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As far as the asthma attack reference, I was talking about someone else, like a child, in the car. I thought I had pointed that out. Sorry for the oversight.
Meanwhile..... Driver arrested after speeding 22 times in 45 days
Some of us can only aspire to greatness....
While she's a menace from what I see this idea of doing all the law enforcement with cameras is nuts. They are all over the place here - mostly at traffic lights - and we're not urban by any means.
Big brother is indeed watching.
Is that referring to my post? :confuse: Where did I say _anything_ like that? :mad:
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
I'm not here to argue the "Little Hitlers" phenomenon, my contention is that it may be illegal. A lot of places are getting more serious about road rage with laws against "engaging" another driver - the usual items are obscene gestures and obvious eye contact or using the vehicle with a violent maneuver. Isn't the act of sudden acceleration while being passed "engaging" another driver with a violent maneuver already?
Any cops in here? This activity to me, seems to be an act of road rage although somewhat sublime and just appearing as inconsiderate....
Also - an open message to police agencies - you REALLY need to get a lot more unmarked vehicles and I'm not talking those stupid Crown Vic's that everybody knows is an unmarked vehicle. Get some high powered Mustangs or Corvettes, whatever you prefer and equip them with cameras and telemetry (the road rager will probably NOT pullover for a Corvette, we all realize that) and have the marked vehicle orbiting somewhere in the vicinity...
Well, yes it is. However there seems to be no sense of "aggression" involved in the "who the heck are you, to want to pass me" attitude."
My opinion is that any sentence that starts with "they should" is probably controlling... whether it be he SHOULD speed up or he SHOULD slow down.
In some places a sworn officer has to review the photos before mailing them out, so an "actual officer" is involved.
Be careful what you wish for - the procedures could be changed so that 2 or 3 tickets in a short time period could trigger a summons and you could wind up being hauled to traffic court by a uniformed officer - straight from a meeting with your boss or at 2 am. :shades:
Even better, just rig up a kill switch in all cars so that anyone triggering a camera multiple times in a short period gets their car shut down at the next red light.
In Ohio they are careful not to call them tickets and they don't have authority under the traffic code in Ohio. They are bills.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
Really? You need to run that by the family of murdered actress Rebecca Schaeffer, who was slain in 1989 by a stalker. Her killer tracked her down after paying a private dectective to obtain her home address through the California Department of Motor Vehicles. No, she hadn't been "driving aggressively" or in an inappropriate manner, either...
Her death - and the harrowing experiences of people (especially women) who had also been stalked and harrassed by those who tracked them down via vehicle registration information - is what prompted several states, and eventually the federal government, to restrict the availability of vehicle registration information.
There is a very good reason that this prohibition was enacted.
Here lies the problem as I see it. Most LLC's are not clogging the left lane with the intention to control speeding/combat aggressive driving/ect, they are simply BAD and LAZY drivers.
They feel it would be too much work to actually change lanes more than once or twice during an average commute. I mean, think how much effort it takes to change lanes, with having to check your mirrors and activate the turn signal!
Why bother changing lanes if you can just stay in the left lane and sorta zone out or take a nap until you reach your destination. That is more in keeping with the lackadaisical, lazy lifestyle that most people seem to embrace.
This second quote just reinforces my point about drivers being aloof..."if the right lane is clear as far as I can see, then I will also stay in the right lane."
Who in their right might would wait for a lane to be clear "as far as I can see" before using it? This mindset just blows me away, and is a reason why there are so many LLC's and so much traffic congestion.
In some places a sworn officer has to review the photos before mailing them out, so an "actual officer" is involved.
Once again I was unclear in my intent. Let me restate: I believe, at least in this case, that being stopped and summonsed in real time, as she was speeding, would have been beneficial. I am not talking about whether or not the photo is reviewed.
For many people a pending ticket has an effect - so if you know you were stopped for speeding, and you have a court date coming up, there is a tendency to be more careful. I am not saying that this has the same effect on everyone, or everytime.
As you have learned to accept the unseen parking meter cause a fine, get used to cameras catching you running a light as well.
It's not Big Brother, it's modern enforcement - live with it.
I agree in principle, however I can't count the number of times I see cars with the passenger side mirror folded in, and don't observe anything that looks like a moving head behind the wheel. It's just better odds that they MIGHT check the driver's side mirror.
Not the same thing, not even close.
No. The red flag stays in the "up" position after the time has expired. What matters is whether the red flag says "time expired," not whether anyone was there to witness it popping up.
It is surprising that it hasn't been mentioned that one of the reasons for driving in the Left lane is, it is more comfortable and smoother due to the lack of trucks breaking up the road surface.
Left lane --------------------------------------
Other lanes^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
There are actually some folks that are EXTREMELY polite and thoughtful (aka safe) . Some times those folks will not even advance to the left lane if they see some one there, "LLC er" or not. This means a DEFACTO rolling road block.
It is not like folks who hog to use (for intended PASSING purposes) the #1 lane have a sign that says: " will immediately move out of the way if I see you or you demand to go by, to: look at me side ways and I will pull out a shotgun, to up yours, I have the right to remain in front of YOU" .So to me, an important thing which most folks ignore is to signal one's intentions. I have found the over whelming majority WILL assist YOU. I usually wave when they do.
Truly all of us can and do guess and we all have varing %'s of correct/incorrect guesses.
So in the situational cases which I do stay a bit longer in the #1 lane, I will usually yield to someone who comes into the #1 lane. If they do not seem to be overtaking, I will come back into the #1 lane. But truly if you look at it, it is just a safer rollling road block. So for me, KEEP RIGHT EXCEPT to pass.
I would hope so.
However I see many who say basically, "I like driving here, and I have the right to, so there!"
james
I know I wouldn't like any lunatic or someone with an attitude problem using my license plate number to find out where I live.
But if you haven't done anything wrong....
Some people actually see the camera flash in their mirrors - that happened to my wife when they were trying out mobile speeding units. She knew she had been photographed. She also knew she wasn't speeding, and when the ticket arrived in the mail, it was for doing 25 in a 20mph zone. But the photo clearly showed a sign with 30mph on it. :P
Anyway, if you think the deterrence of an actual officer at the scene helps slow 'em down immediately, it should be easy enough to put up an electronic sign that flashes "you've been photographed speeding" if you trigger the camera.
OK, now imagine that situation, but WITHOUT the sign.... many people would have said 'Huh, I never knew blank street as a 20 zone, go figure." and paid the ticket.
The board has had an interesting conversation re: speeding cars, slow moving cars, and just jerks on the roadway that do not respect the rights of other drivers.
Here in Ca, er, (Calif =s Disneyland, jmo) if I am driving in the center lane, in the Bay Area, cars go by in the left and right at 70-80 mph. And if I drive in the left land at max speed limit, drivers tailgate.
As a CHP officer, (now gratefully retired) I always looked for the tailgater as I always felt that they cause more frustration for drivers.
When I worked the Nimitz with the double deck roadways, near the Bay Bridge, we would run "round robins" translated, we would get in the lead of a group of cars and try to slow down the drivers due to an traffic collision we were trying to clear located ahead of this group.
(If you see a patrol car ahead, weaving back and forth this may be a clue of trying to slow down the traffic.)
The reason we ran these slow downs was that on the old Nimitz there were NO shoulders, and if there was an accident ahead , the people at the scene, may have no way to prevent getting run over without this round robin. We also ran round robins on other roadways, i.e. blind curves, hill tops in an attempt to prevent accidents, (if you can't see ahead, you might get into a t/c.)
This time we were working the midnight shift,. And we had a t/c on the Nimitz. So we had our patrol car lights blazing, and we would drive across all lanes in an attempt to slow down traffic. Cars would try to pass us, regardless of what we did.
So when we had several units running the round robin, we would break off and stop the ones that tried to pass. Excuses we heard, "I was late for my baby sitter, I did not know there was an accident ahead", or "I had a business appointment". Fill in here.
One time a car passed us on the midnight shift, and slammed into a car at an accident scene. The accident scene caught fire, trapping the driver inside and that person died.
I guess I am trying to say is that I can't say how cops do it in other states, let alone my state, Ca, er, disneyland, but I really think that 90 % of drivers try to drive safely and dirve with respect to others. But it is the little 10 % that keep this board and me interested in all of the excellent posters and their dillemas in their states.
Good luck to all and stay SAFE.
jensad
PS. I don't miss the old job and I am grateful to be retired and alive, and still married to the same beautfiul woman for almost 44 years.
Not true because if it were, 100% of the frustrated drivers would commit rage.
A person DOES make a choice of how he behaves and to react with rage is a personal choice made by the rager, not the other driver who provoked it.
You are responsible for your own actions.
Now imagine immediate feedback that the camera thinks you were speeding via a flash or sign. You can turn around and find the applicable speed limit sign and see if you have a case.
And then you could speed by again and claim the camera is screwed up and taking multiple photos of your car. :shades:
(My wife was tagged on her commute and knew the speed limits well, btw - having the sign in the photo was just gravy, and actually helped get the camera operator fired).
Oh, just remembered - my 86 year old mom got tagged a couple of months ago for going ~46 in a 35 on a 2 lane. Her excuse was that she was just trying to keep up with traffic. Now she's just a lane camper.
I see myself now, TRYING for 10 tickets in 10 minutes, and then showing up in court saying "see? No way I could be THAT dumb!"
However an out of towner would have probably paid up, yes?
I think the idiot woman needs to go to jail for about 30 years. You don't shoot an unarmed person just for approaching your vehicle.
The man is in critical but stable condition and is expected to survive. He is in a medically induced coma, thus has yet to give his side of the story.
As I told you before, when you incite someone and they become mad, you are not absolved of responsibility. Understand?
Take some responsibility for what you create, for once. The inheritance elite silent generation is really bad at this. :sick:
I hope the young man gets some help because going to prison is tough stuff.
I observed to day a trucker cut in front of a motorist at a red light. Trucker went thru on the red, the other driver honked his horn, the trucker flipped him off and honked his horn and kept going.
In CA, and I guess in the country there are angry people who are losing it and dumping on others. Sometimes fatally.
Good luck to all and stay safe.
jensad
You and you alone make your decision regarding your behavior. What you propose is passing the buck to the provoker who is not in any way responsible for your decision of response.
Just because the target is in your face, doesn't mean you can shoot at it.
Control yourself and your anger is what is expected by others in this world.
inheritance elite silent generation What has that got to do with the issue?
Your explanation should be interesting to that portion of "the greatest generation"..
There is more to "this world" than the slums of Clark county.
The greatest generation is not present in this discussion.
You mention responsibility a lot...have you ever broken a traffic law? Do you keep right except to pass?
Most likely not depending on the court schedule it might take up to 45 days for someone to get to court to contest the ticket and be found guilty.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
Now there have been times when I have been taking a easy drive and someone races up behind me and just sits there, There will be a nice long flat road ahead with no traffic and instead of passing they will just sit there and tailgate. :confuse:
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
While this might not be everyone's cup of tea, NM has a pretty interesting (and intuitive) sign system for passing on so called rural two lane highways. If you have every driven NM's two lane highways, it definitely reinforces the concept that one shares the road with people in your same direction AND those literally coming @ YOU. To be DUI, stupid, hot headed and/or adversarial can be worse than fatal. It is a tad spooky and sobering and perplexing to see the historical examples. (white crosses driven into either side of the highways)
OK... so if you and you alone are responsible for your behavior, then isn't the provoker responsible for his own behavior? For example, when I was in high school I "knew" that there were some kids that I could goad into a fight if I said something about their mom... in your example I bear no responsibility if I provoked some kid into punching me in the face. This is the pollyanna world that says that only the respondent is responsible for the fight - someone hits you, go call a teacher... well the real world ain't that way.