First was an old man in a new-style Jag XJ who got that baby up to about 33mph when merging on to the freeway.
A similar pet peeve of mine that almost everyone around here does is, when getting on the highway, they quit accelerating around 55MPH until they get near the end of the ramp and then they either putz along at 55 or take off like a bat out of hell trying to merge with 65-75MPH traffic. There seem to be very few that drive in between, like me.
I live in Los Angeles and drive over 60 miles a day and must pass at least 5 dozen Prius' during my 1 1/2 hour in the car. Why is it that Prius' are always being poorly driven? Always in people's way, going slow in the fast lane and cutting paople off? I don't go in the car pool lane, so it's not an issue for me, but i do see lines of people behind some Prius' once in a while a laugh.
After a while, I decided to borrow one and see if the car was the issue. The steering stucks, the braking has absolutely no peddal feel, it understeers like a pig, and doesn't have too much power. But, it isn't as bad as say a Fiat Panda. When properly driven, I was still able to go around freeway over-passes at 75 with no problem, so what is the issue?
Well a lot of people that drive those high mileage hybrids try to see how much MPG they can get out of them, they are called "hyper milers". For that reason you will see little old ladies in walkers out run some Prius'. Many times they will get a line of people behind them as they take a half mile to get to 40 MPH (a while back someone posted their experience with that on this forum).
As for going slow in the fast lane and cutting people off, well thats just common with all drivers.
As for allowing single drivers with a hybrid in a car pool lane, well that was just a stupid decision.
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I saw a little story on the news about some woman in PA who tossed a cig out the window of her old Sable, and it blew back in and set the car on fire as she was driving it. Tossing a lit cig is one of the least considerate things a driver can do, really just reprehensible...so I have to be a [non-permissible content removed] and say the fireball she created serves her right.
Yeah, the issue about hybrid drivers holding up traffic has been gaining newspaper attention around here. It makes sense to drive a high-mileage car slowly - you do use more gas at 75 than 65. And they stopped teaching lane ettiquette years ago; my classmates and I learned "if you're speeding at all, you don't belong on the road". So it was bound to happen. (And I find it to usually be young people - those who took drivers' ed after they stopped talking about "slower traffic keep right".)
The "drive 55" contingent is gaining ground too, and not only among hybrids.
The "drive 55" contingent is gaining ground too, and not only among hybrids.
Is that what it is? Lately I have seen several cars with cardboard signs on the back that says something like "This car does NOT exceed 55 mph". I was wondering what the deal was.
The "drive 55" contingent is gaining ground too, and not only among hybrids.
It is? You could never guess it in my daily drives. I-55 near me has a 55 MPH SL and doing 70 I have most of the traffic passing me. Anyway how does that work when you have SL on interstates hitting 75 MPH?
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I hope the return of 55 mph never returns. that is way to slow, and if the hybrid cars want to drive that slow then they need to stay in the right lane. I want to get where I'm going in a decent amount of time and I'm willing to burn a extra gallon or two of gas to save time. :mad:
Yes if the "greenies" (I call them tyrants) get their way. I just visited one of their sites promoting driving 55 MPH and you should see all the misinformation they have.
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I'm a greenie by nature and want to save the enviroment. I however am not a extremest :mad: My gosh these people are out of control by wanting everyone to drive 55 mph. :confuse:
It's funny, in countries where $5/gallon gas does exist, they haven't devolved to 55. Of course, the average motorist there isn't the dumbed down dreck that exists here, so that might be part of it.
"After enduring 35 mph as the National Speed Limit for four years, 55 was most welcome a week after the [non-permissible content removed] surrendered. "
And going 55 in a 41 Ford or 39 Olds is like going 100 in a modern car.
Tell me about it. I was riding my motorcyle behind a car when the kind person driving it threw a cigarette butt out her window and it went straight down the front of my leather jacket. Still got the burn scar to this day and that was 24 years ago.
"t's funny, in countries where $5/gallon gas does exist, they haven't devolved to 55. "
Yep. Try driving at 55 on the motorways back home (when there isn't traffic) and you'll soon get flattened by an HGV or two. Anything less than 80 and you'll be the slowest thing there.
The 55mph thing has been talked about in the automotive column (Mr. Roadshow) in the San Jose Mercury newspaper. This may put a lot of you in denial (it's too easy to hate "greenies" in this forum), but it's NOT environmentalists who are pushing it.
From the sound of the letters, it's mostly people in vehicles that don't get great mileage. They get a couple more mpg, and it's a big deal for them so they write in to tell the world. They talk about how safe we'd be and how independent our country would be if we just drove 55. (And in the San Jose area, all the freeways have 65mph limits, and a few have very high average speeds.) Hardly any of the people writing in talk about emissions or non-economic conservation.
For me the worst part of it is on onramps. I was squeezed into a tight spot yesterday by a car in front of me merging at 40mph and traffic in the right lane trying to get ahead of him before he got on. Scary stuff.
When you have such a huge range of cars out there. Why force somoeone in a hybrid to drive 55 when you have someone in an Excursion that can't get 1/3 of it's mileage at any speed. That's simply not logical. Especially when both cars are used as commuters with solo drivers. Long commutes in SUV's should be outlawed first.
Long commutes in SUV's should be outlawed first. Why just SUVs? I would agree if you would rephrase that as "Long commutes in anything with less than some mpg (say 25 mpg) should be outlawed first".
And with the safety features in these cars, going anything above 40-50 was pretty crazy. That's what I was getting at. I mean, a Model A with a 2 speed rear end will go 60, but I wouldn't do it unless I had a deserted private road.
55 would be enforced to create revenue, just as the current speed limits. It could be called a war tax. We're in trouble now...
Again, countries with $5/gallon gas haven't reverted to such silliness as 55....but one can hardly call recent trends in our burgeoning corporate theocracy progressive...
Such a suggestion is not offered for any other reason than to create a usage optimization between time and fuel. In other words, direct comparison of vehicles is a moot point, but all types display greater efficiency at 55 than 75.
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Ah, but then you begin to experience diminishing returns and the factor of time plays a more critical role.
For example, 75 mph is approximately 36% faster than 55. 55 is 22% faster than 45. See how this is non-linear from a time standpoint? Now, take my truck, for another example. While the numbers presented here might be extremely low in general, the trend is typical: At a sustained 75 mph, it gets about 10 mpg. At 55, it will get 13... 30% better than 75! At 45, it will get 13.5... 4% better than at 55.
As far as balancing time and resources, 55 gives the greatest return. Now, do not take this as advocating for 55 (!), but were it a matter of debate for "national security" *cough cough*, I would be advocating 55 over 45, 35, or any other ridiculously low #.
Fin..... *hands start shaking trying to grasp concept*.... hang up and dddddrrivee? Nooooo!!!!!! HHahaha. :P :sick:
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My comment was more sarcasm than anything else, I do agree that there is a trade off with regards to time and gas usage. But consider this most people drive short distances that wouldn't require a great investment in time if one drives a slower speed. Case in point, the longest drive that I will most likely make in the next few months will be to my sisters house maybe 30 or less miles away. Driving 5MPH faster saves me about 2-3 minutes (maybe more, maybe less depending how one hits the lights after getting off the interstate).
Or going to work driving 55 would actually cost me at least $125.00 more and take me 10-15 minutes longer than if I would drive 45 (think police and a 40MPH SL).
Now of course going to my other sister house and increase in speed of 5 MPH could save well over an hour in time.
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Or going to work driving 55 would actually cost me at least $125.00 more and take me 10-15 minutes longer than if I would drive 45 (think police and a 40MPH SL).
LOL. Point taken!
I was, admittedly, thinking mostly of distance travel on interstate or currently >55mph limited roadways.
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where economy starts to suffer. I bet that is also very dependent on the vehicle. Probably can be affected by geariing and engine efficiency too. I'm sure there are cars that get better mileage at higher speeds than 55. I know our Accord can still get mid 30's at 85.
The speed where economy starts to suffer (as in MPG) is much lower than that. It is dependent on the car itself, factoring in the transmission, engine and the shape of the car and its condition. As for any car getting better gas mileage past 55 MPH I seriously doubt it. Also are you sure about that mid 30's at 85 MPH on the Accord, they are EPA rated at 34 MPG and doing 85 you should see a major drop in that.
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I have a '04 Camry 4-cylinder 4A, and I regularly achieve 35+ mpg, but going the speed limit (65 or 70 mph, as appropriate in my area). No way will a midsize gas engine car get that kind of mileage at 85 mph (plus we know from his own posts that Mr. Gee drives like a bat out of hell).
Ironically, my '05 Camry 4-cyl 5A does not do as well, in town or on the highway (low 30s for the latter), even though both cars are essentially the same except for the auto tranny.
Going home from work on 55 mph divided highway (with intersections).
I see a tow truck hauling a full-size Ram van with the latter's front wheels rolling on the ground. I move into the left lane to pass, come over a rise, and see what I thought was a motorcycle ahead of me.
Turns out it was a scooter; the guy's going only 35-40 mph right down the middle of the left lane.
So, the tow truck is going maybe 45; therefore it takes a little while for the truck to get past the scooter. I have to wait until he's done, then get in the right lane to pass the scooter, and back into the left lane to pass the tow truck, who's having a hard time staying in his lane.
There was a crossroad coming up, so I checked in my rearview to see if by some chance the scooter was planning a left turn. No such luck -- he continued on his merry way in the left lane.
Good thing there was no other traffic when I got blocked -- things could have gotten very interesting.
From a Darwinian viewpoint, I would say that your scooter rider has uncompetitive traits that are soon to be selected against, thus eliminating him from the gene pool.
Or more simply stated: that fool's gonna wind up dead. :P
From a Darwinian viewpoint, I would say that your scooter rider has uncompetitive traits that are soon to be selected against, thus eliminating him from the gene pool.
The problem with Darwin is that not everyone comes from a pool. Not even the shallow end of the gene pool could excuse a guy riding a scooter in the left lane, I think "swamp" might be more apt. In any case, I agree that natural selection will soon prevail.
When considering our relations with the oil producing nations today, it would not be surprising to see the restoration of the 55 speed limit. Our own Senators are blocking the development of oil in the North Slope while China is using more of the earths oil and Venezuela currently threatens the safety of our ambassador. We all know how much Katrina destroyed our refining facilities and the risky situation in the Middle East including Iran. Conservation and $5 a gallon coupled with the 55 mph limit will be mandatory so get used to it. It is not a local revenue project, but a world wide problem. :mad:
I can't believe that silly scooter rider and the tow truck driver you were talking about. They completely ignored the signs clearly stating that it was your stretch of road. How dare they go a different speed then you desired? And to actually force you to wait upwards of 15 seconds before you were able to rightfully reclaimed your road, shocking. Your definitely well within your rights as a free driving American to wish them dead. (as your subsequent posters extrapolated). I mean seriously! Those are 15-30 seconds you will never get back your revenge and the revenge of all the second hoarders the country over are exacted by your ill wishes.
FYI: 50cc scooters are rarely capable of level travel exceeding 35mph, but capability aside not everyone drives at 100% awareness all the time. It could just as easily have happened with a Camry or a bus and where would your 15 seconds be then?
Its so interesting to read here about driving annoyances and think how many of them would happen walking, and if the people around you were people you see and associate with every day.
So much for civil society. Riding a scooter in America is getting closer to an ordinary person walking on the Roman Road.
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A similar pet peeve of mine that almost everyone around here does is, when getting on the highway, they quit accelerating around 55MPH until they get near the end of the ramp and then they either putz along at 55 or take off like a bat out of hell trying to merge with 65-75MPH traffic. There seem to be very few that drive in between, like me.
After a while, I decided to borrow one and see if the car was the issue. The steering stucks, the braking has absolutely no peddal feel, it understeers like a pig, and doesn't have too much power. But, it isn't as bad as say a Fiat Panda. When properly driven, I was still able to go around freeway over-passes at 75 with no problem, so what is the issue?
Well a lot of people that drive those high mileage hybrids try to see how much MPG they can get out of them, they are called "hyper milers". For that reason you will see little old ladies in walkers out run some Prius'. Many times they will get a line of people behind them as they take a half mile to get to 40 MPH (a while back someone posted their experience with that on this forum).
As for going slow in the fast lane and cutting people off, well thats just common with all drivers.
As for allowing single drivers with a hybrid in a car pool lane, well that was just a stupid decision.
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The "drive 55" contingent is gaining ground too, and not only among hybrids.
Anyway, tossing lit cigarettes out of the window is a pet peeve of mine.
Is that what it is? Lately I have seen several cars with cardboard signs on the back that says something like "This car does NOT exceed 55 mph". I was wondering what the deal was.
Rocky
It is? You could never guess it in my daily drives. I-55 near me has a 55 MPH SL and doing 70 I have most of the traffic passing me. Anyway how does that work when you have SL on interstates hitting 75 MPH?
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Rocky
After enduring 35 mph as the National Speed Limit for four years, 55 was most welcome a week after the [non-permissible content removed] surrendered.
55 is not too slow when you start out an hour earlier and it is a speed better dealt with by most driver's abilities.
I also will need to invest in the latest cop sniffer technology
Rocky
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Rocky
It's funny, in countries where $5/gallon gas does exist, they haven't devolved to 55. Of course, the average motorist there isn't the dumbed down dreck that exists here, so that might be part of it.
"After enduring 35 mph as the National Speed Limit for four years, 55 was most welcome a week after the [non-permissible content removed] surrendered. "
And going 55 in a 41 Ford or 39 Olds is like going 100 in a modern car.
Rocky
I guess the Prius driver's time was more important than my fuel economy... or maybe they thought I had regenerative braking in my Toyota Tacoma :P
james
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Rocky
Yep. Try driving at 55 on the motorways back home (when there isn't traffic) and you'll soon get flattened by an HGV or two. Anything less than 80 and you'll be the slowest thing there.
From the sound of the letters, it's mostly people in vehicles that don't get great mileage. They get a couple more mpg, and it's a big deal for them so they write in to tell the world. They talk about how safe we'd be and how independent our country would be if we just drove 55. (And in the San Jose area, all the freeways have 65mph limits, and a few have very high average speeds.) Hardly any of the people writing in talk about emissions or non-economic conservation.
For me the worst part of it is on onramps. I was squeezed into a tight spot yesterday by a car in front of me merging at 40mph and traffic in the right lane trying to get ahead of him before he got on. Scary stuff.
Should this country be in more trouble with mid east oil - 55 will return as it will be necessary and strictly enforced.
Why just SUVs? I would agree if you would rephrase that as "Long commutes in anything with less than some mpg (say 25 mpg) should be outlawed first".
End our dependency on foreign oil - become Amish.
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55 would be enforced to create revenue, just as the current speed limits. It could be called a war tax. We're in trouble now...
Again, countries with $5/gallon gas haven't reverted to such silliness as 55....but one can hardly call recent trends in our burgeoning corporate theocracy progressive...
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Four words to all the Bellevue drivers at lunch right now: Hang Up and Drive. It was painful being out there not long ago.
For example, 75 mph is approximately 36% faster than 55. 55 is 22% faster than 45. See how this is non-linear from a time standpoint? Now, take my truck, for another example. While the numbers presented here might be extremely low in general, the trend is typical: At a sustained 75 mph, it gets about 10 mpg. At 55, it will get 13... 30% better than 75! At 45, it will get 13.5... 4% better than at 55.
As far as balancing time and resources, 55 gives the greatest return. Now, do not take this as advocating for 55 (!), but were it a matter of debate for "national security" *cough cough*, I would be advocating 55 over 45, 35, or any other ridiculously low #.
Fin..... *hands start shaking trying to grasp concept*.... hang up and dddddrrivee? Nooooo!!!!!! HHahaha. :P :sick:
Or going to work driving 55 would actually cost me at least $125.00 more and take me 10-15 minutes longer than if I would drive 45 (think police and a 40MPH SL).
Now of course going to my other sister house and increase in speed of 5 MPH could save well over an hour in time.
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LOL. Point taken!
I was, admittedly, thinking mostly of distance travel on interstate or currently >55mph limited roadways.
Because a drastic solution is not always required: sometimes a middle path or a tradeoff works. But I suspect you already knew that.
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"...a mode of satirical wit ..."
Since your remark had no wit, it does not qualify.
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Ironically, my '05 Camry 4-cyl 5A does not do as well, in town or on the highway (low 30s for the latter), even though both cars are essentially the same except for the auto tranny.
I see a tow truck hauling a full-size Ram van with the latter's front wheels rolling on the ground. I move into the left lane to pass, come over a rise, and see what I thought was a motorcycle ahead of me.
Turns out it was a scooter; the guy's going only 35-40 mph right down the middle of the left lane.
So, the tow truck is going maybe 45; therefore it takes a little while for the truck to get past the scooter. I have to wait until he's done, then get in the right lane to pass the scooter, and back into the left lane to pass the tow truck, who's having a hard time staying in his lane.
There was a crossroad coming up, so I checked in my rearview to see if by some chance the scooter was planning a left turn. No such luck -- he continued on his merry way in the left lane.
Good thing there was no other traffic when I got blocked -- things could have gotten very interesting.
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Or more simply stated: that fool's gonna wind up dead. :P
james
The problem with Darwin is that not everyone comes from a pool. Not even the shallow end of the gene pool could excuse a guy riding a scooter in the left lane, I think "swamp" might be more apt. In any case, I agree that natural selection will soon prevail.
Conservation and $5 a gallon coupled with the 55 mph limit will be mandatory so get used to it. It is not a local revenue project, but a world wide problem.
FYI: 50cc scooters are rarely capable of level travel exceeding 35mph, but capability aside not everyone drives at 100% awareness all the time. It could just as easily have happened with a Camry or a bus and where would your 15 seconds be then?
Its so interesting to read here about driving annoyances and think how many of them would happen walking, and if the people around you were people you see and associate with every day.
So much for civil society. Riding a scooter in America is getting closer to an ordinary person walking on the Roman Road.