Today's winner - I'm on a nearly empty 4 lane road with a turn lane in the middle, posted at 30, and I am going no more than 35, in the left lane as I will soon be turning left. From my left, a H3 with maybe 22" wheels pulls out, directly as I am approaching - and continues to keep moving, as if he expects me to change lanes to let him in, even though there is nobody in front of me or behind me for a couple blocks. I hold my ground and make him take his turn, and he has to slow down in the empty middle lane and get over. When did the middle lane become a merge lane for access to empty roads from commercial driveways? Once he is on the road, he gets in the right lane and moves alongside me as I am slowing down for my turn.
I notice he is then throwing a tantrum, making excited gestures and yelling at me - I assume because I didn't submit to his selfishness and his POS making a bizarre, inconsiderate, out of turn, and illegal entrance to the road. This amuses me, so as I am about to turn, I show him through the sunroof that I think he is #1. This makes him almost come to a stop. Did he want to fight or something? Sadly, I was in a turn lane and was turning, so I didn't get to find out. What is it with people who drive vehicles like this? Maybe he was pissed because he was driving the Hummer for girls...in a real city, if he challenged someone to a fight, he'd be shot. Maybe that's the only way some people learn.
Maybe I should have just let him hit me...then I could sue him so hard, I'd be able to get a new E63 :shades:
"...Last time I got into a fight...it was over in a second..."
Aren't you an accountant or something? I never realized your town was that rough ("Sign that W-4 you bum or I'll hit you again!").
Last time I got into a fight with fists I was in 6th grade. I hurt the kid very badly and regretted it for a long time. I never went looking for trouble after that. Now my friendly attitude and the fact that I'm 6'2" and 220 pounds seems to keep trouble away.
I also find that when someone wants to road rage on you, laughing at them is almost as satisfying as beating them to a pulp.
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"...didn't think how they are going to hold onto to the bag of stuff they bought at the store..."
If your girl bought a bunch of stuff at Victoria's Secret you wouldn't be thinking about how you were going to get it home either. Shhheeech, these old men forget what it's like to be young. :P
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When did the middle lane become a merge lane for access to empty roads from commercial driveways?
I was shocked to learn recently that this is perfectly legal in Washington state. There is a limit to how many feet you can drive in that middle left turn lane but you can use it to merge.
No reason for the H3 driver to expect you to move over though and then to react that way.
I was not aware of that either. Always irked me when I would see people doing it...now I'll just have to chalk it up to an odd law.
Oh yeah, and what I thought topped it all off with the H3 dork is that I was coming from his right - so I had the right of way no matter what. If he's trying to intimidate, he's doing it in the wrong vehicle.
A friend of mine got hit in the turn lane here a couple of years ago. I just emailed him for details:
"Under Boise's ordinance you can't use the lane for more than 100 ft or to pass a car on your right while turning left from the lane."
He was moving in the turn lane when she hit him, but he hadn't been going very far, and didn't get a ticket. In small claims, she admitted fault on failure to yield right-of-way but thought he should eat some of the damages since he was moving in the turn lane. The judge cut her some slack and her insurance paid him 60% of his damages.
I keep out of long turn lanes unless I am actually going to be turning in a relatively short amount of time. With the way people drive around here, they seem like crash lanes, and I have seen people continue down them for blocks.
here in OR it is legal to pull into the center lane (unless otherwise marked), but it is not legal to move forward in the center lane. You can pull into the center lane and wait until traffic is clear and then move forward and merge. In AZ (it may have changed), but when I got my DL 15 years ago it was not legal to do either. You had to wait until both ways were clear and then pull directly into the travel lane.
He said something about comparative negligence but there could be more to the story that I don't know. He was in court on a Friday, and left to go around the world on the next Monday. Somehow in there he got his check.
He's visiting town next month for a week and I'm loaning him my Subaru. I'll tell him to make only right turns.
I just looked it up (my daughter first informed me of this after taking driver's ed). In WA, you can't drive more than 300 feet in a two-way left turn lane.
Interestingly enough, if there is a long line of cars stopped at a red light and there is one of these shared middle turn lanes, you can't pull into that lane with the intention of turning left at that intersection unless it is less than 300 feet.
With all the postings on this subject I find it interesting that nobody has used the phrase "Suicide Lane", a common moniker that I have known even as a child.... It must be an East Coast thing - especially used on the infamous road to Key West. Completely illegal to use as a passing lane but, they do.
Touching on a previous subject, bikers on their way to Key West as well as our car were being held up (miserably) by someone going well under the speed limit. The bikers put up with this for a few miles and then with some sort of "pack" communication finally utilized the "Suicide Lane" to pass the slow car. Our car continued on and coincidentally, pulled in to the same mini-mart as the "Parade" driver. He made a comment about the bikers as we both approached the door but I made it brutally apparent that I was not going to entertain his editorial comments, remarking "If you're going to drive that slow you need to pull off and let people by - you backed up traffic for miles!" He barbed something back some "Little Hitler" defense but I quickly went to get our drinks and get to the check-out to..... Make sure we left the mini-mart parking lot before him!!!!
You should have just told him if you saw him again you'd call him in as a suspected drunk. That might change his day when he gets to spend a half hour passing LEO-administered tests, and is told he was nabbed because of driving too slow.
On deserted suburban streets with turn lanes, I have used them to pass slowpokes. Not legal, but it's only illegal if you get caught :P . I remember once I passed an elderly man in a Buick going about 15 in a 30, who laid on his horn as I passed. He's lucky I never got around to installing that hidden machine gun in my grille, I could have just shot him down like an old fighter plane :shades:
Arizona's 2 lane highways used to permit passing in the unmarked "center passing lane". Maybe it's still common. Driver's would just ease over and let people pass, coming or going. The first time I drove out there it freaked me out a bit to have a car coming at me "in my lane".
Never heard it called a suicide lane either.
Nowadays you'll sometimes find a road with three lanes striped with two lanes going in one direction and one in the other. Cars in the one lane can pass in the two lane side if traffic is clear (and if the stripe isn't solid).
In my opinion, it is always a matter of conditions. The law must issue a blanket statement, but I would much rather drivers use judgment to assess the situation than behave like lemmings or pull stunts at inappropriate times using the defense, "but it was perfectly legal!" :sick:
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Really? I hear that moniker more frequently than "left turn lane." *shrugs*
Many of those lanes around here are very wide - wide enough that two vehicles (of typical size) could pass each other inside the lane. At times, this is valuable given the demand for turns in opposite directions. However, drivers almost universally enter the turn lane and proceed as far left as possible into the lane before making their turn! It is quite odd, I think, and also inconsiderate.
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between Portland & Seattle there were those middle lanes and in those days they were called the Suicide lane due to so many headon crashes especially after dark.
I think behaving like lemmings is what a lot of people want to see on the road. So many people in this dumbing down society don't want to have to think.
Logically, there should be no problem with speeds in variation of arbitrary limits, passing when conditions permit, stopping and going for red lights on deserted roads, etc.
I'm not positive but there may be two different lanes we are talking about. There is a middle lane in cities and towns that is used for left turns. I'm sure that is what Fin and I were talking about.
Then there is a passing lane on highways that is sometimes shared with oncoming cars. Essentially there are two lanes going in one direction and one going the other way. People driving on the two-lane side are to stay to the right (oh-oh, don't want to start that up again) and use the left lane as a passing lane. Oncoming cars may use that lane to pass a slower car since they don't have a dedicated passing lane, just as they would pass on a two-lane road. Obviously, they need to make sure that the lane is clear before passing anyone.
No, I was referring to the "middle lane in cities and towns that is used for left turns." This is a "suicide lane."
The other "middle lane" is merely a passing lane dedicated to one side of the road or the other. Actually, at least in Alaska, it is pretty rare for the direction that gets only one lane of traffic to have a "dotted line." I am really not sure why, but they tend to have double solids, even when sight distances are more than adequate for passing.
Many years ago, I used a middle lane in such a circumstance (my direction had only one dedicated lane) to pass a tractor-trailer. There was one car coming the other direction, but only one (and therefore would use, by law, the far lane). I pulled out and passed. Mid-way through the pass, the other driver decided to be an [non-permissible content removed] and pull into the lane I was using. He sat there for a good long time playing chicken and finally dodged back into his own lane when it became abundantly clear that I was not interested in his game. At that point, we had about two-to-three seconds before we would have collided. I was going about 75, him probably 65, so it would not have been pretty. Apparently, he felt entitled to that middle lane because he laid on his horn from the time he decided to move back into his lane until he passed me. Sheesh - some people.
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In the old days there was a third situation - you'd have a wide two lane highway, and people would straddle the center line while the oncoming traffic would move over toward the shoulder, as would the car you were passing.
This was the situation that freaked me out in Arizona when I first encountered it.
I am not quite following this.... is the car in the middle passing the one on the right or vice versa? And, more importantly, who initiated the pass? I will often pull to the shoulder to allow faster moving traffic to pass me (regardless of whether there is traffic in the opposing lane) if I am driving something that is going well below the speed limit, such as when I brought the '76 Ford up from Chugiak with my '69 Chevy. But, I initiate and allow the other vehicle to pass. The person in the middle is not the one "forcing" the driver on the right to hit the shoulder! :surprise:
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Interestingly enough, if there is a long line of cars stopped at a red light and there is one of these shared middle turn lanes, you can't pull into that lane with the intention of turning left at that intersection unless it is less than 300 feet.
True, but near where I work there is an intersection that has a very large number of vehicles turning left in the morning. The number of cars waiting to make the turn can extend well beyond the 300 foot limit for the shared left turn lane. However turning cars do take up that shared left turn lane for much longer than allowed. This does keep the left through lane clear for through traffic.
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This pic isn't from Arizona (China, actually) but it's similar to my experience. The highway was a bit wider, but not that much though. It made a lot of sense when you got used to the idea. Now most of the remaining two lanes have passing lanes, on the hills at least.
Surely there's someone else "of a certain age" that remembers running into this while touring the Grand Canyon or desert Southwest back in the 60's or early 70's?
Guess I'll have to go dig up some old copies of Arizona Highways somewhere.
Here in Pennsylvania, many, many years ago there were a lot of highways that were three lanes. There was a dedicated lane in each direction and the middle lane was the passing lane for both directions. It really got hairy when you were passing and came to a crest. You never knew if someone was coming the other way in the passing lane.
Thankfully they did away with them. Common sense didn't dictate and there were way too many head-on crashes and sideswipes. It was really a dumb idea. We called them the "suicide lane".
Seems like you get some real jerks there, like the guy in that passing lane. Around here, the problem is generally being oblivious rather than actually seeking fight like those crazy Alaskans seem to do
I've never seen anyone try that in NY who wasn't drunk. :surprise:
Such a passing arrangement would have to count on the cooperation (and skill) of both the driver you were passing and of the oncoming driver. You'd never get that with NY drivers. They'd hit you from both sides and then call in the lawyers.
Must be a western thing. :confuse:
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Driving in AK is preferred over floating around there on a cruise ship. Driving is the only way to really see the best of the state. Just carry a real spare tire and expect to replace the W/S when you return home. As for the highways, remember landing aircraft have the right of way.
Sounds like a good place for a rented SUV excursion...no way I would subject my car to that. It was bad enough here last winter, with my dinged windshield and chipped paint.
Amazingly, I made it home with my new car without a single crack/chip in the windshield! I picked it up Thursday evening in Seattle, then left at about 12:30(pm) on Friday afternoon to head north. I pulled into Fairbanks at 12:45(pm). I was fretting the first rock the whole trip, but it never came. Of course, traffic was light and I drove many miles at odd hours (early in the morning and late in the evening), but there is plenty of gravel to allow for that one errant rock to come flying!
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I think that's a bit of an urban legend. Aircraft have the ROW at airports, but if one lands on a public road in traffic, there's going to be some reckless operation inquiry by the state or the FAR rules will kick in:
"No person may operate an aircraft in a careless or reckless manner so as to endanger the life or property of another."
It's sort of a moot issue in Alaska anyway, since there are airstrips and gravel bars all over, especially along the road system.
While driving to Carmack from Whitehorse, we noticed the DOH kept the vegitation cut quite a ways back from the road and assumed it was to enable drivers to see approaching Moose.
At the beginning of a straight stretch there appeared this big Yellow sign with Black lettering - "CAUTION - LANDING AIRCRAFT HAVE RIGHT OF WAY".
DOH really didn't care if we saw a Moose or not. The vegitation was cut back to accomodate the wingspan of the landing aircraft.
We then started to note cabins with stove pipe chimnies with a tundra tired plane on the property parked next to the family car - a pickup.
All the fly-in subdivisions I've seen had private airstrips. Lake Hood up in Anchorage has a dual use road/taxiway and planes have the ROW there. But they are under some FAA operational order it looks like.
The flying car sites seem to say stuff like "take off from any public use general aviation airport" link and "At this time, "power-lift" aircraft are authorized for take-off and landing only from airports and heliports as defined by the FAA." link
The best site I found for aircraft rules and vehicles involved flight simulator programs. Go figure.
Now that you mentioned it, I do remember the wide 2-lane roads in the Southwest when I took my first cross-country trip in 1971. The roads were wider than that photo you showed of China. The slower driver was supposed to pull to the right so that the pass could be completed without the faster car edging too far into the opposing lane.
I grew up in PA also, and I do recall those 3-lane roads, marked only by broken white lines, where you could pass going either direction. I remember being a passenger in a car driven by a guy who used the car ahead of him, going the same direction, as "interference" as in football, to avoid getting smacked head-on in that middle lane. And yes, it was called the suicide lane in that context.
The vast majority of those roads were converted so that only one side could pass at a time (typically the uphill side), with a double yellow line for the opposing side. Or the center lane became a left-turn only lane. Plus the completion of the interstates took a lot of the traffic off these roads.
All broken lines were painted white back in the day; the feds mandated universal use of yellow for center lines in about 1972. I remember the first time I saw broken yellow center lines, I thought the state had run out of white paint!
Ironically, the all-yellow center lines (as opposed to the broken white and contrasting solid yellow lines) made it harder to tell when the passing zone ended. So those pennant-shaped "no passing zone" signs began to be used on the left side of some (unfortunately not all) roads.
I read somewhere in searching AZ highways that solid yellow lines on the highway are advisory, and that the "no passing signs" are required in order for the cops to be able to ticket you and have it stick if you contest the ticket. The signs aren't very common around here though.
It only took us six weeks. A teeny wheel trailer going in the opposite direction spun a rock up into our space and we hit it. On a four lane road in Wassila.
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will cure that one :P
I notice he is then throwing a tantrum, making excited gestures and yelling at me - I assume because I didn't submit to his selfishness and his POS making a bizarre, inconsiderate, out of turn, and illegal entrance to the road. This amuses me, so as I am about to turn, I show him through the sunroof that I think he is #1. This makes him almost come to a stop. Did he want to fight or something? Sadly, I was in a turn lane and was turning, so I didn't get to find out. What is it with people who drive vehicles like this? Maybe he was pissed because he was driving the Hummer for girls...in a real city, if he challenged someone to a fight, he'd be shot. Maybe that's the only way some people learn.
Maybe I should have just let him hit me...then I could sue him so hard, I'd be able to get a new E63 :shades:
Aren't you an accountant or something? I never realized your town was that rough ("Sign that W-4 you bum or I'll hit you again!").
Last time I got into a fight with fists I was in 6th grade. I hurt the kid very badly and regretted it for a long time. I never went looking for trouble after that. Now my friendly attitude and the fact that I'm 6'2" and 220 pounds seems to keep trouble away.
I also find that when someone wants to road rage on you, laughing at them is almost as satisfying as beating them to a pulp.
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If your girl bought a bunch of stuff at Victoria's Secret you wouldn't be thinking about how you were going to get it home either. Shhheeech, these old men forget what it's like to be young. :P
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I was shocked to learn recently that this is perfectly legal in Washington state. There is a limit to how many feet you can drive in that middle left turn lane but you can use it to merge.
No reason for the H3 driver to expect you to move over though and then to react that way.
Oh yeah, and what I thought topped it all off with the H3 dork is that I was coming from his right - so I had the right of way no matter what. If he's trying to intimidate, he's doing it in the wrong vehicle.
"Under Boise's ordinance you can't use the lane for more than 100 ft or to pass a car on your right while turning left from the lane."
He was moving in the turn lane when she hit him, but he hadn't been going very far, and didn't get a ticket. In small claims, she admitted fault on failure to yield right-of-way but thought he should eat some of the damages since he was moving in the turn lane. The judge cut her some slack and her insurance paid him 60% of his damages.
I keep out of long turn lanes unless I am actually going to be turning in a relatively short amount of time. With the way people drive around here, they seem like crash lanes, and I have seen people continue down them for blocks.
He said something about comparative negligence but there could be more to the story that I don't know. He was in court on a Friday, and left to go around the world on the next Monday. Somehow in there he got his check.
He's visiting town next month for a week and I'm loaning him my Subaru. I'll tell him to make only right turns.
Interestingly enough, if there is a long line of cars stopped at a red light and there is one of these shared middle turn lanes, you can't pull into that lane with the intention of turning left at that intersection unless it is less than 300 feet.
Touching on a previous subject, bikers on their way to Key West as well as our car were being held up (miserably) by someone going well under the speed limit. The bikers put up with this for a few miles and then with some sort of "pack" communication finally utilized the "Suicide Lane" to pass the slow car. Our car continued on and coincidentally, pulled in to the same mini-mart as the "Parade" driver. He made a comment about the bikers as we both approached the door but I made it brutally apparent that I was not going to entertain his editorial comments, remarking "If you're going to drive that slow you need to pull off and let people by - you backed up traffic for miles!" He barbed something back some "Little Hitler" defense but I quickly went to get our drinks and get to the check-out to..... Make sure we left the mini-mart parking lot before him!!!!
Never heard it called that.
On deserted suburban streets with turn lanes, I have used them to pass slowpokes. Not legal, but it's only illegal if you get caught :P . I remember once I passed an elderly man in a Buick going about 15 in a 30, who laid on his horn as I passed. He's lucky I never got around to installing that hidden machine gun in my grille, I could have just shot him down like an old fighter plane :shades:
Never heard it called a suicide lane either.
Nowadays you'll sometimes find a road with three lanes striped with two lanes going in one direction and one in the other. Cars in the one lane can pass in the two lane side if traffic is clear (and if the stripe isn't solid).
Really? I hear that moniker more frequently than "left turn lane." *shrugs*
Many of those lanes around here are very wide - wide enough that two vehicles (of typical size) could pass each other inside the lane. At times, this is valuable given the demand for turns in opposite directions. However, drivers almost universally enter the turn lane and proceed as far left as possible into the lane before making their turn! It is quite odd, I think, and also inconsiderate.
Logically, there should be no problem with speeds in variation of arbitrary limits, passing when conditions permit, stopping and going for red lights on deserted roads, etc.
Then there is a passing lane on highways that is sometimes shared with oncoming cars. Essentially there are two lanes going in one direction and one going the other way. People driving on the two-lane side are to stay to the right (oh-oh, don't want to start that up again) and use the left lane as a passing lane. Oncoming cars may use that lane to pass a slower car since they don't have a dedicated passing lane, just as they would pass on a two-lane road. Obviously, they need to make sure that the lane is clear before passing anyone.
The other "middle lane" is merely a passing lane dedicated to one side of the road or the other. Actually, at least in Alaska, it is pretty rare for the direction that gets only one lane of traffic to have a "dotted line." I am really not sure why, but they tend to have double solids, even when sight distances are more than adequate for passing.
Many years ago, I used a middle lane in such a circumstance (my direction had only one dedicated lane) to pass a tractor-trailer. There was one car coming the other direction, but only one (and therefore would use, by law, the far lane). I pulled out and passed. Mid-way through the pass, the other driver decided to be an [non-permissible content removed] and pull into the lane I was using. He sat there for a good long time playing chicken and finally dodged back into his own lane when it became abundantly clear that I was not interested in his game. At that point, we had about two-to-three seconds before we would have collided. I was going about 75, him probably 65, so it would not have been pretty. Apparently, he felt entitled to that middle lane because he laid on his horn from the time he decided to move back into his lane until he passed me. Sheesh - some people.
This was the situation that freaked me out in Arizona when I first encountered it.
True, but near where I work there is an intersection that has a very large number of vehicles turning left in the morning. The number of cars waiting to make the turn can extend well beyond the 300 foot limit for the shared left turn lane. However turning cars do take up that shared left turn lane for much longer than allowed. This does keep the left through lane clear for through traffic.
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Surely there's someone else "of a certain age" that remembers running into this while touring the Grand Canyon or desert Southwest back in the 60's or early 70's?
Guess I'll have to go dig up some old copies of Arizona Highways somewhere.
Thankfully they did away with them. Common sense didn't dictate and there were way too many head-on crashes and sideswipes. It was really a dumb idea. We called them the "suicide lane".
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Wow... I would have no problem calling THAT a suicide lane.... er, maybe suicide line.
I've never seen anyone try that in NY who wasn't drunk. :surprise:
Such a passing arrangement would have to count on the cooperation (and skill) of both the driver you were passing and of the oncoming driver. You'd never get that with NY drivers. They'd hit you from both sides and then call in the lawyers.
Must be a western thing. :confuse:
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Sounds like a good place for a rented SUV excursion...no way I would subject my car to that. It was bad enough here last winter, with my dinged windshield and chipped paint.
Amazingly, I made it home with my new car without a single crack/chip in the windshield! I picked it up Thursday evening in Seattle, then left at about 12:30(pm) on Friday afternoon to head north. I pulled into Fairbanks at 12:45(pm). I was fretting the first rock the whole trip, but it never came. Of course, traffic was light and I drove many miles at odd hours (early in the morning and late in the evening), but there is plenty of gravel to allow for that one errant rock to come flying!
It took you 15 minutes to drive from Seattle to Fairbanks??!! Wow... it takes me longer to drive from Seattle to Everett.
I think that's a bit of an urban legend. Aircraft have the ROW at airports, but if one lands on a public road in traffic, there's going to be some reckless operation inquiry by the state or the FAR rules will kick in:
"No person may operate an aircraft in a careless or reckless manner so as to endanger the life or property of another."
It's sort of a moot issue in Alaska anyway, since there are airstrips and gravel bars all over, especially along the road system.
At the beginning of a straight stretch there appeared this big Yellow sign with Black lettering - "CAUTION - LANDING AIRCRAFT HAVE RIGHT OF WAY".
DOH really didn't care if we saw a Moose or not. The vegitation was cut back to accomodate the wingspan of the landing aircraft.
We then started to note cabins with stove pipe chimnies with a tundra tired plane on the property parked next to the family car - a pickup.
That's okay, since I live south of Seattle, I was curious about long it really took you. That's quite a drive.
The flying car sites seem to say stuff like "take off from any public use general aviation airport" link and "At this time, "power-lift" aircraft are authorized for take-off and landing only from airports and heliports as defined by the FAA." link
The best site I found for aircraft rules and vehicles involved flight simulator programs. Go figure.
Still looking for weird Arizona highway rules.
I grew up in PA also, and I do recall those 3-lane roads, marked only by broken white lines, where you could pass going either direction. I remember being a passenger in a car driven by a guy who used the car ahead of him, going the same direction, as "interference" as in football, to avoid getting smacked head-on in that middle lane. And yes, it was called the suicide lane in that context.
The vast majority of those roads were converted so that only one side could pass at a time (typically the uphill side), with a double yellow line for the opposing side. Or the center lane became a left-turn only lane. Plus the completion of the interstates took a lot of the traffic off these roads.
I think the lines back in the Southwest were dotted white stripes too, at least in the passing zones.
Ironically, the all-yellow center lines (as opposed to the broken white and contrasting solid yellow lines) made it harder to tell when the passing zone ended. So those pennant-shaped "no passing zone" signs began to be used on the left side of some (unfortunately not all) roads.
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