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The JD power tests are a very, very small sampling
of phone calls to people.
From:
http://www.jdpower.com/releases/70828car.html
The APEAL Study is based on responses from more than 29,000 new car and truck owners after three months of ownership. It is the only study to
exclusively measure what owners like and dislike about their new cars and trucks. The study addresses eight specific elements of the vehicle and quantifies what owners like about their vehicle and why they have those attitudes. The eight elements measured include:
Another site where ford wins:
http://www.jdpower.com/releases/80603car.html
"BMW and Ford Dominate the J.D. Power and Associates 1998 Quality Awards"
Yet another site:
http://www.jdpower.com/releases/60911car.html
J.D. Power and Associates Study Shows There is More to an Appealing Vehicle Than Lack of Defects.
Compact Pickup..........Ford Ranger
Also, a previous post from spoog stated, in part, something about ford using an automotive rearend?
Well I have posted in the past that the differential on the Ranger is basically the same as the F150, also, look at the Explorer and you can SEE that the same setup IS NOT like the Ranger or F150, there are many differences.
BUT. . .
I found and previously posted that the Toyota rearend is ALWAYS refered to as the "...standard toyota 8 inch differential..."
LOOK at a 4Runner, the differential is IDENTICAL to the Tacoma. IDENTICAL. And 4runner, at last look, while it is an SUV, it also is a passenger car.
Also, I had to go to toyota to get a cap/wires for my sons Celica ($80 by the way) and I walked past a new Tundra 4X4 TRD with a sticker of. . .
$31,000.
Seems to me the F-150s I looked at in Jan. had a sticker of around $24-25K equiped simular to that Tundra.
By the way, while there, I looked at the TRD parts section and MEASURED the replacement brake past for the Tacoma. They are the same size as the ones for the Ranger. Also, in discussions with the service techs, the ONLY difference with the TRD vs regular tacoma is the suspension and the locker. Same clutch, same engine, same cam, same brakes, same everything.
Balls in your court spoog but I THINK my number of referenced sites, ranking Ford/Ranger number 1 is about 8-10 to your 2-3.
Standard v6 / XCab / 2 Doors / No packages /98
Ranger = 10705
Tacoma = 13210
-wsn
Hey, every vehicle depreciates but yes, in general, the Toyota will hold its value better.
Wonder what the results of a side impact crash would have been on the guy that posted on that govt site about the:
"...transfer case locked up in intersection..."
Thunk! check the 1 star rating.
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Front Porch Philosopher
SUV, Pickups, and Aftermarket and Accessories Host
One more thing, mvigilanco1 is right about steel. About 10 years after WWII, for about the next thrity years or so, Japanese steel was better than US steel. However, that situation has changed. Since I was aware of that, that is why I kept pressuring you for facts. Once again we helped the Japanese get better than us. It made us improve as well to the point that we are now better and they have to catch up. Isn't capitalism great? I guess we'll let this one die now.
I think that relates to quality as well. We taught the Japanese everything they know, then we had to learn from them. Thanks to us and them, all the consumers are now better off. I think both the Taco and Ranger are quality trucks. I know Ranger has more technical bulletins. But as you have seen, many of these are instructions on how to repair items. They aren't always a quality problem.
Anyway, enjoy your truck. I'm glad to see a toned down version of you the last couple of posts. I will join you there.
Happy Motoring.
SPOOG MAN:
YOUR MOTHER LODE IS FOOLS GOLD. hehe I LIKE that!
Lets DISCECT some of the Consumer Complaints:
FIRST, look at ODI code number 545584 for 99 Ranger and ODI code number 705242 for 99 Tacoma. There are multiple entries for both and this is on a site you identified, counted as a negative and OBVIOUSLY did not read.
For 99 Ranger:
ODI 543788. Rear doors loose, causing wind noise.
NO!!!! Your kidding, boy THAT is serious!
ODI 545584. unable to repair due to lack of parts.
No! Don't have parts so you can't fix? Write a ODI
By the way there were a lot of these, no parts, cannot fix now.
ODI 545607. Suspension out of alignment.
Then Align it!
ODI 501413(this is ALSO entered THREE times) Wheels out of round.
Give em another wheel.
ODI 705192 When changing oil filter bumped starter, truck started.
LEARN about a vehicle first and do not do stupid stuff like touch a starter wire.
ODI 705754 (this was entered FIVE TIMES)
ODI 832446 (this was enterd TWICE)
I will not list the number of Tacoma ones, but do check one thing if you look at the database site provided by spoog.
Look at the number of INJURIES on Tacoma as compared to Ranger. The injury rate is DOUBLE.
Thanks again!
Kinda validates the one * rating of the Tacoma?
By the way, I MEASURED the Tacoma torsion bars on display at the Tacoma TRD parts section and will COMPARE to my Ranger tonight but they look on the surface as very darn close to what the Ranger has. I think I see another of your claims of superiority eroding.
http://www.fourwheeler.com/newtrucks/fwoty/99/toyota.html
-wsn
4runner vs. explorer is in the SUV section.
Thank you.
Ok, substitute Prerunner?!?
My main point was response to spoog comment regarding the Ranger rearend being the same as the Ford passenger car.
Well if he had done some homework and gone to Edmunds, and looked up the following cars/vans he would have SEEN:
The following are front wheel drive with ratios NOT offered on Ranger
- Windstar, a 3.98 axle ratio.
- Contour, a 3.98 axle ratio.
- Escort, a 2.73 axle ratio.
- Focus, a 3.82 axle ratio.
- Tarus, a 3.77 axle ratio.
and for rear wheels he would have SEEN:
-Crown Victoria, a 2.73 axle ratio, NOT offered on Ranger.
-Mustang, a 3.27 axle ratio, NOT offered on Ranger
BUT,
IF you go to the:
- F-150 you find a 3.55 axle ratio offered, also found on Ranger.
- F-250 you find a 4.1 axle ratio offered, also found on Ranger.
So my point, spoog is wrong again and the only passenger vehicle that I think Toyota makes in rear wheel drive is the 4 and Prerunner.
As for your JD powers survey, I have to laughy my a@@ off. That survery is based on WHAT customers like and dont like about their vehicle in the first 3 MONTHS!!! THE FIRST 3 MONTHS OF OWNERSHIP!!! What can happen then? Thats too rich Cspousner, too rich. I quote hardcore governement authority based information, and you give us tooty-the operator "how do you like your car" sources. THe first 3 months proves nothing.THe only thing it proves is if these consumers have Buyers Remorse. I suggest you start posting some pertinent sources here Cspounsr. Your only making yourself look desperate.
As for your personal measuring of things, forget about it. Anecdotal evidence does nothing for this board.
Im sorry you got so upset over the 526 Ranger technical Bulletins and the Tacomas 40. Thats too rich. Im sorry you got so upset over the Rangers 280 safety recalls to the Tacomas 80.
NOw you wonder why Toyota has the quaity reputation they do. And to quote a blurb from your little JD survey:
"According to the study, Toyota captures a total of eight awards, including two plant awards. The Toyota Corolla, 4Runner, Land Cruiser and Sienna top their segments in initial quality, while the Lexus LS 400 continues to set the standard for initial quality, earning the distinction as the best Premium Luxury car for the third consecutive year. The Lexus LX 470 also earns the top ranking in the Luxury SUV category despite its first year in the study.
"Toyota is an example of a manufacturer that has applied lessons learned on luxury makes and translated that across model line-ups," said daCosta. "These results are another reinforcement that their customers agree with what they are doing."
Now Cspounser....I say to that big deal. Customers SHOULD be satisfied with their cars in the first 3 months of purchase.
Once again, I have offered a truce tothis silly debate. I concede on the crash test and price issue whit the Ranger, Whil favoring the Tacoma in quality and performance. It seems Cspounser is unable to go for the whole pie. I have provided LONG-TERM governemtn data at the NHSTA site that shows the real data.
Again, Cspounser just seems to be over his head ,and a little unrealistic. I never said the Ford Rearendd was used in cars, I said it was a auto.manual trans hybrid used for all Rangers.
It seems Cspounser doesnt wan tto concede anything. Perhaps he is coming off as the true fanatic? In light of these performance data and quality data it seems almost silly.
Sorry, I thought we were drifting off here.
Happy Motoring.
Sticker 21,500 (approximately)
Cost 18,500 (what i paid, got great fin too)
Here are the current Kelley Blue Book values:
Retail 19,860
Trade-in 14,865
So, I'd say the selling price to a private party would probably be in between the two, maybe 17,000. So, I'd estimate my truck to have depreciated around 1,500 in the past one and a half years. That's about 5-6% a year.
But, most importantly to me, the trade-in value is greater than my loan balance. This is rather amazing as I financed about 2,500 in negative equity. It's due to the truck's low depreciation rate and great loan terms (FoMoCo incentive instead of cash back).
I'd be curious to see a similar calculation for toyotas (and other rangers too). If you disagree with my logic, please post.
Ranger -124
Tacoma -20
Quite a large difference there as well.
The Saftey recalls are similar
89-99
Ranger-280
Tacoma 80
Toyota Tacoma vs Ford Ranger - III. Please continue these discussions there.
Front Porch Philosopher
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