Subaru Crew Problems & Solutions

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  • ubersuubersu Member Posts: 4
    So where is the Fuel pump fuse along with other relays and things electrical fuel pump orientated things that are likely to die and make my life a living hell? I must be looking right at the damn thing but apparently it likes to run and hide. I am just trying to narrow down my options on an issue I am having. Thanks. CARS ARE THE DEVIL.....ALL CARS......LOVE AND HATE........DOH!
  • subaruluvsubaruluv Member Posts: 2
    Our 98 Subaru Impreza started having all kinds of problems in July. My son let the gas get low enough to make the gas light come on and then the car wouldn't stay running. I had to get 5 gallons of gas for him. When he put it in, the car started and stayed on again. The spark plugs have been replaced, which helped a little, but it still has certain RPMs where it appears to be missing and I need to know if all this misfiring is going to ruin the engine. I'm a single parent on a small income and he's trying to pay for college in Florida. I told him he couldn't take the car in the fall when school started unless he got these problems fixed first. Does anyone know what those two codes mean, P0102 and P0103? When he starts the car the AT Oil Temp light comes on solid, then blinks, then goes off. The Check Engine Light stays on constantly. The car shakes horribly when it's turned on until it goes up to 1000rpms by itself - then it stops shaking for a couple seconds until it goes back down and then it shakes horribly again. When he drives it, he says it only misfires like that at certain RPMs.

    I'm honestly afraid for him to drive it that way around here much less from Southern Virginia to Daytona Beach, Florida, but he says it's ok. I'm working two part time jobs to make ends meet - we just don't have a lot of money to sink into the car. It was a gift from my sister when she got her new car. The dealer says there's a leak in the gasket (which you can smell when the engine gets hot) and the alternator belt has a bit of a crack in it. My son bought a bottle of fuel injector stuff to put in the tank, but we couldn't afford to fill the tank up all the way to use it (can you use a whole bottle of fuel line cleaner on only half a tank of gas?). He also put premium in the tank for some reason, thinking it would help the misfire problem, but I read in this forum that it might, in fact, make the problem worse. Should I wait until all the premium is gone before we put the fuel injector formula in with regular or finish filling up the tank with premium and dump it in the tank?

    We both love this car - it's the first semi-nice one we've had. He wants to take it to college so badly, but I can't help think that driving down 95 at 80 mph is going to exacerbate the problem and probably blow the engine with the gasket leaking oil the way it is already.

    BTW, we couldn't get the A/C fixed for two years because the dealer said we had to order some special computer part that cost $500, plus the labor to change it (required removal of the dash). Something to do with controlling the gates. Turns out my son, who has no mechanical experience, read about cleaning the round tube with little tiny wires in it with degreasing fluid on a forum and all of the sudden the air conditioning works perfectly. No $500 part needed. I'm feeling a little used...I guess it's good we could never afford to get it repaired. If someone could help me figure out the best way to work on trying to get all these things fixed (which MUST be done by dealer, which by other places) I'd greatly appreciate it.

    It's a 98 Impreza L Coupe 2.2 litre engine with auto transmission.
  • fibber2fibber2 Member Posts: 3,786
    I feel for you... sounds like you are having a rough time. I can answer a few questions, maybe others can offer some useful input.

    It is possible that you sucked up some sludge from the bottom of the tank when the fuel ran low. There are also some evaporative emissions components that can also act up when the fuel level drops that low. The fuel injector cleaner might help, and yes, I have used it with a partial tank. The instructions usually say to mix with xx gallons of fuel, so simply add only say 1/2 or 2/3 of the bottle to a half full tank, then the balance when you get more fuel. Premium will do no harm. Often they have a sightly better detergent additive package, so could actually help. You might consider replacing the fuel filter (a $20 part) located right near the brake booster, when you can.

    The Check Engine codes of P0102/0103 refer to the mass airflow sensor performance. This is located on top of the engine where the airfilter plastic ductwork attaches. It is sort of the modern replacement for the carburetor - determining how much fuel in relation to the amount of air entering the engine. Problems here probably account for the shaking (rough idle) and surges in engine speed. But more troubleshooting is needed, and these parts can get expensive.

    I am lost on the A/C issue, but I guess if it is now working, we need not dwell on it! Pulling the dash to work on 'controlling the gates' probably refers to either the evaporator expansion valve, or the actual air box doors. I am guessing that 'round tube with tiny wires' is either the condensor or evaporator? Still not sure what a degreaser would do here, but hey, go with it....

    Other leaks and belts really depend on how bad is bad - you need to find someone local you trust to look at these, plus the idle situation.

    Steve
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    I would change the fuel filter ASAP. And every time before you start it, pre-pressurize the fuel pump by turning the key to the On position and listening for that "whirr".

    -juice
  • littlebirdlittlebird Member Posts: 1
    Two weeks ago the check engine light came on. I went to Autozone and was told that it was the knock sensor. Autozone did something and the light went out. The next day it came on again. After I turn off the engine three times, the check engine light goes out. It will come on again after driving the car for 3 or 4 miles. This cycle has repeated itself just about every day. I used two tanks of higher octane gas over the weekend. The light went out again and stayed out longer after the light went out. I made sure the gas cap was tightened. Do I need to replace the sensor? Or is there another problem? Can I replace the sensor myself? Will the car pass inspection with this problem? I have 75,000 miles on the car. I have never had any problems with the car until now. Does the fact that the check engine light is being reset after turning the car off three times tell me anything specific about the problem?
  • fibber2fibber2 Member Posts: 3,786
    Answers in order: Probably / maybe / yes / no / yes

    They probably reported to you that the code was P0327 / P0328 (knock sensor voltage low / high), then cleared the code, turning off the light. But it sounds like a low level, intermittant problem, so it periodically returns. OBDII is set up such that the CEL/MIL light will turn off at the beginning of the 4th drive cycle for intermittant problems. But it sounds like it keeps reoccuring, so the light returns. Problem is, however, that the incident is stored in memory for 40 cycles, so no, you will not pass inspection if they connect and read it out.

    Higher octane fuel reduces the tendency to knock, so you 'fly under the radar' of the computers watchful eye for a longer period of time.

    So probably, you do need a knock sensor. But computers can be fooled, so there is always the maybe that the problem could be in the wiring harness, or other system signal that bleeds into this input path.

    It looks a little tricky to get at (tucked under the intake manifold towards the rear of the engine on the drives side), but yes, you should be able to do it yourself. One bolt holding the black ring down, one wire, if I remember correctly.

    As I said, no, it is unlikely that you will pass inspection if it is reoccuring this frequently. And yes, it sounds like a somewhat soft, but persistant problem - it is certainly not a constant, continuous failure.

    Steve
  • ontheroad6ontheroad6 Member Posts: 3
    When I was hand washing my Subaru Forester 2005, I discovered the passenger door lower panel is abraded along the edge nearest the driver's door. Running my fingers along the edge revealed the plastic feels and looks "chewed". Location is on the left leading edge of the lower panel. The panel on both driver and passenger sides is similarly abraded. Guessing it is a design flaw that is causing road debris to fly up and hit that narrow area. Not looking forward to how it will effect the resale value in a few years.

    Wondering if anyone else's 2005 Forester has the same damage.

    BTW, I did show the damage to the service manager at Wentworth Subaru (Portland, OR). She took photos of the problem and said she would send the report somewhere.
    Trish
  • kdshapirokdshapiro Member Posts: 5,751
    Are mud flaps installed on your Forester?
  • treestrees Member Posts: 1
    99 Subaru Impreza
    83,000 miles

    Symptoms...

    1) Check Engine Light came on
    2) Car lagged when starting up in the morning, would take about a block to get up and drive right
    3) Took it to my mechanic and diagnosistic was for the Knock Sensor

    Attempted Solution...

    1) Knock sensor replaced
    2) Mechanic noticed a wire that was not connected to the knock sensor so he replaced it
    3) Car drove worse and then appeared to go into a safety default.
    4) Mechanic has had the car for 2 weeks. Finally gave up today and told me to take it to the Subaru dealer. He thinks the computer is messed up.

    I have an appointment with the dealer for next week.

    Any thoughts about this???
  • lfdallfdal Member Posts: 679
    Well, its summer again and every time the engine gets hot and the temperature gets above 80 deg F the car reeks of antifreeze. :confuse:

    Same symptoms as last year - add some antifreeze every so often, never much, probably a pint a year. Nothing on the ground. Just smells to high heaven. I had it on ramps and took off the undershield. The only think I can see is some whitish residue on the bottom radiator hose clamp, but no seepage. Can't tell if the residue is normal corrosion or not.

    Its annoying, but not the end of the world. The smell does seem to be localized to the driver's side front of the engine. The system has been pressure tested by the dealer, so they said, with no problem found.

    All ideas welcome. So far, I'm considering just changing the bottom hose and clamp myself. Just need to be real careful as there are lots of cats / dogs in the neighborhood, so I need to make sure I recover all the coolant that comes out.

    TIA

    Larry
  • lfdallfdal Member Posts: 679
    Just changed the fuel filter in my XT and had a miserable time getting the hoses off. I had previously used an OEM filter, which is plain metal. Was wondering if the hoses would stick as bad to the aftermarket filter, which looks to be painted black?

    I know when I changed the filters in the OBW and the XT for the first time, I didn't have any trouble with the hoses.

    Any thoughts?

    Larry
  • jashlndjashlnd Member Posts: 2
    Today I had to start up my 2005 OBXT MT on a steep hill. The clutch slipped badly and so, not believing what was happening, I tried again. It again slipped badly and as I kept the power on, it very slowly took hold and started up the hill accompanied by a lot of smoke and a strong, unpleasant chemical burning smell that filled the cabin and stuck to my clothes after I got home.

    From the very start with this car (it now has 2400 miles on it) it has given off an unpleasant smell if the clutch is slipped the least bit. I've always used the clutch very carefully and the car has in no way been abused.

    I'm mystified by this and surprised not to have found complaints on Edmunds Subaru forums, other than yours.

    Does anyone know of this problem? Obviously I'm going to contact the dealer tomorrow but I'm wondering if it's a know problem and/or whether there is a TSB out on it.

    Thanks,
  • rlewis38rlewis38 Member Posts: 1
    I have both Charging and Brake indicators on intermittently. Came on when I started the car to go home and stayed on even turning off and on the engine. The next day they were off, then on again last night, then off this morning. I isolated the parking brake and brake fluid level so they are definately not the problem. Tracing the wiring diagrams it appears that line one (middle wire) on the alternator is common to both circuits. Car is running and battery is not discharging so it appears the alternator is working fine. I am guessing but it seems my alternator is on it's way out. Anybody else have an idea. Thanks, Ray
  • moosejawmoosejaw Member Posts: 10
    I'm having an odd problem with my 2002 Outback Sport. Both the parking lights and tail lights stay on even after I remove the key from the ignition. The only way I can get them to turn off is to either pull the fuse (the fuse is not blown) or to disconnect the battery terminal. This way the battery dosen't drain over night.

    Once I replace the fuse or reconnect the battery the lights are on regardless of fact that I have the light switch in the off position.

    Has anyone run into this?
  • njswamplandsnjswamplands Member Posts: 1,760
    this happened to me also. subaru autos have a 'always on' parking switch i believe on top of the steering wheel housing. just flip it and your kewl.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    I have to twist and pull, back and forth, to get the hoses off the fuel filteres. I've changed mine twice and my wife's Legacy once.

    Be happy it's not like the Miata, though. That filter is on the under side, it's hard to get to and you tend to get fuel spilled in your face.

    -juice
  • fibber2fibber2 Member Posts: 3,786
    Ray,

    Help us out a little by telling the model and year? There was a recall, IIRC, on some late '90's models for an alternator problem.

    Steve
  • nuknuknuknuk Member Posts: 7
    :confuse:
    I have a 2001 Subaru Forester with 67900 miles.
    I've been noticing for the past week a strange noise coming from the back of the car. I don't know how to describe it, but it occurs pretty regularly and only for 30 seconds or so at a time. There's no apparent pattern as to how I'm driving it, affecting whether the noise is there or not.
    Anyone have any idea what this could be?
  • fibber2fibber2 Member Posts: 3,786
    or as it is now more properly called, the Air/Fuel Sensor. '02 OBW w/32k miles. I got tired of the poor drivability, and occasional CEL coming on. I read it out, and consistantly got P0130 (O2 sensor), and P0170 (lean mixture).

    I was a bit disappointed that a Stellar Dealer would not provide loaner cars to Gold customers, but they did at least provide transportation to and from work. The 'retail' cost of the diagnosis and part was around $400, so I am half way to break even on the cost of the extended warranty.

    Steve
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Usually back there I tend to suspect bearings, but the noise is usually consistent and varies in pitch with speed.

    Change the rear diffy fluid to see if that quiets things, it's easy, one quart of 75w90 gear oil and just two bolts. Make sure you remove the top one first.

    -juice
  • nuknuknuknuk Member Posts: 7
    thanks.
    Is this an urgent problem to fix? I'm one of those crazy drivers that put about 30,000 miles a year.
    I just got the 67,500 maintenance done on the car, they didn't catch anything. I wonder if my warrantee will pick up the bill for the work, what do you think? running a little low on cash at the moment
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    It's not a hard job to do. Get a 1/2" driver and remove two bolts. Drain. Replace lower bolt, add a quart of gear oil, replace upper bolt. You can do it in about 15 minutes. Easier than an oil change.

    -juice
  • nuknuknuknuk Member Posts: 7
    what if this is a bearing problem?
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    My point was this will cost you about $3 for the oil. Well, you might need to buy a $7 hand-held oil pump, but it's the cheapest thing to try to fix first.

    If it's a bearing you're out $10. :)

    -juice
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    http://www.miata.net/garage/trans/14.htm

    It's for a Miata but it's almost exactly the same on a Subaru. I did it myself for the first time using these tips and it was a piece of cake.

    Check if you have metal shavings to tell you the condition of the rear diff. If you get shavings and/or the oil is empty it's probably damaged.

    -juice
  • moosejawmoosejaw Member Posts: 10
    Geez, that's embarassing....

    My thanks to you, Swampy. I knew I was over thinking this.
  • njswamplandsnjswamplands Member Posts: 1,760
    that parking lite problem got me also, so do not be too embarrassed :P
  • sonja2sonja2 Member Posts: 6
    I've been taking my 2004 Forrester to Wal-mart for my oil changes but they just told me that they no longer stock the oil filter for Forresters so they won't continue changing the oil for me. (It was so convenient to just have Wal-mart change the oil while I did my shopping.) The dealer here charges $29 to change the oil and I've heard it takes a long wait - what a pain! I used to change oil in another car I used to own ten years ago and am considering trying to change the oil in my Suburu. I'd appreciate your thoughts on tips for changing the oil myself. What mistakes should I avoid? What oil should I use? (I'm considering Pennzoil 5w30)? Whiich oil filter? The local Subaru dealer charges $6.60 for a genuine Subaru filter which sounds good. How tight should I put the new filter on? (Should I use anything other than my hands to tighten it?) Or should I just go to a different Wal-mart or somewhere else? Thanks in advance for your comments. :-)
  • sonja2sonja2 Member Posts: 6
    I'm wondering if I should just cave in and take the car to the dealer for oil changes so maybe they'll spot small problems before they become major problems? Or is that asking to be taken to the cleaners?
  • joeb24joeb24 Member Posts: 111
    I test drove a 2006 Forester 2.5i and a 2005 Outback LL Bean H3.0 today. The Forester seemed sluggish off the line compared to the Outback. I do not want to go the Turbo route in the Forester because Premium fuel is required. I understand that on the Outback H3.0, Premium is recommended, but not required. So, I can use 89 or 87 octane gas with the H3.0, right? Will using a lower octane gas in the H3.0 harm the engine? What will I lose in terms of performance?
  • paulcudlippaulcudlip Member Posts: 33
    I have always pruchased Toyota products which have been very reliable and problem free. I am considering a Subaru Impreza Sedan or a Toyota Matrix XS. How reliable is the Impreza as Consumer Reports Magazine gives it an average rating and JD Powers gives it two out of 5 stars from you owners.

    I live in the Northeast and currently drive a 2003 RAV 4 L on lease which expires in December. With gas prices going up, I want something with better miles per gallon than the 24 I am averaging with the RAV 4.

    What do owners truly average in the Impreza mpg?
  • jfljfl Member Posts: 1,399
    Try a Yahoo search for "Subaru mods + oil change".

    Scooby has instructions and pix. Subaru oil filters are made by Purolator mylocal Pepboys carries it. Or you can buy on-line. I use 1stsubaruparts.com

    Jim
  • jfljfl Member Posts: 1,399
    Look here on Edmunds:

    Subaru Crew: MPG-Real World Numbers

    Jim

    Sorry, I couldn't get it to paste as a link.
  • fibber2fibber2 Member Posts: 3,786
    Paul,

    Like you, I am a long time Toyota buyer living in the NE. 4 years ago I changed brands, purchasing an Outback wagon for it's AWD capability, and because Toyota abandoned the conventional wagon market in favor of SUVs (Matrix introduced later). While my ownership experience has been great overall, I would have to still give a slight nod to Toyota for reliability, but fun to drive / control to Subaru. You won't go too far wrong with either product.

    Steve
  • damish003damish003 Member Posts: 303
    I own two Impreza's, an 04 OBS and an 05 RS wagon. Here in NW Pennsylvania, they average 23-24 in the winter months and 27-28 in the summer months. Sometimes I get slightly better than that. Neither car has ever left me stranded...highly reliable in my book.

    -Dan-
  • robotb9robotb9 Member Posts: 82
    I think my 1996 OBW may need AWD clutch pack surgery, given what I've read here on the forums about binding during turns. How much is that likely to cost? Should I take it to a Subaru dealer, or is this something an independent might do for less?
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    sonja2: I find it hard to believe that WalMart can't find a filter that will fit. They sell 3-4 types of filters and must have an application. I'd investigate further. Maybe they don't want to keep taking that plastic cover on and off for the low cost they charge?

    joeb24: for the H6 premium is just recommended. I'd guess you'll give up maybe 5hp or so, and make 245hp, which is still plenty.

    '96 is way out of warranty, so I'd shop around for price, just ask if they use OE parts.

    -juice
  • robotb9robotb9 Member Posts: 82
    Just trying to get a rough idea of what AWD clutch pack replacement might cost -- over or under $1000?
  • locke2clocke2c Member Posts: 5,038
    the automatic tranny's clutch pack will probably never fail in 100k-200k miles of use. I have never heard of one failing in that time.

    the manual transmission's viscous coupler will lose effectiveness somewhere in that realm of (very) high mileage but it probably won't seize, making replacement more of a 'should' than a 'must'. around $1000 is probably about right if you bought a new part and had it installed at a dealer.

    if you bought a used one from a salvage yard and installed it yourself, I'd say under $250 is easily within reach.

    ~Colin
  • pamela3pamela3 Member Posts: 5
    Engine pinging...using regular gas...tried different brands as suggested by dealership...went to middle grade & premium...premium stopped the pinging but shouldn't have to use that...calls for the regular. Also back brakes howling...dealer cleaned/adjusted...good for a day and then noise returned...any suggestions?
  • cz75cz75 Member Posts: 210
    I've been cruising around the net, looking at subaru boards, thinking about a WRX and keep seeing issues about transmission problems like broken gears, bad MT synchros, clutch judder (mentioned by Road & Track, subject of TSB), lousy paint (mentioned by Road & Track), easy to dent body panels, incl. Al hood.

    I'm aware of subaru making stronger, wider width gears since 2003, but the synchros are the main issues for me besides lousy paint, as both would be quite expensive to fix and should be more durable than they are. I've traced some of the tranny problems down to the fact that the manual transmission has only weaker single cone synchros and was originally designed 30 years ago.

    To this end, who has a lot of mileage on a newer turbo subaru w/ manual tranny and what kind of repairs were needed?

    What about the chintzy body panels and poor paint quality issues - who's experienced these?
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Re-torque the lug nuts, I bet they are over-tightened. Scuff the pads again and see if the noise stops. My brakes have 76k miles and they never made noise, knock on wood. Original pads, too.

    For the pinging I would consider a throttle-body service. Our 626 was down on power and even hesitating, and that service cleared it right up.

    robotb9: try this place:

    http://www.fsautoparts.com/

    -juice
  • sonja2sonja2 Member Posts: 6
    Ateixeira, they showed me the "book" indicating that they have the filter for the Forrester for every year except 2004. Was the plastic cover appear only on the 2004 models?
  • kermitsubkermitsub Member Posts: 2
    I've been hearing a high pitched squeel from my front brakes when I initially touch the brakes, the harder I push, it goes away, but 10ft before I stop a weird grinding sound until I completely stop, like a rock stuck under the pad. Are my pads wearing out, or is it just a rock or something stuck?

    If it's replacing the pads, how much work is that going to be to do on my own?
  • once_for_allonce_for_all Member Posts: 1,640
    you have trouble. One or more of the pads are fully gone. Get into a brake shop ASAP, or you may be buying rotors too. The squeal is the warning tab, the grind is the backing plate for the brake pad.

    John
  • tomz1tomz1 Member Posts: 5
    read your post to noise in rear....you suggested a bearing...how would the average guy test to determine if it is a bearing?....and how difficult a job to do a rear bearing on a subaru?....i have done fronts on other cars...thanx
  • kermitsubkermitsub Member Posts: 2
    OK, discs need replaced, how difficult is that job, could I do it by myself? If so, instructions??
  • once_for_allonce_for_all Member Posts: 1,640
    piece of cake. I haven't had to do the Forester yet. But most of them have one upper bolt to remove, one lower bolt to loosen, and the whole caliper rotates up on the lower bolt. Pull the pads out once you have clearance.

    You may need a 6" C clamp to push the pistons back in for clearance. I usually do this using the old pad so I don't scar the new one.

    Also, keep an eye on the brake fluid level so you don't overtop the reservoir. You may need to bleed some off (do this after you install the first side and always with the caliper and new pads on the rotor.)

    I suggest that you ask someone in the know to look over your shoulder. Also, get a manual for your car so that any Subie specific issues are clearer --for example, how to adjust the hillholder if you have a manual tranny).

    If you have any scoring on the rotor, I suggest that you purchase new rotors (you will need to do matching on the same axles).

    Some like to resurface the rotors every time (esp. brake shops), some will do new pads only. I have done both. Resurfacing gives you better performance and longevity on the new pads. But, it can encourage warped rotors too.

    HTH, John
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    I'd have your mechanic inspect this. I believe they can check that on a lift. Haven't done this myself - the dealer fixed our Mazda 626, but your symptoms just sounded familiar.

    Cover - my '98 had that cover. Weird about the '04 filter. They did change, but I'd expect them to stock it. You could just bring your own and still have them do it, maybe for a couple bucks less since you're providing some of the materials?

    -juice
  • amsbearamsbear Member Posts: 147
    If I remember correctly, someone here mentioned using compressed air instead of a pump to refill the AT and rear differential. I think it was Steve (Fibber2) but I can't find the post since it was probably well over a year ago that this was discussed.

    Does anyone have the details on this (tubes, fittings, psi recommendations.....)?

    This is one of my tasks for my week off next week and I though I'd give this technique a try.

    Thanks,

    Alan
    98 OBW Ltd
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