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give your opinion why ford F series trucks are the #1 vehicle sold in the world.
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Dave
http://www.pickuptruck.com/html/otf0999.html
(thanks to Ryan for link)
Ford is still ahead of chevy by a WHOPPING 5000 units. LOL!!!
yep, taurus/sable- same exact car basically. you think toyota or honda wants to combine those two together to see who sells more? not a chance. but do it, and it wins (dont know the official numbers, maybe taurus doesn't need sable) hands down i suspect.
Total 2001 truck sales figures.....
FORD F Series.... 911,597
Chevy + Avalache..769,006
So there you go quadrunner500, do some research before you open your flap !! And really I don't care if Ford falls two the # 2 spot, It's been the #1 selling vehicle for the past 20 years, which tells you that people have been buying F series trucks way before they where cool to have.Chevrolet owners just switched from buying cars to trucks.
When you have two products that do excatly the same functions for the same price, It really comes down to quality & value.
MRb11, you really don't get the "picture".
In this free world, do you think people are forced to eat big mac's & drink bud beer, I don't think so, these companies are #1 becuase of the value & quality that appeals to most people. And in this world , the majority rules.
You still don't get it. Read these words slowly....The most sold does not always equate to the best product.
What is the only factor that proves that a product is the best on the market ?.....SALES !!!!!!!
You have to look at the overall market, the majority want's big mac's , bud beer & Ford trucks, if there was something better, it would be #1. You might think they suck, but that is how most chevy guys are. " whatever I own is the best & if you dont have the same it sucks"
Personally I have nothing against chevy or dodge, just the people who own them.
The last time I checked, people were free to buy any truck they thought was the best.
So, tell me why Ford is #1 & not GM, dodge or toyota for the past 20 years ?
Hmm.....Microsoft? They are "leader" in OS sales, and other applications, but look at all the negative publicity. Hell, you can experience the "bestselling" OS right at your home. Maybe not with XP, but Win2K has its problems, and Win98SE generally craps out on me every once in a while.
Not to mention IE and IIS security problems.
MS products may be a bestseller, but they arent any good. Meanwhile this little underdog called Linux has been happily running on my computer for 4 years now (last time I rebooted was 44 days ago). I can't leave my Win2K box at work on over the weekend, because on Monday it would be the running slower than a turtle on land.
Bestseller is what 270,000,000 americans choose to buy the most. Who says that majority of them are making the right choices? If millions of people are eating at McDs all the time, doesn't mean I'm gonna go get myself a $1 heartattack too.
If you want to talk about "supporting the American economy", ask yourself this: how does closing down plants and firing 30,000 employees help American economy? Who did that? Ford, 2-3 month ago.
When company sells 300,000 units one year, and then next year it sells 200,000, even if it still is a bestseller, somebody is gonna get fired. Why? Because company has lost 33% of the sales, and with it, market share, and stock price.
Sales growth is great, but when you only sell a piddily 7000 trucks a month, you really can only go away or up. Tundra only went up 1.9%(YTD).
Tundra also only has a 4% market share of Full size trucks, if you could count the Tundra as full size.
The F-Series line still still shows 35% market share. (FYI Scorpio, Ranger has 35%, Tacoma 19%)
Ok, enough for now, lets allow some more Toyota fans post this gripes and views on an Ford F-Series forum, cmon tell me about quality again.
do you LIVE for edmunds, dude?
also, notice he said "ASSEMBLED" in america. big diff. my 2001 ranger had a build tag that said MANUFACTURED BY FORD MOTOR CO. IN U.S.A. (as much as we hate to claim that all intelligently led state, MN), not ASSEMBLED IN CALIFORNIA OR WHEREVER THEY SPOTWELD THEM THINGS AT. nonetheless, the minnesotans did a good job with it. solid beautiful truck.
WHITE 250, good to see someone else with balls.
You're ragging at me like I'm a Chevy fan. I'm not. I'm a Toyota Fan. I own the Chevy because Toyota doesn't build a 3/4 ton with a big block. When I bought new back in 1998 the Ford 460 big block was a slug. If Toyota had a 3/4 ton big block I'd jump on it. Toyota builds the most reliable vehicles in the world and you know it but won't admit it. Is there any American car that can compete with the quality of the Toyota cars? Ya gotta give that one a big nope. So......why would Toyata build any less quality into their trucks?? And then you have to ask yourself why would the the American truck manufacturers build any more quality into their trucks than they do their cars? Ya gotta give that one a big "they don't"
At times, you have to agree to disagree....
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I have nothing against chevy or toyota, but I would never buy one.
I just like to listen to your stupid responses.
OK , so your logic is McDonald's & bud beer are #1 sellers & YOU think they suck. So, since ford trucks are #1 sellers, they suck also....ummmmm
scorpio, what is your point ?
Let me take a toyota truck to work everyday to the construction site, then haul heavy loads, pull traveltrailers & go offroad for the next 10 years and see what it looks like then.
Mod, please straighten this out. Ford F-series did not outsell GM full size trucks last year, and Al Gore did not win the election.
Ok , I would like to ad up all the ford trucks ever sold & do the same for chevy/gmc.
White, I agree that Ford still sells more light duty trucks than chevy or GMC, but not both. It has NEVER been said any other way and I see both sides of the debate. HOWEVER, I've seen almost as much fighting about chev vs. GMC as I have chev vs________so I'm not convinced they are 100% interchangeable as far as brand loyalty.
Vw, how many times are you gonna' make that EXACT same post??? Just curious.
General Motor's sell's more trucks than Ford Motor Co.
Ford F-series truck brand sell's more truck's than chevrolet truck brand.
There , now everyone be happy !!
Flaprunner500
tbunder, Being a business owner in the manufacturing sector, I assure you that we are in a recession. The reason that it is classified so mild in the news is that it hasn't affected all areas of the economy. Many service ares of the economy and construction are unaffected or actually better than before. Manufactureing is down. Orders for "durable goods" are up, but where are the durable goods made? Go to your local store and pick up items for sale and see where they are made. This will give you a clue as to why US manufacturing is in a recession.
Harry
scorpio- simpson was just rated #1 in the midwest. check out us news and world report. im sorry you had to go to community tech, but dont insult others with your dime store education.
scorpio- another little thingy (SOME ADVICE). you're young- if i were you, id stop buying piddly little things (like expensive trucks), and invest 20 grand in some type of investment. by the time you were 60, with a growth rate of at least 10% (which is not hard to achieve) you could have nearly $1,000,000 to retire with. not counting your 401k if you have one. ever ponder the thought of compound interest? remember, that 10% is very small. most do lots better. the key is to hold on for the long run. dont sell like a moron like so many did 9-12. ill still be around when you turn 60. you can thank me then.
So your original comment about Ford having to lay off people to get back to basics is based on what? You do realise that Toyota doesn't even employe more than 30,000 people in America.
Even though you tout that Toyota manufactures in USA, don't you know where the profits are going? The name brand is still Toyota, which is not owned by Americans. And guess who is planning on building trucks parts in mexico? Toyota! Future Tacoma beds will be made in Mexico.
We are talking about Ford here, btw. You are changing it to Toyota and Toyotas' faults. Maybe Toyota does not employ 30K people....great. Ford is employing 30K less now, and Toyota employees keep on working (hopefully). They are taking home a paycheck and whatever else benefits.
What about Mexico? Ford's been building parts in Mexico for a while now, nobody in US seems to be complaining. If Toyota can build parts for cheaper and lower prices, great. I'm not going to be complaining.
I know some people don't care about sales volume, stating it has nothing to do with how great a vehicle is. These people tend to drive vehicles that aren't #1.
Let us not forget that you should not buy a vehicle because it is the best selling. You should buy the vehicle that fits your needs, wants, budget, and expectations. Being the best selling vehicle is not the cause of being the best vehicle. The best selling statistics is the effect of being the best vehicle.
Let's see, I have a friend with a 1969 F100 Ranger that can still tow very well. My father has a 1990 F150 XLT Lariat, that is in pristine condition. He's looking at a 2002 F150, but just doesn't want to trade in a truck that runs so good. I goto Oklahoma often to visit my Girlfriends family. Her father drives a 2001 F150 with a V10, and her grandfather owns 3 Fords on his Ranch in Ada. Roughly a 1981, 88, and a 92. My girlfriend's uncle drives a 2001 F-250 diesel crew cab 4x4. We loaded up the gooseneck trailer one weekend, had over 3 cords of wood loaded in the bed and trailer, plus about 100-150 bags of feed. Just picture a longbed 4x4 F-250, with a 30 foot trailer behind it filled up to the brim. And the last leaf spring on the pickup was barely down to the conact points on the frame. With family on the inside, we drove back from Oklahoma to the McKinney area of north texas. His loaded up f-250 was hard to keep up with in our 2001 Accord. One of my friends in college has a farm in Texas, and he drove a early 90's F150. This last one was beat up, but farm work on top of a 20 year old behind the wheel you do the math. My old roomate had a leased 96ish base F150, manual v6 and all. Let's just say after the 2 or so years he owned it, the oil never got changed, the clutch was dropped many a times, and he drove that thing all over Texas(and other states, even up to Montana). After turning it in, with all that abuse, he wished he owned it still today. All trucks mentioned still run great, no matter how much abuse, milage, or neglect.
My point to make is that I don't think I am biased against buying other brands, even though I am surrounded by Fords. Our minds are not changed by a few simple recalls. When we get a letter, we just take the Ford in and have a part replaced or serviced, and go on our happy ways. Ford does take care of it's customers.
I guess it really comes down to brand loyalty. You buy a Ford Truck typically because you know someone who has one, or have one in the family. Then you will know what Built Ford Tough really means. That's why you older Ford's trucks still on the road, because they just don't die. Ford still offers the best deals on trucks. You just can't get more of a truck for such a great deal. If you're a commuter, a home depot regular, a kid hauler, or if you hook up and haul anything for the farm, you really can't go wrong with a Ford.
Quit trying to impress people with your statements like "Why don't you start some investments". You are not as smart as you think you are, and others are not as dumb as you think they are.