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Tundra Problems
bamatundra
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I know that this topic will not get much activity, but I think that it is important to have a topic where Tundra Owners or persons interest in owning a Tundra can post questions or comments about Tundra problems.
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It's time to show a little self control folks...
I'll also link this discussion to the Toyota Owners Clubs message boards...
Jeff
I thought I'd post a couple of issues I have with my 2002 regular cab 4x4 Tundra (about 1600 miles on it now). . . one problem is that I can't seem to stop driving it . . . my Eurovan is languishing in the carport ever since the Tundra showed up.
But seriously, sometimes it is a little stubborn about coming out of Park unless I let it roll up against the parking detent, which is something I always try not to do with an automatic transmission. Anybody else experience this? Second problem: does anyone else think the A/C-turned-on idle speed is a little erratic? Fluctuates between 600-1100 rpm - I probably need to get this adjusted. Third and final problem: passenger's side rear leaf spring is a little off-kilter (the bottom thickest one). It is offset on the diagonal by about 3/4 of an inch. It doesn't seem to effect anything or make noise, but it bugs me a little. I wonder if I can just have the dealer loosen the shackles while it is up on a lift, straighten it and tighten it back up again? I'll be heading out for some off-roading soon, so I was thinking maybe some good whomping will straighten it out on its' own . . .
*devilish grin*.
Other than that, what a great truck. I really like it. Anybody else out there have a regular cab 4x4? They seem pretty rare.
Cheers,
Tex
This is NOT a go-ahead to continue the battle. It is NOT an OK to try and "prove" that some other vehicle is better.
You know who you are... exercise some self-control.
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Is this the proposed 3/4 ton that was discussed in another topic that was closed?
What is "soon"??
Does Toyota currently have any engine large enough to handle a 3/4 ton tow/load capacity?
Seems like there was specualtion about a 5.4L in the closed topic....do you know if Toyota is actually testing this engine?
Has there ACTUALLY been an announcement of this vehicle by Toyota, or is this just speculation on the part of Toyota loyalists?
Even if it is at this point speculation, what availability date are you hearing??
IF they build it, and IF it is REALLY a 3/4 ton, I will be interested when I'm ready to replace my current vehicle.
Are there any magazine or news articles you can steer me toward to learn more?
Thanks for any answers you can provide.
Tom
tom, your anxiety over Toyota's venture into the full-size truck market is transparent, but that's perfectly understandable. We all know what happens when Toyota sets their sights.
I heard toyota might possibly use a cat diesel engine. SO i guess it wouldnt be a toyota. It would have a nice engine though
I doubt the Toyota will use the CAT engine. I could be mistaken, but the diesel in their extremely successful overseas Hilux is Toyota developed, and any 3/4 ton Toyota truck offered here will probably be Toyota developed as well.
I dont know for sure if toyota wil use a Cat engine but i have read it in a few articles that it is a possibility
Honestly i think if they do it would be a smart move on their part but thats just me
Very poor comeback to why Toy doesn't have a 3/4....
- Tim
He couldn't give me any details though. True Toyota fashion to not leak out too many things, understandably so. I have no reason to doubt what he says. I told him I was waiting for the 03's to come out and would like to step into one. I'm not really too up to snuff on the rumors going around here in the U.S. about a possible bigger Tundra in near future. 3/4 ton, diesel, full cab ??? all these things are possible, so is a full ton I suppose, who knows.
I think there's plenty and plenty of us who could benefit from Toyota stepping up and truly making a full size work truck. Otherwise Toyota is ruled out, not necessarily due to performance issues, but simply a lack of product period. I believe the current top of line Tundra is as powerful a truck as they have. Certainly not adequate enough to match up against some of the other beasts out there.
I don't believe there has ever been any formal announcement from Toyota but not sure. I know they've thrown out some ideas at some of the bigger auto shows. Maybe someone else who follows a little closer might know. If I come across any interesting articles, i'll post them.
Cheers
The Silverado on the otherhand had 220,748 sold YTD til April and 221,662 for 2001. That is 914 units below the same time last year. That is a 0.414% decline over last year.
Toyotathon!
Tom
Made my decision...Yamaha FZ1 in silver.
Upright riding postion, 458 lbs dry, de-tuned R1 engine, with center stand, ferret horn!
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Are you trying to say that I am, or should be concerned, and therefore anxious, about GM loosing market share to Toyota's entry into the full size truck market?
When I purchased my current truck, I looked at the Tundra and was DISAPPOINTED, not anxious. I found I would have to give up over 1600 pounds of towing capacity, give up payload, settle for less horse power and torque, sacrifice interior room and comfort, settle for a bed that needed side boards to equal other manufacturers' beds depth, live with a much shorter wheel base than I prefer for towing, and not have disc 4 wheel ABS, when compared to the GM 1/2 ton 4X4 SB EC.
I compared the Tundra to the full size 1/2 ton offerings from Ford, Dodge, and GM and found that Toyota had "set their sights" and MISSED the target. Rather than introducing a truck that raised, or equaled the performance capabilities of the other full sized offerings, they introduced the Tundra, which is a step up from the T100, but BARELY in the class of full size 1/2 ton trucks, IMHO. I will again consider Toyota if and when they introduce a "bigger and better Tundra." That is why I asked Losangelesemt the questions.
BTW, I am not "brand loyal" to GM or any other manufacturer. I purchase what I decide is the best vehicle to meet my needs. I have owned 4 GM vehicles...my current GMC pickup which I am very happy with, 1 other GMC pickup, and 2 Suburbans. I have also owned vehicles from Plymouth, Jeep, Ford, Mercury, Chrysler, Toyota, Nissan, and VW. My children currently drive 2 Toyotas, 1 Honda, and a Ford pickup.
So please be careful when you imply that someone is PRO one manufacturer, or CON regarding another. I am PRESENTLY a satisfied GMC owner who is looking at all options for my next vehicle purchase whenever that might be. I am skeptical when anyone says "XYZ" brand does EVERYTHING best, OR worst.
Tom
BTW, I thought you swore off streetbikes??? And that Yamadog is kinda ugly IMO!
Yamadog is love it or hate it. I want to be loved for me!
Tom, just because the Tundra doesn't meet YOUR needs doesn't make it a bad truck. And yes, I believe Toyota has created a lot of anxiety in you folks. If it didn't, you guys wouldn't create such an uproar over a truck whose sales numbers are insignificant so far.
"3/4 ton pretty quick if they follow GMC's footsteps and simply put an Isuzu or some other manufacturer's engine in it, but then it wouldn't be a Toyota would it?"
"GMC can't say the same; they play "musical" engines in their trucks, alternating between their own and even Japanese engines in their quest to "get it right."
I gotta admit Houdini you make me laugh.
Now how about some facts:
The Duramax Diesel is produced at GM Powertrain in Moraine, Ohio. A plant that is jointly owned by GM and Isuzu. Yes the engine was jointly developed by GM and Isuzu. GM has a part ownership in Isuzu and partners with them in various projects. Why wouldn't GM use all of thier resources? Isuzu has a proven expertise in diesel engines and that is why they have been involved. For you to say that the Duramax is not a GM engine is just plain wrong.
GM's gasoline engines in the Sierra and Silverado are incredibly powerful and efficient. The 5.3 liter V8 has 285 hp and 325 ft/lbs torque while getting 16 mpg. That is in my opinion very impressive. Does your Toyota have something to rival this? This 5.3 is the engine that the vast majority of Sierra's and Siverado's have. Not enough power for ya? How about a 300 hp 6.0 liter? Need more? How about a 340 hp 8.1 liter with huge torque?
I also have to laugh at the way you think that GMC Sierra is a different vehicle from the Chevrolet Silverado. They are identical vehicles differing only in appearance. They are produced in the same plants and run down the same production lines.
I have compared the Toyota Tundra side by side with the Silverado and Sierra. And the shortcomings of the Tundra from a durability standpoint are laughable. It is a fine grocery getter, but it IS NOT a work truck, nor will it take the type of abuse that many people put thier trucks through. Look at the flimsy door handles, both inside and outside. Look at the thin gauge door hinges. Look at the the suspensions. Look at the thin gauge sheetmetal. The Toyota is a lightweight and will not hold up under heavy use. GM knows that thier trucks have a reputation for being tough, and if they skimp in these areas, the guys out there using them in a work environment will look elsewhere if they fail.
When big Bubba decides he wants to hang off that Toyota door while its open what do you think is going to happen to those flimsy little hinges and thin sheetmetal? Its going to fail, and thats why you won't see many Toyota's out on the work site, where trucks are put to the test. And don't hook too much of a load up to the hitch, cause the motor is lacking and so are the brakes.
I know these things because I work for GM Truck Engineering, where these GM products are developed. Thats right across the street from Pontiac East Assembly, one of the locations where Silverado and Sierra are assembled.
Yeah, your misinformation and BS annoys me. That Toyota is a cute little truck, just go easy on it and you shouldn't have any problem. I know not everyone is going to use thier truck up to its limits of strength and durability, but if you decide you want to the GM full size trucks will come through for you.
I'm not impressed with your GMC 5.3. It only makes 10 lb/ft more torque - and at a higher rpm -than Toyota's smaller 4.7. I know you'll never admit it, but it is RIDICULOUS GMC can't make an archaic pushrod V8 engine that runs right, ie KNOCK. Maybe it's time to enlist the help of Isuzu once again...
Funny you automatically assume I have a Toyota. I have a Ford PSD and from my point of view, all your rambling about the Tundra more accurately describes your precious GMC trucks - lightweight, troublesome "Fischer-Price" grocery getters.
YOU guys make ME laugh. Sometimes, you have to read between the lines to see the truth. Isn't it peculiar that only the GMC folks continually compare their trucks to Toyota? Doesn't this say they are too embarrased to compare with Ford or Dodge? I guess GMC won't even be a Big 3 contender anymore. Most likely, they'll be bumped by Toyota in the future and now you need a place to whine about it.
But go on, keep it up. The Ford, Dodge and even Toyota guys watch with amusement your having to compare to Toyota, the new kid on the block, to bolster your bruised ego.
Furthermore, if you don't like my "misinformation and BS" then why don't you simply leave this thread? Your posts have nothing to do with the topic.
I'll put the GM Trucks up against any other, bring it on pal. The Duramax diesel is a world class engine that has set the new standard for power, durability and low noise levels in diesel truck engines.
C'mon Houdini, you really don't know anything about this subject now do you? GM has got the most powerful, best selling trucks in the world. The Fords are in second place, though they are outdated, underpowered and technologically inferior, the Dodges look nice when they're new (they never have and will not hold up in the long haul), but neither is the equal of the GM products.
By the way I have a 5.3 in my truck, it doesn't knock, and I don't know anyone whose 5.3 does knock.
I think you need to grow up, just look at how angry and ridiculous you act when your misinformation is knocked down by fact. And if this thread is about Tundra's only, then why don't you stop talking smack about GM?
(Notice I said GM, not GMC. GMC is not a car/truckmaker, it is a brand)
If GM really was superior, why do you find Toyota so threatening? Why do you spend so much time and effort comparing everything to Toyota, whose sales numbers and product line-up are insignificant right now?
If GM really was superior, do you think your continual comparisons to Toyota, of all manufacturers, makes much sense?
Why don't the Ford and Dodge boys do the same? Do you think maybe they're a little more secure and don't feel the need to do so?
It's all very simple, really. If you don't like me talking smack about GM, quit talking smack about Toyota in Toyota threads. What a concept, huh?
Why do you call yourself Houdini? Because you say things that are nonsense and believe that they (presto!) magically become the truth?
Why do you call yourself qzs4vb? Who cares? Does a user's handle have anything to do with the content of their posts?
"I believe Toyota has created a lot of anxiety in you folks. If it didn't, you guys wouldn't create such an uproar over a truck whose sales numbers are insignificant so far."
People buy what meets their needs and desires of their own free will. The fact that Toyota has "insignificant" sales volume compared to GM or Ford, or Dodge, says everything about who has the superior product. IF Toyota was outselling the others you guys would be posting the figures every 15 minutes to show how superior your vehicles are.....LOL
Tom
And no your disagreement is not a problem with me. You're really not very smart are you? Do you need to resend my own message back to me? How about an original thought of your own? Bring on those facts pal. I'm anxiously waiting.
What is the real message being sent when people continually compare to the "loser?"
Draw your own conclusions, gentlemen.
I say let the product speak for itself.
Let's drop the disagreement over whose vehicle is "superior" and discuss and compare features, capabilities, components, problems, etc.
Let the public vote with their pocketbooks!
Tom
And no your disagreement is not a problem with me. You're really not very smart are you? Do you need to resend my own message back to me? How about an original thought of your own? Bring on those facts pal. I'm anxiously waiting.
Hey I talked to a few folks out your way the other day, and they cant wait to leave. Seems the place is too boring for them lol. Although they both have their sights set on this great city of angels here. The circus is only fun for so many years though, time for a change. Make sure YOU at least hang around that place, I don't wanna walk in and talk to Elway all alone. Maybe they'll take that GM off your hands and set ya up with one of dem foreign ones.
Cheers
You'll be glad you weren't there.
Another quote from the not so great houdini: "I say let the product speak for itself."
It does pal, thats why General Motors sells more full-size pick-up trucks than any other manufacturer. No re-read that real slow Houdini, I said General Motors, not GMC.
You say the Duramax is going to beat everything else, huh? Did Miss Cleo tell you that, LOL?! Fine, you're entitled to your opinion, no matter how irrational, but whose been offering real diesel trucks to the American public the last decade or so? Not GM. They tried, couldn't get it right then swallowed their pride and enlisted Isuzu's help. Maybe it's time for you to swallow your pride too.
I post facts, but you don't acknowldege them. Please tell me again how great your 5.3 is, making a whopping 10 lb/ft torque at a higher RPM than Toyota's 4.7. Better yet, compare your 4.8 to the Toyota and tell me how great it is. Still better yet, tell me how great the GM diesels were.
Here's a disturbing fact: It's obvious you have an irrational bias against "Japanese" trucks, yet your beloved Chevy Duramax diesel has its roots and underpinnings in Isuzu. How does that make any sense?
Basically, you have a disdain for Japanese products, unless they're being utilized in GM products, at which time you promptly do a 180 and think they're the greatest thing since sliced bread. Read this: WISHY-WASHY.
Oh, and I apologize for ruining your vacation with these disturbing thoughts, but to be honest, you kind of brought it out upon yourself...
Must I again repeat myself, I guess so. The Duramax Diesel is produced at GM Powertrain in Moraine, Ohio. A plant that is jointly owned by GM and Isuzu. Yes the engine was jointly developed by GM and Isuzu. GM has a part ownership in Isuzu and partners with them in various projects. Why wouldn't GM use all of thier resources? Isuzu has a proven expertise in diesel engines and that is why they have been involved. For you to say that the Duramax is not a GM engine is just plain wrong.
"You say the Duramax is going to beat everything else, huh?"
Thats not what I said, this is what I said:
"The Duramax diesel is a world class engine that has set the new standard for power, durability and low noise levels in diesel truck engines." That is fact, not my opinion. Check Wards automotive who recently put it in the Top Ten engines in the world. That by the way is a magazine highly respected in the automotive industry magazine.
"Basically, you have an irrational disdain for Japanese products, unless they're being utilized in GM products, at which time you promptly do a 180 and think they're the greatest thing since sliced bread. Read this: WISHY-WASHY."
You don't speaky zee english very well. Read slower and mouth the words. You seem to get everything twisted around.
And thanks for the last laugh, it was a good one.
Must I again repeat myself, I guess so. The Duramax Diesel is produced at GM Powertrain in Moraine, Ohio. A plant that is jointly owned by GM and Isuzu. Yes the engine was jointly developed by GM and Isuzu. GM has a part ownership in Isuzu and partners with them in various projects. Why wouldn't GM use all of thier resources? Isuzu has a proven expertise in diesel engines and that is why they have been involved. For you to say that the Duramax is not a GM engine is just plain wrong.
"You say the Duramax is going to beat everything else, huh?"
Thats not what I said, this is what I said:
"The Duramax diesel is a world class engine that has set the new standard for power, durability and low noise levels in diesel truck engines." That is fact, not my opinion. Check Wards automotive who recently put it in the Top Ten engines in the world. That by the way is a magazine highly respected in the automotive industry magazine.
"Basically, you have an irrational disdain for Japanese products, unless they're being utilized in GM products, at which time you promptly do a 180 and think they're the greatest thing since sliced bread. Read this: WISHY-WASHY."
You don't speaky zee english very well. Read slower and mouth the words. You seem to get everything twisted around.
And thanks for the last laugh, it was a good one.
Impressive, eh? Puts Miss Cleo to shame...
BTW, great double post!