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  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    Saw a small woman in an Excursion (!) visibly texting while "driving". Should be at least a 4 digit fine, if not more.

    I also see no reason why such vehicles shouldn't require license endorsements.
  • gogogodzillagogogodzilla Member Posts: 707
    Nah, that's the only real situation where I believe that police brutality is justified.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    The billy club has to be useful for something, eh. But seriously, that's the kind of person who will end up killing someone, eventually.

    Today's winners - hilariously stereotypical suit in an xDrive 328i with a phone to his ear (shouldn't these have bluetooth), and a big lifted Dodge 4 door 4x4 making a right turn from the left lane, cutting across 2 lanes. Nothing else, traffic was even moving along well enough.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    edited February 2013
    Should have known not to venture out on a Saturday before 5pm - idiot city out there.

    First off, heading down a hill, 35mph 4 lane road, I am in the left lane going ~38. From a commercial driveway, an XC90 slowly wobbles out and hits about 15mph, vacuous well kept middle aged woman driving, of course. I pass on the right and dodge her like a pylon.

    Second, same road, a mile later. Still in the left lane (cars in left lane often slowing to turn), going about the speed limit, Venza comes over from a parking lot on the left, and sits in the middle/turn lane. Fine, as it is a common procedure to merge. Instead of waiting for traffic to pass, she just dawdles out at about 22mph. I flash my lights several times as I hit the brakes, and she quickly moves right - and goes even slower.

    Third, heading down another hill, 30mph zone, 2 lane road, I am going the speed limit. Girl wearing one of those stupid knit caps with ear covers, in a Q5 pauses at an intersection to my right, rolls through the stop sign, pulls out right in front of me. She's not even looking, rather distracted by I think her passenger. Hopefully next time she pulls that one, the texter in the Excursion will be coming, and she'll have some time to reconsider her attention gaps.

    And it was all topped off by idiotic irresponsible negligent traffic controls - you'd have 20 cars waiting to cross an empty street that had green. I went into the wrong part of the workforce, should have gone untouchable public sector.
  • ronsteveronsteve Member Posts: 1,234
    edited February 2013
    I was approaching a stoplight on a road that is initially 2 lanes in each direction, but my westbound side fans out to 3 lanes, plus a right turn lane. It's also worth noting that just after the stoplight, the #3 lane becomes an exit-only lane for the freeway ramp.

    I was in the #1 lane, and got a little concerned about how much the guy in front of me might slow down because the #2 lane looked a bit loaded up. And then I saw why... an Odyssey had come to a full stop, because he needed to make a right turn... nothing like being 2 lanes out of position.

    Why can't people think past the end of their hood? I guess I should just be thankful that the Odyssey hadn't stopped to make that right from my lane.

    Can't wait to see what's next, now that it's raining.
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  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    Do you live in the Seattle metro area? That's a typical local move - forget you needed to turn, then move over and block lanes in the delayed attempt.

    The rain here is fun too - only rains say 400 days a year, and a light rain will often bring freeway traffic to a crawl, like the "drivers" have never seen it before. A rainy morning can make a 20 mile drive take 90 mins or more.

    Out today in the old car. 35mph road, RAV4 is ahead of me in lane to my right, turn only lane. Veers over in front of me, then slows way down. I pass on the left, teenage girl with a phone to hear ear. I wave at her and make a put down the phone gesture, she gives me the finger. Hopefully her errant driving will eventually get her off the road, and not voluntarily.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    Got behind a brand new unplated X5, no signal use. I swear it is an optional feature on that model, one that nobody orders.
  • Kirstie_HKirstie_H Administrator Posts: 11,242
    Conserving use of turn signals is for resale value, so it can be advertised, "Turn signals: barely used."

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  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    I should peruse BMWCCA classsifieds and see if any owners are claiming that :shades:

    One of a series of cartoons about BMWs and their drivers:

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  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    edited February 2013
    Out on foot this morning. Approaching an intersection of one busy street to another, I notice a G37 quickly moving in the left turn lane to turn left onto the street where I am standing. I notice he is turning too wide, he veers across the lane and heads for the curb. I jump back, he grabs the wheel at the last second and just misses hopping the curb - he might have scraped it. Phone in his right hand :sick:

    Then not 60 seconds later at the same intersection, guy in a W211 E-class makes a left turn from the far right lane, so cutting across the left lane and the turn lane, no signal.

    And when jogging over a bridge, on the off-ramp below, saw a late 90s Jetta that had rear-ended an early 00s F-series maybe a few minutes earlier. Truck had no apparent damage, Jetta wasn't going to be leaving under its own power.
  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,681
    Hahaha; things are interesting in your area. Not that the curb-hopper was a laughing matter; I was laughing in more of an "I pity you" sort of way. Such cluelessness is baffling.
    2018 Subaru Crosstrek, 2014 Audi Q7 TDI, 2013 Subaru Forester, 2013 Ford F250 Lariat D, 1976 Ford F250, 1969 Chevrolet C20, 1969 Ford Econoline 100
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    I was kind of hoping he'd hop it - I could have moved out of the way, and the damage would have been significant.

    Nobody moves to western WA for quality drivers.
  • backybacky Member Posts: 18,949
    First one: 3-lane arterial with left turn lanes, 40 mph limit. I'm in left lane as I'm going to turn left in a couple of blocks. One car is in the left turn lane for the cross street ahead, waiting for green arrow. Car ahead of me suddenly stops, puts left turn signal on, and sits there. And there's room for him to move in behind the car already in the turn lane! I was so incredulous, the guy behind me hit the horn before I could. Then I blasted mine and the idiot finally moved over into the turn lane.

    Second one, going home, same road but opposite direction, and road is now 2 lanes each direction with left turn lanes. On cross street ahead and to the right about 200 feet, a school bus is stopped with its STOP arm out. Cars queued up behind it... completely blocking the intersection. Fortunately, the bus moved in time so most of the cars cleared the intersection before the light turned green.

    Have seen lots of other cases of inconsideration/incompetence over the past few days, mainly failing to clear windows of snow/ice (a biggie on Sunday), failure to put lights on (also on Sunday), failure to signal, and driving at a ridiculous speed on an ice-coated freeway (all those folks were in SUVs, which makes sense as we all know an SUV is immune to sliding on ice :P ). But I thought the first two were extra "special."
  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,681
    Well, the first one seemed extra special, anyway, but I think the second was more commonplace than unusual. :sick:

    As for driving on icy roads, I out-did the SUVs in my Fiesta over the weekend. The roads were initially wet/slushy as I left Wasilla, and gradually turned to mushy (ice pack on the road breaking up a bit, but not what I would consider "slush"). While in the wet/slushy stuff, I was going 65 (SL). I was passed by a couple of pickups and SUVs.

    Later on, in the mushy stuff, which was a bear to drive in (for over 100 miles), I was going an average of probably 60. I quickly caught those silly 4x4s and passed them up. *shrugs*
    2018 Subaru Crosstrek, 2014 Audi Q7 TDI, 2013 Subaru Forester, 2013 Ford F250 Lariat D, 1976 Ford F250, 1969 Chevrolet C20, 1969 Ford Econoline 100
  • backybacky Member Posts: 18,949
    Hope your life insurance is paid up.
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    I remember drives like that. :shades:
  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,681
    edited February 2013
    People who haven't lived in Alaska (no, not even Minnesota counts!) just don't understand what six months of winter driving really means. For me, it actually feels strange for the first couple of weeks in April/May when the roads are dry. The car just doesn't move right. :blush:
    2018 Subaru Crosstrek, 2014 Audi Q7 TDI, 2013 Subaru Forester, 2013 Ford F250 Lariat D, 1976 Ford F250, 1969 Chevrolet C20, 1969 Ford Econoline 100
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    We had to fly out midwinter for a family emergency back in the 90s to Newark, where we rented a FWD car for a two hour drive in the dark in a snowstorm on one of the turnpikes to NY. I was cruising along just fine at 50+ most of the time, except when I'd have to slow for the idiots literally parked in the middle of the three lane.
  • backybacky Member Posts: 18,949
    I've had snow in October (30 inches) through May. Does that count? "Snow season" in MN doesn't end until June. It's not called "Minnesnowta" for nothing. Don't forget we get our winter weather from Siberia just like Alaska does... then it hits the warm air from the Gulf and... BOOM!
  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,681
    edited February 2013
    No, not really, because it's still periodic. It's difficult to get used to driving on icy roads when they aren't that way consistently. It'll snow, melt, snow, melt, repeat.... Here, it snows, stays, snows, stays, snows, stays, until eventually it all melts over a couple weeks' time frame in late April or early May. The roads are varying degrees of slick depending on temperature, but they are constantly covered in ice.

    Granted, heavy snow storms are a tough slog no matter where you live, no doubt about it.

    I'm not meaning to say that anyone's winters "don't count." I'm just saying that someone who drives on ice all the time can get much better at doing it than someone who doesn't. So, I say I was driving at 60-70 on ice, and the response is that person is suicidal. That's not really the case.
    2018 Subaru Crosstrek, 2014 Audi Q7 TDI, 2013 Subaru Forester, 2013 Ford F250 Lariat D, 1976 Ford F250, 1969 Chevrolet C20, 1969 Ford Econoline 100
  • backybacky Member Posts: 18,949
    It's suicidal. Or idiocy--take your pick. Doesn't matter how often you've driven on ice. The laws of physics are the same.

    I've been driving in MN winters for nearly 40 years. I've had many a winter where there's ice on roads for several months. Over the last few years, El Ninos and global warming have shortened the road ice season some. But still a lot of ice to deal with. Some people deal with it more safely than others.
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    edited February 2013
    This is the first really snowy winter we've experienced here in the UP, our third. We have bare pavement showing in lots of spots today. What I haven't seen much of is black ice. That was the main reason for having studs in Anchorage; otherwise you'd just sit and spin at the busy intersections.

    It's a beautiful sunny day here (and the sun actually puts out heat) and no drivers crowded us on our walk over to the in-laws and back (we won't see the sidewalks for another couple of months so we're walking on the side of the road).
  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,681
    Okay.
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  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    Come to Seattle during a snow event if you want to see fun drivers. If you think the AK loonies are bad...imagine the skill people here show on dry roads, but on ice.
  • andres3andres3 Member Posts: 13,928
    As long as they crash outside of moving lanes of traffic, it's hilarious.
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  • andres3andres3 Member Posts: 13,928
    edited February 2013
    Did you signal well ahead of time to make your left turn so that you don't SURPRISE brake the flow of traffic on them?

    People that don't signal should be shot on site, but only after the law is changed to allow you to "stand your ground" against driver's who fail to signal.
    '18 Porsche Macan Turbo, '16 Audi TTS, Wife's '19 VW Tiguan SEL 4-Motion
  • andres3andres3 Member Posts: 13,928
    It's suicidal. Or idiocy--take your pick. Doesn't matter how often you've driven on ice. The laws of physics are the same.

    I don't know about that. xwesx is still alive, and Dorner isn't. Driving fast in an of itself on snow and ice must not be very suicidal or idiotic.

    It doesn't take much traction or friction to maintain a straight path of momentum, so if there are no turns, and no traffic, what is the harm in going any speed whatsoever?

    Also, the laws of physics also state that regardless of speed, you have to have 2 objects trying to occupy the same space at the same time in order for a collision to occur. So if you simply avoid other vehicles and objects, your speed becomes irrelevant.
    '18 Porsche Macan Turbo, '16 Audi TTS, Wife's '19 VW Tiguan SEL 4-Motion
  • andres3andres3 Member Posts: 13,928
    Cameras are the answer, eh? Ok then. But realize they will also be used to enforce other laws, not just phone use/texting... such as running red lights.

    My problem isn't so much with camera's as it is with "automated" camera enforcement, or simply, fast revenue generation enforcement.

    As long as the camera is operated by an expert in the use of that camera, and he or she will show up in court to testify as to the allegations set forth because of the camera, I'm OK with it.

    My biggest problem is traffic courts would convict without any non-hearsay witness to the video tape evidence.
    '18 Porsche Macan Turbo, '16 Audi TTS, Wife's '19 VW Tiguan SEL 4-Motion
  • andres3andres3 Member Posts: 13,928
    I was traveling at and above the posted speed limit in an area with no signs for "Slower traffic keep right."

    That argument will get you about as far as the "I didn't see the posted speed limit sign back there, and the next one wasn't within my visual distance yet," in court.

    Your lucky police officers don't generally enforce laws that promote safety, like left lane camping rules.

    The lack of a visible maximum speed sign does not change the speed limit from 65 to whatever I choose, and the same applies with "slower traffic keep right."

    Ignorance is not a defense I'm told.
    '18 Porsche Macan Turbo, '16 Audi TTS, Wife's '19 VW Tiguan SEL 4-Motion
  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,681
    Oh, heck no, fin! It was bad enough being in Oregon last month and seeing some of the silliness that was created by these folk interacting with a heavy frost, let alone snow!

    I have some close friends who live in Everett now (well, for probably eight years now). They have some fun stories. :sick:
    2018 Subaru Crosstrek, 2014 Audi Q7 TDI, 2013 Subaru Forester, 2013 Ford F250 Lariat D, 1976 Ford F250, 1969 Chevrolet C20, 1969 Ford Econoline 100
  • andres3andres3 Member Posts: 13,928
    Well if you are on a limited access highway and not passing or about to use an exit on the left (rare but they do exist) then it is keep right except to pass.

    That's your best post ever in the history of all you have written on these forums.

    Congratulations! You get one vote for the Pulitzer from me.
    '18 Porsche Macan Turbo, '16 Audi TTS, Wife's '19 VW Tiguan SEL 4-Motion
  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,681
    Funny that you mention that.

    On my way down to Palmer last weekend, I was in a 65 zoned (most of the highway is 65, with the areas around/in towns at 55 or 45) area of the highway that was reconstructed two years ago. This is beautifully smooth blacktop, complete with several passing lanes to help ease traffic congestion and wide areas on either side of the road devoid of vegetation (good visibility for spotting moose approaching the highway).

    I was tooling along at probably 68 as I approached the end of this newly rebuilt area and started wondering where it dropped to 55. Now, I know from experience that the SL on this stretch is 65 to 55 to 45 as one approaches the town of Willow, but I don't know from memory exactly where the limit changes are. What's more, this stretch, being new, has a whole bunch of those "adopt a highway" signs, which are exactly the same size/dimensions as speed limit signs, only blue instead of white. (most areas of the highway have lost theirs due to crashes, snow plowing, etc, and the DOT is slow to replace them) The problem this night was that every single sign on the road was illegible due to a recent snow plow going through and covering them all with a blanket of white.

    One literally could not tell one sign from the next.

    Anyhow, as I approach this end area and started drifting down toward 55, I saw a Trooper vehicle sitting in a pull out, with two illegible signs just ahead of him. I thought, "Hmm... I bet that's the 55 sign."

    Sure enough, on the way home I looked (it was warm that day and all the signs had melted clear) and it was, indeed, the 55 SL sign! Talk about a cheap revenue grab! :mad:
    2018 Subaru Crosstrek, 2014 Audi Q7 TDI, 2013 Subaru Forester, 2013 Ford F250 Lariat D, 1976 Ford F250, 1969 Chevrolet C20, 1969 Ford Econoline 100
  • backybacky Member Posts: 18,949
    Go back and read my post. I wasn't the one turning left right there. My left turn was a couple of blocks up. And yes, when it came time to turn I signaled well ahead of time.

    Watch out about those laws... they might also allow people who get flashed a few times to "stand their ground". :P
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    They crash *everywhere*, that is, when they don't panic and simply abandon their cars in the middle of the road.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    There are some good youtube videos of Seattle and Portland drivers - the latter seems to get more raw ice than Seattle, too.

    Lame winter here so far, no ice related incidents come to mind. If it looks even marginally bad, I just stay off the road.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    edited February 2013
    Not a bad day driving here, other than an early morning incident where a woman pulled out of a driveway right in front of me as I was going ~40 (she quickly veered over when she realized I wasn't slowing down) - but something dumb while on foot. Busy intersection, crosswalk has green, woman with a baby stroller crossing street, late model E-coupe just blindly pulls into intersection and has a pretty close call. How did he not see that? He was turning left too, so he had to stop and block oncoming traffic. Lots of phone holders this evening too, but they were moving along ok.
  • backybacky Member Posts: 18,949
    Re the not slowing down for the idiot pulling out in front of you... be careful on that kind of thing. Even if another driver pulls out in front of you, if you could have done something reasonable and safe to prevent or lessen an accident and didn't, you could be held at fault or at least partially at fault if there's an accident... enough to cause complications in getting damages from the other driver's insurance company.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    edited February 2013
    I might have a dashcam to defend me. I also might go after them personally ..not that I would trust the oh so competent and accountable powers that be to be able to determine what action I should have taken :shades:

    Reminds me of something that happened to a friend of mine - teenage airhead ran a stop sign, hit his car pretty hard front passenger side corner, and she argued that "he should have avoided me". Didn't work. Found out later that it was her second at fault accident - that month.
  • backybacky Member Posts: 18,949
    That dashcam could be a problem for you, ala "You saw the car pulling out in plenty of time to stop, but you kept going and made no attempt to stop. Why?" Better not to depend on the "powers that be" to decide your fate... take matters into your own hands and hit the brakes.
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    Hesitate to call it a full blown anything since it changes from minute to minute. But the only ones out driving past our window are the logging trucks, and they create their own blizzard as they cruise past.

    (Enough of the "last clear chance" talk please, and thank you).
  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,681
    Those trucks certainly make their own blizzards! The worst part about snow driving on two lane roads is when a big rig passes in the other direction. There's always a few seconds where you're simply driving by faith alone (especially during the day), regardless of how slowly you're moving.
    2018 Subaru Crosstrek, 2014 Audi Q7 TDI, 2013 Subaru Forester, 2013 Ford F250 Lariat D, 1976 Ford F250, 1969 Chevrolet C20, 1969 Ford Econoline 100
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    I like the wake they kick up in the rain, especially if their mudflaps aren't up to spec.
  • andres3andres3 Member Posts: 13,928
    An inconsiderate pickup driver changed lanes directly in front of me at about 5 MPH when I was traveling at the correct posted speed of 40 MPH in the middle lane to his right. I was forced to swerve a bit right while passing him, and luckily for me the semi truck coming up from behind in the right lane was alert enough not to scrape my right side.

    I have to admit I don't know how close the truck was at the start of my swerve (but I did know I had room on the right). Would have made an interesting case for the insurance companies to sort out. My only other option would have been to slam the brakes and ram him, since he pulled out in front of me at just about the worst time possible.
    '18 Porsche Macan Turbo, '16 Audi TTS, Wife's '19 VW Tiguan SEL 4-Motion
  • slorenzenslorenzen Member Posts: 694
    Fin,

    several years ago I discovered a windshield treatment called "Aquapel".

    No, it's not anything like other products you may have tried.

    It's so good, I don't even use wipers at night as it makes no difference in vision. Passing a truck with the huge spray is no problem at all.

    You can find it on line, approx. 6.50 per treatment, and it lasts most all fall/winter/spring.

    The trick is when you clean the windshield prior to application, when you think it's clean enough, do it again, and maybe a 3rd time.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    I've heard of that - I think my old independent mechanic sold it too. I'll try it this fall - need to use up my rain-x supply first.

    I love the sensation of driving at moderate speed and having the raindrops simply disappear.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    edited February 2013
    Speaking of rain, was out this afternoon and got caught in a convergence zone squall deluge, worst rain I have seen in many weeks. What got to me was the lack of headlight use, even thought it was past 5pm and pretty dark. Keep dumbing it down.

    Also saw something funny (but not in a ha ha way) - was in traffic, heard a cop with sirens and lights coming from behind, myself and everyone but one vehicle moved over for him. He has to go around this Dodge 4x4 that simply didn't pull over (plenty of room), and then not 30 seconds later, I see the truck run a light that had been red for a good 5 seconds or more. Nice.
  • ronsteveronsteve Member Posts: 1,234
    That dashcam could be a problem for you, ala "You saw the car pulling out in plenty of time to stop, but you kept going and made no attempt to stop. Why?" Better not to depend on the "powers that be" to decide your fate... take matters into your own hands and hit the brakes.

    Or you could live in NC or VA, which are "contributory negligence" states. Just about everywhere else, they go on comparative negligence, i.e. the person who was primarily/mostly at fault for the accident is held responsible. In contributory negligence, if they can show that you were even partly at fault, the other driver's insurance doesn't have to pay for your damages.
    2015 Acura RDX AWD / 2021 VW TIguan SE 4Motion
  • ronsteveronsteve Member Posts: 1,234
    I doubt that "I didn't see any other traffic and I didn't want to wait so dang long for the light to change" will be seen as a valid excuse to avoid a running-red-light ticket based on photo evidence.

    The red light camera photos also contain a key piece of information: how long the light has been red. So if it's an issue that the light didn't change, they'll know if there is any credence to your defense.
    2015 Acura RDX AWD / 2021 VW TIguan SE 4Motion
  • backybacky Member Posts: 18,949
    But the key question is: was the light defective, e.g. the driver sat through a couple light sequences and it never changed, or was the driver simply impatient?
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    edited February 2013
    Or how long should a driver be expected to wait when sitting for several minutes with no cross traffic? Logically, it should be perfectly legal and acceptable to proceed in those conditions. The lights here tend to stick during low traffic hours when they really should be blinking anyway. Never got an answer from the local "engineers" on why they don't.

    On that note, one of the key local intersections with a stuck light finally got fixed, after months of notifications from myself and others. Good enough for government work.
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