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  • tayl0rdtayl0rd Posts: 1,926
    That's funny. My kids don't even know what a typewriter is! :surprise:
  • Please--a Prius can corner most onramps at high speed--not that I would know anything about taking a 15mph curve at 65mph in a touring model. :blush:

    It's tracks and mountain passes that really take handling and cornering to the limits of some (not most) ELLPS.
  • kyfdxkyfdx Posts: 57,679
    Horse and buggy... with an 8-track player.. ;)


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  • kdshapirokdshapiro Posts: 5,751
    Gas street lamps!
  • ivan_99ivan_99 Posts: 1,681
    I think it's a manual printer...
  • rockyleerockylee Wyoming, MichiganPosts: 13,993
    Well you have a few more options next fall like the "8". :D

  • You wanna power through a 35 corner at 75-80 in a Prius, be my guest.

    I agree about the track. Unfortunately, going through 1k in tires over a weekend just isn't my cup of tea on a regular basis.
  • fedlawmanfedlawman Posts: 3,118
    IIRC, their were "normal bias" tapes at 120uS (Type I), and "high bias" tapes at 70uS (Type II).

    The normal bias tapes were made of ferric oxide and the high bias tapes were made of chromium dioxide and later, metal (Type IV) was introduced.

    The first cassettes that were considered hi-fi were the CRO2 tapes when used with Dolby B noise reduction.

    I bought my first hi-fi cassette deck in the mid-80's. It was a Denon DRM-44HX. I used "metal" tapes and Dolby C with "headroom extension (HX). The deck had an internal computer to custom tune the bias to the particular tape by recording and analyzing test tones on the tape (this was more accurate than pushing a button to select "normal" or "high" bias.

    This is pretty much as far as the compact cassette format evolved. At the time, CD's I recorded onto metal cassette using all the bells and whistles were indistinguishable from the original CD source. That's how I remember it anyways.

    Thanks for the memory tayl0rd. I was quite the hi-fi buff back in the day, and I still have that cassette deck and those "old" recordings - they're collecting dust under the guest bed in the spare bedroom.
  • I caught your statement about displacement and you even mentioned the Pontiac GTO. A picture (or video) is worth a thousand words - LEXUS IS350 beating a Pontiac GTO at the 1/4 mile track!
  • fedlawmanfedlawman Posts: 3,118
    My RA-1's cost about $600 for the set (including tax and installation). They saw 3 track events last year and they'll probably make it through 3 or 4 more events.
  • fedlawmanfedlawman Posts: 3,118
    The silver GTO in that video ran the 1/4 mile in 14.2 seconds?!?! I could've beat that granny with my Taurus.
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Crossroads of America I70 & I75 Posts: 20,935
    >CD's I recorded onto metal cassette using all the bells and whistles were indistinguishable from the original CD

    Do you mean CDs which you recorded or LPs which you recorded to tape...?

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  • ventureventure Central PAPosts: 834
    I hope you haven't been holding this grudge for three years.

    cornellpremed is probably a real doctor by now. :surprise:

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  • plektoplekto Posts: 3,738
    He means recording a CD to tape(say to play in your car or whatnot, since protable CD players were far from the norm back then)

    My friend had the higher-end Harmon Kardon model of the same deck and other than the slight background hiss(unless you were listening to incredibly soft music at a horrendously loud volume it was inaudible), it was indistinguishable from CD. Most CDs are compressed to about half their actual dynamic range in the studio so as to not damage your headphones or speakers. So, with almost all of them metal tape was/is good enough to capture everything. Of crouse, finding good metal tapes these days is hard - the best ones weighed about 3-4 ounces each and had ceramic or metal cases and parts. They jsut don't make them like that anymore.

    I'd say it was comparable to 1/4 inch tape running at 3 1/2 inches a second.(reel-to-reel deck).

    Of course, MP3s are taking over now, but audio was almost as good 20 years ago - if you had the money, that is.
  • Fed, by 3 track events, what does that entail? My last event day was 2 days at button willow. We drove 4 times each day, 25-30 minutes a shot. 4-5 hours of track time at button willow gobbled up my tires in a hurry.

    That's the layout we used running west from the start.
  • tayl0rdtayl0rd Posts: 1,926
    Good history/science lesson, fedlawman. But I was referring to the actual cassette itself being made of metal, not the tape ribbon. :blush: I think they made them out of metal to make them more durable. People used to leave cassettes laying in their seats back then and if a careless passenger just plopped down in the seat without looking... CRACK!
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Crossroads of America I70 & I75 Posts: 20,935
    You all have me confused about cassettes. I didn't think any used a metal strip of tape. I don't recall the case being made out of metal. I do remember different magnetic capable materials for the plastic tape, including chromium dioxide, which required different record head capabilities and playback curves, but combined with Dolby could reproduce LP (you know, 33 1/3 rpm plastic things) disks with almost no hiss.

    Of course you all remember magnetic recorders that used actual iron wire on spools instead of plastic tape.

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  • rockyleerockylee Wyoming, MichiganPosts: 13,993
    The guy in the silver GTO looks like he missed a shift. ;)

  • robbiegrobbieg Posts: 339
    With regards to the Pontiac, the caption below the picture says the color and material are for the show car only.
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  • circlewcirclew Posts: 8,605
    You wanna power through a 35 corner at 75-80 in a Prius, be my guest.

  • fedlawmanfedlawman Posts: 3,118
    Blueguy - Two of the events were one-day HPDE's. 5 sessions, 30 minutes each. The third event was a two-day HPDE - 10 30 minute sessions total. I would love to get down to Buttonwillow someday - it's on my list of tracks to drive.

    Tayl0rd - I remember those "metal" tapes too. They had a see-through case, with a metal frame and screws. IIRC, they were made by Sony - $10 each back in 1986, and very rugged.

    Joe131 - Just ignore that posts that don't interest you.
  • plektoplekto Posts: 3,738

    They still make them. $15 each, but worth the money. This has a ceramic/metal composite frame and weigh a TON. Essentially, it's DAT grade tape in a studio quality case. c=17988&hl=
    This is why it's so expensive - they stopped making them three months ago. Normally they were about $7 a tape.
  • fedlawmanfedlawman Posts: 3,118
    It took some digging, but I finally found a picture of the tapes I have:
  • fedlawmanfedlawman Posts: 3,118
    Joe131, did you notice the metal frame of the TDK MA-R? These tapes were prized in their day for their anti-resonance characteristics and durability - traits highly valued by audiophiles.

    Personally, I find the anti-resonance design of these tapes to be very effective at mitigating wow and flutter when playing recorded music in my ELLPS. It has also proven to be a boon to longevity when faced with the intense heat/sunlight that can penetrate the interior of my ELLPS.
  • laurasdadalaurasdada Posts: 3,062
    And can any ELLPS truly be considered an ELLPS without the ability to play casettes??? Especially those with a fabulous mix of songs from the 70's and 80's made for that special lady. And ultimately returned... :cry: To live on and play proudly in my ELLPS! :D

    "Come back baby, Rock and Roll never forgets!"

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  • circlewcirclew Posts: 8,605
    Hey, my ELLPS does NOT have a cassette player...What gives? I thought it was part of the Premium Package. I want to play those Chromium Dioxides!

    If this is not offered, does this eliminate the 3 Series from the ELLPS forum??

    I am sure the CTS must have this technology!

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  • ivan_99ivan_99 Posts: 1,681
    And surprisingly they eliminated the 8-track as well...ELLPS indeed :shades:
  • laurasdadalaurasdada Posts: 3,062
    Well, I think that it at least eliminates the L for "Luxury" from the 3's description. You'll just have to live with the P...

    Because, "Out here in the field, I fight for my meal! I get my back into my living!"

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  • laurasdadalaurasdada Posts: 3,062
    My BetaMax doesn't play 8-tracks, so I can forgive that piece of technology for going the way of LA Raider winning season's...

    '13 Jaguar XF, '11 BMW 535xi, '02 Lexus RX300

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