Chev 2500HD or Ford F350
I can't decide what to buy, the chevy 2500HD with the 8.1, or the Ford F350 with the V10. I have heard pro's and con's to both. The chevy is claimed to have more horsepower and tourque. I need to pull a 16 foot enclosed trailer, and a fairly heavy bobcat. What is the better truck?
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Ford is on the left and chevy on the right
FORD CHEVY
Base Price MSRP 32605 34388
Destination Charge 740 720
Performance Performance
Manual Transmission standard
Automatic Transmission optional standard
Power Steering standard standard
Extended Service Interval standard standard
4 Wheel ABS Brakes standard standard
4-Wheel Drive standard standard
Front Suspension rigid independent
Rear Suspension rigid rigid
Stabilizer Bar standard standard
Transfer Case standard standard
8-Cylinder Engine standard standard
10-Cylinder Engine optional
Engine Name 5.4L V8 6.0L V8
Horsepower @ RPM 260 @ 4500 300 @ 4400
Torque @ RPM 350 @ 2500 360 @ 4000
Displacement (cc) 5408 5965
Bore X Stroke (in.) 3.55 X 4.16 4 X 3.62
Compression Ratio 9 9.4
Brakes Disc Brakes Disc Brakes
Driveline four wheel drive - part time four wheel drive - part time
Steering Type recirculating ball recirculating ball
Steering Diameter (Left) 51.9 46.8
Steering Diameter (Right) 51.9 46.8
Fuel Type unleaded unleaded
Fuel System sequential electronic fuel injected sequential electronic fuel injected
Warranty Warranty
Basic Months 36 36
Basic Miles 36000 36000
Powertrain Months 36 36
Powertrain Miles 36000 36000
Corrosion Perforation Months 60 72
Corrosion Perforation Miles UNLIMITED 100000
Dimensions, Weights, Capacities Dimensions, Weights, Capacities
Doors(standard) 4 4
Doors Maximum 4 4
Standard Seating 6 5
Maximum Seating 6 5
Optional Seating 5 Data Not Available
Wheelbase (in.) 141.8 143.5
Standard GVWR (lbs.) 9900 9200
Maximum GVWR (lbs.) 9900 9200
Track Width Front (in.) 68.4 68.6
Track Width Rear (in.) 68.1 66
Fuel Capacity (gal.) 29 26
Front Head Room (in.) 41.4 41
Second Row Head Room (in.) 38.5 38.4
Front Leg Room (in.) 40.7 41.3
Second Row Leg Room (in.) 32.4 33.7
Front Shoulder Room (in.) 68 65.2
Second Row Shoulder Room (in.) 68 66.3
Front Hip Room (in.) 67.4 61.4
Second Row Hip Room (in.) 67.3 61.5
Length (in.) 231.4 227.7
Width (in.) 79.9 79.7
Height (in.) 80.7 76.2
Bedlength 82.4 78.7
Bedwidth Wall 63.9 64.8
Bedwidth Wheel 50.9 50
Bed Height 20 19.5
GVWR (lbs.) 9900 9200
ford out does chevy by 700
I've owned three GMC's over the course of my relatively short life, and I can tell you from experience, the F-350 is by far the heaviest built truck I have ever owned.
Ford 6.8 V10 310hp @ 4250/425lb torque @ 3250
Chev 8.1 V8 340 hp @ 4200/455lb torque @ 3200
The torque curve is flatter on the Chevy so it FEELS more powerfull than the numbers indicate.I test drove each at least 3 times before buying my Sierra 2500HD and chose the GMC for the power and comfort,but the Ford is very capable and many consider it to be a better work truck.The Ford gets better gas mileage(or so I've read).I get about 11 at 75 mph and 13.3 was my best at 65.They both get about 7 1/2 to 8 towing 9000 lb.Gm's 2500 and 3500 are the same truck except for the dually.My advice would be ,drive both ,see if you can get someone to let you tow with both,then buy the one YOU LIKE the best cuz they will both do the job.
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By the way the only difference between the 2500HD and the 3500 HD is the 3500 has one extra leaf and a 2-leaf overload and Duels. But don't get confused the 2500 and the 2500 HD aren't even in the same class.
Also look at the Power break booster (PTO off the Power steering not vacuum) and emissions requirements the 2500 HD, 3500 HD are in a commercial class where Ford doesn't start that until the F450 class. Mae sure you compare Apples to Apples on specs not 3/4 ton vs 1 ton.
Second, all the Ford Super Duties(250/350) are at 20,000 CGVWR, not 19,000.
Third, the F550 GCVWR is 30,000 POUNDS!!!!! The F450 is 26,000 pounds.
Lastly, the emissions does go by the GVW and anything over 8600(8800?) pounds is in the same class. The 2500/3500HD has the same emission standards as a 250/350.
My '97 Cobra uses a hydra boost for the brakes...it must be in the same emissions class as a 1 ton truck. LMAO!!!
As far as research, Truck trend had the Ford outperforming the GM empty and the GM winning by a few seconds up a hill while towing.
Pop. mech. has the Ford winning both loaded and empty.
I guess it's a proud Chevy owner who can mess up numbers so badly..LOL!!!
You are right in these two magazine articles posted. However they also mentioned when towing that the Ford was in a much lower gear and the transmission constantly gear hunted. Climbing a hill, the V10 was producing much higher engine RPMs to do the same work as the 8.1. The 8.1 required little effort to pull the same load as V10.
Oh well I know what I have and what I am reading and I still out pull other makes, I have never been passed. So you can talk gear rotios and specs all day 2500 HD stll out pulls.
Perhaps your scenario is different from mine. But I think both trucks are capable of towing very large loads with little difficulty.
As for similar experiences, I had an Allison engineer come and ride in my truck. He admitted that the truck is falling short of its promise. They are out constantly trying to get these things to pull as to not sully their reputation. BTW my Ford has 160k miles on it and still shames the Chev with 40k.
I do have a friend who owns a 2001 Ford 350 PS. He likes it however he has tried my truck and was amazed with the power and smooth behavior of the D/A.
Last summer he used his truck to pull a 36' Prowler across the US. He was pleased with how his truck ran although he did have to get the transmission replaced. Thankfully Ford addressed the issue on the road and him and his family could get back safely.
After hearing your story, you would not happen to be Trussman who has posted on another website?
Mtnlake, please post your source. You still aren't trying to say the Gm's have a 22,000 GVW or the Fords have a 19K GVW are you?? I have the Truck Trend here with the performance figures I posted(no mention of the hunting in that article)Never saw a MT camparo.
My specs on ford GVWR/CGVWR come from fordtruckenthusiasts site, which seems to be down right now. If you get on just click to specifications and find the F250-750 spec sheets....You'll learn quite a bit.
If you followed the story, I had allison look at the truck. The latest is that they are trying to push a fix through GM right now. I am far from the only one having trouble. Hopefully it will make a difference.
From what I gathered from the posts though, it was the transmission and the down shift that gave you the most problem. The Duramax was very capable.
I did not know that there was some price to pay for all this.
I was also wondering what happened to your situation after not hearing from you for a while.
It is pretty sad because if this does work out I would like to share it. But to have to pay for the privalige to help out rubs me wrong. When something happens I will come back temporarily under a new username and fill everybody in.
Here is what they posted as a solution:
"just a few comments I would like to add! at just about 2/3 of the way to full trottle is max power.the last 1/3 is to tell the trans to down shift.(APP)also if you turn on the cruise and set it to well below your driveing speed like 35 on the high way and drive with your foot at 75 it will almost never downshift!"
Thanks to mark45678. Check out the topic "Allison shiftiness when towing" for the remainder of the discussion. However it seems that others have found this technique to work with success.
Good luck.