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  • jensadjensad Member Posts: 388
    That is absolutely insane to pull ANY trailer at 80 +.

    Many more years than I want to remember, II observed a vehicle pulling a large boat, (not a dinky row kind) at about 75 mph, loose control on I 80 near Vallejo, whipped the boat across two west bound lanes.

    The boat fell off the trailer, the towing vehicle lost control and went into the olander bushes and all of the following vehicles, including my old Chev. ground to a halt as the t/c closed the entire freeway.No injuries except the splinders from the boat.

    I called my friend in Sacramento when I finally got home and related what happened to me. It sure openned my eyes as a 19 yr. old driver. The blessing was no one was hurt - except the boat and the owner's pride.

    Good luck and stay safe.

    jensad
  • xindianaxxindianax Member Posts: 2
    We had a road rage incident. truck {lady} vs motorcycle {man} the man gets off his bike to see what the problem is & the lady shoots him in the chest in broad daylight on a busy road & her son gets out and kicks him while he was fighting for air . He does survive and the lady {shooter} gets 10 yrs in prison.
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,680
    And people were complaining the lady was given too much time. I think I heard Louisville radio talking about that case a few weeks back. The lady knew the guy. And he presented no threat toward heard. Should have given her life.

    2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,

  • 210delray210delray Member Posts: 4,721
    Well, she deserves it. Good thing the biker didn't die.

    Second rule of thumb in road rage incidents: Never get out of (or off) your vehicle. First rule is to never make eye contact.

    If the other person does leave their vehicle, use the opportunity to drive away.
  • xindianaxxindianax Member Posts: 2
    she did not know him . the defense was trying the racial thing black woman & crazy white man story but that didn't work. thank god for justice
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,446
    If there was one good thing...the trailer appeared to be loaded (a box trailer) and did not bob around like some campers and other trailers. But something like that, no doubt underbraked, to be tailgating and significantly speeding, was insane. And there seemed like little point in reporting it, as WSP was a lot thinner on the roads than usual.

    Once on the narrow and poorly designed rural highway leading to Ocean Shores WA, I saw a trailer lose its boat, too. There was a trail for about a quarter mile of fiberglass pieces and debris before it left the road. Luckily no cars were hit.
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    You know what they say, Utility Trailers are Dangerous.
  • tallman1tallman1 Member Posts: 1,874
    I don't advocate submitting to reckless speeding egomaniacs by getting out of their way.

    I think there is a middle ground here that we sometimes miss. There are certainly speeders who go 15, 20 or more over the speed limit. And tailgate, and get mad, etc. But there are also folks who drive 5 - 10 mph over. Those folks may technically be speeding but not dangerously so. They may not tailgate... they may be very courteous, in fact.

    Since this is "Inconsiderate Drivers", I maintain it is still inconsiderate (and illegal in my state) to drive in the left lane unless you are passing someone. Lumping crazy drivers into the same group as those barely speeding seems silly to me.
  • oldfarmer50oldfarmer50 Member Posts: 24,234
    "...How do we know...S/he could have very well been..."

    My point was that who's right and who's wrong doesn't matter if you end up dead. The OP said the person killed was in the left lane so I was basing my statement on that.

    The original statement that people have a "right" to be in the left lane if they are doing the speed limit is what prompted me to post. Being right doesn't protect you from being killed by some nut job speeder if who is trying to get around you.

    IMO it's better to get out of the way of dangerous drivers.

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  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,680
    > I maintain it is still inconsiderate (and illegal in my state) to drive in the left lane unless you are passing someone. Lumping crazy drivers into the same group as those barely speeding seems silly to me.

    My observations are that there is a set of drivers going above the speed limit on highways with multiple lanes, 2 or 3 typically. Of that set some members speed greatly above the limit and for the traffic conditions. Of the set some speed 5 to 8 mph (estimate) and just want to go fast but not dangerously for the conditions.

    If I watch both groups the majority don't do as you suggest. Indeed they don't use the left lane only for passing, but they expect everyone else to do so. The majority stay, _stay_, in the left lane themselves, and don't pull over in the next lane to the right to keep the left lane clear.

    Then there are a few of the set of speeders who are aggressive and dangerous. They tailgate and are using their car as an extension of their (defective) personality in that they wish to dominate others.

    If someone in the left lane is going the speed limit, 'nough said. If they're going under, they should get over when safely possibly--that doesn't mean jumping between two semis going 70 mph now with 80 feet between them--however the slower-than-speed-limit driver can accelerate and expedite the passing to get to a long break between cars in the adjacent lane to the right.

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  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel Member Posts: 19,592
    Once on the narrow and poorly designed rural highway leading to Ocean Shores WA, I saw a trailer lose its boat, too. There was a trail for about a quarter mile of fiberglass pieces and debris before it left the road. Luckily no cars were hit.

    Did I ever mention someone I once knew lost an outhouse he transporting much the same way?

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  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,680
    A trailer lost its Bobcat along a Cincy interstate in the area where I lived. Having a Bobcat bouncing around the lanes would be really dangerous for the cars behind the truck.

    2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,

  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,446
    I hope it was just an outhouse and not a loaded honey bucket :shades:
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,446
    Winners this morning - aging yuppie in a blue previous generation M3 (convertible of course) who was revving his engine and trying to weave through traffic that was admittedly moving ridiculously slow due to octogenarians and fume-belching commercial vehicles operated by our vital businessmen of questionable accountability. He eventually was in front of me, made a sharp right to make a speedy and no doubt unsafe cut through a parking lot...and at the next light was in the exact same position, one car in front of me. He must not have lived here long.

    Then I was headed down a hill, and a PT Cruiser pulls right out in front of me and decides to go 5 under. It's an underposted road, so there were 8 cars clumped together by the time the road broke up and we could go around. Such people need to be removed from the motoring public.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,446
    Probably more effective than usual public sector traffic calming failures - so of course it warranted taxpayer funds to be used for prosecution.
  • jensadjensad Member Posts: 388
    I hope the outhouse was not on a slippery downhill grade.

    Good luck to all and I guess I am not the only person who has witnessed trailers, outhouses, et al come off of the hitch. Just for me, it was scary to see that boat sideways across almost three lanes on IS 80 which is known for speeds well over 90 +.

    Good luck to all and stay safe.

    jensad
  • hammerheadhammerhead Member Posts: 907
    If someone in the left lane is going the speed limit, 'nough said.

    Sorry, no, at least not in my corner of the world.

    From RCW 46.61.400:
    (2) Upon all roadways having two or more lanes for traffic moving in the same direction, all vehicles shall be driven in the right-hand lane then available for traffic, except (a) when overtaking and passing another vehicle proceeding in the same direction, (b) when traveling at a speed greater than the traffic flow, (c) when moving left to allow traffic to merge, or (d) when preparing for a left turn at an intersection, exit, or into a private road or driveway when such left turn is legally permitted.

    and...

    (4) It is a traffic infraction to drive continuously in the left lane of a multilane roadway when it impedes the flow of other traffic.

    Note that paragraph 4 makes no mention of the speed of the impeded traffic. Moral of the story: get out of the way, otherwise you're breaking the law. Let the speeders take their chances down the road.

    Cheers!
    Paul
  • hammerheadhammerhead Member Posts: 907
    Apologies. I missed the edit time window.

    Cheers!
    Paul
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    ..."If someone in the left lane is going the speed limit, 'nough said."...

    Indeed lest we lose focus, the left or number #1 lane is the legal/regulatory definition as well as convention of the PASSING lane. Just because it is routinely ignored, flaunted, dis regarded, misinterpreted doesn't change that fact. It is however on a practical basis a lot of the time, not the DEFACTO passing lane.
  • hammerheadhammerhead Member Posts: 907
    http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/magazine-archive/october-2009/money/traffic-t- icket-myths/overview/traffic-ticket-myths-ov.htm

    The first 'myth' relating to passing speeds is flat out wrong!

    RCW 46.61.425
    (1) No person shall drive a motor vehicle at such a slow speed as to impede the normal and reasonable movement of traffic except when reduced speed is necessary for safe operation or in compliance with law: PROVIDED, That a person following a vehicle driving at less than the legal maximum speed and desiring to pass such vehicle may exceed the speed limit, subject to the provisions of RCW 46.61.120 on highways having only one lane of traffic in each direction, at only such a speed and for only such a distance as is necessary to complete the pass with a reasonable margin of safety.

    Sorry if I seem to be on a bit of a warpath today.. but some of this stuff just drives me nuts! :confuse:

    Cheers!
    Paul
  • tallman1tallman1 Member Posts: 1,874
    The first 'myth' relating to passing speeds is flat out wrong!

    Wow... maybe that isn't the norm in other states. I grew up in WA so I figured everyone knew you could speed to pass on a two lane road.
  • the_big_althe_big_al Member Posts: 1,079
    That pretty much sums up in plain english how we should treat the left lane... not that we all on this board follow that ;), but it is pretty much the most considerate way to drive. I actually think it's a pretty well written law. Now if we could just get everyone else to obey :shades:
  • the_big_althe_big_al Member Posts: 1,079
    i can't remember whether it was AZ or OR, but I had to take a driver's license test in both states. One in AZ when I was 16 and one in OR after I was married and moved there. On one of the tests it had a question related to passing and it stated that you may NOT exceed the speed limit to pass. I thought it very restrictive indeed because in order to pass in the safest most efficient manner, one would would want do so as quickly as possible. For example, that isn't going to happen if are only allowed to go 55 to pass someone going 50 (if the SL is 55). It would be much safer and quicker to speed up to 65 or even 70 to pass and thus reducing the amount of time spent in the oncoming traffic lane.

    I actually see this quite often though. I'll be in a group of cars going below the SL and be #2 or #3 back. The cars in front move over to pass when clear, but it seems as if they have forgotten where the gas pedal is and it takes them several seconds to get past. When I have to make a pass, I punch it. Pedal to the floor. Sure it uses a little more gas, but it gets me to a good passing speed very quickly and past very quickly. I don't keep it floored during the whole pass usually (sometimes I have to though), but once I get to 15 mph or so faster than the vehicle I am over taking I let up a little. Usually by then I am about past any way and move over...
  • 210delray210delray Member Posts: 4,721
    From CR: To nix traffic tickets, know these 5 myths:

    It's OK to speed when passing another car.

    "Not true," says William Van Tassel, national manager of driver training programs at the American Automobile Association. "You're not allowed to exceed the speed limit for any reason."


    This is the case in VA, where you are not supposed to exceed the speed limit to pass.
  • oldfarmer50oldfarmer50 Member Posts: 24,234
    "...you may NOT exceed the speed limit to pass..."

    That's the law here in NY. Kind of stupid I think.

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  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,446
    I am surprised that some areas can't speed to pass either. That just doesn't make any sense...spending too long in the oncoming lane passing a slowpoke is far more dangerous than going 10 over. Looks like WA is progressive on one thing anyway.

    I have to wonder if most of the people who make such laws have ever actually driven a car before....
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    "I have to wonder if most of the people who make such laws have ever actually driven a car before.... "...

    I don't know, but it obviously doesn't matter. Here is a lawmaker in action (democrat) "I was just not paying attention."

    In CA he would merely have to give the ticket to an aide and it would be... ah hem.... taken care of. If it was done in a state car, the taxpayer's would pick up the tab.
  • hammerheadhammerhead Member Posts: 907
    I remember in Driver's Ed (way back when) :) the recommended passing speed was 15 mph over the speed of the vehicle being passed. Minimize your exposure in the oncoming lane!

    I actually found the email address of the so-called expert at AAA who gave CR the quote. I'm tempted to comment to him directly but don't want to be considered a stalker :shades:

    Cheers!
    Paul
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    How about this one? link title

    Not bad , eh? a helicopter escort. :shades:
  • euphoniumeuphonium Member Posts: 3,425
    Now if we could just get everyone else to obey THE SPEED LIMIT!
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,446
    And lane discipline laws, and vehicle obstruction laws, and distracted driver laws, and so on...

    Of course, only one seems to draw ire, even though legalities rarely give it dominance.

    Limits that were seen as fine and dandy for my grandpa in his underbraked marginal handling 1953 Ford in....well....1953, aren't relevant to the modern world.
  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,696
    We're all (or most) right there with you, Paul!

    When I was driving through Yellowstone back in June, I passed a pickup/5th-wheel combo that was driving 40 in a 45 zone. The driver politely pulled near the shoulder to indicate a safe passing area, and I confirmed then took it. I sped up to about 55 as I shot by due to the relatively heavy traffic in the area and the closing sight distance. Then, just as I completed the pass and began to slow, I saw a park ranger tagging traffic in the distance. I thought for sure he was going to stop me and I would have to argue my passing case, but he must have seen me as I performed the maneuver and noted that my vehicle's speed was decreasing again after I finished it.
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  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    I haven't looked in a while, but I think CA still has the law, if you impede 5 vehicles, you need to use a turn out.
  • hammerheadhammerhead Member Posts: 907
    Probably never going to happen.
    And 'we' aren't going to do it at any rate.

    As I said before, get out of their way & let them take their chances down the road. Maybe it'll take awhile, but if folks continually drive in a manner that draws attention to themselves, it'll happen.

    Cheers!
    Paul
  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,696
    That law is alive and well in Alaska, though rarely enforced (as we discuss with LLC...). Given the large percentage of out-of-state drivers on the major highways, I think it would be better-heeded if the law was regularly posted. I have only ever seen it posted on the Seward highway, where turnouts are now readily available and traffic flow is heavy.

    I am not certain, but I think the Seward Highway is one of the most deadly in America, so every bit of courtesy a driver can muster on that road really does go a long way toward both reducing congestion and making it a safer road for all.
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  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    Indeed those roads where a "turn out" was used/enforced were VERY dangerous, and not surprisingly VERY slow. Usually a double yellow solid line, separated on coming traffic, with road and gravity pulling them. Some of those "blood" alleys are still around but thank fully a fair number have been corrected.
  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel Member Posts: 19,592
    I poked around the IL Status and found no such mention of allowing you to speed.

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  • tallman1tallman1 Member Posts: 1,874
    I find it fascinating that no one has mentioned a state that allowed speeding when passing on a two lane road other than Washington. I've got to think that places like Montana, Wyoming, etc. would allow it.

    I would imagine that even the most conservative driver would get around someone as quickly as possible. Although I suppose the most conservative driver wouldn't even pass, no matter how slowly the car in front was going. :shades:
  • tjc78tjc78 Member Posts: 16,987
    I've got to think that places like Montana, Wyoming, etc. would allow it.

    On two laners in Montana you will find a fair amount of semis... the speed limit on those roads is usually 70. I have passed semis on those roads and can tell you to do it safely you have to take it to at least 80 - 85. There isn't much traffic but its hilly and when the road is flat you have to go for and get it done before the next incline. Of course the speeding isn't a big deal since there is little (if any) highway patrol going on in Montana from my experience.

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  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,696
    I mentioned one.... Alaska.... but I suppose that doesn't really count, huh? After all, we have about as many road miles in the whole state as one city in Washington. :P
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  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    As huge and as vast a state as Alaska is, because it is not in the contiguous US; it is STILL seen as some lands gotten in a poker game treaty. :lemon:

    But I think the main point is most folks are ignoring the local practices/translations. Most folks forget LEO's can stop you for WHATEVER reason. If they want it to stick in court, they have to look more closely at "probable cause". As most folks probably do not know, not many go to court. One reason is by the time you pay the lawyers fees etc, it can look cheaper to pay the original fine.
  • tallman1tallman1 Member Posts: 1,874
    Oh yeah, forgot about Alaska. Sorry, Wes. :blush:
  • euphoniumeuphonium Member Posts: 3,425
    Between Dawson City and Chicken is like a few roads in Eastern WA.
  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,696
    I am embarrassed to say that I have never been on that road, but I know what you mean. That was the norm on the roads I drove in Eastern Oregon as well.
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  • eliaselias Member Posts: 2,209
    Here's the link to an article about it.
    Thank you to those who expressed concern. I was just trying to get to my first day at a new job; I did not witness the accident, just the aftermath.
    It was the same accident that was mentioned in a previously posted link.

    If the 2 now-dead-guys really were LeftLaneHogs, I doubt they they felt smug & self-righteous during the few seconds before they died.

    http://www.milforddailynews.com/news/x1373205038/Two-killed-in-crash-on-I-495-Ho- pedale-man-uninjured .

    euphonium i see post after post from you in which you take joy in impeding faster traffic in the left lane, even using boldface letters. The vast majority of drivers around here seem to be wise enough to avoid impede the left lane - instead they tend to impede the *middle* lane of the 3 lane highway.

    Personally I tend to avoid the left lane when it is "stacked up" with speeders all tailgating whomever.
    ( I find that's a great time to chillax in the right or middle lane.)

    My general goal on a busy highway is to adjust my driving to increase safety for everyone on the road, including the LeftLaneHogs and speeders!
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    Personally I tend to avoid the left lane when it is "stacked up" with speeders all tailgating whomever.

    I usually make better time in the right lane on the 4 lane "collector" highway from my area to downtown Boise. Even with the center turn lane, the right lane often moves faster than the left lane.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,446
    Very often, especially between maybe Seatac-Olympia on I-5, the right lane will be the actual fast lane- as the left lane will be bogged down with LLCs and people who are too optimistic.
  • euphoniumeuphonium Member Posts: 3,425
    Leave your Sunroof open & your halo will blow off. ;)
  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,696
    I am not sure if this will help anything or not, but I think euphonium has merely stated that he does not make a special effort to get out of the way of those who are speeding; that seems reasonable to me.

    Speeds above the general flow of traffic are maintained as conditions allow. If he is passing another vehicle using the left lane and another vehicle driving faster than him comes along, that driver simply needs to wait until he completes the pass in order to resume the faster speed.

    Perhaps he has, but I have not noticed euphonium advocate anything to the contrary.
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