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false logic as there is no guarantee that will happen. Going faster might get you to the point on the road at the same time the deer does. So going slower you can let the deer scoot across the road before you get there.
Going faster is not less safe in any way shape or form.
The laws of physics tend to disprove that.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
Whether I go 1 MPH or Light speed from A to B matters not.
Only when you introduce another object trying to occupy the same space at the same time as another object do conflicts occur.
But somehow that escapes you.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
Years ago I was driving alone on an interstate, late afternoon in late summer, probably doing about 70 in a Honda. Suddenly my peripheral vision caught something coming from the right side very fast, a deer running and I believe I reacted by hitting the brakes. I saw it flash in front of my hood/bumper and heard something like a light thud or a tick sound. The deer continued across the median and I quickly lost sight of it. Got off first opportunity and stopped at gas station. Looked at front bumper. On driver's side of bumper, found pieces of hair (deer) stuck in a trim strip that was mounted along the length of the bumper. My guess is I hit a leg of the deer, but just barely.
If I had braked just an instant later, perhaps the deer would be in my hood and then up to the windshield. A couple of instants later and the deer would hit the side of the car.
Driving at night in rural areas on two lane roads with oncoming traffic makes it very difficult to continually scan the sides of the road for deer. Without oncoming traffic, it is easy to see a lot of the sides of the road with my xenon headlights.
With oncoming traffic at night in autumn on two lane roads in rural deer areas, I guess I am inconsiderate to some drivers behind me in that I drive less than the speed limit.
the one I hit was as you described. country 2 lane road, no streetlights. A car coming toward me, so I was looking to the right to avoid being blinded. The deer came from the other side of the road, right as that car passed me. He was just there as my field of vision opened up, and I don't recall if I even had time to hit the brakes. Was not going fast, but still a solid thump. He ended up in the ditch, and thankfully I had a Nissan PU so I "pushed" instead of flipping him. Went back later, and seems he got up and walked off. I had a dented hood lip, cracked grill, but not that bad.
last spring, was driving early on Sunday morning on an interstate in central NY (boonies). A silverado had passed me, and I was about even with his rear tires. Suddenly he slowed, so I went to the brakes (figuring a cop), and right then a deer shot across from in front of him. Never saw it, since the truck was blocking it out totally.
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
You seem unable to understand that there's more factors in play than just speed limits. Car design, including active safety features that help avoid accidents, hasn't been stagnant since many years ago, when speed limits were 55. How about actual average speeds in major metro areas, where most miles are driven in the US--have those increased, stayed the same, or decreased in the past 40 years?
No, I need to see evidence that if speed limits were increased in the United States to 100+ mph from where they are today, and in many states that's in the 55-65 range, the number of accidents on those highways won't increase.
thanks.
As for autobahning in preious posts - how else would we know who was over there?
Inconsiderates today - Mazda 6 with local plates but out of state frames, sometimes going 25 in a 40, When the road widened, I smoothly passed on the left, and suddenly we were both going 45. Once I was past, he slowed back down and eventually vanished. Three cheers for idiocy. On foot, got crosswalk crowded by a vacuous young woman in a Lexus IS. Also saw quite a few phone holders, as usual. My commute was finished off by getting stuck in a turn lane with a negligently maintained light that was letting 5 cars through when 10 were in line. Four cheers for oh so skilled "traffic engineers".
http://www.philly.com/philly/news/Convertible_car_drives_down_Art_Museum_steps.h- tml
Happened twice this week. In both cases we drivers were at 40 mph and the impacts were avoided. In both cases, had we been at 60mph the results would have been different.
Perhaps those arguing for speed own a body shop.
The Solomon curves PROVES beyond any tinge of doubt that crash involvement increases as you deviate further and further from the average speed of traffic. It is a U-shaped curve that bottoms out at about 5 over the average speed. It rises just as fast on the slow side as the fast side, only it doesn't start rising significantly until you go more than 10 over the average rate of traffic.
so son passes, expecting to see a geriatric. But no. Younger person, typing on a cell held in front of his face.
really not a cop when you need one!
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
I also noticed some motorcycle talk in another thread. The lowest common denominator garbage on the road here is making me not want to buy a bike, at least not for city use. I put off a purchase I had planned as the fintail drank down enough to buy a roadworthy used bike or a good payment towards a new one - but now all I see are these incompetents hitting bikes. The weekly bike fatalities I see on the news don't help either. I wish the population density wasn't so high here, and the ability of the drivers wasn't so low.
now, if I was out in the country, maybe. Always wanted a dirt bike!
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
A few months ago. I spent a Sunday afternoon on a Yamaha dual sport (like a toned down road going dirtbike), and I liked it a lot. I was in a very low traffic area, so I only had to worry about my own abilities.
The X6 seems to attract a certain type of driving ability.
I drove a bit yesterday, didn't see anything too bad, other than general slowness which is a regional disease. 10 under on the highway, crawling around on already laughably underposted side streets, nearly stopping for turns, inability to pull off a u-turn on a wide street, etc. Seattle "style" - nice place to live, just not entirely first world. I also visited Costco, where the parking lot never disappoints - a fun mix of clueless new drivers, frazzled housewives and oblivious oldsters.
And it's not all that good of a place to be, after dark.
If law enforcement made a half hearted effort and spent time on real safety and efficiency issues, we would haven't regions like Seattle.
I think that you are "misguided". Go ahead and try to explain what you are talking about
For example... all the people I saw in the past few days driving in rain, in dim light, w/o lights on. It's against the law to do that, but LE can't be everywhere. I'm thinking maybe it was the fault of those drivers for not turning on their headlights vs. the fault of LE. Just maybe.
Out in the dark rain tonight, 4 cars with no lights: Sebring, Taurus, Sorento, Sequoia. Also the usual dearth of turn signals. Harder to see idiots holding phones in the dark, but I saw a couple.
Inconsiderate driving is a direct result of grossly inadequate traffic safety education and Cracker Jack-prize quality licensing qualifications.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
It is the job of LEO's to provide negative reinforcement when people drive inconsiderately AND illegally (though they could still pull over the former for a warning and talking to).
Because LEO's spend 99% of their traffic time waiting in the bushes for someone to break the speed limit by a lousy 15 MPH, they lose the opportunity to actually provide humans with good direction on how they should drive.
Often I think bad driving is a result of ignorance; someone mentioned inadequate education. That falls in this category.
For example, someone driving in the left lane at the speed limit might think they are being lawful because they misread the sign that says "Slower traffic keep right" as saying "slower than speed limit traffic keep right." Or they might not know that the left lane is for passing only. Simple ignorance.
Same thing with people that kill or injure themselves or others due to unintended acceleration. They may have just not known to "put it in neutral" if they live to tell about it.
Granted, there are some out there that feel no one should drive a single MPH faster than they do, no matter the circumstances, but I think a good portion of the inconsiderates out there are just plain clueless.
But we as humans can choose how we react in most circumstances. So the analogy fails since five different people can react five completely different was to the exact same thing.
Because LEO's spend 99% of their traffic time waiting in the bushes for someone to break the speed limit by a lousy 15 MPH, they lose the opportunity to actually provide humans with good direction on how they should drive.
How they should drive? You mean like not speeding?
Also a "lousy 15 MPH"?
LEO's cause inconsiderate driving much the same way as LEO's cause bank robberies. In short they don't. We will always have inconsiderate drivers as long as we have drivers, it is just human nature to be a bit on the selfish side and to be completely unaware of it. Enforcing laws won't solve it, better education won't solve it, it will always be with us. Sure we can minimize it, but we can never eliminate it. Everyone on this forum has done inconsiderate things and will do them again, some more than others.
Heck sometimes being "inconsiderate" might simple be a matter of getting to point 'A' first. How many times has someone been called "inconsiderate" because while passing traffic in the left lane they didn't gun it when the guy doing a lousy 15 MPH over the limit ran up their rear end?
Just slow down and chill out, you'll live longer and enjoy the time better.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
Pulling over speeders does nothing to prevent accidents or make our roads safer. The cops are pulling over speeders doing about 10-20 over the speed limit, generally the safest drivers on the road. They are not doing a good job pulling over people going 25+ over. They are not doing a good job pulling over left lane campers. They are not doing a good job pulling over people that don't signal. They are not doing a good job pulling over cell phone users. All things that cause exponentially more accidents than "speeding." 25+ over might be considered "reckless driving" in some circumstances.
The vast amount of wasted resources on this illogical obsession with speeding (were you formerly a traffic cop?) seems misguided and misplaced.
The LEO's do a good job of ticketing speeders. Unfortunately, it doesn't help with inconsiderate and unsafe drivers.
No speeding law should be written that doesn't make unsafe driving a prerequisite to accuse someone of "speeding."
Still having trouble with certain merging ramps on I-75 where folks don't even look to see if anyone's in the right hand lane: they just merge right on expecting everyone to clear out for them. Had complained to the State Police. Noticed today there were 3 OSP cars in the area of one of the problem ramps in that busy area--coincidence?
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
The illogical obsession with speeding is with those who feel that posted speed limits are too low or WAY too low. What is it about an immature or infantile desire to want to drive at much higher speeds than what is posted? Is it a thrill or a high to go over the limit? Like a tv news show commentator who says he gets chills up his leg when he hears the president speak?
Speeders are inconsiderate drivers.
Truckers who don't slow down have caused many accidents in a major construction zone in downtown Dayton as the lanes are merged onto one side's overpasses and raised ground-supported old interstate. 45 limit.
Running through the construction, I slowed to 51-52 in the leftmost of 3 lanes. There was behind me who'd run in faster than the other two trucks in lane 1 and lane 2. Came up on me about 15 feet behind. Probably thought, "Buick, grey hair; he'll be intimidated." Instead my wife took his truck number. The trucking company located about 60 miles away in NW Ohio did NOT have their phone on the truck or she would have called from the car. I called later, described the speeding, the tailgating, that he was going faster than two other trucks who slowed to a nominal 55, and that he flashed his headlights to get me to move out of "his" lane where he would set the speed limit.
Our problem is many of these drivers were going 70 mph a few miles up the road now that Ohio raised the max from 65 mph to 70 for everybody.
I left my name and phone with the safety officer if the manager/owner wanted more info and I included a brief summary of my background to add to my veracity quotient.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
Hopefully.....
I put it to you that you are the one hung up on speed as it is you that tends to bring it up
The Solomon curve already proves driving a bit faster than average is safest
Irrelevant since the Solomon curve is about relative speed not absolute speed. Also when vehicles that are slowing down to turn are taken into account the curve changes.
Again I stand by my statement that speeding is as inconsiderate as anything else and LEO's are not to blame.
Again chill out and slow down you will live longer and better enjoy life.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
Last call, gentlemen.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
Gee barkeep your liquor hours sure are short in this neck of the woods.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
I was on a two mile long park road with a 15 mph limit this afternoon, and several people caught up to me. But there were plenty of pull-outs so I would just move over and let them go on. Of course, twice my wife made me park in the pull-out and tromp through the wet leaves over to the bluff for a closer lake view.
Tonight in the dark and rain - only one car without headlights! A Maxima. To be fair, the parking lights were on - for the brilliant mind who wants to be visible, just not *too* visible. Only crosswalk crowder was a Volt, also saw a woman in a Tahoe with a phone to her ear turn left on a stale red. That vehicle class dearly needs license endorsements.
Fair enough but to clarify; my position on this is that speeding is inconsiderate and my statement of slow down isn't about driving.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
i was far enough behind the traffic in front of me that stopping slow enough so the guy behind me wouldn't hit me was no big deal. My real concern is this was through a forest preserve and it's deer mating season. That means that the chance of a deer suddenly popping out of the bush and across the street is much higher now.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
Paul, you should get a kick out of this.....
When my family was on our transcontinental trip in September, we stopped in Spokane to visit a some family friends for a few hours. After leaving, our plan was to take I90 to 395, then down to Pendleton. No problems fishing ourselves out of Spokane, and off we went on I90W. After a little while we were dropping down into the Columbia Basin proper, and I started reminiscing (I was chatting away about this and that). The directions we had on hand said we were supposed to take a fork onto 395, but didn't really specify where that was to happen.
So, I just drove and drove, waiting to find this "fork" that I never recall seeing before. In the past, it was an exit that swung around over the highway and south. Well, turns out, it's still that same exit. But, I didn't see it for the trees, so I finally come across a mileage sign that indicates Moses Lake is coming up in about 50 miles. I was like.... "Moses Lake?! Um, honey, will you check the map to see which exit I was supposed to take? I never came across any fork." Well, we were about fifteen miles beyond where we needed to be! So, finally, about four miles further down, I came to a typical rural interchange that allowed me to duck onto the highway in the opposite direction.
Happily, we only need to drive about five miles east before we were able to drop south onto a nice landscape-hugging county road and weave our way back to 395. Funny thing is, we managed to drive about nine thousand miles before we made it to Spokane, and we had no problems traversing that distance without getting lost. But get into familiar territory and all bets are off! :P
Speaking of deer from earlier, I am glad I am in an area with enough population density to keep them off the road. I was in SE WA last month, deer were a common sight, and I came across one that had been hit not long before I arrived. A mess, and it was a big one - I hope it was a truck involved, and not a small car.