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If they have surplus of 3.0 engines, why then not create Fusion SVT with 3.5 and continue selling 3.0 alongside at better price? Everybody wins
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People decide to by a car based on price and whether they like the way it FEELS to drive.
Accordingly, most people would think a Civic SI or a Honda S2000, or a Mazda RX-8 are under powered because people don't like to rev. engines.
I think this is part of the appeal of trucks is that all that low end torque makes the vehicle feel powerful to the vast majority of people who really don't know how to drive.
If you don't think the majority of people don't know how to drive, just reflect on the last time you were on the road...
Mark.
For most people where a car is made is of no reason not to buy it. Honda/Toyota have done a bang up job on PR in convincing the American consumer they are American companies. :sick:
Usually such people would not buy such cars. Just for their price, one needs to be aware why they are buying it. If they don't, they end up trading it after a year or less.
People usually don't care about torque numbers, as they don't undestand them. They may looks at HP, especially if the price is similar, looks are acceptable and features comparable. And within the class it's often the case.
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2007 2006 change
13,359 9,143 46.1%
Milan up 22%, MKZ up 21%.
Overall Ford daily rental fleet sales down 30%.
Edge 7,977 up 43% from January.
2007 2006 change
13,359 9,143 46.1%
Milan up 22%, MKZ up 21%.
Overall Ford daily rental fleet sales down 30%.
Edge 7,977 up 43% from January"
You won't see the media give Ford Motor Company good news coverage. These numbers are great! I can see why the 07 Fusion is selling, AWD, Nav more goodies for your hard earned dollar. Spread these around the net to other forums and chats. Man@! I love the internet, free speech at its best!
Well here's the complete break down in PDF File it's nothing that you don't know already.
February 2007 Ford sales PDF
:shades:
Well Scape2, I dunno how free it is, because we still have to pay for the internet LOL :P
$289 for an SE V6 AWD!!!! $0 down, $0 first payment.
Not soliciting, just providing info.
Mark.
But even the Civic and Corolla have moved up in size with the Fit and Yaris now being their small entry models. Why must everything keep getting bigger and bigger? Time to leave the size alone and get those mileage figures up into the 40's for every day driving. Now that would be something. Mileage in the 40's without having to be a Hybrid!
Ford does need to tweak the dash of the Fusion though. All the lighting should have the same color and it shouls all be electroluminesent. Just seems to make for a more upscale dash. And as I drive a '06 Civic, I really love the two tier dash...puts the speedometer much higher in the direct line of sight. Seems like a more intuitive location.
The Sandman
I also don't understand why cars need to get larger and larger as they go from model year to upgrade years. Keep them the same size. Add content, add options, tweak the exterior/interiors/engines/supensions ect..
Camcord fans are D@#$s
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Let it go Scape2 and anybody else trying to impress a Camcord fan. The Ford Fusion is an American car built in Mexico. So it's not even really an American car according to Camcord fans. To Camcord fans, the Ford Fusion will always be inferior, and not even American car. Most importantly, it will never be anything to them. But, we all know it's an excellent car. Stop caring about what they think. Unless you like wasting your time :confuse:
Remember, CAL is very anti-american in their car tastes.
Keep in mind that an AWD Fusion is comparable in price to the FWD Accord and Camry and AWD does improve performance in the dry on a road course.
My dealer can't keep the 4 cylinder SEs with MSRP of $19,900 in stock.
Mark.
To answer your question ? Because the AWD Milan offers more for the money than the CamCord. They are priced pretty much the same if not they are within a few hundred dollars of each other. If your going to ask that question why not ask ? Why are they doing the Fusion Challenge and Mercury needs more help than anybody? I didn't make the test. The answer to all of those questions. Are, I Dunno I love Ford but I don't work for Ford.
All I wish for, is that America would get off it's Dead [non-permissible content removed] and stop even reading these magazines and do it's due diligence and consider everything. And make it's own informed decision. The one thing that the Fusion Challenge has brought to light. There is a Night-and-Day difference from what America thinks and what the media thinks. Car-and-Driver held the first event between the Fusion/Camry/Accord. The people picked the Fusion over the Camry and Accord. However, the Fusion is not on Car and Drivers 10 best list. They still worship the dead Honda Accord because it's a Honda and it has a Manual stick for the V6. So much for professional unbiased reporting.
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like I said before The internet is a the only place for Freedom of Speak. But we have to pay to use the internet :P
having said all of this, I guess none of you read the Annual Auto issue for Consumers Report. They gave the Fusion/Milan glowing reports for first year reliability. I counted at least 3 times where they claimed this. This is from a magazine that has never been kind to Ford as far as reliability. Ratings yes but never reliability.
The problem is you are counting on one car to change entire perception of a company. The Fusion works because it is essentially a stretched Mazda 6. Ford has benefited by watching the Mazda 6 the past few years. Nothing wrong with that. It's about time! they need to do this with some of their other global products.
Consistency is what will turn Ford around.
Pleaes, read the whole article. The sedans are all within the same price range. The whole point is you can get an AWD Fusion for the same price as a Camry SE V6 or an Accord EX V6. Where does the profit from your Camry go by the way?
Mark
Focus: 9 recalls in the first 2 model year. AVerage reliabilty now.
Taurus: average reliability.
Fusion/MIlan: excellent 1st year reliability
500: average reliabilty
Explorer: Not good. Lots of powertrain issues
Escape: Not good. Lots of powertrain issues.
Freestyle: Not good but also not my style
I wouldn't buy a Focus, Taurus, 500, Escape, Explorer because they are simply too many vehicles that are more appealing on different levels. Whether its performance, fuel economy or reliability.
The Fusion/Milan is a different story which is why I am consideirng it and on this board arguing with you. :P
I've heard nothing but positive things about the Fusion/Milan which is why I am shockede they have rebates on them. Hopefully I cna find out more good things like fuel economy.
Ford's biggest problem was that even if they had a hit, like Taurus, Explorer, LS in the past, they simply let it slip by doing nothing to those vehicles for too long - the prevalent mindset appeared to be "milk the beast, but do not feed it". Early Explorers or Tauri may have been great compared to their peers, then they slipped further and further, just because their competition was getting better and they were not. Lets just hope Fusion will not share that fate. LS is a different story - it was expensive to make and short on delivery, but with enough promise that some decent improvements would have kept it alive and well. Instead - they murdered it by lack of any development. In that segment you need a face lift every two years and platform change every 6 years. That's the pace domestics seem to completely ignore, which ends up in huge rebates and deep disapointments.
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Of course Ford always sticks to their long term plans. I know the 2008 500 was introduced at NAIS in January and that the 2008 Taurus was announced as the same car in February but really. they have a long term plan....
Mark.
can we get back to the the Fusion?
Damn Scape2 are you a car salesman. You made dtownfb give in. Maybe I was wrong about some of the camcord fans. I can't believe that some people are seeing the light. I really did not think that was possible. Of course dtownfb may have said that just to be sarcastic, Oh well.
One more thing, when everybody gets a chance read this months Consumer reports. In this months magazine they have the best family sedans for under $25,000 The Fusion/Milan are amongst the best. Also, I might have read it wrong but I think they said that the Fusion has a higher first year reliability than the Camry.
What they need to do is look at something like best family sedans than can be purchased for under something like $18,000. Then you would have 4 cyl Fusion/Milan (and Mazda6) vs. Corolla and Civic (I guess).
Mark.
(the 4 cylinder Camary actually had BELOW AVERAGE reliabilty!)
CR did rate the Fusion/Milan well which is why I originally starting posting on this board. Plus I had a chance to sit in the Milan at the local auto show. I liked the looks of the interior and there is a dealership 2 miles from house that has the "Engine for life". Hopefully I will get permission to buy a new car this summer.
Maybe scape2 you should start a new thread called "The Media vs. GM/Ford". Or "GM/Ford: No Spin Zone".
Thanks in advance.
Oh man, what do you mean you are only 39? You are ALREADY 39 and may be too old to drive Fusion, but still not old enough for Grand Marquis. So no Ford for you. But Camry is okay, but it has nothing to do with reliability – it is just lifestyle. But wait there is still 500, oops – Taurus. At least it is roomier and has better chassis and steering than Camry.
Mark
D (Drive)
The normal driving position for the best fuel economy. Transaxle operates in gears one through six.
L (Low)
Provides more engine braking when the accelerator pedal is released than D (Drive).
My concern is that I regularly have to drive hilly terrain (I-80 between Salt Lake and Park City in Utah), and I'm wondering if Low would help eliminate the constant transmission shifting when going up hilly terrain. I don't want to just try it and end up doing severe damage to the transmission and engine.
Just try it. You can't hurt anything.
"Low" is mostly for steep and long hills, to avoid overcooking brakes. And I mean really long ones - lasting miles, like serpentines when you go 20-30 mpg and have to turn all the time. It usually makes the car stay on first or second gear. It's certainly not for interstate use :sick:.
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True, but the manually shiftable automatic on the Mazda6 only costs about $50 more than the Ford version. I am guessing that they are using the same transmissions. With the Mazda transmission, it is clear what you are doing if you flip it over to manual and downshift.
Fusion has just D and L because they had originally planned to put a CVT in.
I reported that and I think it was true - originally. But I've seen too many new Fords coming out with it so I think they're doing it on purpose now. I think it's fine if they would simply add the manumatic controls. I think the lack of manumatic controls is simply a cost cutting problem which I hope has been resolved already for the next generation of vehicles. It's not so much that people want it and use it but rather that it looks bad for Ford to not even offer it when other less expensive cars use it.
If I was in charge I'd make it mandatory across the lineup.