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  • libertycatlibertycat Posts: 593
    whatever is all you have to say.
  • libertycatlibertycat Posts: 593
  • ANT14ANT14 Posts: 2,687
    You mean you don't know what it'll be named?

    I think it's waayyyyy too early for that topic to be started yet, those plans have not, and will not be thoroughly announced till the end of the year, beginning of next year, at one of the major auto shows.

    And the Futura twin might NOT be exactly a 4 door sedan, it's still being studied.
  • libertycatlibertycat Posts: 593
    do u know the name or something? I think I have five good guesses on that conversation.
  • ANT14ANT14 Posts: 2,687
    The name hasn't been finalized, there's a few being tested on consumer groups. And "starting with M" doesn't count, since it's obvious it'll start with an "M".
  • libertycatlibertycat Posts: 593
    but don't u think some of my name guesses are possible?
  • libertycatlibertycat Posts: 593
    Volvo, Lincoln, Cadillac, Saab, Lexus, Acura, and Infiniti all make FWD cars. LOL!!!! See, Cadillac and Volvo aren't the only two.
  • ANT14ANT14 Posts: 2,687
    Anything with an M is pretty much possible. :-)
  • libertycatlibertycat Posts: 593
    Or Murderer. Wait a sec, what a great name for a Mercury. I can just see the advertisement. The new Mercury Murderer midsize sedan. It can take you anywhere you want to go and can murder anyone you want on the way. LOL!
  • f111df111d Posts: 114
    Hope the powers to be are smart enough to keep the ABS as an option. One less problem child. Car buff's can't even properly work on the system, one needs to be factory trained and use the proprietary Star tester and they're having trouble. (high labor charges) Costing cutting the components hadn't helped, as note from some Ham buddies who own factories supplying the auto industry. All manufactures are guilty.
    Once most folks have mastered or even half mastered "threshold braking" ABS is like swimming fully dressed. It be helpful in Winter conditions, but since I avoid the maintenance nightmare option, I'll never know.
    I posed this question to one of the Ford brake engineers that hangs out on site. Beside the fact he'd would be fired immediately if he said anything (auto industry must be worst than the Cold War goings on) he says no one knows for sure until the last minute.
    Geeze American business is in a terrible mess. This bottom line profits only thing? Whatever happened to the term "Earnings"?
  • ANT14ANT14 Posts: 2,687
    Unfortunatly threshold braking is just ONE too many things most people wouldn't A) Understand B) Try C) Attempt D) Master. Most people are not aware of the simple dynamics of their car, and what to do, and not to do.


    I had a friend who had an accident, called me to tell me she was ok, and that her car sucked because the airbags didn't inflate.... Her car did NOT have airbags.

    Someone in a RWD car who accelerated too hard to turn into a intersection, while raining. Caused it to spin 360.

    FWD driver who hit a curb at 30MPH (made car flip).

    Most typical: SUV driver's that freak and jerk the wheel. Causing them to flip and roll.

    People who have a blown out tire on the expressway and slam the breaks (causing total loss of control).

    So threshold breaking is one of those fine arts that when an emergency occurs, we KNOW they'll still get it wrong, slam the break, jerk the wheels, the yaw of the vehicle will be negatively distributed and in the end they'll still have an accident.

    GM is ending a year long decade of offering ABS as standard equipment, it's one of their cost cutting method. While Ford keeps ABS standard on their trucks/SUV's/Minivans, and higher trim versions of passenger cars. Personally, I like knowing that a there trucks have standard ABS in case I'm in a situation that can help them, and me out. As for passenger cars, at least I have a fare chance overall.

    It's one more thing that breaks down, but with the complexity of vehicles nowadays, it's quite hard to avoid that even in the simplest of vehicles.

    But regarding the vehicle, is it that your wanting to know of ABS will be optional or standard feature? And that your buddy wasn't able to confirm this?
  • f111df111d Posts: 114
    Yes, the Futura looks to be the closest to my Mystique LS (closest Ford offering bang for the buck drivers car Ford has ever offered.) I sure hope the Futura can live up to Mondeo's chassis? My LS is 5 years old now and through sharing of info/how to's & etc. on site, I see no reason not being able to keep it for another 10. One thing was the replacing the harmonic balancer with the DMD. (Dual mode) Sooooo much smoother! However the ole 89 Probe is getting tired.
    Me ( and my whole family) are big Ford buyers, first big reason our small town dealer. If you look at my profile, Dad got to drive his Lincoln LS for one year, but he never felt comfortable. He was a product of the depression and WW II and I too was raised with "learn to live within your means son".
    He liked the car, but that image thing! Anyway I wasn't impressed with the ABS.

    Yes the engineer only knows me through the web site, so I don't blame him for being careful.
    All he knew for sure, if someone says they know now, it's only speculation at best.
    I know our dealer complains about the uncertainty with just being able to order a car and the next day it he goes to offer that same package to another customer and Ford's made a change. Nope can't do that. Is it the competition or the organization's inability to deal with it's huge size??
    I'll shut-up for now, I have this problem, I feel people need to know why I do what I do?
    Oh yes, I sort learned to drive on gravel country roads and threshold braking was only part of the equation. Or course we didn't know it had a name, except it's how we stayed out of hot water with the ole man. Keep it on the road and the fenders didn't get crumpled.
  • ANT14ANT14 Posts: 2,687
    If you love your Mystique, chances are you'll love the Futura just as much. It'll be very european in handling and very controllable. I remember test driving one when they first came out in 95 I believe... I just grabbed that steering wheel and was shocked it was a Ford product being I wasn't used to anything from Ford feeling that way. I know 2 people that have them, a 96 and 98 model, and in my opinion, even if they have a few years on them, they drive much better than some of the "NEW" vehicles that have come out recently. To me I've always seen them as a real sporty sedan, for a great price.

    As for option groups, standard items, etc. Yes this person is correct. Some of those "toys" such as ABS and such, aren't known yet how they will be grouped till a few months before the initial release, and even then, some things can be switched around at the last minute. One major reason this is done, is to stay competitive with the competition. But before reaching this point, you also have supplier's that might, or might not have the capacity to fullfill a request. So the issue depends on them as well.

    For example, if let's say ABS is being thought of as standard, then the supplier's need to be notified if they can fullfill such a request. (If they expect sales of 200K units). And "what IFs" such as needing 20K more, because the vehicle is selling beyond what they thought. Or you have senarios where the supplier's might need a specific raw material/steel/etc. and maybe the truck union has a strike and slowing down shipment. ETC. at the last minute things can be switched around and Ford might state, "well, we'll make this item an option for now". Many variables to consider.

    In a perfect world, everything runs smoothly, and product launches go accordingly. Realistically, out of the millions of factors involved, 99.9% are solved before the product is released. And many times it's not the manufacturer, but a supplier issue as many of Ford's recalls have been. I just find it interesting how they usually don't release names of the supplier's in question, a little PR PC tidbit.
  • f111df111d Posts: 114
    Very interesting stuff Anthony, I'm not known to be exceptionally sharp, however you seem to have close ties to what's going on at Ford.
     a. Maybe this is one of the ways Ford's doing a "study" putting out feelers? If this is the case it's good to hear that someone is listening. Who did and why did the Contique's really get axed? Lot of rumors out there, not that it really matters. Many feel it was Mr. Nasser's empire building caused the demise and not the SUV fad greed factor of the 90's???
     b. You're part of a group that interfaces with vendors? If you are do you remember the Higher brothers from Ohio?
     c. If you have any pull, I'd sure like to get the specs on the RFI filter that an common TSB for the electric fuel pump specifies. That is one heck of a spark-gap generator. It's a 2 year long story and even through guys at Visteon ???? Either no ones really truly knows or I'm KGB! Actually a poor Ham "N8BUU" trying to use VHF in his car and not blow himself up trying out his own R & D! All I need is what frequency was the TSB RFI filter really designed. I need some sort of staring point. Been through all the usual avenues, I don't understand? You'd think I was asking for the codes to launch a Nuke!
    I did have a "secret-crypto" in the late sixties in Korea and I use to have black Mercedes following me around Germany? Maybe the words out, whatever that might be???? Hi Hi
     d. If you know Richard Parry-Jones tell him thanks for his fine chassis's and keep up the good work. I hope he's gets to influence the Futura? If so I'll buy one if I have to mortgage on my house!
    Paul Echelberger
    N8BUU give me your land line # I'll give you a ring. At your convenience
  • ANT14ANT14 Posts: 2,687
    A) There were various factors as to why the Contour got axed. Product overlap. The pricepoint of the vehicle was overlaped by the Escort (and then Focus) as well as Taurus. Therefore biting into sales that affected 2 higher selling models that might have caused them (and eventually did but NOT at Contours expense) their #1 seller bragging rights.

    The Focus was to be introduced, and space wise, it would have eclipsed that of the Contour. And it's backseat was another issue. American's buying philosophy (at that time or to some point still is) you pay for the price, according to the size. Which is why some people have a hard time fathoming spending $26K for a subcompact Jetta. Or like some other's can't comprehend by the Focus (small to most) and Supermini's, sell so well in Europe, YET are loaded with intensive gadgets. It's more about quality over quantity, and the Contour had quality over quantity at a time people weren't willing to accept.

    As you may know, because they do speak about such things in the Contour website you mentioned, I don't wish to repeat myself for what you might have heard there. But overall, being a world car, it was trying too hard to be what everyone around the globe wanted. And not executed as best as it could have. BUT the Focus fullfilled that mission, and done great (around the globe) considering it's the highest selling passenger car in the world. While for us it's considered a "entry vehicle" or "economy vehicle" in Europe it's a 2nd step up vehicle, since the Fiesta is their 'entry vehicle'...

    A bit of product shuffle, yet it has worked quite well. I myself would have loved the Mondeo to be an entrant in the N.A. market, but that's do to other reasons. Unfortunatly Jac Nasser left a legacy of issues behind, and it's still being cleaned up.

    Now, being the platform of the Mazda6 is engineered to tailor pretty much any market, the vehicle can be flexible enough to offer it as a mid-size sedan, and quell the concerns of N.A. buyers. Since the news of the Futura has erupted, I've seen numerous people saying "but the Mazda6 is too small" thinking it's just a rebadge job when it's truely not.

    B) Nope, not involved with vendor groups.

    C) I'm suprised no one at has been able to answer the RFI filter question, although I'm not familiar with alteration or repairs or warranty related issues unless it's brought to my attention. But if there's people blowing up their gas tanks, do you think it's something you would wish to further investigate?

    D) I'm all for Richard Parry Jones, (for those who might not know) he is credited for vehicles such as Ford Fiesta, Ford Mondeo, Ford Focus, Jaguar S-Type, Jaguar X-Type and Lincoln LS. He oversees worldwide product/development/design, etc. I just hope the other higher brass at Ford "work" with him, and let him continue on his find performance. My only issue happens to be with the beancounters , that might cause an issue and hamper development.

    You shouldn't mortgage a house over a car. A car depreciates, whereas a house appreciates over time. And with some of the 0% down deals, and/or financing up to 6 years, EH it's all possible. :-)
  • ANT14ANT14 Posts: 2,687
    Speaking of, this story relates to the product of the Futura and where it could be built.

    Source: Automotive News
  • f111df111d Posts: 114
    Just delivered our 3 month old grandson back to mom and dad. Had to move the passenger seat forward to get the little guy's seat to snap into place. Of course this wasn't an issue when I ordered the car. Child safety seats have definitely created a different car buying decisions, than when our two boys were kids. Understand why my daughter-in-law wanted a mini-van. She truly loved her Civic, but no way now. Man those rear facing child seats take up a ton of space. Really pointed out what you've being talking about.
    What really bother's me is the economics of the mini-van, so many more families would benefit from the mini-van space.
    Practical, utilitarian, affordable/economical vehicles have got to be the industries biggest challenge? Nightmare might be more appropriate? Especially when I think of the image issue which to me is way more important in NA. than it should be. IMHO SUV's &&^^$#$%
       Since I was raised by parents who grew up it in the depression era and dad was a very patriotic survivor of Iwo Jima, I have a strong angst towards waste and lack of pride.
    Sort of a "semi tree-hugger" mentality. A steward of the land, I like to think, with a logical/common sense approach. This SUV craze just bits!
        So if the Futura some how manages to have useable back seat or the option to have one built-in?, be economical/affordable and still be drivers car, it should be a big hit. Of course now that I just remembered the 60's horse-power race, can marketing sway the buying public, that practical, affordable and fun to drive is cooler than sitting up high? (and Ohio winter driver's supposed savoir 4wd) Not sure if that's possible? Like Mazda's Hmmmmmm--Oh whata RPJ feeling!!!
         This country seems to be so much more diverse than during the WW II generation. Now I know why growing-up my elders preached about keeping an open mind, do it right the first time, pride etc.. WW II generation is/was a much more forward thinking group than us rebellious 60's gen realized.
       OOPS getting sentimental, see now????, what was I talking about?
        Anyhow I think my statement about mortgaging the house for a car was just my failed attempt at (English composition/communicating my real feelings thing). ****
    I'd be absolutely tickled if the Futura is a driver's car. Yes let's hope the bean counters don't blow it? (I have a feeling this caused most of problems for the Contique's in NA. IMHO) because I know this country had/has a fine group of engineers. Tell me this (your opinion)
    how is it then the Japanese vehicles have been so reliable? Japanese's governments funding early on, but after that. Or this reliability thing a figment of everyone's imagination. The 89 vintage Japanese vehicles seem to have more value/reliability than the present. IHMO
     Why is it we Americans aren't allowed to have pride in our jobs/work, as I noticed in Deutschland? 69-70 era? A product of the times we live in???
     I recently met a former U-boat sailor at Lowes (weird/ironic/neat experience) who was retired tool-die maker from the GM body panel plant in our area. He travels every year to the U-boat reunions, he was not proud of his country. That was definitely a shock to me, since my wife's grandparents left Germany before the war, so I'm well acquainted of that generations pride in their country (Not Hitler's Germany)
    Several PBS programs indicate that Japanese present generation's ethics have slipped,also.
    Maybe it's just a product of realizing/understanding ORF's really don't like change or maybe it's because my WW II baby-boomers generation is not being catered to anymore Hmmmm spoiled? Hi Hi It's get soooo confusing trying to keep an open mind!!
        I'm a little crank-up today, yesterday I did something I managed to stay out of during my 67-70 stint in the Army --- a 10 minute ride in a Huey and in the gunner's seat to boot. Not something that was possible to the public until a few years ago. a Ist Cav's Huey with 1296 mission's in Nam . Obviously many hours of restoration!

    Paul Echelberger
    You own a dealership????

    **** It's only took me 2 hrs w/spell check and the good ole word processor program assisting to finally get it right. I hope! Like I said about keeping an open mind!!!
    One more thing the how about Ford offerings
     How about this a winter drivers option (dealer installed even) in lieu of the 4wd a Torsen diff. Ford could go back to rear wheel drive cars (much cheaper to build etc etc????) RWD because that dreaded torque steer issue. The bias ratio for FWD application, from my understanding can't be high enough. I got dad's ole 93 E-150 I love to give it a try out, first hand feel. Trying to find a $deal$ on a Torsen and some many I've asked have poop-pood the idea. (Mainly IMHO lack of or no experience using) No electronics/sensors just plain simple gears I know many vehicle's have used it quite successfully. I know the Hummers use three, man I wish the little ole 1/4 ton Jeeps I had to use would have a Torsens. I've experience the limited-slip/maintenance hog rear ends, I feel from comments (I've heard and not actually use though) that the Torsen would be the the real deal. Especially when the quantity issue bought the price down. It must be like the ABS issue Anthony, that the industry favors the electronic traction control stuff on 4wd? How hard could it be to at least offer this for the work F-models. The extra cost of the 4wd and MPG/maintenance issue (economics) the guy trying to make a living with his pick-up would like to try it. I know so many full size truck owners need the size and limited off road abilities for construction, farmer and etc, that have to travel so far any more to keep working. This Torsen option would be the bang for the buck for them and the gas/budget crunch their in.
    Just remembered dad raving about getting up his driveway cause of the traction control on his Lincoln LS. However after I drove it the winter of 2001 it had to spin way too much before it kick in. The tires were new the winter of 2000 that dad drove it. The Torsen would be soo much better from winter drivers. Bang for the buck IMHO semi-treehugger's point of view.
    Ah yes the other issue wrong or worn tires on SUV's!!!
    Sure hope you're doing marketing research after all this I'm exhausted Hi hi 3hours now

  • libertycatlibertycat Posts: 593
    thanks for the link.
  • ANT14ANT14 Posts: 2,687
    So far the entire interior dimensions of the Futura are not even in the ballfield at this moment. Right now it's the "this is our mission, this is the platform, let's make it work" senario... By summer of 2004, the sizes, weights, etc. should be closer to finalization.

    Funny you mention the babyseat issue, recently my friends had the day off (teachers work day) and they decided to go out and shop. I was nominated to drive. We had the choice of 03 Saturn L300 or 02 Focus, thinking the Saturn was bigger, they all movies their baby seats onto that vehicle. Well, it was quite a tight fit, I wasn't able to move my seat that far back. So my other friends said "let's try the Focus"... amazingly, the Focus was able to swallow everyone much more comfortably with the babyseats in their places. And the trunk was huge enough to fit their respective stroller's, as well as all the junk we all bought at the mall. (To be fair, the Saturn trunk is 17.5 cu.ft., even larger).

    Minivans I believe are the best compromise between versatility (can use it to pretty much move anything you need, toe a boat up to 3500lbs), it seats 7-8 comfortably, etc. Unfortunatly it has a soccer mom stigma, or many perceive it that way. Compared to SUV, their gas milage are better, and overall the ride is better.

    Now in my personal opinion, I don't think they have been exploited as best as they could be. Meaning, a Car based, RWD, V8 engined minivan, I believe. I'm not talking about Chevy Astro here either, being it's truck based. But with the sophisticated traction/stability systems out there, RWD is making a comeback. Couple that to V8 power which I believe ANY vehicle over 4000lbs should have standard. You might think, the V8 is a bit much... But in the case of the Explorer V6, to Explorer V8 gas milage is pretty much the same... Why? V6 has to work that much harder, to make up for power. The V8 is a much relaxed cruiser = last longer.

    Eventually a manufacturer will stick a V8 into their minivan, for torque sense (not just horsepower) I just wonder who's willing to make the bold move first. :-) Which related me to your next question....

    Competition makes good manufacturer's, better.

    As you asked, why are Japanese manufacturer's seen as more reliable. Mainly it's their efficiency. See, when a detroit automaker renovates/reinvents a vehicle, every possily part is improved, replaced, exchanged, etc. This causes NUMEROUS items that can go wrong, NOT because of their fault necessarily, but because of the supplier's. It's NOT just a manufacturer that changes a specific part, it's the supplier who needs to fit those requirements, and make them within a time period that it'll be ready for production.

    Japanese usually use the same parts over and over, their thinking is "if it's not broken, let's not fix it". So numerous components in their vehicles, are carried over. Maybe some slight improvements in the engine, and body structure, but that's mainly it. Ford has just announced they will start this new philosphy, since it's worked well for the japanese manufacturer's.

    Platforms are also another issue, if you look at a current Accord/Camry, their basic platform pretty much dates back numerous years. But they designed back them, to be flexible, and be allowed to "grow" without minimal weight added. As example, let's take a 86 Taurus platform, that was increased to become the Lincoln Continental, and in the process it added up weight into the 4000lbs. zone.

    Here's a tip I've learned when a platform is becoming dated and something massive will need to be done about it, check when the platform was last engineered, if since then it's grown about 300-400 lbs, in it's current state (sedan form, minivan form, etc) it's TIME to get a new one.

    Mustang fits this senario perfectly, throughout ALL these years, it's ballooned 500lbs+, NOT bad considering it dates back to 1979, but it gives us a clue. And on the other extreme, new RX330. While the Camry platform is a good platform overall and can be tailored to pretty much anything, in this senario, the vehicle will require something VERY different, in it's next reincarnation. It just gained about 400 lbs.

    Their factories are also quite efficient overall, just as a house... if you build a good foundation, everything else you put into the structure will hold up well. Unfortunatly (because of other issues) the american manufacturer's haven't updated most of their factories yet. From the Big3, Ford is the one that's ahead in this situation, NOT just in N.A., but all over the world. And they are beginning to use "supplier parks", meaning the components will be available, onsite, instead of having a huge stock, or short stock, or waiting for parts to be delivered. Flexible manufacturing systems where multiple vehicles are built within the same assembly line, allows for vehicle production to be changed between on to another, depending on sales at that time.

    Japanese manufacturer's also do not have the massive union issues that american manufacturer's do. The UAW makes it very hard to stay competitive. The UAW is seen as a spoiled/only child. If they do not get what they want, then he's not going to do as you wish him you do. Personally, they need a good spanking. And unfortunatly, for every "give" the Big3 give to their demands, silently hundreds are jobs are added to their Mexican or Canadian plants. In reality, the UAW is burning their own bridges, and a reality check is soon in order. We'll see how the next UAW meeting coming up soon, pans out. The new President Gelterfelder (sp?) is acting stuff, in a situation that dictates compromise, not the spoiled brat syndrome.

    Then you have the biggest issue of all (in my opinion) media, auto-journalists, analysts. They are a big influence on consumer's obviously. And their bias is quite evident in their publications. Take for example (I've used this example before) Consumer Reports publication. Newly renovated Accord debuts, it's not out for one month, and they give it a high rating. YET the Aviator (essentially an Explorer with a larger engine) receives a "too new to rate" rating. Go figure....

    Or in numerous other publications I have read, such as Car and Driver, Motortrend. They'll call a platform "dated" if it's in a domestic vehicle that's 3 years old, yet when the same applies to another foreign brand, on a 4 year old platform, it's considered "warmed over", "efficient". I call it bias.

    Most common example, between Pontiac and BMW's red interior illumination. On Pontiac (QUOTE) it was called "Garish", yet on the BMW it's called "insightful, easy to read".

    BMW has had over 11 recalls on their X5, Focus has had almost just as many, yet on the newspaper or on local news, you will see the Focus being reported, NOT the X5. Civic itself has had quite a bit of recalls, yet they are done silently, and the media hardly ever heard of it. Yet even when one dome
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    Great info, once again ANT. Wonder if you've read Mary Walton's book, CARS? (The 5 year story of the 96 Taurus development). I found it very enlightening on a lot of levels. Mostly, after reading what you have to do to build a car, it's a wonder the darn things run at all! A miracle, actually, and here we are arguing about which switch feels better... I gained a lot of compassion for the DN101 team in the end. But, if you've read it, do you feel it was pretty accurate from what you've seen?

    Personally, I hated the looks of the
    Taurus redesign. Too girly for me, so I never gave the new Taurus/Sable even a decent lookover when they came out. Other than renting them from time to time, I still haven't. After reading the book, Ford evidently had a car better than Camry in almost every respect when they got done. I feel badly, I gave the old girl no respect when she debuted. When the first Taurus came out, a relative let me keep their new 96 LX over the weekend, and I was totally hooked. HAD to have one for me, 87 Sable, and bought an 87 Sable and 5 Tauruses for the company. I felt they were unexcelled in their time. But I thought they got cheapened from them to now. The last Sable I rented was a dismally decorated car. Oh, it ran fine, if not ploddingly, but very uninspiring. I commented to my wife how sad I was to see them decontent such a great car to that level..... But, also, I have to dial in that I now drive Lincolns, and I'm used to those. Anyway, I digress badly here. Do you know of the book?
  • ANT14ANT14 Posts: 2,687
    No I haven't read the book. I actually dislike reading (for pleasure) because I'm constantly reading everyday. This stemmed from my childhood actually, I was amazed how I was able to graduated school and university by using just Cliff Notes, that gives you an idea how bad it was.

    I wasn't too fond of the styling from the 96-99 generation Taurus. It was a bit too "much" for my taste. Ironically, the current Taurus's styling I simply love. I believe THAT should have been the styling that should have taken place for 1996. The froggy eyed look, ovoid overkill, and droppy butt elements do not do well for sedan consumers.

    Unfortunatly, the product became discontented and earned less praise due to Jac Nasser's FAULT for not improving or concentrating on the vehicle. He was concentrating too much on SUV's and premium brands.

    But yes, every possible component of a car is studied. For example, the Focus' switches were tested on older consumers, and glove wearing consumers, to see if they were simple to use. And if the tactile feel was good enough. If it has "quality" touch and texture to it. And that's becoming such an issue, where a doors "thump" is tested over and over, to make sure it has a quality sound to it. Down to how a vehicles trunklid shuts/opens, to the fluidity action a glovebox door travels.

    Then once you find a solution, or a choosing for a particular component, it's the hope that the supplier is able to duplicate it, that many units over where the quality is consistant.

    But that's just one of numerous factors involved, which is why so many "teams" are required for each process, which is why more vehicles are using more common components from one to another, lowering development costs, as well as complexity in manufacturing it.
  • libertycatlibertycat Posts: 593
    I LOVE the current Taurus's styling and think it is one of the best styled vehicles on the market today. Does anyone agree? However the 96-99's were GROSS. Yuck, I hated that generation. And the wagon keeps the oval rear side windows and ugly rear end. Come on, ANT, why didn't they totally restyle the wagon too? I've always wondered that. I saw the wagon in a 2000 brochure and was VERY surprised at the rear end of it. If it weren't for that, I'd prefer the wagon to the sedan. Still, every year I hope for a restyled wagon, although I know that's not going to happen. Whoa! Hold on a sec. There isn't going to be a Futura or Five Hundred wagon. I never thought about this. Amazing that Ford is totally switching to car and truck based SUVs now. Wow! Oh, except for the current Focus and the Fusion, which is too small to be an SUV, just a compact wagon.
  • ANT14ANT14 Posts: 2,687
    Ironically, Ford sells the most station wagons of any other manufacturer. This is NOT including it's Volvo brand, just FORD brand itself. Add Volvo into the equation and overall Ford Company, has the most station wagon offerings of any other manufacturer.

    Ford is limited as to what it can do styling wise to the station wagon, changing the tailgate design would require quite a bit of investment, therefore the most they can do is change the light assembly/configuration.

    Yes the Five Hundred will have a station wagon version, it's called the Freestyle :-)
  • libertycatlibertycat Posts: 593
    from reviews so far. To test you, do u consider Chrysler Pacifica a wagon? And yes, I realized they had the most wagons and that is way cool. Don't call them station wagons, just wagons, as STATION wagons don't make sense anymore.
  • ANT14ANT14 Posts: 2,687
    What test? It's all a crossover segment. Just how I see the Pacifica as a crossover. Personally I find it a bit rediculous someone pays $40K for a shrunken minivan (that IS the platform it stems from) and only seats 6. At least the Freestyle will one up them using a totally new platform (for Ford brand) and be able to seat at least 7.
  • libertycatlibertycat Posts: 593
    is at that price. Crossovers are all (with the exception of Allroad and XC70 wagons) car-based mid-size SUVs in my mind. I hate the term CROSSOVER when in reality they are just mid-size SUVs built on a unitbody platform.
  • ANT14ANT14 Posts: 2,687
    Well different markets cater to different tastes, at least the consumer can't say there's no choice.
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