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Honda Civic Hybrid



  • library1library1 Posts: 54
    Let me clarify this- New York State allows a tax CREDIT of $1,200 (at least- its being disputed) for Hybrid cars. Federal law is for a DEDUCTION of up to $2,000.

    However there is a claim at that you can get a federal tax CREDIT of 10% of the cost of an electric vehicle. This makes things confusing. I'm trying to get my tax professional to sort this out. Thanks to the above poster for checking up on my language. IT IS A BIG DIFFERENCE.

  • cwaggamacwaggama Posts: 6
    My wife and I just purchased a 5 speed- they are hard to find around here and won't be in (from another dealer's stock on order)until the end of the month.

    I have enjoyed all the posts about the Hybrid, including the more critical ones. I know that I will have second thoughts about this purchase because it's evident that this car is over priced relative to its competition and it costs a whole lot more than others we were looking at. Paying list price was painful as well.

    I just keep telling myself that the early purchasers of hybrid cars are helping to establish a market that will make this and better technologies available for less of a premium in the future. That should benefit everyone. It's not all altruism, of course. There is the "neatness" factor of owning a still fairly rare car with technology that you have to explain to people. But I think Hybrid owners need to be ready for very mixed reactions- this has happened to us already. Some people just love the fact that you bought this car and can't wait to see it and drive in it. Others have already read about it, are unimpressed and keep asking why you paid so much for a civic. Oh well, there are those pretty blue lights.

    Here's a question for those of you with more technical and automotive knowledge than me. It would seem that this technology as it becomes better would be very useful as a way to boost performance from smaller engines without losing any fuel economy (maybe even improving it). Instead of putting the IMA system in a two seater like the insight, imagine adding its horsepower and torque to a car like the Miata. If people are willing to pay good money for larger engines to boost performance, why not pay for a hybrid engine that does the same with at no cost in mpg?
    This supposes a significant drop in the price of the technology, but isn't that inevitable? Thanks for the posts.
  • dindakdindak Posts: 6,632
    Great idea. I hope Canada adopts a similar policy. Tax breaks should get more manufacturers on board also.
  • daysailerdaysailer Posts: 720
    If the objective is increased performance, improvements in IC engine output are more economical and entail less increase in mass than does the addition of electric drive and battery. The hybrid's reason for being is to provide energy recovery and storage to reduce fuel consumption and emissions.
  • Bought a Civic Hybrid over Memorial Day weekend. Love it. MPG has been about 45. The dealer tells me it will get better with more miles on it.

    A couple of questions: Honda says the first oil change should be at 7500 miles because of a special additive in the oil that helps everthing "seal up." Does that sound right to other owners?

    Is anyone seeing better gas mileage using the cruise control (after the 600 mile break in)?

    Also, has anyone seen a difference between 87 octane and say, 89 or 93 octane gasoline?

    Seat height adjustment: it could use one. My Subaru Legacy Outback had it and it was great. I'd rate the seats as "OK" in the Civic Hybrid but not exceptional.

    I'm still happy with the purchase. Feels good to be in the vanguard of a new generation of car, and doing my Green thing.

    Rob V.
  • jeffdwjeffdw Posts: 1
    I have had my Civic Hybrid AT for about two months and put over 3,000 miles on it already. I have not seen an improvement in the mileage at all. I commute about 96 miles a day round trip from Northern Virginia to D.C and the best I have I have gotten is 49.9 on one trip with cruise and no AC. With AC running I'm getting about 42, with AC off I'm getting around 45. I haven't tried changing octane yet. I was hoping for better mileage, however my main reason for buying was that Hybrids are allowed to run in the HOV (express) lanes on I95 here in VA, which saves me about 30-45 minutes each way. To me, that was worth the price. I contacted 15 Honda dealerships before I found one about 50 miles south of me in Richmond, VA, where I paid MSRP. Most of the Northern, VA dealers were taking pre-orders ranging from 2-4 thousand above MSRP, in which I said "get real".
    I'm not really sure about the oil changes, I'm just planning on following the recommendations.
  • jmurman42jmurman42 Posts: 675
    we tell our customers to change the oil, first time at 3700-4000 miles.

    The Hybrid uses 0-20w oil.

  • fthd, we have a 5-speed manual.

    jmurman42, page 187of our 2003 Hybrid owner's manual tells us explicitly that our first oil change should be at 10,000 miles. Could you please tell us why you are giving instructions that do not match the manual? Is the manual incorrect? Have you received overriding instructions from Honda that are not written in the manual? Or are you basing your recommendation on regular Civic models? Thank you.
  • My dealer told me that the first oil change for the Hybrid Civic is at 10,000 miles (as the manual says). Apparently, there are some additives in the oil that is put in at the factory and they want to keep it in for the first 10,000 miles.
  • The salesman at my Honda dealership in Austin says 3,000 miles; his boss says 7,500 miles; and the manual says 10,000 miles. Whew. I'm going to go with 7,500 miles and more or less split the difference.

    I tried a tank of 89 octane gas and didn't find any difference in performance or MPG. I have 700 miles on mine and the best I've done so far is 44 MPG. Anyone else with similar or different results? Where's the 51 MPG?

    Rob V.
  • tangstertangster Posts: 1
    I live in Austin, but there were no 5-speeds available here in town. So I went down to Houston and test drove one at David McDavid Honda there. I liked it slightly better than the CVT transmission. However, I was very surprised that they were willing to sell me one for $18,995 -- over $1000 over MSRP. Thought folks here might like to know that. They claim that they sell quite a few of the hybrids.
  • You keep slamming those of us who have bought the Civic Hybrid and raving about the Jetta TDI. The Jetta TDI is probably a fine car, but it's the past, not the future. Maybe we are a bunch of tree huggers; or, maybe we will no longer tolerate a consumption-based society that is bent on destroying the planet. Buying a hybrid is our small way of doing something about it.

    If you're so hot for the Jetta TDI, by all means go and buy one. Me? I'm very happy with the Civic Hybrid.
  • rileyyhrileyyh Posts: 49
    Hey! I didn't know there was a Civic Hybrid board. I posted in the insight board before. But I bought a Civic Hybrid during the Memorial Weekend event too! What coincidence! I also live in Northern Virginia and I also bought a blue silver one. I paid $19800 before taxes and tags, which includes a whole lot of options like the Appearance package and ABS and my parents also got them to throw in leather trim. While I think the deal I got is great, the service hasn't been the best. I was told to bring the car in to have leather installed last week, so I was carless for 3 days, but then they told me they made a mistake and that it would be done on tuesday. So I took the car back and just returned it this morning. I think they are having a car customizing place install the leather trim. Does anyone else have leather in their Hybrid? I've been told by my dealer that this is going to be the first civic he has ever seen with leather in it. I feel bad though. I've just recently passed 650 miles, but there has been about 3 incidences when I just pushed the pedal to see how fast the car could go. There was one time I tried to accelerate off a stop light in S mode and went to about 5000 RPM, but it was only for a second or two at that rpm. I know you're sposed to go easy on the car in the beginning. I am regretful but hope it doesn't really matter. Oh yeah, I got the CVT. But so far, I am seeing average 40mpg (that's driving normal aka 5-10 mph over the speed limit). I've once gotten 51mpg in city driving when I was very conservative, keeping a constant speed of 40mph. Does anyone know if the hybrid has one of those chips that adapt to the person's driving? That might explain how my mileage is improving but not the best. I like starting with D, shifting to S for a speed rush, then going back to D for steady acceleration.

  • mvaldivimvaldivi Posts: 24
    Just curious... And these are just questions, not comments. Does anyone know what are the major maintenance requirements on hybrid-powered cars such as the Prius, Civic or Insight? If so, please reply me these questions: How often does the timing belt needs to be replaced? Does the batteries ever need to be replaced as well? and how much would they cost? What is the maintenance for a CVT tranny, an electric power steering, and the 10KW motor/generator? Are they expensive?
  • britton2britton2 Posts: 305
    the only thing I remember reading regarding the Prius battery was that it was under warranty to 100,000 miles or 8 years -
  • jmurman42jmurman42 Posts: 675
    You are right, I am basing my recommendations for an oil change at 3-4,000 miles on a regular Civic.

    I will find out the correct answer for you....10,000 miles, wow!

    I wonder if the engine being so clean burning just doesn't dirty the oil?


  • Supertone, we are doing the same thing with our trip A and B settings (B for lifetime, and A for each tankful). So far with aboug 3300 miles on our opal blue 5-speed, we are averaging 48.6 mpg overall. I find myself playing with the mpg also... "Oh, lighten my foot on the gas so I can increase the mileage!"

    We are already finding tiny nicks and such. I have an order in to my local Honda dealer for opal blue touch-up paint. Does anyone know a dealer who has them in stock already? I was told Honda DOESN'T SELL THEM YET, and I don't know whether to believe them or not.
  • emcclendemcclend Posts: 4
    I have put about 1200 miles on my Hybrid. I've filled the tank twice. On the first fill up my trip meter was indicating that I was averaging 44 mpg. My actual mileage (distance divided by gallons of gas used) was 41 mpg the car went 464 miles on the first tank of gas before the fuel light came on. On the second tank of gas, I drove 525 miles before the fuel light came on. The trip meter indicated that I had averaged 47.6 mpg, reality was 42.6. I believe the mileage will get better, but I don't know that I will get the 48 mpg city and 47 mpg highway as advertised on the sticker. It is far too hot in this area of the country (Dallas, TX) to not use the AC; however, on those two days out of the year when I don't use the ac, my gas mileage might be better.

    The car is very comfortable and I like the autostop feature, because the ac still says on during this time, one merely has to adjust the fan speed to compensate for the difference in ac performance when the gasoline is off.

    I am also not sure on the oil change schedule. I consider this area an extreme weather area because of the heat. If I follow the owners manual, that would mean changing the oil at 5,000 miles. My dealer recommends 3,750 miles for the oil change. I changed the oil on 1991 Honda Civic hatch back at every 3,000 mile interval and it still works great.

    I didn't know that leather seats were available with the Hybrid. I had 4 things included in the Hybrid: wheel locks, a polymer hood protector, mud flaps and floor mats. The Edmunds TMV = the sticker price. I was able to get mine with the four extras mentioned above for $1700 under the sticker price. Car sales in this area of the country are really slow, buyers can make incredible deals.

    I asked for 4 price quotes from the more than 30 or so dealerships in the DFW area. I visited each of the four dealerships and asked for their best offer. Then I sent an email to all four listing the features I wanted and the best deal each was offering. Within hours of the email 3 of the 4 dealers offered me competitive bids. I got two dealers in a bidding war. The emails really helped me keep track of the bids and who was offering what. I recommend this tactic to anyone buying any vehicle, not just the Honda Civic Hybrid.
  • rfruthrfruth Posts: 630
    I don't have a hybrid yet but hope to one day soon anyway was wondering how the A/C works in idle stop mode in the Civic I mean if the engine isn't running is the compressor turning or is it just the fan blowing ? In the Prius even at a stop (gas motor not running) one of the electric motors turns the gas motor (no spark, thats what I mean by not running) thus the compressor is turning and the fan is blowing. How does the Civic do it ? As for how often to change the oil it does seem unusual that the book recommends 10,000 mile (5000 severe service ((temps over 90 degrees)) but since the gas engine isn't working as hard (auto stop, electric motor assist) maybe 5000 miles = the 3750 miles we're used to ? Rob in Houston
  • tbaytbay Posts: 22
    I'd like to throw out some questions for discussion
    1) How do you think the Hybrid will perform in a cold Northern Ontario Winter?
    2) Might some of the parts be hard to get because of the low production volume?
    3) How will the depreciation compare with regular Honda Civics?
    4) How will the low resistance tires compromise the vehicle?

    Thanks for any input from you folks in cyberland!
  • Here are my test drive impressions of the Honda Civic Hybrid 5-speed, but first a little background.

    Last month my girlfriend and I researched and test drove the Prius and the Honda Civic Hybrid (both with automatic transmissions). We bought the Prius primarily because it has much better acceleration (off the line, and at speed) and better exterior colors than the Civic Hybrid. After driving the Prius for a month, we both love it. If I had to change anything on the car it would be the brakes. They are pretty weak and grabby. You have to brake differently than with a normal car.

    But now back to the 5-speed manual Civic Hybrid test drive.

    The 5-speed version of the Civic Hybrid is only a little bit faster and peppier than the automatic version, but is still underpowered. If Toyota can make a peppy hybrid sedan, Honda should be able to also-- but Honda has fallen short of the mark with both versions of their current Civic Hybrid.

    The colors are still plain-vanilla boring and awful. We got our Prius in a nice navy blue.

    But get this! In the Civic Hybrid, there is an opening in each of the front wheel wells into the engine compartment! I didn't notice this on the automatic version, but maybe I missed it. The opening is about the size of a dinner plate and I was shocked. Having lived through 5 Colorado winters, and many more in the Northeast, I can't imagine all the saltly slush and icy crud that usually gets caked into the wheel wells now getting sprayed into the engine compartment! Are they out of their minds?

    The Honda salesman said that the holes were for ventilation to cool the engine, but I think he was feeding me a line. If the Prius doesn't need dinner plate-sized holes in the wheel wells for "ventilation" why does the Civic Hybrid?

    The ONLY things that the Civic Hybrid beats the Prius in is better brakes, and the convenience of standard Civic parts.
  • medfamedfa Posts: 1
    When I pull into my parking spot, the engine shuts off (which is nice). It immediately turns on again when I switch the CVT from drive to park. (This seems like a waste.) To prevent this, I've been shutting the car off using my key when the engine is off, but the transmission is still in drive. It's only a minor annoyance, but I wish there were a more usable alternative. Anyone else notice this? I hope I'm not hurting the car by doing this.
  • rileyyhrileyyh Posts: 49
    I got my leather installed by the Aftermarkets department of my dealer. They got a customizing company to do it but I think it looks a lot nicer now. Feels nice too. As for my options, I got the wheel locks and the mud guards and the floor mats. I don't think I got that hood guard thing. But I do have the silver highlights for the front and the back, but not the silver exhaust cover. As for mileage, I'm so happy! I'm nearing my 1000 mi mark and I drive normal with my hybrid. I always seem to be going around 70mph on the highway and 45mph on local roads, which is a bit on the fast side, but I am now getting 49mpg. Sometimes I get 52mpg even though the sticker mileage was 48/47. I guess the website mileage of 51/47 is more accurate. I think I'm paranoid about the tires being the right pressure. I noticed a slight flattening around the bottom of my front tires after my second fueling, but my dad says all cars are like that. I love to drive my car and I love the fact that I've gone about 1000 mi so far and have paid about 26 dollars for fuel with half a tank still in my car. I'm thinking of getting tint for my windows once I start working. I'm thinking of getting a reflective silver or reflective white tint. Not too strong though. I might also get some interior lights to make it look nice. So far, I have gotten a nice black rubber/gray suede steering wheel cover for my car. I'm not going to invest too much into it, but these little things make it much nicer I think.

  • dindakdindak Posts: 6,632
    I think depreciation will be worse on these due to the limited appeal and high initial cost. If you plan on selling in a few years you might want to consider that. As for northern climates, it should run fine as I'm sure it's been tested but I kind of wonder how it would be through a blizzard. Power may be an issue if you are stuck in a lot of snow.
  • dgallondgallon Posts: 4
    I am deciding between a Honda Civic Hybrid and a Toyota Prius. Can anyone tell me what the strengths and weaknesses of both (or either) are? I am looking for feel and features. Why should I choose one over the other.
  • emcclendemcclend Posts: 4
    While the auto/stop feature is engaged, the gasoline engine does shut off. However, the electric motor keeps the air conditioning working albeit with somewhat less force. To compensate for this, one can adjust the fan speed. The ac condenser is still working so the air is still as cold as you have it set for.

    The polymer which was put on my hood covers about the first 8 inches, it is clear, but does provide protection from the sand, gravel, etc. which gets constantly sprayed on these Texas roads by trucks. It was also applied to the back side of the side mirrors and underneath the door handles. I don't know if every dealership offers this, it is an after market feature. The polymer is made by 3M.

    I have not experienced the lack of pep described by chrishatcher. As a matter of fact, I am surprised at how fast the car does accelerate. I agree the color choices could be improved, but I still believe this car to be a better vehicle than the Prius. As for braking with the Civic Hybrid, you brake like you would any car equipped with ABS, no difference.

    My suggestion to those who are undecided is to test drive both cars and make your decision afterwards.
  • fthdfthd Posts: 5
    Is it worth noting that on the Prius manual transmission is unavailable? Seems that with the Civic Hybrid 5 speed you could make the car drive more like a standard Civic by getting a feel for the transmission, in ways that you could'nt if you're constrained by an automatic transmission, no matter how refined the auto trans. Is that wrong?
  • cason621cason621 Posts: 15
    I would be inclined to trust the computer's indicated MPG over a manual calculation that uses the gas pump's gallons dispensed. The computer measures very precicely how much gas is shot through the injectors. The shut-off point of gas pumps can vary widely, depending on things as temperature and calibration. In fact, when I compute gallons used for my hybrid, I use the computed miles and MPG, and solve for gallons used.

    There is an excellent web site that discusses this and other driving tips for the IMA system. It is directed to the Insight, but much of it is applicable to the Civic. I really liked the tips on maximizing regenerative braking.

    Web site:

  • rfruthrfruth Posts: 630
    This promotional video from Digital Avenue is just plain cool. It does a great job of describing & illustrating (in their own words) the next generation of car for today's generation of buyers. Video Details: 2 minutes seconds, 320 x 240 pixels, 15 frames-per-second, 24-bit color, 11025 Hz Mono 8 Bit sound, AVI format (MPEG-4 compression), 5.7 MB just go here then "other stuff" then "Honda videos 3" thanks John1701a !
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