Subaru Crew Problems & Solutions

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  • nygregnygreg Member Posts: 1,936
    the F-16 is one of the only aircraft with a thrust to weight ratio of >1! Nice looking too.

    Hmmm, a WRX-16.

    Greg
  • subearusubearu Member Posts: 3,613
    I'll be 15 minutes late. The car just core dumped and it's mounting the filesystem as we speak....

    -Brian
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    On 2nd thought, honey, I'll pass by the house in seconds. If only the brakes were good enough to stop me!

    -juice
  • vincer2vincer2 Member Posts: 97
    Its all about weight reduction, cost reduction and labor reduction for assembly. Previous post (2 to 3 months back) I referenced an "Automotive News" article that indicated by wire features were driving the push to 42 volt systems that will begin to appear in 2-3 years.

    Rear wheel steer by wire will be introduced by GM on its large pickups in 2004. Other by wire features are already present in limited places. Most predominant is gas pedal by wire. I can't recall other details from the article but brake by wire and steer by wire will begin to appear rather soon, if not already.

    Steer by wire will probably have driver adjustments to alter the feel. Brake by wire will be implemented to mimic the feel of hydraulic brakes. Not as sophisticated but same reasoning behind fly by wire airliners that mimic hydraulic
    stick feedback to the pilot.

    May still be time to cast your vote to the automakers for your OS preference: Windows or UNIX or LINUX.

    Personally I'm currently not ready to move away from "by hydraulic" technology for the near future.

    Vince
  • hypovhypov Member Posts: 3,068
    drive by wire.
    Can't say I'll be really comfortable with that too.

    How many crashes will you get when the "Brake by wire" fails? 8-{

    -Dave
  • locke2clocke2c Member Posts: 5,038
    Dave-- none. Nearly none, at least... unless you're a liability lawyer. Steering is far more important.

    -Colin
  • fibber2fibber2 Member Posts: 3,786
    I have worked in semiconductor device reliability and failure analysis for way too many years to want to trust all of my car's mechanical functions to pure electronics. There are few environments worse than automotive (basically aerospace) from a standpoint of temp excursions, vibration, humidity changes, etc. Dealing with hard fails in this business is tough enough. Soft, or condition dependent failures can drive a technologist to drink.

    For those who might say 'but fighter jets use it', be reminded that there is a big difference in the reliability testing, source inspection during fabrication, etc. that man-dependent aerospace grade chips get, as opposed to commercial grade. And fighters do crash anyhow, and military avionics electronics have sometimes been the cause. Pick up a copy of 'Aviation Week and Space Technology' for some of their root-cause analysis of crashes.

    The auto industry also lacks the service infrastructure to deal with the electronics revolution. The control systems for ECT transmissions leave most service techs with blank stares. The aerospace industry sinks 10s of thousands of $$$ per person into training to keep the birds flying.

    And now a story: I was an young engr working for a Dallas based semiconductor company in the '70's when a US automaker met with us to negotiate specs and price on 8-bit uP's for an engine EEC system. Price was #1. Reliability? Early failure rate was back calculated by one of our guys to basically get them thru the then common 12/12 warranty before becoming a major issue. Long term reliability? Not a concern. Our management was smart enough to show them the door!

    Steve
  • luck11luck11 Member Posts: 425
    Well, I began noticing a burning rubber smell on my 00 Outback several weeks ago, coming from driver side rear. Brought into the dealer and they discovered a leak in the valve cover. Oil was dripping slowly on the hot manifold, thus causing the odor. Not sure this is the culprit....burning oil smells diff than burning rubber doesn't it? I checked the undercarraige for debris but could not find any. Anyway, they removed the valve cover and discovered there was another seal that was causing the problem inside (not sure what it was). They kept my car overnight because the part was not in stock (BTW...gave me a PT Cruiser rental from Discount.....uhhh, thanks, but get me my Sube back!!) Anyway, I still smell a burning rubber smell, but it is less intense. I'll give it a week and see.

    I also mentioned a noise that sounded to me like a tire noise, almost as if one of the tires was out of round or had a broken belt. the sound seemed to accelerate with the speed of the vehicle. They used a stethescope (sp?) and found that my rear bearing was beginning to show "sounds" of failure. I was further told by the Service mngr that this is common with Subes. In fact, my dealer does not use OEM bearings when replacing. So far, non of the replacements have come back. Anyone heard of this with subes? They said I could wait until next service to have it replace under warranty.

    BTW...they're calling for +8 degrees celcius next week up here in eastern Ontario!!! Normals are high of -6, low of -16!!! We are supposed to get rain tonight, over the weekend and into early next week. What the heck is going on with this weather??
  • armac13armac13 Member Posts: 1,129
    You can now say you live in Vancouver East. :-)

    Ross
  • cptpltcptplt Member Posts: 1,075
    with over 300K miles and 3 Legacies I have never had a bearing problem,
    oil leaks, minor electrical stuff yes but bearings, transmission, differentials - no
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    Common problem on 80s and 90s subies. They were often over-torqued at the factory and led to pre-mature failure. Then the repair shops would also over torque them and it would keep failing. Make sure they torque it properly.

    -mike
  • locke2clocke2c Member Posts: 5,038
    actually improper replacement was more often the culprit. failure to identify hubs in need of replacement also is a factor.

    then again, Subaru changed the spec a few times and finally put much better needle bearings in the 2002 Impreza. hmm.

    -Colin
  • ykishimotoykishimoto Member Posts: 12
    The regional rep. and a technician took the vehicle out for a test run. They told me the source of the noise is piston pin and piston. The rep. informed me that the engine will be replaced by a new one. I will inform you the outcome. Yuki.
  • hondafriekhondafriek Member Posts: 2,984
    Glad to hear that your problem is being taken care of defintely keep us informed of the outcome,

    It is unusal to hear of piston slat in the phase11 engine the phase1 did have problems in that area but subaru were supposed have it sorted out in the phase 11,

    Cheers Pat.
  • armac13armac13 Member Posts: 1,129
    Phase 11? What happened to phase 3-10? Sorry, I'm having a bad day marking exams and couldn't resist. Mea culpa.

    Ross
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Vince: you forgot Mac OS.

    Yep, I've heard of a few wheel bearing failures. In fact, our 626 just had that problem, so I can offer an opinion on how it sounds. Ours went "thunk thunk thunk" and sort of changed pitch with speed. It was speed related, but not engine rev related, because the same noise occured in neutral. The hub and bearing cost $820, ouch, but it's a Mazda, not a Subie.

    Yuki: keep us posted. Ken had the same service and now has 66k miles or so on it.

    -juice
  • peppy4peppy4 Member Posts: 1
    Anyone have engine pinging problem?
  • hondafriekhondafriek Member Posts: 2,984
    Mea Culpa accepted.

    Cheers Pat.
  • locke2clocke2c Member Posts: 5,038
    peppy-- automatic transmission or manual?

    when do you observe pinging?

    -Colin
  • vincer2vincer2 Member Posts: 97
    peppy:
    engine pinging is a topic that has received much attention in the past. Subaru has a fix for the problem if your pinging fits the profile that the fix corrected. Corrective action is to load revised engine management software on the ecm (computer). Computer needs to be sent to SoA in NJ for the sw upgrade. If service dept is not aware of the fix have them contact Subara of America.

    juice:
    Don't know how I overlooked MAC OS especially since its probably the most reliable one.

    vince
  • kenskens Member Posts: 5,869
    Yuki,

    That's good to hear that Subaru is taking action on it. Are they replacing the entire block and pistons or just the pistons themselves.

    In my case, it was just the pistons. The fix pretty much got rid of my piston slap.

    Ken
  • jfljfl Member Posts: 1,398
    A nearby dealer (in Oakland, CA) just sent a flyer w/ coupons. In addition to the usual service specials, it had genuine Subaru oil filters $3.95, air filters $10.95, and 20% off on Saturday parts purchases! Just in time for my tweeters. Hope they sell individual owner's manuals.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    20% is good. I usually see 10% coupons.

    The oil filter price is cheap, stock up. I got lucky, though. Target stopped carrying Car & Driver oil filters, so they cleared them out. I got a dozen for 40 cents each!

    They are made by Champion Labs and did well in that oil filter study that circulated a while back.

    -juice
  • ykishimotoykishimoto Member Posts: 12
    Ken

    Subaru rep. said "a new engine". I may be wrong but I assume an engine assy. without other components, such as alternator, water pump and so on. I will let you know when the work is completed. Yuki.
  • moonsagemoonsage Member Posts: 19
    I'm ready for my pre-3000 mile oil change, and I'm near Oakland too.....Is this a coupon only special and can I pick up coupons somewhere?
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    Ok I had the XT6 MT out yesterday. So far from people who have sat in it and heard the noise it makes at idle, they say a throw-out bearing. I took it around the block ,and it seemed to be slipping when I pushed it above 4K rpms in 4th gear. Here is my question for this group. Does that mean: Clutch? Throw-out Bearing? Adjustment?(Its a manual clutch, not hydrolic) or the worst, a bad 4th gear? Thanks in advance.

    -mike
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    If the revs slip higher than they should while in gear, my guess is clutch.

    I had a Datsun lose it's clutch on me, and in 1st gear climbing a hill you could hear the engine rev faster without the car gaining any speed.

    Oddly, it didn't slip much from a standing start. Only under heavy loads (weight or hills) would that happen).

    -juice
  • mrdetailermrdetailer Member Posts: 1,118
    Since you have replaced the seals now,I would recommend using a hydrocracked oil like Valvoline MaxLife, or Quaker State High Mileage Oils. These have been proven to reduce oil consumption, have better cold weather starting, anti-sludging capabilities similar to synthetic, and it has been proven to condition and preserve engine seals.
  • locke2clocke2c Member Posts: 5,038
    mike,

    unfortunately it's a variety of problems. well, not that it's a big deal since clutch labor is enough that most sane people replace everything when they go in there. you wouldn't find anyone but a greasemonkey DIYer tearing things apart for a chattering releasing bearing and leaving the rest of the clutch be.

    anyway, the chattering at idle is the release bearing. slipping under power is a glazed or worn clutch disc, which is usually caused by a fatigued clutch cover (aka pressure plate).

    if you intend to get parts and do the work yourself or have a trusted indy put it in (they'd probably want to sell you the parts, but just in case) you want a new release bearing, pilot bearing, any clips, clutch disc and pressure plate. if you buy an aftermarket clutch and pressure plate you won't get the bearings and clips.

    -Colin
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    Yeah my buddy is an ex-race car mechanic who sells subies now. He helped me do my air-non air suspension conversion on the AT XT6. He's gonna help me do the clutch, pressure plate, and the bearings. Any suggestions for upgraded pressure plates/clutches? I figure might as well get a beefy one while we are in there.

    -mike
  • locke2clocke2c Member Posts: 5,038
    I would talke to Paul Eklund at primitive enterprises. www.get-primitive.com

    I believe you basically have the same 5spd as what's under my RS, but since you've got a cable operated clutch things might be a touch different. talk to him to be sure.

    anyway, Paul sells ACT and ClutchNet bits. he'll hook you up and no, you don't need the ClutchNet copper 4 puck. ;)

    -Colin
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    My friend Mike (Bugbomb on i Club) has the ACT and loves it. $400 rings a bell, parts only (his brother is a Subaru mechanic).

    -juice
  • locke2clocke2c Member Posts: 5,038
    the ACT street is actually only an ACT pressure plate. the disc is stock. of course a stock clutch adds up to about that...

    oh yeah Mike, you'll also want a clutch alignment tool. you can buy a plastic one at PepBoys.
    they sell the real thing (metal) at spx-kentmoore but why pay that kind of cash... the plastic one is like $5.

    -Colin
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    Is that the type of thing a mechanic would have? My buddy probably has one if it's universal. He's done this kind of thing before :)

    As the time gets closer to replacement, I'll definitely poll you guys as to which clutch/pressure plate I should get.

    -mike
  • kenskens Member Posts: 5,869
    Speaking of aftermarket clutches, I've read about several i-clubbers damaging their transmissions due to beefier pressure plates. Apparently, the pressure plates clamp down so hard that the there is no more "give" in the tranny. Of course, this isn't a problem if you don't regularly do drop-clutch starts.

    Ken
  • subearusubearu Member Posts: 3,613
    the real problem is the drop-clutch starts, not the beefier pressure plates. ;-)

    -Brian
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    I don't think I'll be doing those. It will be used for auto-x and time trials/track events. None of which invlove high RPM clutch drops IIRC. :)

    -mike
  • locke2clocke2c Member Posts: 5,038
    ...or brutal shifts, especially 1-2.

    very few production AWD gearboxes are solid enough to survive repeated abuse, thus they all (pretty much) get a relatively forgiving clutch to try and keep the gears intact.

    it's definitely true in subaru's case as the 5MT is the same basic unit that debuted behind a 110HP 1.8 turbo EA82. the six speed finally addressed the issue with a bigger case and bigger gears.

    -Colin
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    Although It's lucky that it only has to put up with 145hp/156torque of the XT6 engine. From what I hear in the XT6 circles, the tranny isn't an issue as far as longevity. I was going to do the clutch/pressureplate/bearings before auto-xing it anyway, so this isn't a big issue, I was worried it was something else like a while tranny in which case I'd be screwed! On a good note, the rear shocks decided to pump up in the warm weather, so I'm hoping that is a trend, then at least I won't need to change them out til maybe next fall/winter.

    -mike
  • miksmimiksmi Member Posts: 1,246
    5MT is the same basic unit that debuted behind a 110HP 1.8 turbo EA82.

    Colin, I am constantly amazed at the depth of your mechanical knowledge. Where do you enearth these gems? Is it "just" reading a lot of i-club, STi mlist? A secret Subaru book? Whatever your source, I'm grateful.

    ..Mike

    ..Mike

  • locke2clocke2c Member Posts: 5,038
    I read a lot, print and on the web. I remember most of it.

    That's the whole secret. ;)

    -Colin
  • locke2clocke2c Member Posts: 5,038
    I've been putting it off for so long because, we've had no ice or snow to speak of. But they're forecasting some tomorrow so I was forced into action.

    I left my autocross alignment in a little too long this summer and prematurely wore the insides of both front summer tires pretty hard, the right moreso. (camber was even, I must have had toe issues.) anyway, I dialed the excess camber out around October and hoped that my tires would hold until Spring, expecting that I would have been on winter tires long ago.

    I should've rotated them in October, because that bad tire is now corded! Oh well, like I said I intend to replace them and overall got great use from them... almost 20k miles, more than two summers.

    I better take the car in for an alignment, I don't want to thrash the winter tires like that.

    Oh and I also burped my coolant again. I'd noticed that it was getting a little warm idling a long time in traffic the other day, and sure enough there were numerous air bubbles when I ran it with no radiator cap for about 20 minutes.

    -Colin
  • mortpeaberrymortpeaberry Member Posts: 69
    "Rear wheel steer by wire will be introduced by GM on its large pickups in 2004" Ive talked to fire fighters here who have the all wheel steer on fire apparati. They have to be VERY careful, as the overhang on the back swings around, it is easy to start taking out vehicles, trees, buildings etc. with the bumper (back step). Makes you think about weekend yahoos with their large jacked up GM pick ups. "Hard hats required beyond this point"
    Steve-V
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    Big tour busses (with 2 axles in the rear) also have active steering in the rear, and they swing around pretty far. I'm sure that the one they intro on the pickup will be less active than the ones on the busses/fire trucks.

    -mike
  • vincer2vincer2 Member Posts: 97
    mike,
    rear wheel steering on large busses can be turned off with the flick of a switch. Useful when pulling away from a curb to prevent the backend from riding up onto the curb. I don't believe GM pickups will have that capability but like you said the rear steering probably won't be as active.
    vince
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    Yep I think it's called the tag lock switch. My Xpress bus driver was explaining it to me one day when he had em locked out cause of the rain.

    -mike
  • kate5000kate5000 Member Posts: 1,271
    I think the poster referred to the Oakland Downtown Subaru dealership. They usually send coupons to those who purchased a car from them in the past, but you may try negotiation a "coupon" deal with service dept directly.

    I personally was not very happy with their service in 1993-1994, but heard they've improved since then.

    I prefer taking my Forester to Subaru Santa Cruz, and if cannot make it that far, to Livermore Subaru.
  • kenskens Member Posts: 5,869
    Colin -- That's kind of disappointing to think that our tranny design hasn't kept up with the changes in the engine. I've read somewhere that the 4EAT design came from Nissan. Wonder if Subaru couldn't outsource the 5MT design as well.

    Kate -- I actually purchased my 98 Forester S at Downtown Subaru. This was before I knew about the better dealerships elsewhere. I had very minor service done there and it wasn't bad. The only thing that bothered me was that they're more a Toyota dealer than a Subaru dealer. I think they also service Saabs as well.

    Ken
  • francophilefrancophile Member Posts: 667
    Paisan, I believe the plastic Pep Boys tools are meant to be universal. The more expensive ones should be custom to the vehicle.

    What the tool does is align the the clutch disc as the pressure plate is bolted on. There is normally a shaft (the transmission input shaft) running through the center of the clutch disc and into a pilot bushing or bearing in the flywheel, but of course when you're replacing the stuff in there that's not the case :-) The alignment tool does the job in its place. It goes through the clutch disc and into the pilot bearing/bushing, thereby aligning the parts; once the pressure plate is bolted tight you take the alignment tool out.

    We used to cut the input shafts from busted gearboxes and/or gearbox parts and use them, but anything that's straight and the right diameter will do. I've even turned a broomstick down at the pilot bushing end so that it would fit, then wrapped masking tape around and around it where the the clutch disc was going to be until I had a snug fit there, and that worked just dandy.

    Cheers,
    -wdb
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Wouldn't it be fun to steer the caboose on a fire truck? OK, I'll take my medication now.

    WDB: you mean you didn't use duct tape? ;-)

    -juice
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