2005-2007 Toyota Avalon

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  • mstemmstem Member Posts: 113
    Captain2 and others(?)

    I appreciate your comments on the use of synthetic oil in the new Avalons. Question: what about oil change intervals with using the synthetic? Have you and anyone else lengthened the standard 5K mile change interval? :confuse: Curious as to your thoughts... thanks in advance!

    Mike
  • joe369joe369 Member Posts: 61
    First off I just bought an 06 XLS with VSC, JBL, heated seats for $400 over invoice ($30,400). OTD was $33,300....did I pay a fair price?

    Also, is there any way to turn off VSC and traction control? I couldn't find any buttons yet and was wondering what I would have to do if I got stuck in snow.....

    Lastly, how do you take the 30 second delay off when you leave your car while have the headlights on "auto". Thanks
  • joe369joe369 Member Posts: 61
    Uh ohh....just saw on edmunds the invoice with the options are $29,236......I saw an invoice at the dealership that was around 30,000....did I get screwed? :( ...Unless the carpets cost 700 bucks.. :cry:
  • regisregis Member Posts: 94
    "is there any way to turn off VSC and traction control? I couldn't find any buttons yet and was wondering what I would have to do if I got stuck in snow."
    Uh... Why would you want to turn off traction control is you were stuck in the snow????

    "Lastly, how do you take the 30 second delay off when you leave your car while have the headlights on auto."

    Just click the lock button on your remote "twice".
  • joe369joe369 Member Posts: 61
    Uh... Why would you want to turn off traction control is you were stuck in the snow????"

    If you're literally stuck in snow and need to "rock" back and forth and/or spin the tires a bit to get out....
  • regisregis Member Posts: 94
    Uh... Why would you want to turn off traction control is you were stuck in the snow????"

    If you're literally stuck in snow and need to "rock" back and forth and/or spin the tires a bit to get out....


    Up here in "The Great White North", spinning wheels when stuck in snow means you stay stuck. Answering you other question about turning off VSC, this option was available in pre-05 Avalons but are on permanently now if so equipped.
  • joe369joe369 Member Posts: 61
    Bah....I don't understand why they couldn't put a lil switch to turn it off....I did remember reading in the manual somewhere that VSC and traction control can be turned off at the dealership!! urgh
  • douglas1douglas1 Member Posts: 130
    To get rid of the 30 second delay go to your dealer and ask him to change it. They can hook up a hand held computer type device and change it so the lights go off when you open the door. That's what I did. The dealer can change all sorts of things this way. Don't let them tell you it can't be done. My dealer finally let me 'play' with the thing after they changed the 30 second delay to off when opening the doors. They ought to let people know more about how you can customize things to your liking but for some reason they like to keep it secret.

    Doug
  • deaniedeanie Member Posts: 172
    Hi:
    Don't cry. Edmunds invoice price doesn't include toyota advertising charges which most dealers won't let you get away without paying. Edmunds doesn't list the advertising charge because the $$ amount charged varies according to different regions around the country. It's generally $400-$550 if I remember correctly.

    For my 05 XLS w/vsc, JBL, mats, wheel locks, glass breakage sensor I paid $32,399.xx OTD. But the OTD price is not a good number to compare. My price included 5% MD sales tax plus $100 dealer fee, and 2yrs mandatory MD vehicle registration ($210 approx). You do the math. Some have paid a little less for the same car, but most pay more.

    I think 06 Av's were more costly than 05's by a few hundred $$. Any way you slice it, you did better than many on this forum as the Av's still a hot car in most areas. You can't return it, so enjoy.
    Regards,
    Deanie
  • retired7retired7 Member Posts: 133
    Yeah, it cleans up the scuff marks real good.
  • pftaylorpftaylor Member Posts: 10
    All,
    I wanted to share photographs of my 2005 Limited before and after window tinting. The photos aren't in order but it should be easy to tell the tinted ones.

    I choose to go with a charcoal tint which has a slight brown hue to it. It looked much better than bronze on the Desert Sand Mica. I had a professional shop do it for only $175.00 in St. Pete, Florida.

    Here is the link to my photos:
    http://photobucket.com/login.php
    Username: pftaylor1319
    Password: ukulele

    Also, I went by the dealer in North Tampa to set the automatic door locks to the speed setting and they had absolutely no clue how to do it. I urged them to use the scanner but they claim if they tried that then it would wipe out the ECU completely. I am at my wits end with the crummy service from Kuhn Toyota. Any suggestions on how to change the lock setting from its default? Of course I have tried each and every suggestion on this forum all to no avail...
  • dandldandl Member Posts: 57
    Your car looks great with the window tint! Thanks for posting the pictures! As for changing the locks from the factory setting, it is all in the timing. When the manual says something like "press and hold for 5 seconds" it means EXACTLY 5 seconds. It took me quite a few tries to get it right.
    Good luck,
    Laura
  • norcalmike2norcalmike2 Member Posts: 133
    Deanie is absolutely correct. My dealer (Elk Grove Toyota in northern California) pulled his invoice out of the file and showed it to me. The TDA (Toyota Dealer Advertizing) was $538.00. I paid $30,433 for my 06 XLS equipped like Joe's plus trunk mat and wheel locks. My deal was $500.00 over invoice. I think joe369 got a very good deal.
  • tinatinatinatina Member Posts: 388
    Norcalmike 2,

    I live in North Califirnia. What was the MSRP for your vehicle? This price excluded CA taxes and fees, right?
    Thanks and have a good day.
  • 06avalonxl06avalonxl Member Posts: 7
    My opinion is that it would be a very bad idea to extend the oil change interval beyond what the owner's manual recommends during the warranty period. If you ever had any engine problems under warranty, Toyota could use that as justification to deny a claim. Mobil's web site recommends following the manufacturer's oil change recommendations under warranty, even when using their "Extended Performance" oil, which is claimed to be good for 15,000 miles.
  • alan_salan_s Member Posts: 362
    Well guys, it finally happened. I've just gone past 2,800 miles and my transmission has a problem. I was turning after driving for about 20 minutes and as I accelerated the engine revved to about 5,000 rpm as if it were in neutral without ANY forward motion at all. When stopped, I shifted to Park, waited for the engine speed to fall back to idle and shifted back into Drive. There was a loud uncharacteristic THUD and jolt as Drive "engaged" but when pressing the gas pedal the engine revved freely as if it were still in neutral. I shifted back to Park, turned the ignition off and restarted and then transmission seemed to operate normally.
    There is a DEFINITE problem with this transmission. I am dreading taking the car in to the dealer who will no doubt tell me that there is nothing wrong. I suppose I'll have to wait until it leaves me stranded.
    Not impressed. :mad:
  • tkaztkaz Member Posts: 69
    Picked up my Blizzard White LTD yesterday. Put on a 100 miles to check things out. Everything seems to be working fine. I do have a question:
    - Has anyone tried putting a piece of lexan in front of the Laser Cruise Control window? It was easy to do on our Sienna as the surround piece came off easy. If you did it, how did you do it?

    Also have not had any luck trying to change the auto door locks so they lock at 12MPH and the doors unlock when in Park. Will have to go to the delear for that I assume.

    Wish you could adjust the height of the passenger seat My wife likes it the way it is. But when she drove for a while I found it to be too high for me.

    Otherwise it is a real nice car. Fog lights are tight, no distortion in rear window, no rattles.

    Oh, the XM antenna is now inside on the rear deck next to the high brake (Dole)light. And it is much smaller than before but it is still black.
  • zekeman1zekeman1 Member Posts: 422
    WHAT?!!! Do you mean the factory is now shipping cars with XM antennas which are small and unobtrusive?! Can this be true? Perhaps they got tired of customers bitching about the brainless positioning on the trunk lid with the big black blob!
    zekeman1
  • captain2captain2 Member Posts: 3,971
    also think a bad idea if only for warranty issues - although I would think that Mobil 1 at 15k is likely providing better lubrication (and less deposit accumulation) than mineral based oils at 5k. Having trouble adjusting from the old 3k intervals I grew up with - thru 15k, have changed at 0 (no filter), 3.0, 6, 9.5, 13.
  • limiteddriverlimiteddriver Member Posts: 234
    Do a search on speed/door locks and you'll see several comments on how to do this back in the Spring. Mine finally worked when the dealer service manager used a watch to exactly time the period needed to make it work, as described in the owner's manual. Good luck.
  • limiteddriverlimiteddriver Member Posts: 234
    In my experience some BMW's have problems that clear when the ignition is turned off and back on. I wonder if some of the transmission shifting problems like yours are mometary computer glitches and not transmission problems.
  • will16will16 Member Posts: 21
    Hi
    Read the manual. it tells how to do it
  • will16will16 Member Posts: 21
    Hi the dealer will hook up a scan tool to the OBD, and it will give error codes, your under warranty, dont worry. I have an 06 with 3900, so far so good.
  • will16will16 Member Posts: 21
    If anyone wants to add a custom touch to the interior, go to a Lexus dealer and look at all the models different shift knobs. I purchased a IS350 Lexus black and chrome knob from parts dept. They all screw on the same.
  • norcalmike2norcalmike2 Member Posts: 133
    TinaTina

    THe MSRP on my 2006 XLS with JBL, traction control, carpet mats/trunk mat, and wheel locks was $33,603.00. I paid $30,433.00 plus tax and license. The dealer cost was $29,933.00. I have a copy of the dealer invoice from the dealers file if anyone would like to look at it. All I need to figure out is how to post the document here on the forum after I scan it. Hope this information is helpful.
  • norcalmike2norcalmike2 Member Posts: 133
    tkaz,

    Congratulations on your purchase. You made a comment that your fog lights are tight. My fog lights are as loose as a long necked goose. Have there been problems with the fog lights being loose? I put my 2006 XLS on my ramps and removed the plastic shield from under the engine. That gained me access to the fog lights. I could not find any bolts to tighten up. They are just snapped into place with plastic clips. I replaced the plastic engine shield and called it a day. Anybody know how to tighten the fog lights?
  • gwsgws Member Posts: 67
    "Anybody know how to tighten the fog lights?"

    A bead of clear caulk might do the trick. As the lights are likely to become pretty warm, the material probably should be non-flammable...
  • killerpiecekillerpiece Member Posts: 56
    I see that nobody has replied to you message....

    Do you have any pics? :surprise: (before and after)

    And how much did you pay?

    killerpiece
  • vicmvicm Member Posts: 18
    Had my 05 Ltd in for the loose fog lights. The dealer checked 8 06 Avalons in the lot, they all had loose fog light housing. Said they could find no TSB or any way to fix them. Will have to wait till Toyota comes up with a fix. Yeah, sure.....
  • tedescm1tedescm1 Member Posts: 309
    What year is your Avalon?

    and what did your dealer say?
  • tedescm1tedescm1 Member Posts: 309
    Are the trany problems wide spread or few in number.
  • tomh2tomh2 Member Posts: 8
    I want to start off by saying that without the help of this forum Toyota might not have sold me on a 2006 Desert Sand Avalon Limited. The information and, sometimes lively, discussions were invaluable in me making my decision to buy one. In addition, all the info for add on accesories was a huge help in dressing out this baby.

    Let's start at the beginnng:

    I'm 53, married, no kids, 6'2" 240#(on a good day), first time import buyer with lots of Ford, GM and Chrysler experience. Nothing in it's price range compares to my Avalon.

    I ordered the car on August 3rd and it was built the week of Oct 3rd with me taking delivery on 10/13. About 9 weeks. I'd tested the Chrysler 300, Ford 500, Infinity G35 and Nissan Maxima before making my decision.

    MSRP with the Nav, VSC, TC, Remote Start, spoiler, mats and XM was $39,001. My dealer, Montrose Toyota, discounted this a couple of thou.

    I had the dealer and Custom Trim install the following items that I found on this forum and bought on line. Color keyed side door moldings and mud guards, a gold emblem package, Sensortronic back up system and a reverse image back up camera. I also had the 3M Scotchgard paint protectant installed on the full front end, mirrors, door edge and lamps. They also relocated the XM antenna to the center trunk deck with no change in reception.

    Upon delivery I showed up with my 4 pages of complaints that I'd printed and surprised the service people with. And now, after my first 350 miles I can honestly say that I have had zero defects with this car. Fog lights seem tight, interior seams are lined up and spaced properly, no rattles or squeaks. I had them reduce the tire pressure to 34-36 cold psi for a better ride. The seat comfort is fine for me coming out of a Windstar. They are surely firm but with all of the possible adujustments I'm sure I can always find a comfortable position. I love the seat/thigh extender. I also love that leather smell! Even the Nav unit put me in the right spot for my "home" location.

    My first tank of 92 octane gave me 24.8 mpg with about 80/20 city/hwy driving. The acceration is terrific for a V6 and the tranny, so far, has been flawless. The sequential shift and laser cruise will be used a lot.

    I'm listing some photos as well as some links below. There is one photo of the hood where I tried to show the very fine line from the 3M mask. You have to be right on top of it to really see it.

    Thanks for all of your posts.

    Photos
    http://photobucket.com/albums/c359/avyltd/
    Password is avyltd

    Video module
    http://www.audioandvideointerfaces.com/home.htm

    Video camera
    http://www.mymobilevision.com/

    Door moldings
    http://www.dawn-ent.com/

    Mud guards
    http://www.anythingtoyota.com/

    Backup System
    http://www.xenso.com.my/parking_sensor.htm

    3M paint protector
    http://solutions.3m.com/wps/portal/!ut/p/kcxml/04_Sj9SPykssy0xPLMnMz0vM0Q9KzYsPDdaP0I8yize- INzL21i_IcFQEAG3lt4Q!

    Emblem package
    http://store.goldrushplating.com/

    Toyota info
    http://mynewavalon.com/

    Still waiting for a decent iPod connection and maybe some window tint and gold pinstriping.

    If you see me cruising, honk.

    Tom H.
  • captain2captain2 Member Posts: 3,971
    favorable Ltd. review in the 2006/07 new cars issue of Motor Trend. Also in the same issue a review of the Lexus GS300 which apparently uses a 3 liter version of the Av 3.5 - it used to be a straight 6. The replaceble element filter has now made it to this car, as well as the IS350 (which I think has the same engine as our Avs but 300 hp and RWD)- we are no longer alone with this 'old fashioned tech.!Interesting comment in the GS article, criticizing Lexus for not using the Av engine in the new GS, but it turns out that our 3.5's are only 20 hp short of the Lexus 4.3 V8s so they didn't want to rob sales from the GS430. GS350/GS460 and LS460 expected as 2008 models. Would assume also an ES350 with power and size similar to the Av coming soon at some sort of price premium.
  • alan_salan_s Member Posts: 362
    Mine is one of the last '05s. Build date of June.
    I decided to wait a bit and see if this happens again, and see if I can do anything to replicate the problem so I can show the dealer.
    It seemed to happen "between shifts" ie. instead of shifting from 5th to 2nd or whatever, it selected neutral instead of a lower gear and became totally confused from that point on. I had to reboot it by restarting. Definitely seems like a software glitch to me. If it happens more than once it gives me more leverage with the dealer.
    I hope Windows CE hasn't crept into Toyota ECU's... Blue Screen of Death dashboards... throw everyone out of the car, empty the trunk and reboot...
  • limiteddriverlimiteddriver Member Posts: 234
    IMHO the problem is not widespread. There has been a few mentioned here but forum members are probably a very small part of the Avalon owners out there.
  • captain2captain2 Member Posts: 3,971
    think your last paragraph may be closer to the truth - have a friend that has a Titan truck, brand new - gets stuck in traffic on a hot day, the transmission 'decided' to quit working altogether. Towed back to the dealer, they do get an error code, but they can't recreate the problem, and now everything is 'fine' after rebooting the computer - sound familiar? One of the new kinds of problems I think we all are learning to deal with as technology inches its way into the engine compartments of today's cars. Suggest everybody read a few long term tests on German cars - nothing but electronic gremlins.
    I personally don't think that there is anything inherently wrong with the Av tranny at all - problems like this possibly more related to the control problems in those nasty engine computers.
  • tstrick320tstrick320 Member Posts: 64
    I hope Windows CE hasn't crept into Toyota ECU's...

    Just keep your anti-virus up to date and you should be fine except for the occasional need to do a "clean boot" by re-installing the engine and transmission from scratch. ;)
  • norcalmike2norcalmike2 Member Posts: 133
    Tom H.

    Thanks for the great web sites for accessories.

    What do you think of the quality of the mud guards
    you purchased from anythingtoyota.com ?

    Thanks Mike
  • norcalmike2norcalmike2 Member Posts: 133
    Anybody think that the fog lights are supposed to
    be loose in the event an errant rock decides to
    bounce off them, ergo no shattered lens? I'm just
    thinking outloud here. There has got to be a reason
    for the lights to be intalled the way they are.
  • nimiminimimi Member Posts: 249
    I purchased Blue Mirage Metallic mud guards from anythingtoyota and installed them on my '06 Limited. The instructions were good, they installed easily and they look great!
  • tomh2tomh2 Member Posts: 8
    For the money they were quite good. The paint however is not a 100% match. Close, but not quite. You can see that in the photos. I'm thinking that maybe over time it will match a little better. The guards from anythingtoyota is a dealer in Houston. The guards were painted and shipped from Canada.
  • alan_salan_s Member Posts: 362
    I agree. Toyota have over-complicated the transmission by overengineering the computerization. The previous 4 speed tranny was a model of smoothness, shifted intuitively and never had any of these problems.
    I can't see why introducing an extra cog should complicate matters to this degree, and if it does then stay with the 4-speed. At any rate, Toyota has been using this 5-speed transmission in Camrys and ES300/ES330's since 2002. Having manufactured several million units since, Toyota should have resolved these issues long ago. I was aware of the Camry/ES300 tranny problems and really believed that Toyota would not introduce the new Avalon with known problems especially considering that the drivetrain is about to be used in one form or another in almost every new Toyota and Lexus product. So much for a leap of faith.
    Why is it that Nissan, Honda and even Hyundai have gotten their drive-by-wire throttles and 5-speeds right and Toyota hasn't?
    Who needs a super smart tranny that "learns" driver's habits anyway? Sometimes I drive sedately and other times I enjoy the vehicle. Which "profile" has the tranny "learned?". What about when my wife drives the car? Doesn't that mess up the "learned profile"? Remember the Power/Econ button Toyotas used to control the transmission shiftpoints? I'd rather have that any day than these stupidly overly "smart" systems that only serve to outsmart themselves. I am in the software business, and yes - you can certainly overdo computerization and overly automate things to the detriment of the end product. Sometimes simplicity itself is beautiful.
    I just hope I don't accidentally hit the Reformat button the next time I open the gas tank...
  • will16will16 Member Posts: 21
    Sorry- don't have digital camera. Just go to your Lexus dealer and look at all the models. I paid $60
  • mw4543mw4543 Member Posts: 1
    Could you send me the 4 pages of complaints you showed your dealer?

    How secure are the door moldings?

    Mark
  • dcboaterdcboater Member Posts: 16
    Been a while since my last posting so let me remind you: 2006 Blizzard Pearl Avy Limited ordered from Koons Arlington Toyota, loaded with everything except Sat Radio. 8 week build time, having taken delivery the 1st week of September. Agree with TomH2 (great post btw), this board was an immense source of knowledge before, in, during, and now after, my purchase of my Avy.

    I too have added the 3M Invisi-bra on the nose and all forward facing components (mirrors, lights, hood, etc.) and REALLY am impressed. Although I live just outside of Washington DC in NOVA, I travel to the Philly area (too much as of late) and found a very meticulous guy just outside of Philly that did the 3M installation and "DID IT RIGHT", just like it was his own vehicle - I will post the company contact info if requested.

    I just turned 3,000 miles and, as part of the ongoing I95 repaving in Northeast Maryland, I have fallen victim to a rock/pebble in the middle of my "line of sight" on my beloved Avy at app. 80 mph. Darned thing sounded like my car took a direct shot from a 12 gauge ! :surprise:

    So far it has not spread, is about the size of a nickel and I have called my Insurance company to fix/replace. I am electing to have it repaired by Safelite (at my office - zero cost or deductible) and am wondering what to look for when they are doing it?

    Has anyone had their windshield repaired instead of having it replaced --- if so, can you shed any advice ?

    I have had my first free oil change at the dealer and they did 6 full quarts - kudos to Koons for not having to be told. I have been averaging 30.8 mpg (90% highway driving) on 87 octane, normally at about 75 to 82 mph, laser cruise on (where possible - LOVE THAT ACCESSORY), and A/C on always. About 40% better gas mileage than I EVER had in ANY of my Q45s (owned Q's exclusively from 1992 to 2005), even if the Q was going downhill in a stiff tailwind.

    I am 44 y/o, single, 6'1", 180 lbs and an ex PCA member (raced it too !) - will have another 993 again someday.

    The color matched mudguards are perfect and anythingtoyota.com was superb in the transaction. Sorry to ramble. :shades:

    I will post pictures soon - any insight on what I should look for in my windshield repair ?

    Thanks as always,
    dcboater
  • fmayberryfmayberry Member Posts: 33
    dcboater - what kind of deal did you get from Koons? I am in the NOVA area and have talked to Koons Tysons. Didn't seem to want to budge much more that $1,800 off MSRP.
  • dcboaterdcboater Member Posts: 16
    fmayberry, See my post # 8452 to see my Out the door price. The entire buying experience was the best I have ever experienced.

    Also, I just made my email public so if you want more details, please feel free to contact me directly. I received nearly $2600 off MSRP, plus free oil changes for 2 years/25k miles, and opted for the Toyota Platinum 100K mile/zero deductible warranty for $1100 - I know, the dealer cost is $985, but I was already MORE than satisfied with my purchasing experience - not to mention the value given to my trade in. Heck, I even gave the salesman a gift certificate to a local restaurant !

    Guess that is just my nature - what comes around goes around right !!! :D

    dcboater
  • cjponlinecjponline Member Posts: 17
    I also purchased indigo ink mud guards from anythingtoyota.com. Great quality: perfect paint color match, great materials, all mounting hardware included.
  • n0v8orn0v8or Member Posts: 169
    Given that one of my fog lights arrived loose, and the other tight, I find it difficult to support your line of reasoning. Good try, though.
  • n0v8orn0v8or Member Posts: 169
    Oil refill (with new filter) should be 6.4 quarts, not 6 full quarts. Perhaps the Kudos were not deserved.

    If the windshield repair is not satisfactory; you couild later opt for the replacement. Particularly so if the repair does not pass muster with your State's safety inspection (if your state has one).
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