CATs in Fords?
I have heard from semi-reliable sources that
Navistars contract with Ford runs out in five years
and Ford is supposedly negotiating with
Caterpillar. Any more reliable information out
there?
I think International is fine but can you
imagine CAT on the side of a Ford Super-duty? No
one would buy Dodge again!
Navistars contract with Ford runs out in five years
and Ford is supposedly negotiating with
Caterpillar. Any more reliable information out
there?
I think International is fine but can you
imagine CAT on the side of a Ford Super-duty? No
one would buy Dodge again!
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What planet are you from? When has GM had a more reliable tranny? Seriously?? In fact, the most fervent GM fans at this site acknowledge that the ideal marriage would be a GM gas motor with a Ford tranny. Problem about the diesels from GM is that they are unproven Don't believe any hype until they actually build the thing.
Knowing GM's POOR record of diesels--it would be prudent to wait.
Back to subject: Why would Cat sign? Maybe Ford can offer a better deal?? Ford has a higher demand for diesels to make it worth while for Cat.
Mpazos, why the hostility? I'm very impressed with your luck and loyalty but you have to admit the current GM diesels haven't held a candle to the Navistar, Cummins or for that matter even yours.
mpazos I two am impressed there are those that have no problems. Unfortunately they are few (damn fuel injector pumps). I personal suggest people not to buy 6.5 turbo diesel. Although it does give job security.
Angry Man, eh?? Next time you might want to cool off before ranting and telling someone to "screw" off. Try to have some class and take a higher road next time if in disagreement.
5000lb rig? So what? How many Navistars and Cummins have done that with their eyes closed? I am only reporting the obvious on that motor reputation. I was TOLD by a friend who worked for GM back in 94 NOT to buy their diesel. Nice. We ended up getting the Cummins and haven't been happier. Every time we work with other contractors--they always [non-permissible content removed] and moan without exception about their GM diesels. GEE--I wonder why?
You sound like the one guy who bought a Ram back in the 70-80's and swear up and down that it was the greatest truck ever. And I'm sure yours is but have you ever thought about why mighty GM couldn't sell the motor?
Go ahead and slam back, I won't be reading it. This is another topic you have screwed up.
You are an angry weenie. I'm not part of the 5 of your six clowns who tow boats. No--I work my trucks. Spam and ruining subjects? Who in the hell are you?? Go cry to yourself at home and keep telling yourself that you're special.
Class? Yeah--screw it, I try playing above the fray every once and awile but there is always some clown who feels inferior and gives me his "little" man complex.
Money? Who was talking about money? For All I know, you might have more than I do! When did I bring that up? Oh....You thought I was knocking your boat size? That's a new one. I was talking about the LOAD. Sensitive?
Ruining subjects? Hey knucklehead---I created this subject!!! Don't like what you see---don't post and mumble to yourself!
Man, now I know what ZBAD feels like sometimes....
Chevy dislikers and fans left the flock when the 94 was introduced. Trannys? I'll stick to my opinion. Alot of motorheads at C.C.racetrack and buildshops in Philly area tend to favor the Ford. I'll find out which one and get back to you.
By the way--WHAAAAA!! You hurt my Feelings and I feel inadeqate around your disagreement!! Screw Off!!! Whaaaaaaa!!!
Whoops! I think Mpazos took over the keyboard a minutte ago. Sorry.
LOL!!!
lvstang,
Does mpsos remind you of someone? Hmmmmm, I wonder.......
Check the other topic devoted to this.
old motor:
230 hp, 500 ft lb torque, 7.3 liter displacement
new motor claims
300 hp?, 505 ft lb torque, 6.0 liter diplacement.
as long as they are improving combustion and efficiency, the 6.0 is going to get better power out of a smaller engine. the engine should get 'Cummins-like' fuel economy, and be a much lighter engine, increasing truck payload, and reducing front end stress and wear.
Ford will also be introducing a 4.5L Powerstroke for the 6000-8600 GVWR vehicles. It will be introduced in the 2002 Expedition, followed by the Econonline and F-150/F250LD trucks. Ford expects to sell 50,000 of these baby diesels in 2003. The torque figures appear to be in the 345 range. My guess is that the biggest attraction of this diesel will be the improved mpg since you have a lot of car buyers moving up into SUVs and light trucks. As heavy duty pickup owners, most of us have crunched the numbers to figure the payback time of the diesel option vs the improved mpg. I don't expect this sector will care much about breakeven amounts. They just want to be able to say they are getting 20 miles to the gallon with their "truck".
A link with more info on both engines and some new vehicles (Explorer Sport-Trak) and engines (in-line 5) can be found at the site listed below. Somehow this site gets insider information. Ford has tried repeatedly to shut them down through the courts.
http://www.blueovalnews.com/engine_page.htm
As for GM, say you what you will about the reliability of the 6.5L, but there isn't a Chevy with the 6.5L and 4.10 axle ratio that is rated to tow more than 11,000 pounds, which is thousands of pounds below the tow ratings of Ford and Dodge.
Chevy looks like they are planning to make a serious effort to join the leap-frogging process with Ford and Dodge when they introduce their Isuzu diesel. However, it has yet to be seen if Chevy has the staying power to keep making advances in the diesel engine area every couple of years. Ford is at 500 ft-lbs now. Dodge is coming out with one in excess of that. The new Chevy will exceed the Dodge. The new Ford will exceed them both. Dodge will build a Cummins/tranny combo to beat that. Will Chevy be there when it's their turn? Not if they take as long to make a move as they took to go from the 6.5L to the Isuzu. Only time will tell.
there are of course rumors and things like that out, but nothing is official, so i dont know if i would say that ford will outdo anything or GM will either.
everyone knows that the PS and the cummins are great diesels. If i was in need of a truck that needed that much of an engine, i would go out right now and buy the PS, but isuzu has been making diesels for longer than more or less anyone(the PS and cummins) so they have the resources and everything to build it, and with the allison tranny in it, its gonna be one hell-of-a-truck, no doubt
i seriously doubt a diesel engine will go from 0-60 in 9.7 sec, thats unreal, the v-10 can barely do that
i just read that blueoval page or whatever.. they must have already produced one or something, because they sure do have a bunch of figures there, that would be pretty stupid to be "guessing" at all those figures, because some of those are fairly important.it says at the bottom internal ford documents, haha, thats too funny
GM hasnt released its specs on its diesel, so that would be pretty stupid to do the same for the ford
the cummins is good, but the tranny isnt worth it
Right now at this time, the Powerstroke rules the diesel market, but who knows when the newer versions come out. This market is gettting extremely competive, but ain't it cool!!
haha
ford must be scared of the new diesel coming out, because if they weren't then they wouldnt be spying and they wouldn't be redesigning the powerjoke, i mean powerstroke.
btw, if i had the option i would go and buy a PS right now, and i am a chevy person!!!
but i dont need that kind of power so i'll stick with my '99 Z-71
I hear you, however, how many times has GM gone back to the drawing room? They need too, look at their HD line.
Cdean,
You are right on.
i guess time will tell which one will work out to be the best
plus that 454 pulls all 14000#s like a demon...
Sorry, but I don't believe you. If you work for Detroit Diesel then why didn't they get one of their gems in the truck? 350,000 miles and "no" problems?? C'mon--what do you actually do to these trucks? Trust me, I wouldn't buy it from a Ford owner as well. Maybe you'll have information that will make me see the light, but until then...........
cdean,
I was actually trying to rile up any number of the clowns that call themselves Z71something.....
Your dad? I challenge that since it's a 99--it's still new. As for the 94 truck with the diesel---Yeah, well I was right, eh? That diesel IS NOT a good engine(sorry sover) and it's that simple.
I never doubted the 454 people. Read my post again. Despite one true testimonial and another a little more shady, I just don't buy it. Remember? I DID BUY IT???!!!! I have tried to make excuses for the past GM trucks of my fleet but to no avail to myself. Last time I bought one? Yeah, 1995 and maybe I should go out and take a look again but Chevy has never given me any reason. Why bother when Ford pops out a real HD truck with an engine that is comparable to the 454? (V-10) Dodge with the Cummins? Sorry guys, even kcram had a good story about some truck in Jersey but I need more than the occasional story. GM needs to do better and their big opportunity is coming up with the new HD line.
he's tickled pink about the '99, it handles great, pulls great, and is really surprising stable for being 14,000# and top heavy. several of the other service places in town bought nothing but powerstrokes in superduty's over the past years, but have now bought starting to buy chevy's with the 454s. Why? the diesels weren't that big of an advantage, and the GM truck is rated at the same weight and handles the same as the Ford. same mileage, around 10 mpg, cheaper engine by $4000, proven workhorse and tranny.
current longevity story from GM's, two trucks at my work right now, both half tons, both used as utility-do anything type of trucks. one is a '92 350 with manual: over 320,000 miles, only repair was U-joints. the other is a '93 with 350 auto, 260,000 miles, tranny rebuilt around 200K, no other probs other than some fluid leaks. 3 other company early 90's chevy's with 350s that all have between 120,000 and 200,000 miles, no probs on all.
my truck is a '94, i just hit 100,000. i tow ~4500 almost everyweekend. and i think i am going to finally have to replace those original brakes....
who needs a Cat in a Ford?
Cdean is talking about that "gem" that Detroit Diesel made for GM during the 90's.
cdean,
I won't argue the advantage of a 454 over the powerstroke. Alot of guys make out better getting gas over diesel. You have to weigh each engine and it's differences before buying for your own needs. The 454 is good. I never stated otherwise.
I dispute Chevys of the early 90's. I bought three 95 c1500 with the 350 block. You have heard my problems before so I'll streamline it. U-joints too early, axel/rear bearings gave way too early, wheel bearings a total joke, mislabeled rear, cracked block and brake pads every 15,000 miles. Yes, there are roofers driving them but somehow the Fords that were OLDER never gave me the headaches that those Chevys did. Maybe all three rolled of the line the same day and some union guy hated GM but I was disgruntled to say the least.
I guess we cancel each other out? Hey, I've been the "CHEVY-GUY" since highschool. It was the straight 6 and the 78 F-250 that won me over in the early days of my firm. I hated that 250 when I bought it. I got it because I couldn't afford the Chevy next to it at the used car lot. Talk about fate.
Look, I'm not a Chevy-hater. In fact, I still believe they make better gas motors and my dream truck would be the 454 in a Ford Super-Duty. It's preference that has built up because of actual usuage and not magazines and private ownership.
If Chevy builds a kick-[non-permissible content removed] HD next year as rumor has it, then I will take a serious look. Until then.......
brake pads every 15K? sounds like a Dodge...;)
cdean,
Oh yeah, my Dodges run through brakes as well....thank God I don't have that many of them.
It will be interesting to see how the new PSD will do against the Duramax. It sounds like the current PSD still made a reasonable showing against the Duramax. The Duramax clearly has a significant hp advantage over the current PSD, as well as a little more torque.
lol
But isn't that the fun in this forum?
I have recorded my mileage since new & have yet to get 12.5 loaded & is usualy 13.5.Empty I will get anywhere from 17 to 22 depending on speed.
The 454 the best he can get is 11.5 empty & 7 or 8 loaded.
We both have appr. same mileage on truck 26,000.
I wont deny the 454 or the 460 ford (which I owned & sold with 170,000 miles on it 91) are good motors & up until now have seved there purpose but unless you have pulled a heavy load with the power stroke you cant imagine the power (torque) they produce.
He also has trouble with it heating up when he really gets pulling up a long steep mountain pass
because he has to shift down & use horse power instead of torque. the power stroke has never heated up on the same hill & i wiil usually pass him on the hill if I end up behind him
Your diesel just happens to have lots of low RPM horsepower.