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GM's triplets Venture, Silhouette, and Montana



  • offhamoffham Posts: 344
    You are right, this is far harder than the handbook makes out.

    On a Venture 2000, I move the radiator overflow tank out of the way, as attached to the supporting bar is a coil like device which gets in the way..

    Release the air intake tube at the point it attaches to the engine. This will release tension on the whole set up.

    Unclip the cover and pull it off. Install new filter and reconnect intake.

    Still not easy and I cannot imagine dealers take this long.
  • indrgbindrgb Posts: 115
    I changed the filter on my 2000 several months ago and could not believe how difficult it was. I posted a message about it and someone replied it wasn't that bad. I think there is difference between the 97-99 and 2000-up. The Haynes manual I have shows a picture of an ealier model and it definitely looks different than mine. Maybe the earlier models are easier to change, I don't know. I am also curious how long it takes a dealer tech and what trick they do to make it easier.
  • dlubindlubin Posts: 66
    I did move the overflow tank, but didn't try releasing the air intake tube. I will give your suggestion a try!


  • jrdwyerjrdwyer Posts: 168
    As you may know, GM recommends changing the cabin air filters at 15,000 miles. The lowest price I could find was our local NAPA store with a price of $17.99 plus $4.85 shipping from the warehouse(did not carry in stock), versus $60 at dealer and $32 at Auto Zone. Filter is made by Wix so it should work fine. Has anyone else found a better deal? And do you think that the recommended change interval is very conservative and used strictly as a money maker for GM? $60 sure seems outrageous for a couple of air filters.
  • dlubindlubin Posts: 66
    I ordered the same filter though since I ordered it from a local store (And picked it up) there was no shipping charge.

    I checked all of the local stores, dealers, etc and that was the cheapest.

    One item to note for those of us with newer (2001+) vehicles - NAPA's parts catalog didn't list our vans, but the filter is the same as the 2000.

  • offhamoffham Posts: 344
    Last post was interesting as a town neighbor, has a 2001 or 2002, not sure which and the 2000 filters did not fit.
  • (I posted this in problems/soultions, but it seems that this forum is better far, I just can't believe how much I love this van!)

    Last night my husband & I bought our first Venture, '98 year with only 44,000 mi. We were & are very pleased with the price we got, and the added features it came with.

    Driving home, we noticed on cruise control & a few other times, it wasn't so smooth. It was like someone consistantly accelerating & letting off, but only slightly, enough to wonder...

    (I realize now, that it is only after you are going at least 50mph, and it's more like a pulling, like someone is tugging on the front with a rope, it's wierd.)

    Is this a normal Venture trait we simply need to get used to, does anyone else experence this as well?
  • jeberjeber Posts: 91
    i've just had the 01 silo for a couple months, but cruise seems quite smooth & efficient...i'm sure its the same cruise as venture...could need some sort of adjustment?
  • thaesthaes Posts: 3
    Still enjoying our 2000 Montana with some where in the neighborhood of 45K miles. My question is can the auto-headlight function be disabled? I have looked though the manual and have not seen anything. There are times that I would like to start moving with only the parking lites on, then put them on myself.

  • dlubindlubin Posts: 66
    I hope I didn't cause anyone to misorder filters. Apparently there are TWO filters listed (according to my GM dealer) for the 2001 Montata (which I own).

    The following are AC Delco part #'s:

    CF119c - This is a white rectangle, paper-cardboard filter, taller at the ends than the sides. - This one is available for under $20 at NAPA, etc.

    CF123c - This is a black plastic rectangle, with dark gray pleated filter material that appears to be impregnated with charcoal. - This one appears to only be available at GM dealers for $43 or so (I tried several AC Delco independant stores with no luck).

    My Montana (with rear air) takes the CF123c.

    Hope this helps, if anyone has any more data I'd love to hear it!!

    '01 Montana
  • kkollwitzkkollwitz Posts: 274
    Were you going up & down hills?
  • dirkdaddydirkdaddy Posts: 313
    Just a guess, and I know it sounds dumb but I'd swear you had it the "3" instead of "D" on the gear selector - and that will cause a lot more engine braking and the symptoms you describe. My van does not act as you describe.

  • offhamoffham Posts: 344
    This issue appeared several months ago and people who wished to have full manual control had the dealer disable the auto function. I recall that is was not a big issue.
  • rylesryles Posts: 19
    I saw on another board mention of a discussion about the 8 passenger seating. I am interested in one of the triplets with 8 passenger seating as we have an 18 month old and are expecting twins. I'd like to be able to put all 3 in the second row and have the 3rd row either available for passengers or the space for cargo. How prevalent is the 8 pass. in used vehicles? Is it/was it available on the Pontiac or Olds? I know the WB edition of the Venture has it standard so I've been looking at those used. I don't care much about the other items on the WB, I just want the 8 pass. and the integrated child seat for the 18 month old.

  • offhamoffham Posts: 344
    The best bet if you are looking for a used are the 2000 models. From 2001 the rear bench is fixed although folds flat, but not removable. I do not know how much space that takes up when folded down.

    We have the 8 seater in LT version, which was a no cost option instead of the two captains chairs.
    The rear seat is a three person (smallish) split bench in two parts and comes out completely, as well as the the three middle row seats. The passenger side second row does have the built in child seat, and it was also available for drivers side at cost.

    I thought the WB version was 7 seats with two modular seats in the third row.

    I believe that Chevy was the only one who offered this option as Pontiac and Olds were more "up market."
  • Congratulations on the addition to the family. Quick research shows the following:

    Chevrolet Venture: 8 Passenger 99 and up, 2 child seats 97-00, 1 child seat 99&00
    Pontiac Montana: 8 passenger 97 and up, 2 child seats 97&98, 1 child seat 97-00
    Oldsmobile Shilouette: 8 Pass 98&99, 2 child seats 97-99, 1 child seat 97&99

    This may not be perfect but a quick look. There are also two types of 3rd rows; a split folding/removable and the fold flat ('01 up). Both were available, but only extended lengths got the fold flat. My Brother has the fold flat in his '01 and has no problems with 3 kids (of course he has MontanaVision). As an aside, another Brother has a '97 which was built with the two child seats, but the dealer swapped them out for the first buyer.

    With $4,500 of rebates or $500 and 0.0% 60m on 2002s, you may want to check and see how close you are to affording a new triplet.

    Best of luck in the search and with the twins.
  • rylesryles Posts: 19
    Montana Fan: Where did you get that info? Thanks by the way. It's very helpful. Does the Silo and Montana still offer 8 pass seating or did they stop in 00? An 8 passenger with 2 child seats would be perfect. Was that available on any of the triplets in 2002? I can afford a lower trim 2002, the problem is that nobody seems to have them in the 8 passenger setup. The only ones I find without the capt. chairs are WB editions, which have the 8 pass (1 child seat) standard. Again, thanks for the info.
  • Thanks,

    No, it's not going up and down hills, now after driving it a week or so, it's between 50 & 75 mph. Not always, but that's when it will start.

    I doubt that we are in "3" instead of "D", my husband & me have always driven in "D" as a rule. Unless it's off by one on our van or something, I'll check it out this evening, but like I said, I don't think it's that.

    Thanks again, I really appreciate any info, my hubby is ready to take it back to where we bought it... But I love it so much other than that. :)
  • rylesryles Posts: 19
    I was wondering if anyone could give me some advice on a price for a 2002 Montana. Dealer has a program car that is pretty much loaded with all options minus leather (I want 8 seats which you can't get with leather) and minus video system. It has pwr pass door, trailer, rear air, leveling suspension, cd&cass, etc. MSRP on it is $31500. This is a model they got at discount as it was used as a passenger vehicle for the Pepsi 400. 1300 miles. They are asking $24,500. Considering the $4500 in rebates, what would be a fair price? I'm also considering a used 2001 model with the same options w/100K warranty, 15K miles. Asking $19700. Any advice?
  • dlubindlubin Posts: 66

    Sounds high to me. To me, you've got to save at least 20% off of the lowest 'new' price to justify the used purchase. These vans sell at or under invoice here in the Northeast before rebates.

    The $19,700 deal sounds like a much better choice if you don't want to pay the premium for brand new.

    I have an '01 8 passenger I bought last year, very pleased with the vehicle. We had a 7-passenger version prior to that, but like you, we have 3 children (including twins!)

  • rylesryles Posts: 19
    Does anyone know if you can purchase the integrated child seats for the two outboard positions in an 8 seat setup? If so, about what would the cost be? Source?
  • bob550kbob550k Posts: 148
    Funny, I chose the quad seating so the three stooges couldn't get close enough to beat each other like bongo drums. I did use a Previa for a while with 8 passenger seating it was convienient.
  • rylesryles Posts: 19
    Does anyone know if you can purchase the integrated child seats for the two outboard positions in an 8 seat setup? If so, about what would the cost be? Source?
  • "intergrated" means that the seats are built into the factory seats. Not available seperately. Only way would be to find them through a salvage yard. I have a Voyager with the dual intergrated seats in the center row, and have always used car seats or booster seats. In fact to keep the girls (now 8 & 5) from fighting and always in the seats, have the same pair in my wife's car. I prefer the car seat setup with a top teather strap to any built in seat I have seen. Just me. I think you will still be able to put three seats side-by-side-by-side when the time comes.
  • rylesryles Posts: 19
    Does your 8 passenger have the fold flat bench or the 50/50 tumble forward seats in the "way back"? Any opinions from anyone out there on which is better? More space with the fold flat, more flexibility with the 50/50. Decisions decisions.
  • bcd99bcd99 Posts: 45
    I have 2001 Silo with the 50/50 rear seats. I prefer these for the flexability of removing one or both. Plus I think the fact that an open space underneath when the seat is up would provide for more road noise to echo and magnify.
  • offhamoffham Posts: 344
    Personally the 50/50 offers more options. You can have one seat in full upright position and have the other one completely out, tumbled forward or just have the back down as a tray table.

    With the fold flat it is essentially up or down.
  • dlubindlubin Posts: 66
    Our 99 (7 passeneger) had the split, our new one (8 passenger) has the folding bench.

    There is no 'road noise' as the third seat mounts IN the passenger compartment, and folds forward, not into a well like the odyssey. The whole seat is removable if you needed the extra couple of inches of space it takes up when folded.

    I haven't decided which I like more .... folding the row flat is nice and frees up more room than the split seats..

  • bob550kbob550k Posts: 148
    There are a number of meanings associated with "Program Car".

    It was used by an executive
    It was in the loaner fleet
    It was in the Rental fleet (yes GM has an
    interest in a big rental company as does
    Ford or Chrysler, those cars usually have
    18,000 to 28,000 miles on them and are
    mostly light colors)
    It was used in a Golf tournament is possible

    Be carefull, program cars are not always a good thing. Program cars are usually not loaded, the car you describe sounds well equipt, but not loaded. Sounds like you've got a rental on your hands, but why are they selling it with such low mileage? Have a body shop look at that one and call GM warranty center (the dealer can provide the 800 number) with the VIN number and get a detailed report of the cars warranty history.

    Good luck
  • rylesryles Posts: 19
    As I briefly mentioned in the post above, this van was used as a shuttle vehicle for the Pepsi 400 Nascar race. It has PONTIAC in big white letters across the top of the windshield and a small "Pepsi 400" sticker in the bottom corner of the windshield. Thus I believe it was used for this purpose. I can't think of any options the van doesn't have other than video system, thus I would call it loaded.

    Anyway, I'm probably going to make an offer on the used vehicle with 15k miles. Anyone know the advisability of light towing without the "tow package"? Can it be added later if necessary?
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