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Hope this helps.
Ken
Well Nissan update there web site with new photos and now I can say that I have seen it all.
The 04 Quest has what Nissan refers to as a photo clip. It's located where conventional gauges are normally. But since the Quest's new gauges are in the center they had to but something there. Nissan says its for shopping lists, pictures etc.
Follow this link and go to the essentials section and you'll see.
http://www.nissanusa.com/vehicles/FutureModelHomePage/0,,24365,00.html
then click on the red lettered _Future Vehicles. It will then open the page for the sienna. Click on the "Coming this spring. The brillant 2004 Sienna." A pop up window will well. . . pop up and I think you can figure out the rest from there.
Hope this helps.
Thanks for keeping us updated. My third kid is due first week Feb. and my wife is on me big time for a bigger vehicle. I have been holding out for the new Sienna so any pricing and shipping info you have is appreciated.
-Brian
then click on the red lettered _Future Vehicles. It will then open the page for the sienna. Click on the "Coming this spring. The brillant 2004 Sienna." A pop up window will well. . . pop up and I think you can figure out the rest from there.
Hope this helps.
FCHV-4, Retro Land Cruiser, Ultimate Celica, MR2, Street Affair, RSC, FXS, and p.o.d.
If I click on the _Future Vehicles, the screen changes format, but still shows these same cars. Is this what you see?
FCHV-4, then Sienna 2004.
Thanks for trying to help though.
Good Luck
thanks for the help guys...I have a feeling that an XLE Limited will be pushing $35K which then takes me to the '04 RX 330...then again there is nothing like a Lexus.
thanks for the help guys...I have a feeling that an XLE Limited will be pushing $35K which then takes me to the '04 RX 330...then again there is nothing like a Lexus.
http://www.autonews.com/files/2003_detroit/toyota/sienna/14-2004-Sienna-XLE-Ltd-AWD.jpg
I've concluded that the XLE Ltd does in fact come with steering wheel controls!
I need to change my user name from SequoiaSaurus to SiennaSaurus now!
I like it more and more each time I find photos. Even though the new Quest is going to be built practically in my back yard the new Sienna is looking better!
Unfortunately for us, my wife's Bravada lease expired on 12/29/02, whether the new Sienna was out yet or not!
So, we did the sensible thing and bought a new Ody last month (EXL). It's a nice van, and we like it OK, but I really think that Toyota has hit a home run with the new Sienna.
While I agree with the poster that a fully-optioned one will prolly approach $35k, if you get an XLE (without the DVD or Navi), I'd like to think we could be looking at a nicely-optioned one (leather, etc.) sticker of around $31-ish.
Given Toyota's desire to sell 120k a year (WAAAAY optimistic if you ask me), I suspect we'll be looking at deals at/around invoice ($28k) by year's end.
We paid $27k for our Ody, which I hope will maintain its resale somewhat. If we could trade it in for a Sienna (it has under 2k miles right now) and put up an additional $2k, I think we'd be very happy with the new Sienna for a long, long time.
(Of course I know that Honda will release its next gen Ody late this year, but how much better than the new Sienna could it possibly get?).
:-)
I checked the toyota website yesterday. The base price for the 2003 Sienna (CE) was $24K and change. Hopefully the standard equipment on the 2004 equals that of the 2003 and the price is comparable on up.
My current van is about dead. I sure hope it makes it until March!
what i get is just a yellow page with no info.
http://www.toyota.com/html/shop/look_ahead/
Toyota has released a date of March 14 for the 2004 Sienna to us at the dealership.
From what I can see for the sliding doors, they look bigger to me. They need to be of course to allow the power windows to come down.
The base price of a 2003 Sienna is $23,995 and with options runs about $25,500. So if we assume that Toyota will keep the "Standard Options" about the same than you can also assume that the 2004 with a base price of $22,905 will be about $24,500 with normal options.
Toyota just released a special on 2003's this morning. You can get either $1500 cash back or $1000 cash back plus low financing. The low financing is 36 mos @ 0%; 48 mos @ 1.9%; 60 mos @ 2.9%
Remember, the 2004 goal of 120,000 units by Toyota will have no baring on what the dealer sells them for. Toyota manufacturing really doesn't care what they sell for once they are shipped to the dealer. They make no more money whether the dealer sells the van for $5000 over sticker or $5000 below invoice, so I wouldn't guess what they will be selling for at the end of the year. Honda is still selling for close to sticker because the dealers can, not because the factory is telling them it is ok.
The Odyssey has them, the Grand Caravan doesn't (until you get to the expensive models, over 33k), the 2003 Sienna doesn't (I don't think). The new Quest has them.
Also, from the looks of it, the back seats don't go completely into the floor, as they do in the Odyssey (although the Sienna offers a split, removable rear bench, which is exactly what I'd been hoping for). Can anybody else tell?
By the way, does anybody know whether they'll be offering a larger engine? The only gripe I have about this new Sienna, which looks awesome and which we'll probably buy, is that the engine isn't a little bigger. The GC offers a 3.8, the redesigned Odyssey reportedly will have a 3.8, and the new Quest has a 3.5. Of course, perhaps it's irrelevant, since Toyota claims this baby has great acceleration.
I'm glad to see that the manufacturers have started paying more attention to making these vehicles great, instead of nice. Since we're about to buy a new one, I wish Honda was introducing sooner, rather than later . . .
Long post, I know, but I'm hoping somebody like toyotaken might have some insight.
Great forum, and thanks to all who posted links. They were quite valuable!
In Canada, we supposedly have "Access Toyota" pricing. Any Canadians know how firm Toyota Canada and Canadian dealers are to sticking with this. From what I can tell, they are fairly firm.
If you really shop around you can generally get $1000 to $2000 off MSRP for the Odyssey. I see the same thing for the Sienna after several months as Toyota will be ramping up production and supply should be decent. The new generation of minivans is quite impressive, as even the Quest has some positives.
Is it true that you can't do factory orders with Toyota? I'd rather pay MSRP on a factory order on what I want than get a modest discount (or no discount) on a lot of stuff that is forced on me. One objection I have had in the past (as per message 380) is all of the tacked-on options that jack the prices way up on Toyotas. Honda dealers get a lot of criticism for selling at MSRP or above, but comparing the old Sienna with the Ody the MSRP price on the Sienna is higher by the time you add in the options that are always tacked on. The Toyota pricing structure seems calculated to play into the inflated MSRP/negotiate as best you can strategy, rather than setting a fair price, and take it or leave it.
The lowering of the base MSRP on the new Sienna is encouraging, but if a LE with AWD is going to be over 30K then we will probably go with the Pilot LX instead, which my wife favors, and can now be gotten at a discount by casting a wide net. Personally, I'd rather get the Sienna because it has so much more interior room at a similar MPG and vehicle weight.
Thanks to all the great information you folks have been putting up here.
In Canada, we supposedly have "Access Toyota" pricing. Any Canadians know how firm Toyota Canada and Canadian dealers are to sticking with this. From what I can tell, they are fairly firm.
If you really shop around you can generally get $1000 to $2000 off MSRP for the Odyssey. I see the same thing for the Sienna after several months as Toyota will be ramping up production and supply should be decent. The new generation of minivans is quite impressive, as even the Quest has some positives.
I'm a new member of this Edmunds Town Hall. While I'm exciting about the new 04 Sienna , I'm a bit dissappointed that Toyota doesn't offer 4 wheel disc brakes on all Siennas and why do they only make the speedometer go up to 110mph ? Can I order a LE version with 4 wheel disc brakes or do I have to buy the XLE Limited AWD . I hope some one can share some info about this
dtd98
Considering their aggressive sales goal, I expect the price will drop significantly below MSRP after first few months. Also, I do have concern about the initial quality. The assembly line is new, as well as the engine/transmission factory in WV. Honda had a lot of problems with their new factory in Alabama, even though the Odessay has been in production at Canada for 3 years. I would wait a few months to see if there is any major quality issue. Remeber the sluge?
177.4 cu. ft. of passenger interior volume (7-passenger models; 8-passenger, 176.5 cu. ft.)
43.6 cu. ft. of cargo volume behind the third-row seats
230-hp VVT-i 3.3-liter V6 engine with 242 lb.-ft. of torque
5-speed electronically controlled automatic transmission with intelligence (ECT-i)
Drivetrain -- front engine, front-wheel drive; All-Wheel Drive (AWD)
Mileage estimates,1 mpg city/hwy: 20/25, front-wheel drive; 18/22, All-Wheel Drive
DIMENSIONS
Overall length 200.0"
Overall width 77.4"
Overall height 68.9"
Wheelbase 119.3"
Curb weight 4,120 lbs.2
Wheels/tires 16" steel wheels with full wheel cover on P215/65R16 All-Season tires
16" aluminum alloy wheels with P215/65R16 All-Season tires
17" aluminum alloy wheels with P225/60R17 All-Season tires (standard on AWD models)
Seven-passenger models (all grades) or 8-passenger models (CE, LE)
No other minivan has it: the 60/40 Split & Stow 3rd row™ seat -- fold part, or all, of the third row flat into the floor
Also found on no other minivan, the Front and Center™ second-row seat -- bring an infant seat within easy reach of the driver and front passenger by positioning the center seat forward (8-passenger models only)
Second-row indexing seat -- the passenger-side captain's chair moves laterally to create side-by-side seating (7-passenger models only)
Front passenger seat folds flat to help carry long cargo
Second-row power windows
Power-operated rear door
Folding tray table between front-row seats contains five cup holders and folds down to create walk-through space to rear seats
Removable center console may be installed between the front- or second-row seats
Touch-screen DVD navigation system3 with rearview camera
Rear-seat DVD entertainment system with remote control and two wireless headphones (packaged with available 115V outlets)
Rear-seat audio system with remote control and wireless headphone capability
Three-zone automatic climate controls for driver, front passenger and rear-seat passengers
Driver's seat with adjustable lumbar support
Driver and front passenger heated seats with adjustable temperature control (leather-trimmed seats only)
JBL Synthesis AM/FM Cassette/CD with ten speakers, making Sienna the only minivan with surround sound (with 6-disc in-dash changer on XLE Limited)
Retractable side-window sunshades
Fourteen cup/bottle holders on 7-passenger models (16 on 8-passenger models)
Conversation mirror allows parents to see children safely
Two 115V outlets
HVAC filter
Driver and front passenger seat-mounted side and three-row side curtain airbags4
Driver and front passenger multi-stage5 airbags4
4-wheel Anti-lock Brake System (ABS)
3-point seatbelts in all seating positions
Child seat lower anchors and top tether anchors for four rear-seat positions (five on 8-passenger models)
Vehicle Stability Control (VSC)6 + TRAC Traction Control, Brake Assist7 and Daytime Running Lights (DRL)
Intuitive Parking Assist
Dynamic Laser Cruise Control8
High Intensity Discharge (HID) headlamps
Obstacle-detection sensors with "pinch protection" on power side doors and back door
Windshield wiper de-icer grid
Tire pressure warning system
Auto-dimming electrochromic driver's power mirror and inside rearview mirror
All available equipment offered only as part of bundled option packages.
12004 preliminary mileage estimates determined by Toyota. Final EPA mileage estimates not available at time of posting. Actual results may vary.
2CE and LE 7-passenger models.
3The Toyota touch-screen DVD navigation system is designed to assist in locating an address or point of interest. Discrepancies may be encountered between the system and your actual location. Changes in street names, road closures, traffic flow or other road system changes may affect the accuracy of the mapping software. Rely upon your common sense to decide whether or not to follow a specified route. Detailed coverage not available in every city. Optional periodic geographic updates available at an additional cost. See your Navigation System Owner's Manual and your Toyota dealer for further details.
4The Toyota driver, front passenger, front seat-mounted side airbags and three-row side curtain airbags are Supplemental Restraint Systems (SRS). The driver and front passenger airbags are designed to deploy in severe (usually frontal) collisions where the magnitude and duration of the forward deceleration of the vehicle exceeds the design threshold level. The side airbags and three-row side curtain airbags are designed to inflate in severe side-impact collisions. In all other accidents, the airbags will not inflate. To decrease the risk of injury from a deploying airbag, always wear seatbelts, sit upright in the middle of the seat as far back as possible from the airbag modules and do not lean against the door. Do not put objects in front of an airbag or around the seatback. Do not use rearward-facing child seats in any front passenger seat. The force of a deploying airbag SRS may cause serious injury or death. Please see your Owner's Manual for further instructions.
5Driver airbag is three-stage controlled deployment; front passenger airbag is two-stage controlled deployment.
6Toyota Vehicle Stability Control (VSC) is an electronic system designed to help the driver maintain vehicle control under adverse conditions. It is not a substitute for safe driving practices. Factors including speed, road conditions and driver steering input can all affect whether VSC will be effective in preventing a loss of control. Please see your Owner's Manual for further details.
7Brake Assist is designed to help the driver take full advantage of the benefits of ABS. It is not a substitute for safe driving practices. Braking effectiveness also depends on proper brake-system maintenance and tire and road conditions.
8Dynamic Laser Cruise Control is designed to assist the driver and is not a substitute for safe and attentive driving practices. Please see your Owner's Manual for important cautions and instructions.