it starts looking like the start of the "mark of the beast" "Revelation" stuff starting.

    Red light cameras are kinda OK. You know they are there and in GA they have signage advertising them. And they have been know to cause more "rear enders" here. I guess those are better than being T-boned though. We are also passing a bill allowing speed camera in school zones. I actually support that too. But I don't support random "hidden" enforcement. If I get a ticket, I don't want to know about 2 weeks later.
  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel Member Posts: 19,592
    The owner of the property sets the rules. You don't HAVE to be there. But making public surveillance a matter of fact doesn't leave any options on whether or not you want to be watched.

    Nothing says you have to go outside. Face it simply by going outside you give your consent to be photographed videotaped.

    2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D

  • redmaxxredmaxx Member Posts: 627
    All I can say is that conservative states like Texas, Arizona, and heaven forbid, Georgia, all allow red-light cameras. So it's not just flaming liberals behind this trend.

    Oh yeah, that's us. In fact we have one of the first (the first?) speed camera sections of highway. The Loop 101 in Scottsdale (where people are routinely caught going 80-90 and as high as 130 in a 65) has a section with speed cameras. Go at or faster than 76MPH and you will be caught.
  • gee35coupegee35coupe Member Posts: 3,387
    But if you are willing to have your every move subject to scrutiny by the law, I guess this country is definately going downhill. Consenting to being videotaped in passing is one thing. But consenting to be under 24 hour surveillance by the government is about an un-American as any concept I can dream of.

    Why not just wear brain implants?
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