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  • tsytsy Member Posts: 1,551
    Ahh, but they have rechargeable external battery packs for iPods. I suspect your idea would have already been too late and you still wouldn't be a wealthy man today so you don't have to be depressed about it. ;)

    Hmm, I'm not sure that sounds encouraging. It's supposed to make you feel better.

    But that's quite a bit of ingenuity there Steve! I'm impressed!

    tom
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    If she doesn't need anything super portable, how about an iPad?

    She wants to jog with it, so that's out. And she's not a techie, at all, trust me. You still think 8 GB is too little? I doubt she'll have more than 1 home video on there, the one I pre-load for her!

    I may actually get her a RIM PlayBook when those come out. It's the BlackBerry tablet, basically. Nice things about it:

    * HD cam front and back
    * USB and HDMI ports
    * full flash support
    * uses existing BBerry service, so no bills for service
  • colin_lcolin_l Member Posts: 591
    OH, she jogs? I jog and bicycle. An iPod Touch is a non-ideal but technically workable device.

    The best is an iPod Shuffle. Tiny, nearly weightless, and you just clip it somewhere and go. However it's a poor all-around device but they are so cheap you might justify as an additional player.

    The latest gen iPod Nano is a good compromise. It can't play games like a Touch but it at least can navigate content, whereas the Shuffle only plays a playlist or all files randomly.
  • robr2robr2 Member Posts: 8,805
    * uses existing BBerry service, so no bills for service

    The carrier is letting user piggyback their BB smartphone service onto the tablet? I'd confirm that - I doubt any carrier would give away the chance to charge for bandwidth.

    BTW - does your wife know she can add music and movies to her BB??
  • subearusubearu Member Posts: 3,613
    And she's not a techie, at all

    Neither was my DW, and she has quite easily picked up how to use the iOS interface. Even the kids got the hang of it. I think that's part of Apple's success with these, they just plain work and are easy to use.

    -Brian
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    I may look at the Nano. She wants something that docks easily, so she can listen to music around the house, quick and easy.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    I got her a 2GB micro SD card and I'm willing to bet it has about 2GB of space free. ;)

    Again, though, she's looking for one-second docking and ease of use, primarily for music.
  • ladywclassladywclass Member Posts: 1,713
    if you want a dock ...
    my husband bought a Harman Kardon dock for iPhone, iTouch, iPod, etc. which we LOVE ... he kept looking online til he found an excellent deal ... talk about easy to use and great sound ...

    works with all our i-stuff .. including some that's quite 'old' at this point

    I love using it when I'm working around the house ...
  • kurtamaxxxguykurtamaxxxguy Member Posts: 1,798
    My friendly assistant manager service manager, who shall remain nameless, told me today that apparently there may be issues with the new '11 Forester's base engine.
    Apparently, there are some potential issues with oil flow within that engine, that might cause some major problems.

    All the more reason to give Subaru a year to work out the kinks in this otherwise promising motor.
    Not the first time for a manufacturer - Audi's Q5 engine had water pump failures during its first year.
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    That doesn't sound good. Keep us posted if you hear anything else.

    Bob
  • subearusubearu Member Posts: 3,613
    Woot.com has a Nano package today.

    -Brian
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Thanks, but she definitely wants a Touch, confirmed yesterday.

    Happy Wife, Happy Life. :shades:
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    edited February 2011
    U.S. finds no defect in Toyota's electronic throttles

    Automotive News -- February 8, 2011 - 1:55 pm ET

    DETROIT -- The U.S. Department of Transportation announced today that electric systems and electromagnetic interference did not play a role in the incidents of unintended acceleration involving Toyota Motor Corp. vehicles.

    http://www.autonews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20110208/RETAIL05/110209749/1- 143#ixzz1DOhxeaBB

    PS That's the 2nd major legal victory for them this year, the 1st being the $2.6 million win from the case against Dimitrios Biller of "Books of Knowledge" fame.
  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,728
    edited February 2011
    The saddest thing about the whole fiasco is that the end losers in this are us, the competent driving public. The problem, right from the start, was not vehicle malfunction but driver malfunction. Now, there will be new "standard" nanny features in cars to encourage the further dumbing down of the driver. It won't be too much longer before the driver becomes an irrelevant part of the equation, and that will be a sad day indeed. :cry:
    2018 Subaru Crosstrek, 2014 Audi Q7 TDI, 2013 Subaru Forester, 2013 Ford F250 Lariat D, 1976 Ford F250, 1969 Chevrolet C20, 1969 Ford Econoline 100
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Yep - brake throttle override.

    No more smoky burnouts! LOL
  • fibber2fibber2 Member Posts: 3,786
    It's not all roses for them, given that the sticking pedal assembly related crashes and recall was real. And like Audi, there is something ergonomic at play here.
  • KCRamKCRam Member Posts: 3,516
    there is something ergonomic at play here.

    That will be the bigger change coming... pedal-placement standardization. That's the "beginning of the end" as this is a physical change intended to make all vehicles exactly alike in some fashion.

    kcram - Pickups/Wagons Host
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Yep, fortunately my Sienna has plenty of clearance from the pedal to the floor. A lot of cars don't, and not just Toyotas.
  • robr2robr2 Member Posts: 8,805
    I guess at least with an EV car that most likely is FWD and will be towed from the front, it won't be an issue.

    I guess a Subaru is worse - it has to be flat bedded so damage could result from any front or rear town.
  • crkyolfrtcrkyolfrt Member Posts: 2,345
    Most AWD capable cars fall into this same category. Most are best to be flat-bedded or dollied on one end.

    But many AWD cars do get towed, and if the tow driver drives too fast and too far, either due to ignorance or lack of concern, it does cost longevity issues in transfer cases and the like, later on down the road. Usually far enough down the road that it is next to impossible to place blame and liability on that particular tow job.

    The lesson here is pretty obvious. Don't park anywhere risking a tow ticket, which would include near fire exits, snowplow clearing etc. It's the best way to hedge your bet.
  • volkovvolkov Member Posts: 1,306
    I'm surprised they didn't point out that it's no worse than a true AWD vehicle being towed the same way.
    BTW how does a bylaw tow driver put a vehicle in neutral without the keys??? If you lift tow any vehicle to impound which is in park with the parking brake on, something is going to get hurt. In Toronto, certain companies were empowered to "tow on sight" for a vehicle downtown in a no parking zone. They would call it in, and the bylaw guys would show up just in time to write the ticket and slap it on. I used to work as a security guard in the TD centre and the fastest time I ever saw was 57 seconds. Anyway, they always used tire web and rails to flatbed tow. Never once saw an incline.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    http://www.autoblog.com/2011/02/10/suzuki-sofa-chicago-2011/

    Pretty funny. Suzuki used it in their ads.
  • fandcfandc Member Posts: 51
    That sofa won't work in the US. No cup holders. :P
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    You have two hands for that. Steer with your knees! :D
  • grahampetersgrahampeters Member Posts: 1,786
    G'day

    Had a real blast today. A friend invited me and my fourteen year old son to go go-karting with a group, ostensibly for his daughter's twelfth birthday, but with a bit of business thrown in.

    It is many years since I had ridden (driven seems a bit too fancy as a description) a kart and I had immense fun. My shoulders and upper arms are throbbing from the strain, but it was a real buzz. I was intrigued to see how well my son, who has never driven a Kart, or indeed anything other than a bicycle, mastered the whole experience.

    I was amused to find that the two consistently fastest were me and a colleague who rides a motorbike. I would claim some expertise from my youth and the bike rider has the whole cornering thing well sorted.

    The Kart that I used in one round was slow with dodgy non-progressive brakes, requiring a different cornering technique (hard application to get the tail sliding, followed by instant acceleration and reverse lock though the slide - notably slower than two foot brake/throttle control). The thing which intrigued was that I have not had to control a car like this for 30 years (since a cart sprung Mitsubishi Galant Wagon I sold in 1982), but the technique was instantly remembered. My upper arm muscles told me about the strains though.

    When I got back in the Kluger (Highlander) afterwards, the controls felt incredibly light. I guess the Kart was the first vehicle that I have driven in 25 years without power steering and boosted brakes.

    What a great day out!

    Cheers

    Graham
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    I've never driven a kart, but they look like tons of fun.:)

    Bob
  • crkyolfrtcrkyolfrt Member Posts: 2,345
    They are a hoot. The g in corners with a well setup cart will surprise you....but don't go throwing all caution to the wind if you check 'em out, or else the laws of physics will rule their ugly head quick. You can't hang out of the seat the way you can hang off on bike, cuz you are really strapped in there, but you can tilt your head which helps a little.

    Haven't ridden a cart for 33 years. Should do that soon for a giggle.
  • grahampetersgrahampeters Member Posts: 1,786
    G'day

    Bob' you should definitely give it a go sometimes. The totally raw control is something which takes you right back to dodgy cars of your youth.

    Mind you, my neck and shoulders are telling me all about it, this morning

    Cheers

    Graham
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    So my brother has had a crazy week or two.

    First, he hits a deer. Fixes the car up.

    As soon as he gets it back, a car and Semi wreck next to him, and he ends up caught up in their mess. His 2004 Legacy was totalled. He walks with some minor bruises and a scrape on his shin.

    So...we go car shopping on Saturday.

    Criteria - $20k or so, preferably new, AWD a must, manual trans a must.

    He wants to check out an SX4 first so we hit a Suzuki dealership. He finds it a bit small, I sort of expected that, him coming from a Legacy and all, but I say drive it anyway. We go out, drive about 200 feet, and....

    CRASH! Crazy guy in a beat up Sonata tried to pass on the left when we were making a left turn. Totally insane! Knocks our front bumper, hood, quarter panel, and headlight. He loses door trim, but it's one of many dents so he probably won't even fix it.

    Long story short, the guy admits fault (passing on the left with a double yellow line is clearly a no-no), we all go back to the dealership, Manager takes our info including me as a witness.

    Anyone ever had that happen to them? Get hit while on a test drive?

    I was so freaked out. He didn't really like the way it felt, not substantial enough, also not big enough inside.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    So we regroup and go drive a couple more cars. Hard to find AWD/manual any more, that REALLY limits the options.

    Kia Sportage - you can only get a manual in base models with FWD, but we took one out anyway. I have to admit, I liked it a lot more than I thought I would. It had too much squat and dive, but the clutch and shifter were smooth, and power was adequate. Visibility backing up is simply awful, but the price gave me reverse sticker-shock: $19.2k list. We both liked the styling inside and out. A very nice budget ride. No moonroof, which he wants, so it would need some upgrades at a minimum.

    Kia Optima - while we're there I suggest he try one since he plans on testing a Legacy, to give us a point of reference. Again, FWD, but we do find a manual and take it out. Oddly, this was the opposite - I did not like it as much as I thought. It's very isolated, soft. Not a driver's car at all (it's supposed to be sportier than the Sonata), and probably better suited to an auto trans. The clutch and shifter aren't as smooth as the Sportage's (weird, it being a car and all). Visibility is better, but still not great. Another price under $20k, wow, just WOW for value. It lacked AWD, a moonroof, and alloys, though. Still a lot of car for the money, but I'd recommend it to your aunt Edna.

    We could not find a Forester with a manual, believe it or not. He's looking BTW, if anyone knows if there's one in the DC area.

    Finally, we drove a Legacy 2.5i manual. He did, actually. He like it better than the Optima. It felt familiar, only heavier and more substantial, he said. Tons more room inside than his, and very comfy and maybe a tad more upscale than his 04 was. He liked the clutch and shifter better than Kia's. So it stays on his short list, along with the Sportage.

    Monday he's hoping to drive a manual Forester. The 2.5X Premium is ideal for him - he wants a manual, but with a moonroof, and of course AWD. It's the only vehicle in his price range that meets those 3 criteria (any others I missed?). Fitz said they have 5 manuals coming in this month.

    I had a $50 offer from Ford to test any car, so we said "why not?" and tested an Escape. Loaded up V6 automatic AWD. Very boxy, trucky, old school. Seems very dated, a good decade or two behind Subaru's current style and even further behind Kia's forward thinking style. Suspension was stiffer, oddly, so not too much body roll but the ride wasn't even close to the Kia or Subaru. The kicker - price was $36k. We both left there laughing.

    Ford's gotta be kidding. I think we'd both pick the Kia or Subaru even without the price advantage. The Escape needs a full redesign 5 years ago. I don't get how they can use the same platform for $16k rentals and near $40k hybrid Escapes.
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    We drive hybrid Escapes at work with the sync and it's a decent truck for work. I wouldn't buy one as a civilian but it has more ground clearance than our 2005 Explorers and our 2006 Durango.

    I think they will move the Escape over to fleet sales at some point and eliminate it from the lineup. They have so many overlaps in their market I think.

    -mike
    Subaru Guru and Track Instructor
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    edited February 2011
    Unbelievable! Did your brother anger the gods? Or is there a dark cloud following him?

    No Kizashi test drive?

    Bob
  • ladywclassladywclass Member Posts: 1,713
    weren't you a little afraid to go ride with him more after that? Your brother doesn't look like a 'test dummy' does he?
  • crkyolfrtcrkyolfrt Member Posts: 2,345
    Good read.

    Best to get all these crashes outta the way before he gets his new car. I'm confused about something. The Sportage was 2WD? for 19200? So the AWD will put him way over the 20k.

    He should likely also drive the Tucson...altho, seems to me that is auto as soon as you go AWD...nevermind...frigging idiots. I have run into the exact same thing lately. The Opt is a surprise.
    Tucson's seem to be thirstier than owners thought they should be. Same 2.4 in that Sportage, so check around. Also, never assume anything. If he decides on the Sportage, make sure he drives an AWD one.

    Also shocked the Escape was so harsh. Isn't it only 3 years old? Maybe/likely had huge rims with rock tires, idiots..who buys this crap?

    Looking forward to your account of the stick Forester. I hope to dribve one also myself this week if the wx stays nice.

    Glad you guys were ok..tighten up those belts till the dark shopping clouds have passed.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Yeah, it felt utilitarian. Reminded me of the Ford Transit in a way. Boxy inside and out, old school design.

    Bring over the Ford Kuga.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    No Kizashi - after the SX4 wreck we felt guilty, and my brother isn't going to buy a smallish automatic sedan.

    He wants to be able to pick up our parents from the airport - so think 3-4 people and about 4 suitcases. Even the Legacy might be a tight squeeze.
  • crkyolfrtcrkyolfrt Member Posts: 2,345
    I was going to ask the same, but the Zook will blow the budget large I think. They come in basically one trim, super loaded, and then u can add around 2k in options on that. Here in Cda, they start at 30k and go to hair under 33 i think. 18" rubber [thumb down] and the alloys look too busy. More spokes than an Audi wheel.

    A stick apparently has been decided to be a late availability option. Or at least here they decided to offer a stick along side the cvt. Big bucks and a poorer dealer presence for you guys even more than here.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    edited February 2011
    None were his fault, he just has a target on his back. Even the deer made a sudden suicide leap in front of him.

    Sportage was FWD, yes. Problem is, with AWD you're forced in to an automatic. Paddle shifter won't do it for him, he really wants manual. If it's an automatic he still doesn't care for paddles.

    Escape had big chrome wheels, surely part of the silly pricing. You sit VERY high up, so your head bobs back and forth and side ways. Doesn't feel car-like the way the others do.

    When I say ~20k I mean $8000-22000 or so, used or new, maybe even a little more if he finds the right car.

    Ideally he'd want something new and under $20k, but he won't get a moonroof for that much.
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    Was that the Suzuki dealer in Frederick? If so. that's a busy road.

    Bob
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    The road is nearly abandoned, there were the only 2 cars in sight—and you had an accident.!?!?

    Bob
  • ladywclassladywclass Member Posts: 1,713
    edited February 2011
    no .. his BROTHER had an "accident" ...
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    That's the funny part.

    He slowed down due to a pot hole, had his left turn signal on, and slowly turned to the left.

    The guy in the beater Sonata (REALLY beat up, badly) attemped a high speed pass on the left. Speed limit is 25, no passing zone. Crazy move.

    He admitted fault, there wasn't even a discussion about it.

    My brother and I were both in shock, "what the &*$% just happened?"

    It was a total non-sensical move by the Sonata.
  • ladywclassladywclass Member Posts: 1,713
    Did you go back to the dealership and say, "We decided to check out the collision safety features of the car" ...
  • hammerheadhammerhead Member Posts: 907
    We too have a couple Escape Hybrids as staff cars. Drove one for a day on a training mission and wasn't impressed at all. Buzzy, noisy, and just felt awkward & somehow disconnected to the road. Forester is miles and years ahead, and a bargain as well.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Good one. I'm glad the air bags didn't deploy.

    His insurance called me today for a statement. They're not challenging anything, just wanted to confirm his story.

    He said he thought we were doing a U-turn, but how could he even have known that given we didn't turn even 1/8th of a circle? Funny guy, trying to deflect blame.

    If we'd done a U-turn, he would have hit us HEAD ON!
  • colin_lcolin_l Member Posts: 591
    Sounds fun, Graham! The kart rentals near me are all slow (some electric, some aircooled 4-stroke) and small tracks.

    However I've driven 125cc shifter karts before and they are great fun. Some months ago I tried to convince a Crew member to buy one... to no avail. :)
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    I've been searching for all the awd + MT options. Not too many.

    Audi 4/5 series
    Subaru 4 cylinder

    all the others are base models only, if that.

    :(

    -mike
    Subaru Guru and Track Instructor
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Yep, we're trying to find a Forester Premium with a manual. Found one so far, Patti's setting him up for VIP pricing, then he'll drive it. AWP is $22.8k or so, maybe a little less under VIP. If he passes on the AWP he can probably get it around $22k, which is right around the top of his intended budget.

    Will keep you posted.
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