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  • jimbresjimbres Member Posts: 2,025
    Thanks for the tip. To answer your question, we would have liked to have used the system to locate nearby restaurants without having to pull off the road.
  • jaxs1jaxs1 Member Posts: 2,697
    Isn't that the point of voice control? You should be able to have it look up things like that while driving without having to play with the screen.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Yeah, the AVIC-D2 has come down in price, Crutchfield has 'em for $1200. I guess because the new models offer DVD playback and/or built-in hard drives, for upwards of $2 grand. All those screens are big, too, 6.5".

    That was a great deal, then, to get the portable one for free. The portable model costs about $600, so it's 2 for the price of one.

    Have you found the interface easy to use? What about map accuracy?

    -juice
  • jimbresjimbres Member Posts: 2,025
    Good point. I guess that I'm just more screen oriented at this stage of the game -- partly because of my experience with my Garmin.
  • bat1161bat1161 Member Posts: 1,784
    I don't have voice input control, but my "older" Garmin 2610 came with a remote control. That makes it a lot easier to use as I am driving. (I do usually pull over to do any searches or updating of the route, but not always).

    Mark
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    That would be useful. It's a reach to touch the dash board at times, where mine usually is.

    -juice
  • navguy1navguy1 Member Posts: 181
    The AVIC products from Pioneer use TeleAtlas maps. While they are the number two map supplier, NAVTEQ being number one, the map database is good. Of course there are some small issue that I encounter on an infrequent basis. But from my exposure to various devices they all have their little pesky issues.

    You know the one thing I find intruiging is the downloadable database that both Garmin and TomTom offer. Google Earth offers the same type of 'uploading' from users who create a specialized POI database. It sounds very cool - restaruants, traffic cameras, etc. My only question is who updates them? Has the information been accurate so far? This stuff parallels Wikipedia and Microsoft Live... users upload their knowledge and share it with others. I wonder what is next?

    Speaking of POIs what is missing? I just noticed that Aquariums aren't listed in my Sienna? And I have seen the Magellen PNDs offer churches and synogougs... does anyone elses product offer these categories? When I was using the TomTom GO 300 it didn't offer Car Washes or Barber Shops! Killed half of its' utility in one shot.
  • navguy1navguy1 Member Posts: 181
    One neat feature about the TomTom Go 300... it did come with a remote control when we bought it from Costco. It was useful at first but the novelty wore off. I think they sell it as an accessory now.
  • navguy1navguy1 Member Posts: 181
    Everyone,

    From your experiences, how dangerous do you think it is to input an address or look up a resturuant while you are driving? Do you end up having the passenger input the information, do you drive slow, glance at the road intermittently or wait until the next traffic signal? From the logs I understand that some people input their address before they depart. What method do you employ?
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    I have used the custom POI upload feature a lot (Garmin SP c320).

    You install a "POI Loader" on your PC, a tool that aids with the transfer. Then of course you have to find the POI database you want.

    A lot of them are offered for sale, but I found a few freebies - such as Wawa stores, Wal-Mart, red light and speed traps in DC, MD, and VA.

    So I have about 12 custom POI databases that I use, all were free.

    On the Garmin, they appear as a 4th option, below your Favorites. I like being able to find Wawas - cheap gas and clean bathrooms. You can plan road trip stops.

    These databases come in a pretty standard CSV format, so I don't think it's just Garmin units that can upload them. The format is something like this:

    -77.388740,37.247360,"Colonial Hgts, VA"

    I believe it's latitude, longitude, and name of the POI. In this case it's just the location of well known speed trap in NoVA.

    How accurate? Well, the idea is these are created by GPS users, so we all contribute. I found a red light cam in Deleware and saved the location on my GPS, then noted the coordinates so someone could add it to a POI database.

    The catch? Someone has to do the work. If you complain, you'll be asked to be that person! :D

    Most seem to be pretty accurate. I doubt they are complete. But mine beeps right on Bradley Blvd right before a well known speed trap (when it goes over I-495). My wife got a ticket there 2 years ago, bummer that we didn't have the GPS back then! :(

    -juice
  • blaneblane Member Posts: 2,017
    navguy1,

    I don't think that an reasonable person would consider inputting an address to a navigation system, while driving, to be too intelligent. I'll usually do the task while parked, or have a passenger do it while I provide peanut gallery comments.

    It's another story with my Accord's voice-controlled Navigation System. You just press a button on the steering wheel and say "Display Restaurant" (or ATM, Bank, Gas Station, or Hotel-motel, Grocery store, etc). Or, conversely, say "Hide Restaurant", etc.

    You can also say "Find nearest Fast food" (or Italian restaurant, Japanese restaurant, Parking garage, Shopping, Tourist attraction, Hospital, etc.)

    You use the same system to adjust map zoom levels, request the next maneuver, ask for the current time, distance or time to destination, change audio stations, volume, mode, temperature, etc.

    It's all very safe since your hands stay on the wheel and your eyes stay mostly on the road.
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    I have custom POIs in the Street Atlas pull downs so I just hit where I'm going either while driving or have the passenger put it in.

    -mike
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    That sounds useful.

    Which portable units accept voice commands?

    -juice
  • blaneblane Member Posts: 2,017
    juice,

    No portable unit has the horsepower it takes...yet.
  • navguynavguy Member Posts: 61
    At the moment only imbedded systems from Acura, Honda, Infinity, Nissan, Toyota and Lexus offer voice recognition technology.
  • rockyleerockylee Member Posts: 14,014
    You forgot Cadillac also ;)

    Rocky
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    I believe some software on them will allow you to input via voice commands.

    -mike
  • tallman1tallman1 Member Posts: 1,874
    In addition, you can also enter addresses by voice commands. Letters can be tricky... I've got to learn the names (a=Alpha, etc.). I can enter some things by hand while driving but it is much better to pull over. Voice commands are great.
  • mdchachimdchachi Member Posts: 275
    Has anybody tried the full street address input by voice feature on the latest Lexus & Toyotas? If so how did it work for you? I've got an old Toyota which doesn't have voice activation but I understand the latest vehicles let you enter addresses by voice.
  • mdchachimdchachi Member Posts: 275
    I think it's no more dangerous than other common tasks one does while driving -- load/unload CDs, flip through the CD holder, manipulate the radio or hvac controls, feel around the back seat looking for something, eating, look at paper maps, making a call, etc.

    I usually input an address before I depart but not always since I may not have known a destination before I left. For example, if I've set a destination to Chicago, I can't predict when I'll want to eat lunch. So while I'm on the road and lunchtime gets near, I may need to search for a restaurant up ahead. etc. As with other distractions, I avoid messing with the screen if I'm in a situation that requires my full attention.
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    Just finished getting mine sort of up to speed with my new screen and putting the wiring behind the dash. Also I have been testing out some beta software that is pretty darn good. Centrafuse by fulxmedia.net Excellent Nav+DVD+CD+MP3+Webbrowser+Phone+SatRadio+Weather+Traffic all rolled into one application.

    -mike
  • tallman1tallman1 Member Posts: 1,874
    Bingo... common sense works best here. If I enter something while driving it takes much longer because I'm paying attention to the road.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    I just looked again, because we're thinking about getting a 2nd unit, and wow, prices have plunged since last year when I bought mine.

    I can get a similar c320 for just $260. I paid $404 in the middle of last year. :cry:

    Anyone used or seen the 7200 model, with the big 7" screen? Those have dipped under a grand and depending upon what new car I get next year, I may get one for it. It can take a backup cam input, too.

    Looks like this:

    image

    Anyone seen one?

    -juice
  • blaneblane Member Posts: 2,017
    juice,

    You'll find a bunch of Garmin Streetpilot 7200 topics in the following forum:

    http://www.gpspassion.com/forumsen/forum.asp?FORUM_ID=86

    Just do a search or Rechercher for 7200 at the top of that page.

    It's not very pocketable at 7.5”W x 4.5”H x 2.2”D though, and not a great idea to leave in temptation's way on your dashboard. Have you thought of one of the pocketable nüvi 3xx or 6xx series units for your next vehicle?
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    I guess you guys in the burbs have to worry about that. I leave my screen up in my hood (Upper Manhattan aka Harlem) and never have issues. I had my old screen stolen in the burbs.

    -mike
  • jaxs1jaxs1 Member Posts: 2,697
    I think people who want to have a big screen should get a built-in system. That is unwieldy.
    The portable units are nice when they are pocketable so you can easily carry them around from car to car, pack them in your carry-on, stick them in your pocket and throw them in the glove box or any small cubby. Better yet when they can run on batteries for hours so you can use them without any wires and walk around with them outside.
    I had read that unit was originally intended to be used by big rig truck drivers.
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    It would fit perfectly well in the glove box or center console of an SUV. I believe you are right they were originally intended for RVers and Truckers.

    -mike
  • navguynavguy Member Posts: 61
    I think blane knows something he isn't telling us. Hmmm... looks like VR will soon appear on some PNDs in the future.
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    But Garmin just came out with for 2007, a marine GPS application that is very interesting...

    Route calculations taking into account obstructions and navigable waters. Up until now, you needed to plot turns with waypoints in order to have a route that was navigable. With their new system it will automatically avoid shallow areas and other items. It also allows you to download a satellite overlay as well. Very cool stuff.

    Last year they introduced weather services from XM with live-doppler radar that would get transmitted to the unit in real time with 5 minute intervals as well.

    -mike
  • jaxs1jaxs1 Member Posts: 2,697
    You should also probably verify you enter the correct city.

    http://news.com.com/2061-11516_3-6140914.html
  • bat1161bat1161 Member Posts: 1,784
    Now that is funny. I can't believe they didn't notice they were driving more than the 12 miles necessary to get to their destination!

    Mark
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    I know it's big, I would find a way to build it in somehow. I'd have the smaller one in another car that I could take with me for use on trips in rental cars, so no big deal.

    I'll pick my next car first, then decide what to get. It may even have GPS built-in, who knows.

    -juice
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    I like that commercial where they say "turn right....in [some distance]" and the car smashes in to the window.

    You need to apply common sense when using it, i.e. give it a reality check.

    -juice
  • jaxs1jaxs1 Member Posts: 2,697
    I saw that commercial once. I can't remember what company it was for. I've been trying to find it on online.
  • pnewbypnewby Member Posts: 277
    Recently completed a 3,800 mile trip in the South East, and I really do love the NUVI 660. Unable to stump it even once, which is better than my previous 2600. I knew the major stops before I left home, so just entered them ahead of time and stored them as favorites. Also used the POI feature several times, and all worked flawlessly. I still prefer the portables over the built ins for both price and the ability to use them in other vehicles. They are great in a rental when on a trip, and handy in a friends or relatives car when they are driving.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Got my Costco Connection magazine and noticed the prices for GPS systems at Costco.com is now very competitive. They weren't a year ago.

    Any how, the Garmin c530 is $400 with free shipping, but what caught my eye was the Plenio VXA-3000 GPS. It has a 7" screen and costs the same amount.

    Anyone ever heard of Plenio? Of this model specifically?

    Just curious.

    image

    Seems like a new Korean brand.

    -juice
  • jamers2004jamers2004 Member Posts: 3
    I just got one of those Real-Time GPS Tracking Device from www.yourteensdriving.com. These things are awesome!!

    I purchased one for my daughter who just turned 16 and got her first car so I can keep an eye on her.

    Here's what you can monitor and control:

    • Use any telephone to find out where your teen is right now­- An automated voice will tell you the street address of where the car is right now. For example, "Terry is located at 120-125 Main Street, Miami, Florida and is traveling 35 miles per hour NorthEast."

    • Use any computer with internet access to find out where your teen is right now­- A map on the screen will enable you to zoom in and out on the clearly-marked car and see their current Location, Speed and Direction. And you can do this through any computer in the world with internet access !!

    • ­Speed Threshold Alert- Alerts you when, where, and by how much a vehicle speeds. Tell your teen to never drive over, say, 60 miles per hour in the car. You'll know right away if they ever do !!

    • ­Electronic Fencing Alert- Alerts you when up to 10 predefined boundaries have been crossed. Up to 10 rectangular or circular regions can be specified and you're notified immediately if they go into or out of any of these regions. Examples of use: (1) Be sent an email at work when your teen arrives safely at home after school. (2) Be sent a cell phone text message when teen arrives safely at school in the morning. (3) Make sure your son doesn't drive through the "bad neighborhood" on the other side of town. (4) Make sure your daughter doesn't drive to the mall to buy more clothes.

    • ­GeoFence Alert- A circular region with a predefined radius that's centered on the car's current location. You'll be notified immediately if they go outside of this region. Examples of use: (1) You tell son on Saturday night not to drive too far away out of the county. You're notified immediately if he does. (2) Your daughter is driving to her grandparent's home 2 states away. You're notified immediately when she reaches the state line of her destination. (3) Your son can drive the car to school but not cruise around in it during lunchtime. You turn on the Geofence at lunchtime and are notified immediately if they drive the car out of the school parking lot.

    • ­Remote Vehicle Door Unlock- With a click of the mouse, unlock the car doors if the keys get locked inside.

    • ­Remote Starter Disable/Enable- Immobilizes a vehicle once the ignition is off. Use in case car is stolen.

    • ­Fastest Speed- Get today's fastest speed of travel. Useful to see the fastest speed your teen has driven recently.

    • ­Driver Assistance Needed- If teen is in trouble, they can press a user-supplied button in glove box to tell you they need help.

    • ­History Review- Review all interactions that you've made with the car, Speed Threshold alerts, Fastest Speed requests, etc. from the past 3 months.

    • ­Security Feature: Car Alarm Notification- Alerts you when car alarm goes off. And if it is stolen you can tell police exactly where it is !!

    • Security Feature: Battery cable cut Notification- Alerts you if car's battery cable is cut, battery is drilled out, etc. This is done be seeing the 12 volt power source is suddenly removed. Then you're notified using the included backup battery.

    • ­Low Battery Notification- Alerts you when vehicle battery falls below a predetermined voltage of 9.5 or 10.5 volts.

    Benefits:

    • Easy to install & inexpensive to operate, the product & antenna are invisible to the driver behind the dashboard.

    • Hardware can be moved from one car to another with ease. Only 3 wires to connect to vehicle for basic functionality.

    • You have full control of monitoring and controlling functions on vehicle via the internet wherever the car is in the USA, Mexico and Canada. The combined power of GPS, the Internet, cellular service, and its accessibility through any standard web browser allows us to provide cost effective services throughout most of North America.

    • Operates even if car is parked for long periods of time; up to 45 straight days with ignition off. Can actively broadcast its location for at least 15 hours on its own power with included battery backup.

    • You don't need to sign up for any cellular service. All needed cellular charges are paid to the cellular provider by Alltrack USA and they buy air time in bulk to keep prices low.

    • You don't need to own any type of cell phone or cellular service of your own.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Sounds neat, if a bit Big Brother-ish.

    If you teens knew you had it, though, they'd be less tempted to "cheat" and push the limits of their curfew and boundaries.

    -juice
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,733
    did you install it yourself? Do you have ALL of those features enabled? How many connections are involved for all of the features? locks, starter disable, speed, alarm notification, battery alert ... sounds like quite a few connections and probably calls for a wiring manual (for a newer car).

    If you had it installed, what did it run you?

    '11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S

  • jamers2004jamers2004 Member Posts: 3
    I installed it myself, it just hooks up to the battery and comes with all the instructions. It does everything listed here. The whole thing cost me $456.00 total with tax because I got a coupon when I signed up for the websites mailing list. It includes all the services, but to (taken from website) "remotely operate a 12 volt item on car- With the click of the mouse on your PC, turn ON/OFF a 12V device on the car such as turning on a light, honking the horn, etc. Its a $37.95 hardware add-on required to do this."

    You do have to sign up for this thing called "polling" which is everytime you contact the box, it costs a few cents. I got 500 Polls for $35.00 which should last me at least 6 months if not way more.

    This thing is awesome though, and lower priced than anyone of the others I saw on the internet. Excellent customer service too.

    heres the link. www.yourteensdriving.com
  • boaz47boaz47 Member Posts: 2,747
    GPS directions systems they now offer with Phones? Might they work as well as a Tom Tom unit?
  • tmarttmart Member Posts: 2,397
    I don't have direct experience with the phone system, but one MUST have cell service for it to work. The GPS sats cover the world, but cell service doesn't. Also, all things being equal, you'll have added costs involved with cell phone service, but just the purchase price of the Tom Tom, Garmin, etc.
  • jamers2004jamers2004 Member Posts: 3
    The one that I just got uses cingular service. That is the polling thing I was talking about. 6 months of use for 35 bucks aint bad.
  • jaxs1jaxs1 Member Posts: 2,697
    OnStar should offer this so parents can monitor their teen drivers. You would just log on to the web to monitor where they drive, how fast the drive and maybe listen in with the OnStar microphone.
  • hoyafanhoyafan Member Posts: 48
    I would like to buy a portable GPS unit for my father-in-law. They spend about 8 months a year in the US and 4 months in Europe (Holland to be precise). So I'm looking for a portable unit that can be used in both locations. I'm fine with the map being pre-loaded for the US, but would like the ability to add a European map, perhaps via SD card instead of a new software download? Any devices set-up for this? In my brief search I really like the new Garmin Nuvi 660 - it seems to be getting great reviews but I can't tell if it can be used in both the US and Europe.
    Thanks.
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,733
    Huh? It just hooks up to your battery? Yet it can unlock your doors and disable your car? How is that possible?

    '11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S

  • jaxs1jaxs1 Member Posts: 2,697
    There are TomTom units you can buy that are already preloaded with both US and European maps.
    You can buy European maps for the US version Nuvi from Garmin for about a $250 extra fee.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Yep, even my cheapie Garmin c320 can do that. They cost about $260 now, add a euro SD card for about $150 and for just over $400 you've got both.

    If Tom Tom pre-loads them that makes it a bit easier, though the SD card only takes seconds to remove and replace.

    -juice
  • topgun7topgun7 Member Posts: 412
    I read through 20 or so pages of the fourm. My question is taht if I want to spend no more than $700 for a portable GPS, which one is the best to get and why?
  • pnewbypnewby Member Posts: 277
    All personal preference, but I have had 2 Garmin units, and am very pleased. Nuvi 660 is $789 at Sams Club, and is top of the line in easy to use pre-loaded. 350-360 is well under 700 and have most of the same features.
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