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  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Well, my wife went out last night with a friend of hers, and the friend had just purchased a Magellan NAV system (not sure which model) from Costco.

    My wife really didn't like it. She's used to our Garmin StreetPilot c320, and much prefers her own compared to the Magellan. She said she felt it gave fewer commands and less information overall.

    Could be due to the fact that the owner was still a novice, of course. If I find out what model she had, or better yet ride along next time, I'll try to play with it and offer more detailed feedback.

    -juice
  • jonwpjonwp Member Posts: 1
    Hello, new here and first post.

    Has anyone tried out or owns the Plenio VXA-3000 7" GPS device? I'm in the market for a good GPS device between $400-$700 with a 7" screen. I prefer a 7" screen to be sure I can see it without any trouble. Thanks.
  • blaneblane Member Posts: 2,017
    jonwp,

    Here's 32 pages of reading for you:

    http://www.gpspassion.com/forumsen/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=71659
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Speaking of GPS, I saw an ad for a new Garmin (Nuvi 6 something?) that links up with MSN and gives you not only traffic info, but also weather and even the latest gas prices for stations in the POI database.

    Now *that* is cool. I see a variance of 6-20 cents per gallon in my area from one station to the next, so even though it seems like very little, over time this would really add up, and the service would pay for itself.

    It's only $50/year, so who's first to try it out and report back?

    -juice
  • snapcracklepopsnapcracklepop Member Posts: 111
    Only $50 a year! That seems like a lot to me. Im a TomTom fan myself. I know the 910 has all of those features (minus the gas). My friend uses the One and swears by it. They all upgraded their maps too, so I think they're the most accurate GPS's out there.
  • blaneblane Member Posts: 2,017
    snapcracklepop,

    Any thoughts about the following three recent postings in the GPS Passion forums:

    #1 I had 2 Garmin units in the past for about 4 years, recently moved to Europe and now own a TomTom One for over 2 months. Using extensively both unit, here are some issues I never saw mentioned before:

    When you tap the TomTOm screen it will take you the main menu where you have to use several taps to access its functions. The most inconvenient feature here is the lack of panning of the maps. In order to be able to do that in the 'browse map' mode it takes 4 taps. I found this very unpractical because there are situations when i need to check what is around me on the map and navigating through 3-4 screens it very distracting (and slow process) while driving. This is the major complaint about TomTom. They don't have a shortcut on the map to get into browsing mode directly. This way you can't get information about a waypoint onthe map quickly, you have to get into 'browsing' mode forst before you can get the name of the restaurant, bank etc.

    At Garmin one tap on the main screen you are in browsing mode, pan the map, zoom in/out, get the waypoint info etc, very quick and practical.


    #2 I've not ever used the Tom Tom but I think the text-to-speech feature is a near-must. Often it is difficult to get a quick read on the map's display due to ambient light, but the vocal announcements with street names can partially overcome that.

    #3 I was a tomtom go owner/user until it was stolen from my MINI last summer. I am now the happy user of a nuvi 350. I had the option to replace my stolen unit with a new tomtom, but found the features, compactness, and overall user experience much better with the nuvi. Although the tomtom was quite customizable, I really got sick of the canned phrases during navigation, and found the text to speech of the nuvi a welcome change. The fact that I can mount the nuvi down low in one of my cupholders makes the deal even sweeter!
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    $50 per year, vs. $17 per month for XM Traffic, though. The traffic service isn't free, at least not that I know of. The XM subscription would cost a whopping $204 per year.

    If you know of a free traffic service, please share.

    -juice
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    My Garmin c320 lacks the TTS feature. The c330 also lacks that. The c340 and higher models do have it, though.

    I manage OK without it, though it wouldn't hurt I guess. I don't have a problem seeing the street names, but I'm 20/20 after LASIK.

    I'd probably feel differently if I used the GPS in my Miata, as glare is so bad you can barely see the screen at all in any conditions except night.
  • blaneblane Member Posts: 2,017
    juice,

    Did you read about Garmin being in process of discontinuing the cXXX series? They are bringing a lower cost nüvi 2XX series to market soon.
  • mstemmstem Member Posts: 113
    I was fortunate enough to obtain a Garmin nuvi 360 when I purchased a new Hyundai Sonata in late December. The unit appears to be a box-stock 360 device, which simply has a customized Hyundai splash screen when you first boot it up. My experience with it the past few months has been excellent, and I recommend it highly. A number of tech publications seem to feel the same way.

    One neat accessory that I just got is worth mentioning. I really didn't like the suction-cup mounting thing, and found a neart Garmin accessory at one of the online sites. Best way to describe it is a high-tech beanbag. Said beanbag is weighted, and sits anywhere on the dash without sliding. It is customized for whatever Garmin GPS you have. Very easy to just pick up and stow on the floor, wherever, when parked. I think the mount and the bracket to make it work together ran about $50 bucks total. Details if anyone is interested? :)
  • peraltaperalta Member Posts: 94
    I've been there and done that and now I am a step beyond where you are now.

    I have been through three portable GPS. The latest one is the garmin nuvi. My previous GPS was stolen since the mounting system is very obvious and the theft just looked for the GPS unit inside the car and stole everything.

    After that I used a bean bag where you can remove the whole thing from the top of the dasboard out of site when parking.

    Lately, I have been lazy and just used a bull cap to cover the thing on the dashboard.

    Now I found out that it is less conspicuous by sticking the mounting disc beside the radio tuner knob of my highlander. And then cover the whole thing with a bull cap when parking.

    I can see that in the Sonata it is similar to my highlander where there is perfect space for the mounting disc beside the radio tuner knob.
  • snapcracklepopsnapcracklepop Member Posts: 111
    blane,
    number 1 and 3 seem to be comparing TomTom and Garmin products. I've never used a garmin, but as far as the tomtom goes, I've never had any problems "navigating" around the device. My friends One is the easiest device to use in the world (and I'm no tech genious :-)) #2. I like the text-2-speech, but I don't think its a must. The 910 has it, but the "turn left", "turn right" on the One works fine for me.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    I'm not surprised. The Nuvi series seems more popular, and the c series may not have become cheap enough to compete with newcomers such as the MIO C310x, which at $199 is a bargain.

    So the 2xx series will probably be more comparable to the MIO.

    Has anyone tried the MIO? Circuit City was selling them dirt cheap, and what I've heard so far was all good.

    -juice
  • jaxs1jaxs1 Member Posts: 2,697
    If Hyundai is so resistant to factory GPS even on their top of the line Azera, what they need to do is make a cubby in the dash with a power port plus audio jack to connect to an integrated speaker or the stereo system. Then all you do plug it in and close the door when you park and you still have the option to move it a second vehicle or rental car as needed.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    I like the idea of an industry-standard docking station at the top of the dash, but it won't happen any time soon.

    Why? Factory GPS is a real cash cow. They get $2000 or so for these, and I bet the margins are as high as it gets in the auto industry.

    It's the same reason we see fewer cars available with a standard double-DIN opening for the stereo. :sick:
  • jaxs1jaxs1 Member Posts: 2,697
    I don't like standard-sized stereos. They get stolen and are too easy to fence. Custom sized stereos that only fit one car model are much better and look more integrated too.
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    Most of the customized ones are actually double dins with a different kind of face plate. For instance on my Armada it's a double din box with a flat ribbon cable that leads to controls that do not appear to be double DIN. What a lot of folks have done is get a double din opening face plate and yanked the stock unit out. I'll likely go factory on my next unit.

    Does anyone have any experience with the GMC/Chevy Navi/MP3 Players out in the 2007 trucks?

    -mike
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    I guess I don't park in high-risk areas, but that's not much of a concern to me.

    Noone here has a MIO 310 model?

    -juice
  • corvettecorvette Member Posts: 11,269
    I have a Nuvi 360, which I used recently on a trip to the Blue Ridge Mountains. I like it, but have a few criticisms. The screen resolution is sometimes a bit pixellated, the software requires that I boot into Windows to update the unit (although they claim they will eventually support OS X), and I haven't been able to enter destinations on the computer and copy them to the nav unit--this may be due to user confusion.
  • blaneblane Member Posts: 2,017
    If you are continuing to experience the screen pixellation, you might want to contact Garmin Tech Support.

    http://www.garmin.com/contactUs/techSupport.jsp

    Windows market share is 94%. OS X market share is 6%. Enough said.

    nüvis are not designed so that you can enter destinations on your computer and copy them to the unit. However, you can create custom points of interest (POI) using Mapsource on your computer and transfer them to your nüvi.

    http://www.gpspassion.com/forumsen/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=59352
  • blaneblane Member Posts: 2,017
    Juice,

    You'll be interested in the new Garmin software download for your C320.

    Changes made from version 5.30 to 5.40:

    Added Brazilian Portuguese voice language support
    Updated for United States Daylight Saving Time change

    http://www.garmin.com/support/download_details.jsp?id=829
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    GREAT!

    Thank you!

    I don't have it with me today, but I figured I was overdue for the DST time fix (noticed that a while ago).

    Brazilian Portuguese, nice! :shades:

    For those not familiar with the language, Brazilians speak a softer version with fewer verb conjugations (no 2nd person for instance), and a different pronunciation as well.

    I could barely understand the Portuguese (from Portugal) on the unit now.

    I probably won't use it, but my dad will. My brother got an identical unit and my dad leaves for a road trip to Florida on Sunday. I'll make sure they install that update and later ask him how he liked it. :shades:
  • snapcracklepopsnapcracklepop Member Posts: 111
    I wouldn't be too quick with the new garmins. I found this blog the other day:
    http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/gps/garmin-launches-even-more-nvis-%5Bverdict-ill-sti- - ck-with-tomtom-thanks%5D-244707.php

    IMO- the new TomToms are showing a lot of promise. The One is getting a lot of press these days for its low price and easy use. I've had nothing but positive experiences with it myself. Just thought I'd share...
  • blaneblane Member Posts: 2,017
    snapcracklepop,

    The gizmodo link that you provided is interesting since of the follow-up comments, five posters preferred Garmin while only two preferred TT.

    I was also interested in the quote: "the 20GB-hard drive equipped TomTom GO 910". A spinning hard drive in a portable unit? Possibly bouncing over rough terrain? No thanks. I'll stick with the solid-state Garmins for security, peace of mind and longevity.
  • corvettecorvette Member Posts: 11,269
    I think the pixels on the screen are just too large; that, or the font anti-aliasing isn't very good. Thanks for the tips, though.

    If memory serves, I couldn't get Mapsource to work, since it couldn't find any maps. Is there a way to get the maps from the Nuvi to the computer?
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Sharper Image now carries them, so I got a close look for the first time.

    I first tried the Garmin Nuvi 660, which was probably a mistake. It is a very slick. So compact, yet the screen is huge. Such a nice design. Interface is like the c series that I'm used to only better. A+. I want one. $900 at that store but that store is not price-competitive.

    Then I tried the big-screen Tom Tom, not sure which model, might have been the 910 I guess. In comparison it was bulky and a little clumsy in its design. It was bigger outside but had a slightly smaller screen. Price was $700 IIRC.

    I'm not used to Tom Tom's interfact, but to be fair, I figured it out on the spot. Very simple to use, not unlike my Garmin. They make the same mistake of not using a QWERTY keyboard, even.

    They had an older Magellan model that wasn't even worth a thorough look so I passed.

    I did take a quick peek at the small/cheap Tom Tom model, though, and the 3.5" screen and low price make it attractive. I think it was $299, though Staples advertised it for less in the circulars from the Sunday paper, I think it's $200.

    I think I'd cross-shop all the $200 models, the other one is the Mio 310x, if I wanted a 3.5" screen. But if I were to pay more the Nuvi model is just a lot better designed than the Tom Tom that I saw, at least.

    What Garmin needs to do is get an entry in the $200 class pronto.
  • blaneblane Member Posts: 2,017
    Here's Garmin's entry level line, the new 200, 250 and 270.

    http://crave.cnet.com/8301-1_105-9697837-1.html

    http://www.garmin.com/products/nuvi200/

    Not $200, but...
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Ah, thanks.

    I wouldn't expect them to meet the $200 price point of Lowrance and Mio, but maybe the $300 price point of the Tom Tom One.

    Lemme do a quick street price search on Froogle...
    $305 and up, $318 from a seller with multiple ratings.

    That's about what I expected.

    I think I'd pick that over a Tom Tom One just to stay with a Garmin, since I could transfer my Favorites easily to the new device, plus I already know how to use it (and the POIs, updates, etc.).

    The $200 models are tempting, though.

    -juice
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    A buddy here at work just loaded Tom Tom software on his T-Mobile MDA, along with this BlueTooth GPS antennae:

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    He already had the PDA, so the maps were $150 or so, and the BT antennae was another $60.

    So that's $210 for that option, plus the cost of the PDA, unless you already have it.

    The screen was a tad small. I'm used to a 3.5" screen, so I felt the keyboard was a bit harder to use at this size. One neat thing was he could change the orientation, portrait or landscape.

    His even had the traffic subscription, though he isn't finding it that useful and will likely not renew at the end of the free trial period.

    Interesting option, especially if you don't want a seperate device. But I think I prefer a dedicated unit, especially when you can get one for the $210 he spent, and with a bigger screen.

    Cheaper than a Tom Tom One, though, if you like their interface.
  • snapcracklepopsnapcracklepop Member Posts: 111
    The TomTom 510, 910, and the ONE all dropped by $100
    and the Rider dropped by $200. So the TT ONE is now just $299 that is insanely cheap! :blush: Thoughts?
    link title
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    The Garmin Nuvi 360 is a couple hundred bucks off at Frys.com right now too I hear ($399).

    Are there some new chips in the pipeline or something?
  • blaneblane Member Posts: 2,017
    Yes Steve,

    The regular Garmin nüvi 3xx lines and the slightly larger form factor nüvi 6xx lines use the SiRFstarIII chipset. The latest, lower cost, nüvi 2xx lines use the less expensive MTK chipset.

    As always, regardless of brand, you get what you pay for. That's a factor in snapcracklepop's earlier link today to a February 16th TT advertisement.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Gotta love the increased competition.

    So it sounds like Tom Tom and Garmin, the volume leaders, have their entry level units starting around $300. While smaller players like Lowrance and Mio have theirs for $200.

    I'd love to see a comparo of these budget buys.
  • snapcracklepopsnapcracklepop Member Posts: 111
    Yeah I agree with you competition is always a good thing. It has definitely helped bring prices down in the GPS market! This is why I'm pretty excited about the TomTom ONE. If you go to any product review sites and look up consumers comments about the ONE they are very favorable and its price is soooo low that it makes it a very attractive unit.... :shades:
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    They're not the lowest priced units, however. MIO and Lowrance have even lower prices - around $200 street prices. :surprise:
  • bat1161bat1161 Member Posts: 1,784
    Not sure if anyone is interested, but I read about this new GPS manufcturer who is looking for beta testers of their product. It's at dash.net; read about it at PC mag. Looks like they want people who drive a lot though, so I'm not a contender for them.

    The concept of using other drivers to give real time traffic info sounds unique.

    Mark
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    Here's a link:

    steve_, "Auto Parts Bargains and Coupons" #72, 9 Apr 2007 10:15 pm

    I didn't apply either since my annual mileage is in the 5,000 range.
  • bodble2bodble2 Member Posts: 4,514
    Wow, I thought I was the only one who puts on such low mileage!
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    My '97 is just bumping up on 60,000 miles. Our van is at 117k over 8 years so it's closer to "average."

    The '97 would be a full 1,000 miles less but I don't have nav and I easily get lost driving around (how's that for sticking to the topic, LOL).
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    I went ahead and signed up, but I might not drive enough outside of my commute to meet their requirements.
  • bodble2bodble2 Member Posts: 4,514
    Anyone know the key difference(s) between the 2 models?
  • blaneblane Member Posts: 2,017
    The 360 adds Bluetooth for handsfree cellular calls (if you REALLY think you need it). I'd rather use an earbud and not have to yell all the way to the dashboard to be heard.
  • bodble2bodble2 Member Posts: 4,514
    You're right. Doesn't seem to justify the difference in price. I don't even use the handsfree in my TL all that much.
  • bodble2bodble2 Member Posts: 4,514
    The GO910 is the only TT unit with a hard drive? How about the One?
  • blaneblane Member Posts: 2,017
    Not in the ONE, according to their website.
  • snapcracklepopsnapcracklepop Member Posts: 111
    Yeah it appears the TT 910 is the only unit with a HD (which is 20Gb). The TT 510 has 1Gb removable SD drive but it appears to be different from a typical HD. If you go to the TomTom website they have sections for all of their different units. Click on the "features" tab and it gives all the details to whatever unit you select such as HD, Bluetooth, MP3, etc. Also while you are there check out the new ONE XL it looks pretty sweet. ;)
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Just looked on TigerGPS.com and the One XL is $400. That's a great price for a 4.3" screen. Pretty tempting.

    I gotta see if my next vehicle will have factory GPS. One thing I do want is a backup cam, unfortunately most of these budget priced portables don't have a video input. I don't trust the Plenio.
  • bodble2bodble2 Member Posts: 4,514
    Which Garmin model would the TT510 compete against in the Garmin lineup? The Nuvi 350? The TT510 comes with Handsfree, has bigger screen. Does 510 have Text-to-Speech? Maps are stored on SD card for 510, whereas Nuvi has maps preloaded onto internal memory. Which is better? Internal memory = faster response? One big advantage for Nuvi appears to be longer battery life -- about double the battery life for 510. The 510 also appears to be up to about $100CAD cheaper.
  • blaneblane Member Posts: 2,017
    If you want handsfree (Bluetooth) in the 3.5" diagonal screen size nüvi line, choose the 360. That's the only difference between it and the 350. Bluetooth clobbers battery life that would otherwise be used for navigation. Save some money and use an earbud with your cellphone.

    If you want a 4.3" diagonal screen with Bluetooth, choose the nüvi 660.

    TT510 does NOT have Text-To-Speech. The nüvi 350 and 360 DO.
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