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Certain 2008 Toyota Cars and SUV's are on the list as being non-admissible and other's may be admisible if they have the manufactures engine immobilzer system as a standard feature on the vehicle.
My dealer in the States, that still has my 2008 Tacoma Double cab, said I'm fine, as the model I bought has the immoblizer as a standard item. He has refunded other people who have bought Toyota 2008's that are now not compliant though, just in case.
I emailed Toyota Canada and at first they had no info in this regard. Then when I pushed it, they came out with the identical list of 2008 vehicles as listed on Transport Canada's web page, EXCEPT...they some how added in both the Tacoma & Tundra. Hmmmm...I call [non-permissible content removed] on that! Pure evil!
I'm planning on picking the truck up this week, but need to know for sure!
Please send me an e-mail with a sample of your letter if you don't mind. If you want to discuss it privately before hand let me know. I am also on the other thread
http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=307601&page=528
Up to you. I like your ideas but I know there are a lot of folks on this site that don't want us to succeed.
I have not received anything from RIV. I talked to them today and they told me to tell my case to a supervisor there Monday and plead my case. They had no answer as to why it was not admissible. They did admit it probably had to do with the CMVSS 114. However, they do not have exceptions on the Prius. They said the CMVSS 114 applied to SUV's only, not passenger cars but it does state on the RIV site: "CMVSS 114 - Locking and Immobilization Systems
April 24, 2007
The Canada Motor Vehicle Safety Standard (CMVSS) 114 - Locking and Immobilization Systems, has been amended and, effective September 1, 2007, will require that every Multipurpose passenger vehicle, passenger car, truck, and three wheel vehicle manufactured after September 1, 2007, except for an emergency vehicle, or a vehicle that has a GVWR of 4,536 kg or more, or a walk-in van, be equipped with an immobilization system that meets the requirements specified in the amendment.
Please be advised that if you are planning to import a vehicle manufactured after September 1, 2007, that the vehicle may be affected by this requirement and if an immobilizer that meets CMVSS 114 is not already installed in the vehicle, that an immobilization system will have to be installed. You may also want to verify the cost of such an installation prior to importing a vehicle."
Do you think I have a case in this instance?
Also, my Form 1 states that the car was manufactured on Sept. 07 but the border patrol never went to physically look. It says in my vehicle August 07.
Let me know if you think my case is valid or if there is anything else they can come up with to stop me.
Thanks,
Dean
The person at RIV said that if customs gives me a hard time, I should tell them to call RIV. It's still such an arbitrary dirty trick, but at least now I have it in black and white as to exactly where it says that my Sienna will be admissible.
Can anyone give me an informative answer to this question. We bought a 2008 Corolla (pre Sept.01) and have been told to get it out of the Country. Many comments on this site say that if it is a pre sept.01 vehicle then their is no problem based on Transport Canada website BUT my understanding is if it says no 2008 blah blah blah on the RIV site then they means no 2008's. Like I ask, does anyone have the true and honest facts on this or is this just hypothetical talk?
Thanks for the facts
Can US dealers provide installation of daytime running lights?
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Jason
I'm living in BC as well and am planning to buy a 2008 Highlander from US. Would appreciate if you could share your experience, dealer contact/phone numbers and checklist with me. My email address is frankiechia@shaw.ca
Thanks
Thanks.
Please tell me where... my email is skalibaba@hotmail.com
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I'm interested in the Acura MDX. Has anyone brought one in from the US, and if so, where is there a friendly US seller?
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There are also aftermarket, third party warranty providers that can offer warranty coverage for approx $3000. A deductible is typically paid per claim.
If transport Canada is going to list a vehicle as being inadmissable they should have to post why the vehicle is inadmissable. They should also list if the vehicle could be modified to meet Canadian standards to make it admissable.
HOw is your deal going on?. I do like to know where are you with your deal? I will appreciate if you reply me on my personal email " wrajinder@hotmail.com".
In all honestly, this has pissed me off so much I'm making it a goal of mine to educate as much of the Canadian public as possible on how much Toyota and others are ripping people off in Canada. Who's with me?
1. Get a PO box in a border town for $100 for a year, and voula! You are can buy in the US. You do not need to tell them you are Candian, Afganhi or other. Just go get it and ask for the the MSO>
'mintc@tc.gc.ca'; 'Jean.B@parl.gc.ca'; 'Mulcair.T@parl.gc.ca'; 'Dion.S@parl.gc.ca'; 'Layton.J@parl.gc.ca'
Next we need to send out something to the APA and the press.
Here is a write up of what has to be done by Mr. Cannon and Mr. Harper over the course of the next few weeks. Already over 1 million people have visited the web site and clearly understand what Transportation Canada is up to .
Please provide me with a special exemption or at least have someone from transportation put down in writing to the me and the public that Honda America states that the Honda Civic 2008 does not meet Canadian Standard Specification CMVS 114 and that there is no work around. The car cannot be altered. (which we all know is a lie)
I am fully prepared to return the car but I do not want to see it back in the country in 3 years when the American leases run out and they start dumping the cars into Canada.
Again, thank you for your time in this urgent matter.
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CMVSS 114 (latest iteration) was concocted in 2003. After extensive consultation with Canadian Vehicle Manufacturers Association (CVMA), individual manufacturers, Insurance Bureau of Canada, Insurance Company of British Columbia and other industry groups it came into effect Sept. 01 2007. What is most interesting is that the cost to the manufacturers to put it in each vehicle was estimated to be $32. Equally interesting is that the European and FMVSS 114 USA were accepted up until Sept 2007 at which time the United Nations ECE standard replaced the CMVSS 114 that existed up to that time. It should be emphasized that the ICB and ICBC were supportive of a home grown after market solution or the system used by US manufacturers in high theft vehicles. All this is not cast in stone, what the politicians/bureaucrats write can be rewritten. It is not difficult for Lawrence Cannon to instruct his bureaucrats to rewrite CMVSS 114 to accept European, US and ICB/ICBC standards. We have a land border with a country that constitutes 90% of the NA market it does not make sense to have Acts/Regulations that do not take economic and geographic reality into account. The bottom line here is that Canada has a regulation that adds $4,000 to $40,000 to the cost of a car for the Canadian buyers. This regulation was not supported by the manufacturers or the insurance industry in 2003-2004 when it was formulated. Mind you it became very useful to the manufacturers and dealers over the past two years. This abomination has to be amended and it is not a long drawn out process to get Privy Council to issue the amendment. Lawrence Cannon is personally responsible for presenting his recommendations and supporting documentation to Privy Council. Privy Council is a subset of parliament, after Cannon shifts the burden to privy Council you can then find Flaherty and Harper responsible for adding $4,000 to $40,000 to the cost of your car. A $32 mod adds $4,00 to $40,00 to the cost of a car, Alice in Wonderland alive and well, living in Canadian Govt regulations.
More Background Info:
J.C., thank-you for you phone call on October 30th, in response to my e-mail. Since your response I have been working hard all week to convince the powers to be that the Honda Civic I purchased on October 2nd, 2007 should be admissible into Canada.
I just got off the phone today Saturday November 4th, 2007 at 4:40 P.M. I was informed by an RIV agent that since my car was just put on the “inadmissible list” on October 26th, but that since I bought the car on October 2nd,, that I would need a letter of “admissibility” or exemption” from Transportation Canada. I could call them at 1-800-333-0371.
The agent at the RIV led me to believe that exemptions were being given out. This was because of the late implementation of the immobilizer law of September 1st, 2007. It appears several of the Canadian and American manufacturers and many Canadian Government departments and offices were not informed. The end consumer was not properly informed when making a buying decision. I suspect that, with the hundreds of “inadmissible” cars that have been imported in September and October that sending them back is going to create a “big” headache for the Government!
Would you please talk to the powers to be and provide me with this letter by Monday November 5th, 2007
If not, would you please ensure that I receive an e-mail indicating I must return the car. This has been going back and forth for too long. My family and I need some peace. This has been very traumatizing to all of us. My wife and I cannot sleep, we are both ill over this nightmare.
While making your decision please put yourself in my position.
More Background:
On October 30th you told me that the manufacturer was the only one that could decide if their car met Canadian Standards.
I called your staff again and they indicated to me that this was a fact, and furthermore the manufacturer did not have to give any reason(S) for their decision. They told me to get a compliance letter from American Honda.
I called American Honda and they told me all their cars met Canadian Safety Standards and that they had sent all of this information to Transport Canada on October 22nd, 2007. When I asked for a letter from them, they insisted that this letter could only be sent to an American citizen that purchased a Honda and was relocating to Canada. They were not authorized to sell to Canadians and somehow I had obtained a grey market car and the warranty would not be respected. So I now have concluded that if an American citizen buys this car they can bring it into the country but not a Canadian.
On account of my persistent questions on the Standards, the next thing I heard was that Honda Canada, Honda USA, Transport Canada and the RIV all got together on a conference call and decided outright that those units that were manufactured in Canada had an extra bit of shielding to ensure their immobilizers met the standard, while the American version did not. They would not or could not provide a kit to add this shielding.
When questioned about adding a 3rd party immobilizer that met standards on top of the “supposed” illegal Honda version – Honda America stated that it would no longer guarantee that the car met Canadian Safety Standards. All the 3rd party manufacturers that I have discussed this with told me that the additional immobilizer would not affect the safety or performance of the car.
This is very bizarre! Why now on November 2, do we have this story? Will it change again next week?
So this will work for an American citizen, but not for a Canadian!
If you agree, take a minute and contact the Minister and voice your opinion:
The Honourable Lawrence Cannon
Minister of Transport, Infrastructure and Communities
Tower C - 330 Sparks St.
K1A 0N5
Telephone: 613-991-0700
Fax: 613-995-0327
E-mail:
mintc@tc.gc.ca
or
Cannon.L@parl.gc.ca
I specifically asked why they had deemed trucks made after Sept 1, 2007 were not eligible for import into Canada. They said they could/would not give me that information!! It couldn't be because of the CMVSS 114 as it states in Transport Canadas list that "As part of the RIV inspection, the importer will be required to supply documentation to prove that the vehicle came equipped with a factory installed system that complies with CMVSS 114 OR that a recognized aftermarket system that meets the intent of CMVSS 114, has been installed."
This suggests an aftermarket system is okay for this!
Another item the Toyota representative said was that the 2008 models were not eligible for import into Canada YET...
They are putting up a temporary barrier so that a year down the road 2008's will be okay for import (not a new vehicle anymore....)??
All of this adds to Toyota simply deciding NO more imports of new vehicles into Canada. This isn't because of any safety regs or emission regs, its simply Toyota protecting their Canadian dealers!
Can anyone dig up anything on this being against NAFTA or being discriminatory??
I want transport Canada to give me a letter saying the truck I want to import doesn't meet safety standards (or other standards). Seeing as this is probably not true, I doubt I'll see this.
Needless to say, Toyota didn't seem too concerned that I was fuming....
Anyone know if the Nissan trucks are in the same boat?
http://www.reportonbusiness.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20071025.wbmw_discussion1025- - /BNStory/Business/home
http://www.reportonbusiness.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20071104.whonda1104/BNStory/- - Business/home
... so i guess i will wait for the $10,000 cash rebate on my Odyssey. ahaha.
You must work for some car dealerships in Canada,and try to desperately defend ripping off business Canadians.PLEASE STOP.
I bought a Honda 2007 Odyssey EX-L in Seattle, WA not long ago.After all the costs, I saved almost $12,000 that would be enought to cover 5 years warranty and depreciation of the vehicle.Additionnally, I've already had some offers on the vehicle recently and it might profit me $ 5000.00.
Those will make you awake.
A manufacturer is fully within its rights to penalize a dealership for violating that agreement.
It would appear that certain manufacturers are taking this more seriously than others. Right down to refusung to provide documentation for importing a car.
Also, it would appear that the Canadian gov't is colluding in this.
Since they stand to lose a fair amount of revenue as well.
The bottom line in all this is money.
Canadians aren't coming to buy cars in the US because of our cheery demeanor.
They want to save a loonie or two.
At the same time, the Canadian Gov't and the motor companies and dealers in Canada also want money.
The rules governing importing a car are always about protecting the local businesses.
If you can buy a car in the US,more power to you.
If you can't, don't make a federal case over it.
The gov't and the motor companies don't care about you as individuals. They are just fighting to protect their bottom line,same as all of you are.
netdog