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  • luck11luck11 Member Posts: 425
    If anyone has an opportunity to compare insurance premiums on the Legacy GT wagon and the Outback 3.0R wagon, please post. I'm interested in the % difference between the two rather than the absolute rate.

    My insurance broker does not have the ratings yet and in order to rate, they need the VIN...unfortunately, no GT wagons in our area yet from which to pull the VIN.

    My gut tells me the GT, with the turbo, is going to be rated somewhat more performance, and therefore have higher rates. I could be wrong though.

    Thanks in advance.
    Cheers.
  • pon1pon1 Member Posts: 196
    Dont know about the OB's but when I was looking to upgrade fron a Forester L to FXT, the insurance was going to go up by $100....per year.....or about a buck and a quarter per hp.
    That's a good deal (with Liberty Mutual, now TD insurance or something)

    Post your impressiuons of the 3.0R when you see one.

    Thanks, JP
  • cdnp5cdnp5 Member Posts: 163
    I am also curious what the rate difference will be between the 3.0, XT and GT. As we all know, insurance has their own set of rules that seems to change almost as much as the price of gas does.
    When I was buying my P5 I also got a quote on a WRX. The WRX was $100 or $200 cheaper per year to insure. I found that strange. Then again, a Porsche Boxter S was only $600 more per year.
  • luck11luck11 Member Posts: 425
    Juice, I've tried posting a few times only to get "page not found", then when I go "back", I've lost all my text. Is there a prob here? It seems I have trouble with the longer posts, whereas the shorter posts seem to go through without a hitch. Frustrating, because I've retyped my thoughts on the O5s about 3 times! Any ideas?

    EDIT: of course this one posted...it was short!!!
  • luck11luck11 Member Posts: 425
    If anyone can get me the VIN of a new GT and 3.0R from their dealers, I'll check rates with my broker. Unfortunately, no GT wagons here yet.
  • luck11luck11 Member Posts: 425
    Going to try this one last time....maybe in separate posts.

    Saw the 05s last Friday at the dealer. They had a range of OB trim levels including one 3.0R...can't recall if it was white or silver. It is a nice vehicle and I immediately noticed the increased ground clearance of the 05s over my 00 OB. However, to be honest, not of the of the ext colour choices sent my heart racing. They had the white, silver, light blue and the moss green on the VDC. The green seemed much lighter than what I've seen in the pics.

    Interior is very very sharp on the OBs. the Cloth was tasteful on the 3.0R, but I must say, I am not keen on the black interior. It will show ever speck of dirt and dust. After my first black vehicle with black interior, I vowed it would be my last...simply due to the maintenance req'ts to keep it looking somewhat clean. The taupe was very nice, but I only saw it in leather. Wonder of the 3.0R has a taupe cloth option? Hope so. to be continued.......
  • luck11luck11 Member Posts: 425
    Great, it posted!

    OK, also noticed that all the 3 litre OBs had the signal markers on the mirrors, where as all the 2.5 litre Legacies and OBs, base and Ltds, did not.

    A Silver Legacy 2.5i Ltd. was being driven out of the storage lot to be PDI'd. I thought it was a really good looking vehicle. I imagine I will be truly taken with a GT. The rear chrome tail pipes on the Legacies add a touch of class and "richness" to the rear.

    Unfortunately, no GTs or XTs. A GT Sedan is available at another dealer, but think I will wait until the GTs are in so I can drive a 3.0R and GT back to back, probably in a couple of weeks.
  • volkovvolkov Member Posts: 1,306
    I had a similar, frustrating problem with a different site once. My solution was to type my message in Word, then copy and paste into the reply box. If it cans, you lose a few seconds of your life, that's all. As a rule I do all of my long-winded posts that way now. Ounce of prevention...beats a ton of frustration.

    Nicholas
  • pon1pon1 Member Posts: 196
    Thanks. I'll see some cars next week I hope. The green/green OB 3.0R has taupe interior. JP
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Seems to be working now...
  • pon1pon1 Member Posts: 196
    Saw my first 05s in person (except show cars several months ago) last night. On the lot after hrs so only able to do a walk around. Liked siver/gray two tone more than I thought I would (granted it was an XT), and liked the willow/moss (green on green) a little less.

    In general, I think Subaru should kill the two tone thing, or offer the Allroad or Forester X matt unpainted cladding, the contrasting painted shiny cladding does nothing for me....

    With all the anticipation, I was generally a little underwhelmed by the actual cars, esp side and rear views. Test drive needed.....

    Anyone know which OB models will be offered in monotone (monochrome??) in Canada. I'd like to see a gold, red and a black model in person before making a final decision on color. I think mono color is available on the OB 2.5i and XT, not the 3.0R, maybe on the VDC, but I could be wrong

    JP
  • pon1pon1 Member Posts: 196
    Reply to self...hmmm

    Just after I posted my dealer called to tell me "my car" was in and I could come drive it. It is/was a willow/moss canadian only 3.0R wagon. Impressions in a minute but can answer my question (spec sheets now available).

    Canadian Monochrome Outbacks: XT and 3.0R VDC only. Non VDC 3.0R and 2.5i models only in the two tones.

    So what did I think of the Outbacks and the 3.0R in particular. Firstly, the dealer has changed policy and now sales staff must go on test drives. So no more 4 hour trips to the mountains....Hence my drive was brief and a little distracted.

    Firstly, the highs.

    The H6 feels strong off the line and willing to rev, I went a little over 4k rpm a few times (the car had 50 kms but was not PDI'd) and it built power impressively. Shifts in auto mode were barely noticeable. Smooth and linear as others have said. Didnt really test the handling but the car feels really solid and planted. As for the cabin and controls, huge improvement. Everything works with a smoothness and solidness that has been lacking in the past. Finishing and materials are first class. Climate control and stereo good, taupe interior very nice (if you like taupe, more of this later). A lot of people will like this car, and at msrp of 38995, it seems affordable if not exactly cheap.

    After the H6, I sat in an OB XT LTD with black interior (the only OB XT model available in Canada). Wonderful. Loved the seats, MOMO wheel, guages, moonroof, understated hood scoop.....I was allowed to start it, but no drives yet. It has the boxer 4 rumble, a good thing.

    The not so highs:

    Back to the 3.0R. A lot of this is personal preference, but here goes. I grew up with stick shifts and have never owned an auto. But I liked the 3.0R on paper, and wanted to like the H6 with 5EAT/Sportshift. But to be honest, flicking the shifter back and forth to shift up and down instead of through a gated transmission, coupled with the lack of mechanical resistance from the clutchless shifter, was a little dull, and I soon went back to auto mode, either in S or in regular D. The disconnected feel of the transmission was I think highlighted by the quiet, uninvoled way the H6 does its thing. You cant hear it, and you can barely feel it through the butt dyno. All in all, though it was quicker than the H4 in my 5 speed forester, it was much less fun and lacked "personality". BUT, I think if you already like autos, this tranny will work for you, and overall even for this now confirmed 5-speeder, the 250 hp 5EAT H6 of 2005 is a way better drive than the 2004 H6 with the 4EAT.

    Additional issues.

    The backseat toeroom thing reported by others is real in all OB models. If you have large feet and big boots (winter boots anyone - it snows here), it's a problem. Wonder why they did this and what the fix would entail. Raising the seat would affect headroom in the models with a moonroof. It's not an issue with the 04 Forester, hope the 05 with the power driver seat is OK.

    Colors. The more I shop and look, the less I like two-tone. The two tone just seems too busy and broken up on a car that has basically really good lines that are more appealing to my eyes than the old model or the new legacy. As for the interior, I now officially dont want taupe and dont want the plood (plastic wood). Black/gray with a splash aluminum please. Enough said here as it's all very subjective.

    The parking brake location and angle just seems odd.

    These are the main gripes so far.

    So I now I've narrowed it down to a Subaru wagon with a turbo 5 speed in a monochrome color with some light off road ability (hence no GT). It's now the FXT or the OB XT, will let the bank manager (wife) help with this decision and the color. There's a $7K price difference between base FXT and the OBXT, or $5500 if you compare with a FXT PP2 (leather). So looks like odds of 7-1 for the FXT.

    So I told them to sell my 3.0R. The next guy up for a drive was at least 70 - maybe closer to the H6 demographic :). He looked pumped when I told him he could buy the car. Nice to make someone's day, even if it wasnt mine.

    JP

    PS: Dear Subaru of Canada - any chance of the base model OB XT coming here in 2006. If so I can wait (I think).
  • luck11luck11 Member Posts: 425
    Thanks for the feedback JP.

    I presume there were no GT Wagons to be driven. I echo your sentiments on the two tone....just not doing it for me this year. My current OB is the Winestone with gold cladding. It was the only colour I liked for the 00 my. I too am leaning towards the monotone look and thus likely towards a GT, because like you, the XT Ltd is simply more $$ than my wife could accept paying for any vehicle.

    Curious about your thoughts on the taupe. Appreciate your reasoning on this. I too thought the black was sharp, but maintenance is my concern, especially with a small child in the back.

    Oh yes...the PLOOD! I forgot to mention this in my post....is it me, or does it look like it was painted on with a cheap brush? I was willing to give it the benefit of the doubt as I was peering through dirty passenger window.

    The rear toe room. I heard the seats do not adjust upwards this year..is this correct? i like to keep my seat at almost max height due to my leg length...it provides greater support. As a result, toe room doesn't seem that bad. Will the GT driver seat adjust upwards?
  • pon1pon1 Member Posts: 196
    I did not do a detailed investigation but in the showroom they had an 05 OB base model. I showed a couple of sales peopel and they agreed it could be a problem. Took turns in the back behind the front passenger seat, which I am 100% sure is not powered or height adjustable. Sure there is room for size 15 shoes in the footwell but the expected degree of freedom of movement that is nice to have on long journeys is not there. I dont think it's a major screw up, just unexpected on a tall car such as the OB.

    JP
  • mhoodzmhoodz Member Posts: 2
    I am another Canuck and though I've never had rustproofing by Canadian Tire I wouldn't let them wipe grease off my car! My last experience with them involved getting a flat fixed in an emergency (usually a fairly straight forward and easy job)!..they were the only garage open and I had to remind them to test the tire after "fixing" it and then remind them that once you take it off the rim you have to balance it again...since they took the weights off and then they forgot to torque the nuts!!!
    Any other garage and this would have been a 5 min. job.
    Still not sure why they had to take it off the rim to fix a small nail hole in the tread!
    If there is ANY other garage or maybe a friend that does rustproofing or somewhere like Apple Auto Glass that does it that would be my advice. C T is a great place to get your parts from>
  • luck11luck11 Member Posts: 425
    ...only the brand name parts. I would not touch CT brand parts with a ten foot pole...at least those that involve the mechanical/drivetrain.

    I use Krown for rust proofing. Comes with guarantee and the stuff works. They drill holes to access pilars etc and they get the stuff everywhere, except the inside of the roof. They plug the holes with removable plastic plugs. At $99 /year, it is a worthwhile investment.

    Alternatively, go to CT and buy the spray cans or the big jugs of Rust Check....it is essentially the same stuff and apply yourself with a spray bottle. Its a messy job, but I did it for my 91 Talon, and after 8 years, only had a small spot of rust on the OUTSIDE of the rocker panel. Applied once per year.
  • ryanl1ryanl1 Member Posts: 55
    Has anyone been confirmed for the Subaru drive event in Vancouver?I signed up in May but haven't heard back.
  • cdnp5cdnp5 Member Posts: 163
    I went to the Subaru Drive Event yesterday in Toronto and this is my short (hopefully) version of it. My current driver is a 2002 Mazda Protege5 with 120,000kms on it.

    Sunday session, 1:30pm-2:30pm.

    Got there a little early as we (myself, girlfriend and cousin) were very excited about going to this event. This gave us some time to talk to one of the people running the event (their lunch break) and to take a look around at the display cars before registering.

    We were split into two groups.
    1) track - you get two laps total in any two cars you want.
    2) dirt - you drive an Outback (base, XT or 3.0) over a giant hill and then sideways (angle)
    All cars were auto as they said the sales people burned up the clutches, lol.

    We were in the track group first which is what I really wanted. I drove an Outback XT first then the Legacy GT (sedan) second. The track is something you would setup for auto-x but shorter and easier to follow. The fastest you could get a car going is 80kph if you braked at the last second on the straight. Corners were esses, 2 fast lane changes and a long radius corner. I pushed both cars quite hard through the course (and noticed one other person doing the same, thank you) and enjoyed driving them a lot.

    Outback XT: This didn't feel as tippy as I thought it would and was fun to put through the course. Turbo lag off the line was obvious but once it spooled up it really started to take off.

    Legacy GT: Much more planted through the corners (obviously) but still had lag off the line. Brakes felt stronger. Would be the more fun to drive car sportily.

    I actually think I could have gotten my P5 around the course just as fast or even faster though. Being a short course you really don’t get to use all of that power. On a racetrack, this would have been 10 times more fun but I understand why they can’t do that.

    The dirt part of the event was interesting. The hill was very steep and a person stood at the top making sure you went straight up and straight down. You needed this person, as this is all you could see on the way up. After you turned around, on the way back another person guided you along the side of the hill at an angle of approx 30-35 degrees. This was fun as it really showed its lower center of gravity.

    The down sides:
    1) The event is too short. One hour just isn't enough.
    2) You really don't get a feel for the car in normal driving.
    3) If you were excited, you forget to play with all of the controls while waiting your turn.
    · These can be fixed with a test drive at your local dealer.
    After, you filled out a survey and received a bag full of brochures and some shaving cream (don’t know why). They had snacks, water and pop available also. If you ever get a chance, you should go.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Shaving Cream? Hilarious, what a freebie.

    Sounds like fun. Too bad you couldn't open her up a lot. The infield track at Vegas Motor Speedway was much more wide open.

    -juice
  • pon1pon1 Member Posts: 196
    Beginning to appear in the US. Any sign of these showing up in Canada? Pricing??

    I need to stop procrastinating and go buy my FXT, as I have OBXT envy but cant afford the crazy Canadian price.

    JP
  • ryanl1ryanl1 Member Posts: 55
    Confirmed for Jun 26 Vancouver event at an airport.Thanks for the write up cdnp5, otherwise I wouldn't have shown up early.Never saw any hills at an airport before...perhaps the course will be different.
  • cdnp5cdnp5 Member Posts: 163
    They brought in a pile of sand/dirt and dumped it in the parking lot. Then made a nice hill out of it. I was wondering what would have happened if it rained all day though. Would you still get to do the hill climb? Have fun at the event. Everybody who worked the one in Toronto was a lot of fun so hopefully they are also doing yours.
  • pon1pon1 Member Posts: 196
    Hey luck 11

    did you buy anything yet?
     
    2004 FXT is avail with cnd $1500 rebate if you can find one....goo deal

    we are taking delivery of ours in Aug I think, hence likely an 05. Will get a test drive in a GT next week, just for kicks.

    JP
  • luck11luck11 Member Posts: 425
    Nah nothing yet. Won't until Fall or early Winter timeframe, once pricing calms down a bit. Congrats on the FXT!! FXT is a nice vehicle but don't think its for me. I am told that it is more restrictive for taller people, which is an issue for me, especially with my 36" inseam.

    I'm waiting for the dealers here in Ottawa to get the GT Wagons so I can test drive an XT, 3.0 R and GT back to back to back. Frankly, I'm really not sure how I'm going to go. Believe it or not, I'm still not ruling out the XT or the GT Ltd. My main concern is that the sunroof will be an issue with my height at 6'4". Other issue is I do not want black interior, which is the only choice with GT base, as sharp as it looks. Black is simply not practical for me, and seeing every little speck of dirt will drive me nuts. Not sure what interior colour choices are for the 3.0R. Basically, I have to get into them and test them out.

    Have you seen any brochures on OB or Legacy?
  • pon1pon1 Member Posts: 196
    The FXT has more legroom in the front than the OB or Legacy, but I dont have the specifics. Best to try it for yourself. As for headroom, in my old Forester L, you could wear a top hat and still not be touching the roof. There is a little less in the moonroof equipped models, but headroom still a strength. My wife is happier with the Forester as she likes the size, and we only need the extra space in the OB about 5 days a year. Plus it is cheaper. And is a WRX STi wagon in disguise, which makes me happy as I've wanted an Impreza turbo of some kind for over 10 years.

    I dont have a full brochure but I have a spec sheets for the 2005 OB and Legacy. If a moonroof model doesnt work with your height and you want a 2005 with 2.5T or H6 (i.e. not base) with a taupe interior - it's the 3.0R for you, in willow/moss, white/grey or gold/grey - i.e. all two-tone. Actually, these same colors are available with taupe cloth or leather in the base and LTD 2.5i wagons. If you can fit under a moonroof, you can get taupe leather in every two/tone or monochrome OB color except red in the VDC wagon.

    The OBXT in Canada only comes in black leather. Funny, as in the US, taupe leather is available. Money no object, I'd get a red MT OBXT.

    If the H6 3.0R came with MT, I'd buy it at $37.5K (current 3.0R price less the standard upcharge for the 5EAT), esp if it came in monochrome. But with AT and two-tone, I'd always be a little disappointed with the 3.0R. This is a big purchase for us, I dont want to be constantly envious of the XT models.

    One final thought. After five months of press releases, car shows and in person walkarounds, I still dont really get the looks of the Legacy wagon. I know I am in a small minority, as most folks think it's a great looking car. I like the sedan and the OB in monochrome, but just cant get fired up about the long and low Legacy wagon. And I do typically like wagons, the WRX wagon and A4/A6 in particular.

    JP
  • luck11luck11 Member Posts: 425
    Thanks for the info.

    Perhaps I should look at the FXT, but I recall my wife saying she was not crazy about the styling. Speed/power are not huge issues for her....they are for me! :) The height of the Legacy is an issue for me as well..I like the fact that I sit higher off the ground in my OB and it's easier for someone of my height to get in and out of the OB than the Legacy. I've had my fair share of ground scraping sports cars....not that the Legacy is that low.

    I really have to get to the dealers and simply spend a morning sitting in, playing with accessories and driving these vehicles. Only then can I come to a more conclusive opinion of where my preferences lie.

    I'm hoping the dealers will have some Legacies on the lots by next week. When they do, I'll be there. Will post my impressions.

    Cheers.
  • mcjaymcjay Member Posts: 7
    Hi all,

    Just wondering if anyone ordered 2.5i or 2.5i Ltd Legacy already? If so, how much off/over the MSRP?

    I will go to the testdrive event on the coming saturday in Delta. See you guys there.

    Jay
  • ryanl1ryanl1 Member Posts: 55
    The event was a blast...just wish I had another hour to play.The same people did the Ontario event. The hill was out of commission so we got 3 laps each and there were fewer people on Sunday vs a Saturday.
    Tested the GT sedan twice and it was impressive through the S curves and braking was good.Noticed the turbo lag on 1st straightaway but not on 2nd try. They only had 2.5i wagon to drive and it underperformed GT as one would expect but need more rides to determine if price difference,premium fuel,higher insurance costs justifies GT over 2.5i.
    I would be happy in a GT for sure.Still have to test drive G35 vs TL and TSX vs Mazda 6.
  • joybelljoybell Member Posts: 275
    I bought some ArmorAll to clean the plastic/vinyl inside my Forester, but I'm not sure if I should use this on the plastic cladding. It is in a dinky little 300ml spray bottle which I am sure is not meant for big jobs. There were no larger sizes. What else can I use? Is it OK to use a car wash product containing wax? So far I have always hand waxed (except for the cladding of course) and have avoided the car wash soaps with wax added. I know I should have posted this on the maintenance board but we in Canada can't buy some of the US products.
  • mcjaymcjay Member Posts: 7
    Anyone know the invoice price in Canada for legacy? (I don't mean MSRP)

    Thanks
  • luck11luck11 Member Posts: 425
    joybell: i would stay away from armor all...i used it years ago until I found out it had harmful silicons in it. frankly, in my vehicle, I use a two old rags, one wet one dry. when necessary, I use a bit of fantastik or spray 9 to get marks off light coloured panels, but make sure you rinse it off with a very wet rag then dry. for reg clean up, just use a wet and dry rag. I don't like the shiny look that armor all products leave on plastic.

    Wax: There are serveral good ones I hear about. Collinite (sp?), and the Sub maintenance board talks about another. I have been using Zaino products since I bought my 00 Outback and swear by the stuff. It is not a wax...it is a polymer polish which is crystal clear. www.zainobros.com. There are Cdn dealers. I have one 5 minutes away.

    Wax contains carnauba, which in its natural state is yellow....draw your own conclusions. But it depends how much you want to spend vs shine and durability.

    mcjay: we have to pay for invoice pricing here in Canada. Sources include car cost canada and you can also get them from the Automobile Protection association. Not sure if invoice pricing is avail yet here.
  • luck11luck11 Member Posts: 425
    oh and by the way.....you want a miracle cleaner for your cloth seats and all man-made fabrics? Get Folex from Cdn Tire....unfortunately, not all stores carry it. Plain white bottle with green writing. It is amazing. you spray it on, rub it in with your fingers, let it sit for a min and dab an old towel to dry off. i have cleaned ink, mascara, pencil, grease etc. I swear by it.
  • ozman62ozman62 Member Posts: 229
    I have used Mother's Back to Black on my cladding and it did an okay job. Like Luck11, I wouldn't reccommend Armour-All at all, inside or out. In my opinion, the beauty of the plain cladding on the X (or in my case 'L') is that it takes a beating and really just needs a car wash spray, and a hand rub with a cloth to clean it up. FWIW, Owen
  • joybelljoybell Member Posts: 275
    So the cladding needs no special treatment. I was afraid it would crack and discolour with time. I will try to get Folex for the cloth seats. The kids put their dirty feed up the back of the front seats and that is hard to get clean. I did use the ArmorAll on the dash and on the rubber cargo mat. It works well but if there is a hazard to using it then I won't overdo it.
  • pon1pon1 Member Posts: 196
    Canadian 2005 MSRP on a FXT 5MT PP1 is cnd$36395 or $400 more than 2004. Availability is about mid July. I'd like to see a brochure, not sure if available....

    JP
  • luck11luck11 Member Posts: 425
    FYI... Rec'd a "recall" of sorts today from Subaru Canada requiring the addition of a cooling system conditioner to the system to prevent leaks. I believe it covers 00-04 Outbacks (mine is a 00), but do not have paper in front of me to confirm.
  • cdnp5cdnp5 Member Posts: 163
    Only driven on weekends? Very few miles? Never raced? lol

    http://www.subarurallyteam.com/Team.asp?event=DETAIL&type=Car- &ID=2
  • joybelljoybell Member Posts: 275
    I know someone looking for an older model Turbo. This car would be his dream but is way out of his price range. I've been sort of looking around but haven't found anything out there for sale that is Turbo charged (2.0L) and at a nice low price!
  • pon1pon1 Member Posts: 196
    05 Foresters showing up on Canadian lots.

    Time to get out the cheque book.

    JP
  • luck11luck11 Member Posts: 425
    at http://www.carcostcanada.com.

    2005 invoice pricing available for Legacy, Outback and Impreza lines. Sorry JP, nothing yet for Foresters. Of course, there is a charge, but well worth it if you are seriously considering a new Sube.

    I still had one quote left from a pricing package for my parents from a few years ago so checked out the 3.0R pricing....lets just say there is plenty of room to play ;)

    Let me know if anyone has access to the Automobile Protection Association (Toronto or Montreal) invoice pricing and perhaps we can compare notes.
  • pon1pon1 Member Posts: 196
    My deal is in place for an 05 based on 04 pricing, so I get an additional 400 "off" as the FXT PP1 MT is now 36395, up from 35995. I ran a carcost quote when we made this deal. There is room to deal on the higher end models.

    As the cars are now here, the only decision is when, likley Sept as we need to save a few more $$$$ to pay cash (wife is finance-averse).

    JP
  • joybelljoybell Member Posts: 275
    then you can make "pretend car payments" to save up for another new car, and you will never be a slave to the banks! Some dealers/car manufacturers will give you a big discount for cash (like $3500 off for our Chevy Truck), but we had no such luck with the Forester. The dealer wouldn't give us a cash discount so we took the financing. Have Subaru dealers changed their tune on this issue? BTW, is your wife of Swiss origin (like me?).
  • pon1pon1 Member Posts: 196
    There is 1500 off for an 04 for a cash sale, but there are no MT FXTs around, except white cars which dont count.

    We traded in our 2000 Forester L (55MT, no AC, 100,000kms, a little tired) back in Feb just before the warranty ran out, they have the credit against our car, we were not ready to buy a new car at that point as we had just moved into a new house. We have to pay cnd $23.5k in cash to drive away the FXT later this summer.

    As far as I understand, credit is provided by Subaru, not the dealers so there is nothing to bargain against with the dealers if you have cash, they dont care if you have cash or not. We may in fact take their credit for part of the balance for a very short term, 12-24 mths is usually 1.9 or less (0% sometimes).

    She's all Canadian (third gen).

    JP
  • joybelljoybell Member Posts: 275
    GIC investment rate this past June was only 2.55% for a five year term, so you are still a bit ahead at taking the 1.9% financing instead of paying cash, but only if you don't get a cash discount.
  • ryanl1ryanl1 Member Posts: 55
    Off topic but if you open an online brokerage account you could have easily gotten a 5 year GIC
    for 4.4%.
  • joybelljoybell Member Posts: 275
    Thanks, I should've looked into it. I usually just let things "ride along"...
  • pon1pon1 Member Posts: 196
    are in showrooms now, plus all the 05 cars.

    Only thing to look forward to now is for subaru.ca to fully update pricing and specs. So much for the web helping sell the cars...

    JP
  • luck11luck11 Member Posts: 425
    Picked up the OB brochure this morning (my 00 OB is in for oil change). They think they will have Legacy brochures later today. Also getting my OB evaluated for trade-in value.

    On the issue of subaru.ca, ever notice how nowhere on their website can you find a telephone or e-mail contact info? I complained to the dealer and to the area supervisor about this over a year ago! Kind of pathetic not to have a customer service line to Subaru Canada. Geez, Edmunds has its own SOA customer service rep lurking their boards!
  • ozman62ozman62 Member Posts: 229
    They think it's acceptable procedure here in the 'backwoods'. They've been pursuing their premium strategy here for a while though (pricewise)<:-(
    Owen
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