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I have SR5 Access Cab 4x4 V8 with approx. 2200 miles.
Mhill, good info on the tires. How do you like the M. LTX's. I will probably buy those when the BFG's wear out. Also, in your infinite tire knowledge, what psi are you running? Are you using the posted psi on the door post?
Currently I am running 32 psi.
One thing to remember, if you want to increase fuel mileage some, run a higher psi, BUT not higher than the maximum psi listed on the tire (not the door, the manufacture's label on the door is generic and different tires require different air pressures.) However, this will give you a noticeably rougher ride; it's your choice.
Always check air pressure when the tires are cold. If you do check pressure when tires are hot; the pressure will show approximately 4 lbs. higher than actual pressure. Adjust accordingly.
I did take the truck off road on a trail for about 100 miles. It handles rocks, mud, sand, washouts, stair climbing pretty well. I'll probably have more input on the off roading.
Here is my question, though. Does anyone know if I need to "beef up" the suspension to be able to drop on a pop-up camper weighing around 800lbs? Then be pulling a 20ft speedboat? This was recommended by the shop where I was discussing purchasing a hitch at.
Thanks in advance.
Test drove a Limited with the TRD package and an SR5 without. I must say that I found little difference in ride when I took it through a pothole-ridden gravel lot. Now I'm inclined to skip the TRD, since it handled such situations well without. On the road the TRD package felt nice, though, so it doesn't take anything away. What are people's thoughts on this?
After I sat down with the salesman I told him what package I might want . . . SR5 4X4 auto with the 3-in-1 radio, captain's chairs, 5-spokes, ABS but no fog lights, floor mats, running boards, all-weather or off-road package. Then he gets the sales manager (I think) to try to find one, and I end up talking to the sales manager. He tries to push the off-road package and running boards a little (I'm sure if I had indicated that I would accept them he would have pushed them more), but I asked him why he can't order one from the factory. He says they have two to be built, and he could change one to fit my needs once we settle on a price, and it could take 4-8 weeks to get. Not bad. And as far as price, he offers to sell it to me at 3% over invoice, and I'd barely started haggling! Good deal. I told them I'd have to think about it, and they gave me the dealer search print out showing the invoice and MSRP. Interestingly, it lists ADP, dealer holdback, and a Wholesale charge, or something like that (don't have it with me). So I figure, since they already have these built in, and I'd be having them build it for me - giving them all of the dealer hold-back without it spending time on their lot - I really shouldn't even let them get 3%. However, it sounds like that's a good deal already, based on what folks on this board are saying.
To add to this, I've been driving a new extended cab Silverado for the last week. It's quite a good truck, I have to hand it to Chevy. No blind spot like in the Tundra, some things seem better designed even, others worse. It's too long, though. And I wouldn't trust it for a long life, unlike the Toyota. But ride quality, noise level and engine smoothness are all very competitive with the Tundra. It's certainly causing me to hesitate more on spending a similar amount for fewer features. I do hate the way the Silverado locks the door on you, requiring one to unlock them at every stop, and the lights on the one I'm driving are automatic, turning on whenever the lighting is too low . . . what if I don't want to blind someone in a parking lot? So, I think the Tundra is the best option for me, but I'm not blown away. Therefore the final price will really be an issue, and I don't think I can let 3% over invoice happen. Any thoughts?
I really like my Limited w/ power seats, I like these seats better than the SR5 seats (driving a SR5 for a few days while the dealership buff out some scratches and take off the TRD sticker). I also really like the TRD package. On the LTD's the TRD option was only an extra $90 or something, so it was worth it to me. If you don't like an option that the truck comes with, tell them to take it off. I had my dealership take out an over the rail bed liner (this caused the scratches that are being buffed out). They didn't give me any grief about it or anything.
I know from experience that there are Tundras in PA, so get the best price you can. You might want to just call around and find one, then go back to the dealership and tell them where it is.
Here's what I would watch for. If 3% over invoice is okay with you, make sure it is over invoice, and not over invoice+adders. In figuring, I would subtract the dealer advertising fee from the invoice amount. And then make sure other things don't get tacked back on, like dealer prep and set-up charges, or title and paperwork charges over $50. Watch them at every step, because no matter who you deal with, (Chevy or Toyota), charges often get added after the handshake, and you need to be prepared to object to them. Good luck!
If you increase the pressure from 26 front/29 rear to 32/35 and you don't notice a difference in the ride; something sounds fishy. It may not be rougher to the extent of throwing your back out of joint, but it should be noticeable, especially over bumps.
Check the pressure AT LEAST every two weeks (when tires are still cold). If you take tires for granted, they will let you down sooner or later; no matter what brand they are.
It seems that not only are the shocks different, but the springs are different too.
The roads that I take to and from work are curvy roads with small (really small) rolling hills (more like rolling mounds). W/o TRD, you can noticably tell that there is not enough low speed rebound and compression dampening (the truck rocks back and forth more than once). Also cornering, the w/ TRD truck turns more flat. This is not compression dampening because the truck stays flat throughout the turn. This would mean a different spring rate. Also, the back does not squat as much during acceleration (another indication of different springs).
Personally, I like both rides. You cannot go wrong with either, and neither one is better than the other (it just depends on what you're looking for). I prefer the w/TRD suspension.
I own w/ TRD but right now I'm driving w/o TRD while my truck is at the dealer (getting some scratches buffed out: so don't get all worked up, Bobby Joe).
Hope my two cents help those who are still deciding between w/ or w/o TRD.
I have had my second oil change done today. Both times I noticed that the dipstick level was just alittle below the minimum mark. This time I had the dealership check the level before I left and they added more oil. They claimed they put in 7 quarts. What is the actual oil capacity? The manual says 6.4 but I think something is wrong. Maybe Toyota is not calculating the quantity correctly, or possibly not figuring in the oil cooler, or this dealer does not know what they are doing.
You could post it to www.tundratoys.com or
www.homejack.com/tundra . This would allow all of us to see these flares.
No problem, that is what I will do this weekend. I will find a nice spot in my area to park the Tundra and snap a couple of pictures and post them. I also have a roll top tonneau cover and will take a picture of that to show how it looks on the Tundra.
Is it just my imagination or is the tailgate of the TRD Tundra higher than the Tundra w/o TRD?
I think I have found my Tundra today after 4 weeks of searching! It does have the TRD package. I hope to be testing the TRD suspension some more myself tomorrow afternoon.
Would like to know about your deal -- what and where. Has anyone tried a successful internet deal? Thanks in advance for any info.
I borrowed a digital camera last night. I will take pictures of my Tundra showing my Lund bug shield, aftermarket color-keyed fender flares and a couple of shots of the roll top cover including the front and rear stake pockets.
I really like the roll top cover, it is secured with a lock and with the lockable tailgate the bed is totally secure. In fact, I recently purchased the cargo net for the Tundra bed from an on-line Toyota dealer in Texas and I hooked it on the two tie-downs near the tailgate.
As far as breakin, I doubt if you will hurt anything. Just take it easy on the throttle. After racing motorcycles (and breaking in countless race motors) for 8 years, you're not going to hurt anything in a new motor unless you run the thing up to red-line. Don't baby it (lug the motor) and don't blast around at high rpm, and make sure you give it at least 30 seconds to 1 min. to warm up (actually to get the oil flowing).
al2: I tried going with AUTOWEB, CarPoint and a couple of others. Everytime a dealer contacted me, they all said that they didn't have any in stock and that demand was so great they couldn't give me a price unless I came in and worked with them. In other words, you're just as well off without going to those web sites. Has anybody had a positive experience?
TRD Tundra's are flatter in the corners and don't nose dive as much in hard braking as the non TRD's.
I have a ltd TRD and did beaucoup research. This is the difference that your 95$ (list msrp) buys you on the limited and in my opinion is well worth it.
I'm interested in getting Chrome Step Bars for my Tundra so a picture would help me with my selection. What type are they?
Also the Electrostatic rearview mirror sounds interesting. Does anyone know of where I can find an aftermarket supplier for one?
Check out www.mitocorp.com for the mirror. I, too, have been checking it out, but don't think I have the confidence to install it myself, but I sure would like to get one.
The box depth is 16.7. I'm trying to find a fiberglass tonneau cover that will give me clearance for 18+ inches. Sportsman makes one
that seems high enough, at least in the center,
but I haven't been able to measure any Tundra's
with covers insalled. Anyone out there have a
setup like this to measure? With or without bedmat.
Every piece of this is real and trust me I am very sorry that it happened to me. I tell this story (tell) to all of you guys to help you draw your conclusions about this new truck and make up your minds approaching it.
This whole thing happened Thursday the week of 09/13/99. We were for a week of vacation in Utah, visiting some of the national parks. After 5 days of great time and beautiful scenery we were supposed to drive the White Rim Trail in Canyonlands NP. We headed out on the trail around 2:45 in the afternoon with about 45 miles ahead of us to our campsite. With all my honesty the truck was doing great on this rough terrain. It was handling rocks, mud, steep climbs and the kind pretty well. The engine performance also is very nice. So after about 5 hours we landed at the campsite – Murphy B, shut the truck down and started preparing for the night. After probably 15 to 30 minutes ‘cause of the strong wind I decided to position the truck behind the tent so I could tie the tent to it.
And it happened the darn thing would not start. The engine was turning over OK but it wouldn’t start. Being out of all the possible places at the worst one, in the middle of the dessert, stranded with your brand new truck (2500 miles) I nearly cried. Imagine how I felt with my wife and my 15 months old baby. I looked at the manual for any clues, tried the procedures for flooded engine (almost impossible), checked for any loose wires or hoses but everything looked OK (it was dark by the time). The whole night I was tossing and turning around thinking of how in the world we were going to get out of this place. If we had to walk out of there it was 6 miles to the canyon rim traversing sheer cliff walls.
The morning came. I looked for loose wires again, checked all the fuses, made sure the fuel line was not broken – everything seemed OK. And the thing would not start. Luckily enough we found some people camping next to us that had a phone. After numerous attempts (the signal was real low) I managed to get a towing agency’s number from a guy from the Toyota Customer Service Line. Believe me you don’t wanna see your truck get towed out of that place. It almost broke my heart watching it. It cost us $1950 to get towed to Moab, Utah and took around 13 hours. The next day (Saturday) for additional $300 we got to the Toyota dealership in Grand Junction, Colorado. The guys at the service department of Western slope Toyota were real nice. With a scan tool they found out that there was no fuel pressure, energized the fuel pump with this tool and the truck started right back on. And it starts every time since. The bad part is that they could not figure out why it failed. They were guessing that the fuel pump relay was the problem but nothing positive. We were told that there is a chance that this could happen again any time we try to start the truck. So on Saturday afternoon we grove to Salt Lake city and stayed close to Carl Malone Toyota in case we had to resort for help again. We drove all the way to California on Sunday without even shutting the car down. Imagine if this happened again in the middle of Nevada.
Now the “fun” part. The truck was 3 days in the shop at Folsom Lake Toyota supposedly to get fixed. Even after the company rep looked at it they keep saying the truck was flawless?!?! I asked for the relay to get replaced and they did that – changed three relays that had something to do with the fuel pump.
Now, I am a computer guy and had those situations when a customer states there was a problem somewhere but we cannot reproduce it – may be one time data problem, maybe different environment or god knows what but this doesn’t mean that our programs are bugless. May be this is one time situation which I doubt, may be it takes a little shaking for this to happen, may be it’s my computer chips or this bug is everywhere, just waiting for the right time to show up (Utah desert). It just freaks me out. I will be using the truck in this kind of places. That’s why I paid my $30000.
I understand that Toyota is a great company with great customer service (they will pay for the towing) and this is version 1.0 of this truck and probably that story will not change my attitude but still there is a problem.
Since I can’t figure out what to do in this situation I would appreciate any input.
The only annoyance I found so far is not with the truck, but with the distributor install security system. It automatically locks the doors when you start the engine. This is not a problem. However, when you turn of the engine, only the driver's door unlocks! I keep forgetting this and my passengers are over there frantically trying to figure out how to open the door. I need to read the manual again to make sure I haven't missed something. Other than this, every single experience with the truck is GREAT!
You can now check out my truck at http://www.tundratoys.com in the reader section. Thanks again to Mat Sushima for putting the pictures up and offering a cool web page up for the Tundra community.
mikemiller
I know what you are saying about the power, it's hard not to enjoy it all the time. I had a Z71 tail gating me on the highway the other day and rather than give him the universal sign for "get off my tail" I merely left him in the dust; he tried to catch me but. . . love my Tundra, it's Tuns of fun. BTW, does anybody else have the Stellar Blue Pearl color? What do you think? It's awesome with the TRD package and the front end bra.
Tim