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  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415

    Today I saw a large box truck pull over on a winding hilly road and let traffic move past, nicely considerate. The slow turners around here aren't considerate - you're not going to tip over in your RAV4 or other box if you turn at more than 5mph. Also, Oregon's obsolete 55mph limits on state highways are kind of dumb, but most seem to go 65 anyway, with little to no enforcement.

  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    edited September 2014

    Those Oregon limits do seem too low in many rural parts of the state. It was the same in the UP, but up there you couldn't see very far for the trees and there were lots of deer. I caught myself spacing out and going 90mph on one stretch of rural two lane in eastern Oregon one time back in the Boise years.

    An oddity around here are the 25 mph zones with the flashing lights. They aren't for schools though, but for hospitals. It's not like there's a lot people wandering around trying to cross the four lane collector road on crutches or wheelchairs. I don't get it.

  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,683

    @euphonium said:
    Thanks for the good news. We land @ Haines Monday morning & drive from there.

    Fun! You should have a great time. Watch out for frost and/or ice/snow in places. It's not uncommon this time of year along the Alaska Highway.

    2018 Subaru Crosstrek, 2014 Audi Q7 TDI, 2013 Subaru Forester, 2013 Ford F250 Lariat D, 1976 Ford F250, 1969 Chevrolet C20, 1969 Ford Econoline 100
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481

    yeah, skeeters are pretty much gone now. I remember having to wear a gauze mask so I wouldn't inhale them in the bush. Sometimes, we'd just take the plane to higher altitude to get relief from them (and from work). Open the cockpit door and watch hundreds of them drop dead.

    I loved driving in Alaska. Whenever you had a problem, someone would ALWAYS stop to help you. Once in a snowstorm, a truck passed me and the snow spray obligerated my windshield for a few seconds---and I drove right into a snowbank.

    Damned if he didn't turn the rig around some miles down the road, come back, and chain me out!

  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,683

    Not as common as it used to be, but there are still those of us around.

    2018 Subaru Crosstrek, 2014 Audi Q7 TDI, 2013 Subaru Forester, 2013 Ford F250 Lariat D, 1976 Ford F250, 1969 Chevrolet C20, 1969 Ford Econoline 100
  • jjackson12jjackson12 Member Posts: 46
    Monday in northern Michigan on a lightly traveled I-75, I was cruising in the right lane with nobody within a quarter mile of me. I noticed a car in the left lane coming up quickly, then it slowed quickly just behind me in the left lane and settled next to me. As I looked down at the car, I see a lifted shirt and two lovely breasts looking back at me.

    Caught off guard, I just smiled. The driver punched it and all I saw was the rear tail lights of a Mustang vanishing into the horizon.

    Distracting and inconsiderate?

    I don't think so! :-)
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    GoPro or it didn't happen. :D
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    Let me guess, you were driving a Wagon Queen Family Truckster? ;)

    Lots of speed-variers on I5 the past couple days - I might be the only one who uses cruise. I get a little irritated when the same idiot passes me, then slows, then passes me, and so on.

  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    Saw a fender bender today - Dodge Nitro rear-ended a first gen Legend sedan today, in a school zone. Couldn't see damage on the old car, newer car had a crooked bumper.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    Back home now. Easy drive - even northbound 405 was a breeze, but the LLCs were out in force on 167, which isn't unusual. Saw a few WSP on the state highway, and 1 or two on the interstate - I wonder if there's a half month quota (I mean, speed kills). Drove to an appointment this morning, had a big 4x4 4 door late model Chevy truck behind me, which didn't use a signal once. My other car is a BMW? :)
  • jjackson12jjackson12 Member Posts: 46
    stever said:

    GoPro or it didn't happen. :D

    My wife saw me looking at dashcams online last week. I explained to her how they could be a benefit in the event of an accident to prove blame, and showed her a Russian dashcam video. She bought that explanation and warned me not to spend too much. Truthfully, I'm not sure I really need one.

    Fast forward to Saturday night when we were having dinner with a close friend and his wife. Tom somehow brings up the story that I told him about getting flashed.

    From across the table I get a GOTCHA look from my wife. No words were required, I was busted.

    Tom is a good friend, but sometimes he really talks too much.
  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,683
    edited September 2014

    Tom is a good friend, but sometimes he really talks too much.

    LOL! That just made my day!
    2018 Subaru Crosstrek, 2014 Audi Q7 TDI, 2013 Subaru Forester, 2013 Ford F250 Lariat D, 1976 Ford F250, 1969 Chevrolet C20, 1969 Ford Econoline 100
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    lol, me too. :D
  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,023
    edited September 2014
    Maybe not inconsiderate, so much as unfortunate, but when I came home today, I happened upon a 90's GMC half-ton that was overloaded with topsoil from the dirt place up the road. Took this pic from the edge of my yard...sorry for the grainy quality, but it's an iPhone, and from this point was a few hundred feet away. I didn't want to actually go up close and take a pic, in case the owner was around!


    I don't know if anything actually broke on it, but it was weighted down so much that the rear tire was rubbing on the metal of the wheel opening. I'm guessing it had a cubic yard of dirt in it, which is how they sell it at that place, and it probably weighed about 2800 lb. At least, that's what they told me when I made the mistake of trying this same stunt a few years back with my '85 Silverado, which is only a half-ton as well!

    In my case, I lucked out though. Got the first load home, and when I dumped it out, I saw how little a cubic yard really was, so I went back and got another. And then, another. However, that third time, I was tired, so I just let it sit and took a break, deciding to shovel it out later. And then, while I was having a beer, I heard two snaps. Turns out my truck had settled down just enough that it put a strain on the exhaust, which was already rusty in places, and the tailpipes both snapped off at the muffler. I ended up getting a new exhaust, from the catalytic converter back, for about $300 I think. If that.

    And I learned that the next time I needed dirt, to just get it by the dumptruck load. Even 14 cubic yards doesn't go *that* far! And it's worth the $75 or whatever they charge to deliver it!
  • slorenzenslorenzen Member Posts: 694
    and parked in front of a fire hydrant...bad luck...

    B)
  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,683
    slorenzen said:

    and parked in front of a fire hydrant...bad luck...

    B)

    Hahhaha; yeah, just think of all the ado this driver is going to cause the neighborhood dogs!

    2018 Subaru Crosstrek, 2014 Audi Q7 TDI, 2013 Subaru Forester, 2013 Ford F250 Lariat D, 1976 Ford F250, 1969 Chevrolet C20, 1969 Ford Econoline 100
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,683
    Do a poll on nonsense, and that's the result you'll get. ;)
    2018 Subaru Crosstrek, 2014 Audi Q7 TDI, 2013 Subaru Forester, 2013 Ford F250 Lariat D, 1976 Ford F250, 1969 Chevrolet C20, 1969 Ford Econoline 100
  • backybacky Member Posts: 18,949
    Re the poll on "nicest" drivers: Minnesota used to be (maybe 30 years ago) the Land of 10,000 Nice Drivers. Not so much anymore, at least not in the Twin Cities. There's still some nice drivers here, but lots of inconsiderate/rude/idiotic drivers also. But relatively speaking, maybe not as bad as in some other cities.
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,675
    edited September 2014
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    2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,

  • jjackson12jjackson12 Member Posts: 46

    .

    I'm not exactly sure what you're trying to say here.
  • euphoniumeuphonium Member Posts: 3,425
    don't drive from haines junction to Tok road contractors have healthy water trucks that make mud.
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    edited September 2014
    My brother will tell you that the mud stains will come off. In about six weeks or so.... Mind the frost heaves.
  • isellhondasisellhondas Member Posts: 20,342
    When I was in the tool business, I wasn't thinking one day and I loaded about a dozen floor jacks
    in the back of my little Nissan pickup. They each weighed probably 75 pounds.

    As I drove over the Vincent Thomas Bridge my steering was as light as a feather and I realized that my front tires were close to being off the ground! It scared the heck out of me!

    I quickly found homes for those jacks!
  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,683
    euphonium said:

    don't drive from haines junction to Tok road contractors have healthy water trucks that make mud.

    Hey, at least they're working on that stretch! The distance from around Destruction Bay to the AK Border is the WORST stretch of the highway for a decade now. They took that entire stretch from a tiny little cat trail to a really nice highway between 1995 and 2000, but it didn't stay nice for long. After quickly falling apart, there has been woefully insufficient efforts to stabilize and smooth the surface. It's a stinkin' minefield!

    Perhaps somewhat ironically, the stretch from the border to Tok was the polar opposite of the Canadian side in the late nineties (e.g., absolutely terrible road), but since then it is a decent-to-excellent road.

    If you're on your way in, let me be the first to say.... "Welcome to Alaska!"
    2018 Subaru Crosstrek, 2014 Audi Q7 TDI, 2013 Subaru Forester, 2013 Ford F250 Lariat D, 1976 Ford F250, 1969 Chevrolet C20, 1969 Ford Econoline 100
  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,023

    When I was in the tool business, I wasn't thinking one day and I loaded about a dozen floor jacks
    in the back of my little Nissan pickup. They each weighed probably 75 pounds.

    As I drove over the Vincent Thomas Bridge my steering was as light as a feather and I realized that my front tires were close to being off the ground! It scared the heck out of me!

    I quickly found homes for those jacks!

    Back in high school, I worked part time after school at a veterinary clinic. We had to move, because the grocery store a few spaces down was expanding, and in the process was going to take out an empty store right next to it, a consignment shop, our vet clinic, and the video store on the other side of us. We found another location about a half mile away.

    Well, over some break...either the Friday after Thanksgiving, or a Friday around Christmas, we moved. Only problem...the movers showed up that morning, drunk. They backed the truck in behind the building, kind of cock-eyed, put the ramp down. But then, while one of the guys was standing on the ramp, they moved the truck. Pulled forward, so the edge of the ramp dropped off the curb, and then backed up, and when the edge hit the curb, the ramp, well it kind of popped upward, and threw that guy off. At that point, the doctor sent them on their way, and we just rounded up a bunch of pickup trucks to do the job.

    Granddad let me borrow his '85 Silverado...the one I still have, and that I overloaded with dirt a few years ago, overheated it in DC, pulled out a tree stump with, and did other abusive things to over the years. Back then, it had a camper shell on it, which meant that, while you couldn't dump dirt in it, you could pile things higher, than if it didn't have that shell.

    I didn't even think about it, but when it came time to move all the dog and cat food over, we just kept piling it in the back of the truck. And piling. And piling. And not even keeping track of how much weight was going in back there.

    When it came time to drive it over to the new store, I noticed that the steering felt funny...way too light. The exit from that shopping plaza was down a fairly steep hill, and then there was a right turn out onto the main road. I remember going down that hill, and the truck seemed to over-ride the brakes. And going around that turn, I swear it felt like it was going to tip! I got scared at that point, put on the flashers, and limped over to the new store at a snail's pace.

    After we unloaded the truck, I took a tally of everything, and added up all the weights. Looking back, I wonder if I goofed somewhere, but I came in at 5,000 lb! In retrospect though, I wonder if that was anywhere near what it was. Personally, I'd think that for any given volume, dirt would weigh more than dog and cat food. But, when they dump a cubic yard in an 8-foot bed, it doesn't fill the whole thing up. The peak of the pile is above the top of the bed rail, but then it tapers out to the sides, and front and back. In contrast, we had that dog food packed in there tight. And to the ceiling of the camper shell.

    Also, more food for thought...when I overloaded the truck with dirt, I really didn't notice much difference in the way it handled. It didn't list like the Andrea Doria when I made a turn. It wasn't any harder to stop. Steering felt about the same. And while I was gentle taking off with the load of topsoil, the extra weight didn't seem to strain the truck any. So I'm pretty sure that dog food load, if not 5,000 lb, was definitely heavier than the 2800 lob of topsoil. Plus, I guess the camper shell would have added what, maybe 200 lb or so? And that would've helped make it a bit top heavy.

    Regardless, I always kept my mouth shut to Granddad, and never confessed to him about overloading his truck! B)
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    edited September 2014
    Out on 405, 167, and 5 earlier today. No LLCs! But some MLCs, and more than the usual amount of crawlers - people going 50 or under on wide open multi lane 60mph roads. I think it's a Seattle area thing, timid people who really shouldn't be venturing off surface streets at all.

    Saw numerous big trucks and SUVs tailgating, going 10+ over, passing on the right, weaving around. I still see no reason that vehicle class shouldn't have a license endorsement. I need one for a 150cc Vespa, but not for a 42ft motorhome towing an Excursion, or for a lifted Suburban. Makes sense, we don't want to limit freedom.

    Other winners - Camry (of course) speeding up while being passed, Escalade pickup going straight in a turn only lane, and several "drivers" making last second dart across all lanes exits. The lowest common denominator at work.
  • jjackson12jjackson12 Member Posts: 46
    Last night coming around a bend on a 35 mph road that goes around a lake, I came upon a pickup with/trailer backed into a driveway. The truck was sticking out about 5 feet into the road, no lights, no hazards, no reflective markers. Some people are just asking for it.
  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,683
    First day of truly winter driving conditions here! Amazingly, things were pretty tame on the road. Most drivers were even being considerate, which means very few plyons around which I had to maneuver.

    Ah, how I love driving during this time of year!
    2018 Subaru Crosstrek, 2014 Audi Q7 TDI, 2013 Subaru Forester, 2013 Ford F250 Lariat D, 1976 Ford F250, 1969 Chevrolet C20, 1969 Ford Econoline 100
  • isellhondasisellhondas Member Posts: 20,342
    I remember being on a business trip to Fairbanks and it was 25 below. The next week I had to attend a meeting in Honolulu and it was 84.

    I had a diverse wardrobe in those days!
  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,023
    We're in the process of finally, after nearly 30 years, getting a traffic light put up where a 4-lane divided road cuts our street in half. It's not functional yet, and so far, only two poles are up.

    Well, this morning, as I'm going to work, I noticed the police had the intersection blocked off, so you couldn't go straight across or make a left turn. I was okay, as I make a right turn at that intersection. Anyway, it was blocked off, because an '08-12 Malibu was getting winched up onto a rollback wrecker. it had a huge cave-in at the back door, one that seemed to fit the shape of one of those traffic light poles.

    So, either it managed to hit one of the poles, or whatever hit it was already towed away. Kinda makes me wonder though, if this new traffic light is going to kill more people than it saves?

    About 5 1/2 years ago, I went to a community meeting where they had a county official there to give a dog and pony show and answer questions. The subject of traffic safety in general came up. He was hemming and hawing about a lot of issues, and I finally got fed up, stood up and asked "So, how many people DO have to die at an intersection before you finally put in a traffic light?!" He got mad and tried to sidestep the question, but it actually stirred up the crowd a bit, and some of them applauded me.

    Oh, and when I went home for lunch today, I saw that someone had clipped one of the reflector poles along the road in front of my yard, that are there to keep people going into the ditch. The pole was bent back at about a 45 degree angle, and there was some black plastic and a piece of chrome plastic from a car's fascia. I couldn't tell what kind of car it was from, though. Anyway, it wasn't there when I went to work. Oh well, at least it kept them out of the ditch
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    edited October 2014
    xwesx said:

    First day of truly winter driving conditions here!

    I'm going to try really hard not to be that guy, but it cooled down so much here we had to switch to the indoor condo pool this week. B)

    Thirty minutes ago, some guy was texting and idling in his F-150 in the parking space next to one of the community grills. I was cooking some so-so salmon for ten minutes but he wasn't stinking me out in his gasser. Kind of odd; it's not really that hot, there's a nice breeze out and he was idling under some covered parking.
  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,683
    edited October 2014
    LOL. You're definitely that guy, Steve. *shakes his head solemnly* ;)
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  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    edited October 2014
    I haven't complained in awhile, all I can say about today is: holy crap, the phone yappers. Everywhere.

    The other say I saw a sign, something to the effect of "Speed Laws Strictly Enforced". Well I guess if the protectors and servers are going to fail at enforcing distracted driving laws, lane discipline laws, crosswalk laws, turn signal laws, et al, they might as well at least pretend to enforce something well.
  • eliaselias Member Posts: 2,209
    fin, be happy the nearby drivers are on the phone because otherwise they'd be texting.
    there is no middle-ground for many of the northeast USA drivers.... texting-while-driving seems more prevalent in the northeast than anywhere else along the east coast from what I've seen so far. SUV drivers seem to text with the most impunity while driving, maybe because they think nobody can see that they are doing it.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    Good point. Most of what I see is holding a phone to the ear, holding it and talking into it, or reading it - I seldom see active texting.

    elias said:

    fin, be happy the nearby drivers are on the phone because otherwise they'd be texting.
    there is no middle-ground for many of the northeast USA drivers.... texting-while-driving seems more prevalent in the northeast than anywhere else along the east coast from what I've seen so far. SUV drivers seem to text with the most impunity while driving, maybe because they think nobody can see that they are doing it.

  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    "Speed Laws Strictly Enforced" - just don't run into that blue wall
  • slorenzenslorenzen Member Posts: 694
    fintail said:

    "Speed Laws Strictly Enforced" - just don't run into that blue wall

    Pretty maddening, wouldn't you say?

    "OK for me, but not for thee"...

  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    We don't really have a "people are idiots" discussion, so I'll post this here.

    Lit Candle In Car Sparks Fire At Gas Station (Consumerist)
  • ruking1ruking1 Member Posts: 19,826
    stever said:

    We don't really have a "people are idiots" discussion, so I'll post this here.

    Lit Candle In Car Sparks Fire At Gas Station (Consumerist)

    I always thought that WAS the subtitle of this thread. :D
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    edited October 2014
    I'd only be mad if I was surprised. I am far from surprised. More proof that there are several different levels of accountability in society.

    The best part is the reactive-defensive rebuttal that speedtrappers often give warnings. I wonder how many civilians get warnings for 80+. Or are allowed to go home after being stopped for driving drunk, etc etc etc.

    And the worst part is that no doubt the majority of cops are decent, but a few make them all bad - and their rabid union fratboy mentality stops anyone from answering to anything.
    slorenzen said:



    Pretty maddening, wouldn't you say?

    "OK for me, but not for thee"...

  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,675
    fintail said:


    The best part is the reactive-defensive rebuttal that speedtrappers often give warnings. I wonder how many civilians get warnings for 80+. Or are allowed to go home after being stopped for driving drunk, etc etc etc.

    Of course, they don't get stopped in their work vehicles. But if they get stopped in their own cars, or any of their families do, apparently they have a card showing that their relative is an officer and that serves as a "get out of jail free" card. My wife used to be friends with a lady who had married a policeman. The wife kept getting stopped for speeding or making a left turn out of gas station where no left turn was allowed because of the several lanes of traffic. Just show the card.

    2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,

  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    Some would say that is an urban legend or a lie, but I believe it. The people who doubt it also probably have personal ties to the blue wall or the protect and serve industry. WA state has "Law Enforcement Memorial" plates that some probably think will serve the same purpose.

    I've been in eastern BC for a few days now - I've only honked once, at a woman who was dawdling at lights because she was texting. I've noticed people speed more on the highways here than in western WA, along with very little enforcement. Maybe they are just finding a speed that is superior to the lowest common denominator limits, and population densities make speedtrapping difficult. Soon off to Vancouver, where the traffic is just like at home.

    Just show the card.

  • isellhondasisellhondas Member Posts: 20,342
    Oh, man...

    Just got back from a short trip to Los Angeles and got reminded of just how terrifying the freeway are down there. I guess I used to drive like that myself but, seriously I don't think I could venture out on an L.A. freeway today.

    Took super shuttle from LAX to San Pedro and was a nervous wreck when I got to the hotel. Tailgating at 75 MPH, constant lane changing, nearing running into the back of a semi and watching people merge with two feet of clearance.

    The shuttle ride back was even worse. A motorcycle going at least 80 MPH passed us by lane splitting with inches of clearance. I watched the motorcycle zig zag through cars and large trucks. I was so happy to get to the airport!

    Maybe I'm just getting old?
  • stevedebistevedebi Member Posts: 4,098

    Oh, man...

    Just got back from a short trip to Los Angeles and got reminded of just how terrifying the freeway are down there. I guess I used to drive like that myself but, seriously I don't think I could venture out on an L.A. freeway today.

    Took super shuttle from LAX to San Pedro and was a nervous wreck when I got to the hotel. Tailgating at 75 MPH, constant lane changing, nearing running into the back of a semi and watching people merge with two feet of clearance.

    The shuttle ride back was even worse. A motorcycle going at least 80 MPH passed us by lane splitting with inches of clearance. I watched the motorcycle zig zag through cars and large trucks. I was so happy to get to the airport!

    Maybe I'm just getting old?

    I drive a C-Max Energi on the LA Freeways (a couple times a week, most of my commute is local side streets). If you drive normally, but not aggressively, the freeways are more manageable. I don't stress out on them any more - but I am extremely careful to watch the traffic ahead. Much of the stress is not leaving enough time, and trying to get there faster, instead of with the traffic flow.

    I do hate those motorcycles. I almost got one as I was switching into the carpool lane last Friday - the idiot was in my blind spot and moving 20 miles faster than traffic. I barely caught a glimpse of his headlights as I was beginning the turn, and managed to avoid the problem. Technically the lane splitting is not supposed to happen a higher speeds - it is designed for gridlock - but no one ever checks.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    You said it ;)

    I remember driving in LA last year - I treated it like a battle. But sometimes, it's just easier to move over a few lanes and dawdle, especially if on a holiday trip where you don't have a tight schedule.

    Lanesplitting is fine in places with drivers who receive first world training. Unfortunately, that doesn't exist on this continent.

    Oh, man...

    Just got back from a short trip to Los Angeles and got reminded of just how terrifying the freeway are down there. I guess I used to drive like that myself but, seriously I don't think I could venture out on an L.A. freeway today.
    Maybe I'm just getting old?

  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    Back from Canuckistan - got through some of the worst Vancouver traffic I can remember, then an irritating border wait, then dopey WA traffic - LLCs started up immediately after crossing the border. I noticed a lot more speed "enforcement" in WA than BC, maybe the higher taxes there create less pressure for revenue generation...ummm..I mean, enforcement is all about safety of course.
  • igozoomzoomigozoomzoom Member Posts: 801

    Oh, man...

    Just got back from a short trip to Los Angeles and got reminded of just how terrifying the freeway are down there. I guess I used to drive like that myself but, seriously I don't think I could venture out on an L.A. freeway today.

    Took super shuttle from LAX to San Pedro and was a nervous wreck when I got to the hotel. Tailgating at 75 MPH, constant lane changing, nearing running into the back of a semi and watching people merge with two feet of clearance.

    The shuttle ride back was even worse. A motorcycle going at least 80 MPH passed us by lane splitting with inches of clearance. I watched the motorcycle zig zag through cars and large trucks. I was so happy to get to the airport!

    Maybe I'm just getting old?

    Between December 2009 and November 2013, I made 23 trips to Los Angeles (staying for 7-12 days each trip). My cousin (and best friend) was battling Inflammatory Breast Cancer (the most rare and aggressive form) and she has three adopted kids with various behavioral problems and learning disabilities. Between multiple rounds of chemo and radiation in addition to SEVEN different surgeries, she needed all the help she could get. She lives in Woodland Hills, which is on the edge of the Santa Monica Mountains adjacent to the San Fernando Valley.

    Her kids attend two different schools and all three play multiple sports, so there was at least one practice or game (usually two or even three simultaneously) every evening. My primary function was driving the kids to/from school, friends houses and extracurricular events and I spent four to six (or even more) hours driving every day!

    I've lived in Atlanta all of my life, so I am very comfortable driving in traffic and dealing with gridlock. In my 24 years of driving, I've even managed to survive Atlanta traffic with only manual-transmission vehicles (never owned an automatic....yet). I've also driven numerous times in D.C., Chicago and even in a few European cities. So I am a fairly seasoned city driver and I usually have little trouble finding my way around major cities with heavy traffic. But NOTHING can quite prepare you for driving in Los Angeles!!!

    The first time I went out in 2009, I arrived three days prior to my cousin starting chemo. She wanted to spend at least a day or two showing me how to get the kids' schools (two different ones, located about 10 miles apart) and where their various sporting events and practices would be. Several of the places I would be driving involved getting on "the 101" and (far worse) "the 405"!

    I think she was impressed with how well I handled driving bumper-to-bumper at 80+mph with the countless other cars. But I made my first mistake within 30 seconds of getting on the 101. As I worked my way over to the faster-moving left lanes, I signaled my lane change just like I would at home or anywhere else. Apparently, in Southern California, use of a turn signal to merge or change lanes (or turn, for that matter) incites aggressive behavior from all surrounding drivers! Anyone in the lane that I was trying to move into would rapidly accelerate at the first flash of a signal indicating that I was planning to get in 'their' lane!

    Luckily, my cousin has a Lexus GX470 SUV so it's larger (especially taller) than most other cars on the road. So I quickly learned not to signal until I was already half way into the lane I wanted to be in then they would back off because I was bigger than them! And it was also great at forcing all of those slow-moving Prii (plural for Prius) out of the left-most lane! I fully expected to pull back into the driveway one day only to find a Prius stuck to the grille...but it never happened. Other than the sheer size of the GX, the 4.7L V8 had enough power to accelerate much quicker than most other drivers would expect. So if I saw a gap in traffic that I wanted to squeeze into, I could floor it then bully my way into the opening.

    So now I drive like almost everyone else in L.A. The only issue I have is re-programming myself when I get back home to Atlanta. For the first few days after each trip, I tend to drive more aggressively than usual without realizing it.....
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  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel Member Posts: 19,592
     So I quickly learned not to signal until I was already half way into the lane I wanted to be in then they would back off because I was bigger than them! And it was also great at forcing all of those slow-moving Prii (plural for Prius) out of the left-most lane! I fully expected to pull back into the driveway one day only to find a Prius stuck to the grille...

    OK I have to ask, did you check the tires to see if there was a Smart car smashed in between the threads. 

    2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D

  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    Bumper to bumper at 80 - there's a skill you brought with you from Hotlanta. I've never seen traffic move as fast as it does there, with so little enforcement. The relatively good road conditions help too. And "the 405" etc - that's how we spot Californian immigrants here.

    Back in Seattle and back to the local fun - people braking for tunnels, bridges, curves, rain, sun, on-ramps, 5 mile backups because of a small fender bender, etc.

    < g.

    So now I drive like almost everyone else in L.A. The only issue I have is re-programming myself when I get back home to Atlanta. For the first few days after each trip, I tend to drive more aggressively than usual without realizing it.....

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