I put a deposit down on a car that my dealer had already ordered - should be in next week. Tungsten Fusion SEL V6 - Medium Light Stone Interior with every option - SEL Premium Package, Comfort/Convenience Package, Leather, Moonroof, ABS, Traction Control, Heated Seats, Audiophile Stereo. X plan price - $24,413 minus rebates (at least $500 - not sure about the Ford Credit cash).
Well, It really doesn't matter if people on the web think the Fusion is perfect or not. The general public reaction to the car has been Crazy !!!!!!!!!!
They're not selling like hotcakes here in Atlanta yet, which is good - otherwise they probably wouldn't take X plan. Each dealer has only gotten a few so far - maybe they're shipping more to other parts of the country. I think now that the ads have started and they're getting more inventory that sales will pick up dramatically.
That's interesting [arkirby] I'm in ATL as well. All I've seen are the ones on the lot. However, I dunno if you read this. But the AJC, did a article in last sundays newspaper, on getting a car In Georgia. It basically stated that GA could be one of the worst places to buy a car. Because, dealers mark the price out of this world. For example, the V8 Mustang selling for $28,000 instead of $25-26,000. Also, I haven't seen not one commercial for the car on TV either. The only thing I've seen is on the net. I guess they are having a hard time dealing with demand or something I dunno. In either case, it seems the Fusion has struck a very positive nerve with people.
The teaser ads just started last Sunday night. The full blown ads are probably another month away. No need to do full blown advertising until there are more cars on the lots to sell.
"All I've seen are the ones on the lot."
Where else would you expect to see one? Or were you referring to the lack of advertising?
I haven't read the article but I don't think GA is any worse than other large cities - it's still a function of supply and demand. And a lot of it has to do with the specific dealer.
I picked up a Milan brochure (portfolio?) the other night. It's a weird set-up of multiple loose pages held together in a cardboard sleeve. From it, though, I've gathered that you can choose your interior from about 30 different color/texture combinations (all plays on the basic grey/beige/black palette). Not sure how that all works, but it [the Milan] appears to be customizable - at least along a few parameters. Like the little Saabaru wagon, you can get contrasting dark (black) and light (beige or gray) two-tone upholstery in cloth - very cool. Not sure how that would look with the fake aluminum dash trim though...
On a different note, I really wonder about how accurate these reported EPA mpg ratings are in respect to the stick vs. auto debate. I just think there's too much variability with sticks. With an auto it's more cut and dry as the car is choosing the upshift points. With a stick, driving style is a much bigger factor.
I, for one, am an early upshifter. When I'm not passing or merging, I'm in the highest gear possible without lugging the engine. E.g., when driving in a 45 zone in my current car if can cruise comfortably in 4th or 5th, I'll choose fifth but I know folks out there that would cruise along in fourth under identical conditions. Thus, it makes me wonder, how long do they hang on each gear when accelerating for those EPA tests and when at cruise, are they erring on the side of the lower or higher gears? My theory is they're erring on the side of caution by selecting the lower gears when there is a choice and upshifting later rather than earlier when accelerating. Better to promise less and deliver more than vice versa, right? Again, it's just a theory.
I ended up with one of those oddities too. But, I think the page you are referring to was for the entire Mercury line, not just the Milan. Not sure why they included it though.
Thus, it makes me wonder, how long do they hang on each gear when accelerating for those EPA tests and when at cruise, are they erring on the side of the lower or higher gears?
I would presume they are in the highest gear possible to maximize economy. What gets me is that I read in Car and Driver last night that the EPA test is based on an acceleration rate of 3.3 mph per second. So 0-60 takes 18 seconds. How many of us actually do that??
As I said in my post, the Lincoln may very well be a fine car, in fact, I expect it to be at least a good car. It's just that the typical review by Edmunds or most other sources will point out some things that could be improved, even in cars they love. This review did not, and it even went so far as to make a pretty darned weak attempt to distract from the issue of the Zephyr's somewhat underpowered (compared ot the competition) V6.
The Zephyr is mostly a known quantity at this point. We know what the engine and chassis can do from the coverage of the Fusion. Sure Lincoln will have their own customizations, but the Zephyr isn't going to be a night and day change from the Fusion. You'd expect some of the complaints about the Fusion to show up in a Zephyr review, that's all. I'm sure a full review of this car will reveal a few areas that could stand improvement; it was just strange to see such a grand slam preview of a car that's setting fairly low expectations in the industry.
Trust me, I'm a Ford guy from way back, so I notice when the imports get the red carpet treatment when they don't deserve it. If this were a Lexus review my reaction would be the same, especially if it were a Lexus that we all knew was only changed slightly from the Toyota platform it was based on.
My beloved '92 Accord that I've owned since new (use as second car now) is white and has blue interior. It's a bit "too" blue (think- SMURF), but I kinda like it. I also remember back when Accords had an interior color called red-brown, it was more brown but looked really good.
The old red and burgandy interior of domestic cars (especially GM) is pretty ugly, but I bet someone could come up with something appealing that isn't gray, beige or black.
P.S.- Kudos to Ford for offering the Fusion with black interior in addition to the standard issue gray and beige.
Congrats! You'll have to give us an update after you get it! Hopefully you will get the $500 Ford Credit Cash I read about, not sure how the X Plan affects that.
akirby- Just curious which dealer you're buying from, if you don't mind. I'm in Atlanta also and have dealt with several local dealers in the past (mostly helping family).
The EPA apparently has their own spec's for upshifting. However, they allowed manufacturers to test based on an earlier upshift IF they car is equipped with an upshift recommendation light. I believe VW was one of the first to have this, then they took it out, currently the Ford Focus and Cobalt have it.
I get quite good mileage by driving conservatively and "reading" the traffic ahead - I can easily beat the EPA "combined" mileage rating by a good amount (having a mostly freeway commute helps). I have less luck with automatics, which I attribute to two factors: 1. the automatics these days won't upshift early, and they downshift easily; and 2. I drive an automatic harder - with the stick shift, a lot of cars beat me away from traffic lights (I let them) but with an automatic I am keepin up with them, or passing them. Go figure.
BTW, I will accelerate up to redline when called for by traffic. Just I don't do this all the time.
What gets me is that I read in Car and Driver last night that the EPA test is based on an acceleration rate of 3.3 mph per second. So 0-60 takes 18 seconds. How many of us actually do that??
Actually that sounds about like how the majority of people drive...and I am tired of being behind them :mad: .
The "shift light"...I had this in a 1886 Horizon. This was supposed to tell the driver when they could shift and it would lead to really early shifts if you actually shifted when it came on.
I tend to accelerate much faster with a manual than an automatic and I also shift at higher rpm than an automatic would.
Yeah, it might be underpowered. However, If Lincoln changed the gearing ratio around in the tranny it would make it a little quicker. Remember in the preview, the editor said the Zephyr was cruising at 80MPH around 2,400 RPM. that's incredibly low for 80MPH. If your cruising at 2,400 RPM at 80MPH that means you have the entire power band to play with.
I understand what your saying, but there are cute little tricks you can do to a tranny and make a car a little faster. Also, Lincoln made the walls of the V6 a little thicker than that of the Fusion/Milan to make it smoother and quieter. It's no telling what else they may have done.
At one time they were putting a "shift light" on some manual transmission cars.
The Saturn ION still has one of these shift lights. I remember back in the early/mid-'80s they were in just about every compact and smaller. Annoying as hell!
Where else would you expect to see one? How about driving down the street on a test drive. Or somebody just got it new with temp tags. That is where else I might see one.
Trust me, I'm a Ford guy from way back, so I notice when the imports get the red carpet treatment when they don't deserve it. If this were a Lexus review my reaction would be the same, especially if it were a Lexus that we all knew was only changed slightly from the Toyota platform it was based on.
The Lexus Es330. I'm guessing the only real complaint that you can say about the Fusion to this point is the interior might not be appealing to everybody. lincoln made a point to make sure the Zephyr has an extremely well executed Interior. One complaint I've heard about the Fusion, is that the steering wheel feels heavy. The Zephyr has speed sensitive steering from what I understand. So I'm guessing Lincoln may have covered all the real weakness of the Fusion/Milan.
I've been thinking I'd probably see one on the road anytime now, but if dealers have only sold 10 or 12 each (maximum) then that's only 100 or so in a city of four million. Odds aren't that great yet.
So not seeing them on the roads doesn't necessarily mean they're not selling. They just don't have that many to sell yet.
As I said in my post, the Lincoln may very well be a fine car, in fact, I expect it to be at least a good car. It's just that the typical review by Edmunds or most other sources will point out some things that could be improved, even in cars they love. This review did not, and it even went so far as to make a pretty darned weak attempt to distract from the issue of the Zephyr's somewhat underpowered (compared ot the competition) V6.
Hey It's not how much you have. It's what you do with it that counts. LOL PS please don't go into the gutter people LMAO
I just realized something kinda odd. The significantly larger and heavier Ford Five Hundred has 18 hp less than the Fusion. They both have a 3.0L V6. Is it the same V6 in both cars?
I've been thinking I'd probably see one on the road anytime now, but if dealers have only sold 10 or 12 each (maximum) then that's only 100 or so in a city of four million. Odds aren't that great yet.
So not seeing them on the roads doesn't necessarily mean they're not selling. They just don't have that many to sell yet.
True, and in ATL car dealership are all over the place. I'm serious they are like Mcdonald's, it seems like there's one on every corner.
I just realized something kinda odd. The significantly larger and heavier Ford Five Hundred has 18 hp less than the Fusion. They both have a 3.0L V6. Is it the same V6 in both cars?
Well you could say that, however. The engine in the 500 is the base 3.0 V6 that's been around sense the Taurus. Obviously, Ford didn't want the 500 to be a barn burner with only 201hp. The F/M/Z have the same 3.0 V6 but the engine has been modified with VVT, and dual exhaust, so the HP is up to 221HP. Like you stated the F/M/Z are a lot lighter and smaller, with sportier tuned suspension. so the F/M/Z are going to give the driver a more spirited drive.
With X plan you get whatever incentives are in place at the time of sale. In fact the dealer isn't allowed to keep any incentives - even dealer cash. Can't tell if the Ford Credit bonus cash will be available but if it is I'll get it (then I'll make 3 payments and refinance with my credit union).
The 500 will get the 3.5L but not right away - the F/M/Z gets it first. The 500 isn't designed to be sporty so it doesn't really need the extra oomph (from a marketing perspective).
The single biggest gripe in every review I've read is that the Five Hundred is underpowered, especially compared to its main competitors. That's actually true considering the volume model Chrysler 300 has 250hp, the Toyota Avalon has 280hp and the Buick Lacrosse has 240hp.
Personally, I'd pick the Five Hundred based on looks alone over any of those, but it is slightly less responsive than those cars. Ford has even stated that more power is on the way (assuming they mean the 3.5L).
I suppose the reason for giving the F/M/Z the 3.5L earlier is due to the much higher expected sales volumes. Many of its competitors do have more power. But the Fusion will do 0-60 in 7.2 seconds. I doubt many mid-size buyers would want much more than that.
I remember seeing a chart online somewhere about a year ago that showed the F/M/Z getting the 3.5L around 5/06 and the Five Hundred/Montego getting it roughly a year later.
Anyone know when the 3.5L will actually be introduced?
Hey I was floating around the Internet and I found this very interesting website called "Grown and Sexy" featuring the Ford Fusion. I'm a marketing major and I was wondering. Do you think this Hip-Hop type of marketing will appeal to African Americans, or younger people ???
Ya know, I really don't get this chronic complaint on this car, and mostly on the 500. I rented a 500 from Hertz in San Diego today, and drove it to Las Vegas. For those of you who aren't familiar with this 6 hour drive through boredom, there is one particular 18 mile long grade just past Baker California, that is a real test of an automobile's strength - many cars have to turn off their A/C so as not to overheat, in fact there's a sign at the bottom telling drivers to do just that. Not only did my 500 take this grade with the A/C on, it took it with one downshift, never lost speed, the cruise control stayed on and the heat guage didn't even move, and when I got to Vegas, I had just under half a tank of fuel left, from San Diego! Now I don't call that car underpowered, and I've driven many a car up that grade that have died on the way, or needed to creep up at 45 mph with the A/C off to make it. I went up it at 80 mph. It may not be a rocket - but it's got enough, and the gas mileage for a large car like that was outstanding. I say, way to go Bill! That car's a winner. I'm sure the Zephyr is just as good. If it only didn't have that damn prop rod......
The first vehicle to receive the Duratec35 will be the next Lincoln Aviator to be introduced in the Spring. Then the F/M/Z trio will receive it next. The 500 received it a year later to coincide with it's mid-life refreshening which will also include a new more aggresive front fascia.
This Aviator is starting to sound pretty appealing to me.... It may be just what the wife needs, or maybe what I need - we'll see.....when we can see it....
Ooooooh, I hate heavy steering......I like creamy steering..... That would be a deal breaker, especially combined with the prop rod...
Hey your the playa, save up your pennies and get the Zephyr. It has speed sensitive steering, so no heavy steering. Also, take into account what I said. I've "heard" (better yet read) some reviews complain about it being a little heavy. However, C & D found it to be "linear and accurate" so hey don't take my word for it. Try it out for yourself, It might not be heavy to you at all. Like I said before, I take what the media says for a grain of salt. To each it's own I guess. So don't let that be a deal breaker for you that's all I'm saying, just be aware some people said, "to them" it seemed heavy.
I have enough experience to know, that "linear and accurate" for C/D, is usually uncomfortably heavy for me, but you're right - I'll try one for myself.
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I've been driving my Fusion SEL V-6 automatic since 10/4 with about 2,000 miles now. This car is perfect, hood prop and all. My ONLY complaint/fault would be the lack of a rear reading or footwell lighting.
Styling, price, comfort, ride, steering, quality, quietness, are all outstanding and to think you get all of this for that price. Ford has an absolute winner.
PS-Live on the Maryland side of the DC area and I have only seen 1 other Fusion on the road besides mine and that was yesterday. I have not seen any TV ads on the major channels, ABC, NBC, CBS or FOX. Did see one on a cable channel earlier in the week.
Do you think this Hip-Hop type of marketing will appeal to African Americans, or younger people ???
That's their plan I guess. Remember, Ford was doing a series of concerts and are probably doing much localized promotion - ie parking Fusions near club areas, et al.
Once again, the Lincoln Zephyr surprised the press. The editor was Initially under whelmed by the initial appearance of the car to say the least. At the end of the review seemed to be kind of impressed. I thought it was really stupid, when the editor was whining about the Zephyr not having adaptive headlights that turn around the corner. SO WHAT thats nothing to complain about you moron. But hey, the Zephyr caught the eye of the 25 year old guy Monroe in midtown Manhattan. What is up with that terrible picture at the top of the screen, you can barely see the car.
in Rear reading lights? ALso, to fusion owners, is there a trunk light, how about glovebox?
Honeslty, these thingsa are dealbreakers for me. Those little details are very important, and if Ford is saving so much money hiring Mexicans to build this car, they should include lights.
That said the car is awesome. 2nd place in a C&D test. The honda won. Of course it won, open up a C&D mag and someware somehow a honda will win something. Meybe honda helped them get established?
I think it does have a glovebox light. But seriously - that's a dealbreaker? You can fix that with 2 small flashlights from the dollar store. It may be annoying but I'd hardly consider it a dealbreaker.
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"All I've seen are the ones on the lot."
Where else would you expect to see one? Or were you referring to the lack of advertising?
I haven't read the article but I don't think GA is any worse than other large cities - it's still a function of supply and demand. And a lot of it has to do with the specific dealer.
On a different note, I really wonder about how accurate these reported EPA mpg ratings are in respect to the stick vs. auto debate. I just think there's too much variability with sticks. With an auto it's more cut and dry as the car is choosing the upshift points. With a stick, driving style is a much bigger factor.
I, for one, am an early upshifter. When I'm not passing or merging, I'm in the highest gear possible without lugging the engine. E.g., when driving in a 45 zone in my current car if can cruise comfortably in 4th or 5th, I'll choose fifth but I know folks out there that would cruise along in fourth under identical conditions. Thus, it makes me wonder, how long do they hang on each gear when accelerating for those EPA tests and when at cruise, are they erring on the side of the lower or higher gears? My theory is they're erring on the side of caution by selecting the lower gears when there is a choice and upshifting later rather than earlier when accelerating. Better to promise less and deliver more than vice versa, right? Again, it's just a theory.
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I would presume they are in the highest gear possible to maximize economy. What gets me is that I read in Car and Driver last night that the EPA test is based on an acceleration rate of 3.3 mph per second. So 0-60 takes 18 seconds. How many of us actually do that??
The Zephyr is mostly a known quantity at this point. We know what the engine and chassis can do from the coverage of the Fusion. Sure Lincoln will have their own customizations, but the Zephyr isn't going to be a night and day change from the Fusion. You'd expect some of the complaints about the Fusion to show up in a Zephyr review, that's all. I'm sure a full review of this car will reveal a few areas that could stand improvement; it was just strange to see such a grand slam preview of a car that's setting fairly low expectations in the industry.
Trust me, I'm a Ford guy from way back, so I notice when the imports get the red carpet treatment when they don't deserve it. If this were a Lexus review my reaction would be the same, especially if it were a Lexus that we all knew was only changed slightly from the Toyota platform it was based on.
The old red and burgandy interior of domestic cars (especially GM) is pretty ugly, but I bet someone could come up with something appealing that isn't gray, beige or black.
P.S.- Kudos to Ford for offering the Fusion with black interior in addition to the standard issue gray and beige.
The EPA apparently has their own spec's for upshifting. However, they allowed manufacturers to test based on an earlier upshift IF they car is equipped with an upshift recommendation light. I believe VW was one of the first to have this, then they took it out, currently the Ford Focus and Cobalt have it.
I get quite good mileage by driving conservatively and "reading" the traffic ahead - I can easily beat the EPA "combined" mileage rating by a good amount (having a mostly freeway commute helps). I have less luck with automatics, which I attribute to two factors: 1. the automatics these days won't upshift early, and they downshift easily; and 2. I drive an automatic harder - with the stick shift, a lot of cars beat me away from traffic lights (I let them) but with an automatic I am keepin up with them, or passing them. Go figure.
BTW, I will accelerate up to redline when called for by traffic. Just I don't do this all the time.
Actually that sounds about like how the majority of people drive...and I am tired of being behind them :mad: .
The "shift light"...I had this in a 1886 Horizon. This was supposed to tell the driver when they could shift and it would lead to really early shifts if you actually shifted when it came on.
I tend to accelerate much faster with a manual than an automatic and I also shift at higher rpm than an automatic would.
I understand what your saying, but there are cute little tricks you can do to a tranny and make a car a little faster. Also, Lincoln made the walls of the V6 a little thicker than that of the Fusion/Milan to make it smoother and quieter. It's no telling what else they may have done.
The Saturn ION still has one of these shift lights. I remember back in the early/mid-'80s they were in just about every compact and smaller. Annoying as hell!
How about driving down the street on a test drive. Or somebody just got it new with temp tags. That is where else I might see one.
The Lexus Es330. I'm guessing the only real complaint that you can say about the Fusion to this point is the interior might not be appealing to everybody. lincoln made a point to make sure the Zephyr has an extremely well executed Interior. One complaint I've heard about the Fusion, is that the steering wheel feels heavy. The Zephyr has speed sensitive steering from what I understand. So I'm guessing Lincoln may have covered all the real weakness of the Fusion/Milan.
So not seeing them on the roads doesn't necessarily mean they're not selling. They just don't have that many to sell yet.
Hey It's not how much you have. It's what you do with it that counts. LOL
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please don't go into the gutter people
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So not seeing them on the roads doesn't necessarily mean they're not selling. They just don't have that many to sell yet.
True, and in ATL car dealership are all over the place. I'm serious they are like Mcdonald's, it seems like there's one on every corner.
Well you could say that, however. The engine in the 500 is the base 3.0 V6 that's been around sense the Taurus. Obviously, Ford didn't want the 500 to be a barn burner with only 201hp. The F/M/Z have the same 3.0 V6 but the engine has been modified with VVT, and dual exhaust, so the HP is up to 221HP. Like you stated the F/M/Z are a lot lighter and smaller, with sportier tuned suspension. so the F/M/Z are going to give the driver a more spirited drive.
went to 2 dealers. neither has a fusion. i just wanted to look.
Personally, I'd pick the Five Hundred based on looks alone over any of those, but it is slightly less responsive than those cars. Ford has even stated that more power is on the way (assuming they mean the 3.5L).
I suppose the reason for giving the F/M/Z the 3.5L earlier is due to the much higher expected sales volumes. Many of its competitors do have more power. But the Fusion will do 0-60 in 7.2 seconds. I doubt many mid-size buyers would want much more than that.
I remember seeing a chart online somewhere about a year ago that showed the F/M/Z getting the 3.5L around 5/06 and the Five Hundred/Montego getting it roughly a year later.
Anyone know when the 3.5L will actually be introduced?
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Ya know, I really don't get this chronic complaint on this car, and mostly on the 500. I rented a 500 from Hertz in San Diego today, and drove it to Las Vegas. For those of you who aren't familiar with this 6 hour drive through boredom, there is one particular 18 mile long grade just past Baker California, that is a real test of an automobile's strength - many cars have to turn off their A/C so as not to overheat, in fact there's a sign at the bottom telling drivers to do just that. Not only did my 500 take this grade with the A/C on, it took it with one downshift, never lost speed, the cruise control stayed on and the heat guage didn't even move, and when I got to Vegas, I had just under half a tank of fuel left, from San Diego! Now I don't call that car underpowered, and I've driven many a car up that grade that have died on the way, or needed to creep up at 45 mph with the A/C off to make it. I went up it at 80 mph. It may not be a rocket - but it's got enough, and the gas mileage for a large car like that was outstanding. I say, way to go Bill! That car's a winner. I'm sure the Zephyr is just as good. If it only didn't have that damn prop rod......
Hey your the playa, save up your pennies and get the Zephyr. It has speed sensitive steering, so no heavy steering. Also, take into account what I said. I've "heard" (better yet read) some reviews complain about it being a little heavy. However, C & D found it to be "linear and accurate" so hey don't take my word for it. Try it out for yourself, It might not be heavy to you at all. Like I said before, I take what the media says for a grain of salt. To each it's own I guess. So don't let that be a deal breaker for you that's all I'm saying, just be aware some people said, "to them" it seemed heavy.
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Styling, price, comfort, ride, steering, quality, quietness, are all outstanding and to think you get all of this for that price. Ford has an absolute winner.
PS-Live on the Maryland side of the DC area and I have only seen 1 other Fusion on the road besides mine and that was yesterday. I have not seen any TV ads on the major channels, ABC, NBC, CBS or FOX. Did see one on a cable channel earlier in the week.
That's their plan I guess. Remember, Ford was doing a series of concerts and are probably doing much localized promotion - ie parking Fusions near club areas, et al.
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ALso, to fusion owners, is there a trunk light, how about glovebox?
Honeslty, these thingsa are dealbreakers for me. Those little details are very important, and if Ford is saving so much money hiring Mexicans to build this car, they should include lights.
That said the car is awesome. 2nd place in a C&D test. The honda won. Of course it won, open up a C&D mag and someware somehow a honda will win something. Meybe honda helped them get established?
Yes to the trunk light in my SEL. I can't remember if it has a glove box light but I will check tonight and report tomorrow if no one else responds.
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