ingnition hit it twice no foot on brake! reset on ODO to ODO not trip. Hit ODO reset 10sec then buckle seat belt on driver side then hit reset ODO again until miles turns to BAxxxx off then turn the car off
I find the seat in my 05 Limited is less comfortable than in my older XLS Avalon. I have tried two different seat pads. The first was about 1" thick but had a slippery cloth over it and kept sliding around even following my backside out of the car, the pad ending up on the street. The second pad is about 1-1/2" thick but has a non-slip material on the bottom and it stays put on the seat. The downside of both is takes a while for the seat heat to work its way through pad, seat ventilation will not penetrate. Must remove pad periodically to cool backside in summer. Pad is a typical chair pad purchased at one of the leading discount stores.
Back up camera; I installed the exact same system 2 weeks ago. The directions were not too easy to follow. Requires several reviews to follow but it works. It is real good at night. Only complaint--color is on the green side.
Where did you get accessary power connection? I ran a wire along side the kick pads and found a hot wire at the fuse box. I installed a radio fuse in this power line. The manual did not mention the need for one.
I believe the camera is better than the "Bumble Bee" type one on the Lexus.
I looked at Lexus' BU cam on ES330 it is under trunk lid. I don't think it is a CCD buy a CMOS camera. Not as good as an CCD. Ours is very very good in low light. I highly recommend this install if you have NAV screen
John-----quickly find a new dealer--your dealer must be in Oz!!! I've seen an Avalon with a canvas roof--YUCK--so I can imagine how a roof rack would look! What state are you in? Bob
All: Made the call to the Toyota Hotline re: transmission problem and got a Case #--couldn't have been easier. The more documentation ya have--the better your case! Good Luck!!!! Bob
I had been the proud owner of a 2006 Avalon Limited for 9 months. For the record, I never had any of the problems plaque many who post here. About a month ago, an oncomming truck lost control and crashed into me nearly head on at high speed. EVERY safety feature of the car worked perfectly, and I walked away completely unharmed from an approximately 70MPH crash. Needless to say I am getting another Avalon. I ordered an 2007 Limited last weekend. I specifically asked for a 2007 model year. Kings Toyota told me that is all that is being produced now, and it is supposed to come in by August 12th. Unfortunately, no one knows for sure what specific changes are coming. All I have been able to confirm specifically is a Tire Pressure Warning system will be added. I am hoping for the 6 speed trans, MP3 input, power telescoping steering wheel. Anyone out there know what the changes will be? Thanks.
Go to the Toyota Avalon folder to find a new discussion about tires and wheels. After you click on that link, you'll want to click on "Track This Group" so you don't miss any other new Avalon discussions.
I've been reading about all the people who purchased an Avalon, only to experience the tranny problems later on. I took the car on one test drive, and could tell there was something wrong. The salesman played stupid of course. The NAV function is confusing, the door on the radio is poorly designed (i.e., ugly as hell), the interior color options are something only the Japanese could do (an ebony interior option ONLY on the Touring??...c'mon guys, any idiot knows that option should be for at least the Limited model as well...not too mention, the coloring layout is plain and bland), and it should have power tilt and telescope.
As for a tire pressure monitoring system - you can have that, but I'd rather see changes like the ones I mentioned first.
They did add Bluetooth finally, so good job on that much needed upgrade. By the way, dealers will never admit to what next years model will have, as they want to sell you the model they have in the showroom.
This car could be a GREAT seller with some of the changes we've all been talking about on this site. Actually, this is encouraging for the Americans....the Japanese are finally starting to slide, while we're turning things around. Let the games begin!
I just finished up the first year of my 2005 XLS. I have just under 15K on her and average about 26-27 MPG on mixed driving.
The car is a great ride. I have minimal issues with the transmission hesitation but it has shown up at the worst times. I have a terrible cold weather rattle that they cannot find. That was the only issue I have with the car itself. I have issues with the electronics on the XM and the Nav. Programming the NAV is an exercise in masochism. I will say that once programmed, the system works pretty well. However, it recently stopped guidance while I was trying to find a funeral home in an unfamiliar town. The town was small enough I cwas able to get there. I Hate the I ACCEPT screen and the inability to program it on the move. The lawyers have taken over Toyota I fear
The XM is a great but the limitation of 10 characters is laughable for a integrated system. I don't know if this was a cost cutting measure or yet another big brother lawyer issue.
i do notice a good number of paint chips on the front of the car. I am wondering if they have cheapened the paint. between my wife and I we have had at least 12 Toyotas and we have not seen it this bad.
Overall I am happy with the car. I just put the side moldings on a few weeks ago and I love how it breaks up the sides. I am not sure if they will protect the car or not though.
I gleaned a little more info. about the 07' model...
[NV-07] Voice Activated DVD Navigation System JBL Synthesis AM/FM 6-Disc In-Dash Changer w/12 Speakers (360 Watts), Power Moonroof with Sliding Sunshade, Heated Outside Mirrors with Drivers-Side Auto-Dimming Feature and Auto-Dimming Rearview Mirror with Compass and Homelink Universal Transceiver
They sure threw in the goodies on this code. Heated mirrors are new, driver's auto dimming is new for the Touring.
It doesn't look like much else changes besides the tire pressure monitor we've heard about. Sorry but it looks like that 6 speed stays with the Camry for now.
I live in Northern Canada, and I have found a device that lets you install any remote start system you want in a car with Smart Key (or chip on key) to a large range of Toyota Lexus cars... Best part it doesn't require a key/transponder left in the car. Here's the link: http://bypasskits.fortinautoradio.com/products/bypass_kits/key-override-sl/ The local shop I use had it installed in 45 minutes with Compustar 2 way for remote start. I put it in my IS350, but it claims to work with Avvy.
I purchased my new 2006 Avalon Limited Feb. 2006. I have driven 9,000 enjoyable miles. This car is the finest I have ever owned, and I have bought MB, porsche, Hondas,and Cadillacs. This car is quiet, has excellent performance, and when I take a trip I get over 32 MPG. Engine is so smooth and quiet I have to look at the tachometer to see if the engine is still running. Transmission is flawless because I have had "drive by wire" before and I know how to position my foot on the gas pedal. I love the adaptive cruise, cooled seats, HID headlights, drivers seat extension, and the quality of the materials used, the fit and finish is remarkable., i have been reading some of these posts for a few months and have to shake my head and laugh. I bought this Avalon based on the recommendations of two very satisfied 2006 Avalon owners, I have recommended to a co worker and amy sister who both purchased a 2006 Avalon. We all love this car and have never had any problems what so ever. Ask around, find someone who owns an Avalon, get there opinion, get some owners names from someone who sells Avalons. i wouldn't rely on some of the whiners that post on this site. Remember, keep in mind that most people have no problems with their cars, that is why you don't hear from them.. There are thousands of satisfied 2005 & 2006 Avalon owners that you that do not even know of this forum, it seems to me that most forum's are a few people who just love to complain and [non-permissible content removed], they are never satisfied, these`are they "half empty" glass people. In the meantime myself and the thousands of the other satisfied Avalon owners LOVE OUR AVALONS.
icefisherman: The Forum is just that, an avenue to openly talk about the "good & bads" of the subjectr car. Like you, I have an 06 Limited--love the car--but--it DOES have shortfalls and the purpose of this open line of communication is to help those "undecided" buyers make intelligent decisions. There ARE problems with the transmission---OK--you have to "teach" it how to shift or you have to have your foot just so on the accelerator-----most folks are unaware of this quirk---they assume an automatic transmission shifts up and down effortlessly and automatically--without having to be taught. Me, I've just resigned myself to using the "manual mode" whenever I know the obvious issue of the :lurching" tranny will arise. The Nav System is a JOKE---a $39K car shouldn't have a 20th Century "joystick" to operate the system. My fault here--I just figured Lexus/Toyota--same Nav System--oh well--so much for a $2,000 mistake. We all know there are those who'd "[non-permissible content removed]" if they were giving away $10 bills on the corner--they'd wonder why they weren't $20's. The fact still remains, there are issues with the Avalon and the Forum is a great place to speak out and also be heard. I do belive, "$$$ 4 $$$"--the Avalon is the BEST buy. Bob
because you have a flawless experience - this suggests others do have a problem which should be possible to correct. that's what keeps many of these people in their rides. they also love their vehicle EXCEPT for the powertrain and response of the accelerator.
i'm curious - why do you consider these people winers when they complain of a system which they paid very good money for, are probably still making payments on, but don't derive satisfaction using? they are most always diehard toyota fans, having history owning one or more toyota models in previous years.
certainly they have expectations from this manufacturer on quality.
as surely as you are very happy with your drive, if by chance you weren't because of some problem and you had sought assistance numerous times but were basically told "everything is fine", would you still be so happy with your purchase?
I'll try to make this post as diplomatic as possible, and hopefully not ruffle too many feathers, but after reading many posts about the Avalon (and Camry) I find your comments speak directly to my exact same sentiments. First of all, I should clarify that I just made a purchase decision between the two--bought the Avalon to replace our 2000 XLS which performed flawlessly for almost 7 years. I too, spoke to others about their experiences, and found literally everyone I spoke with quite pleased, with no concerns about any 'trans. hesitation'(or any other concerns) being reported anywhere. I have come to the same conclusion as you, basically that just a few with concerns are by far the dominant posters in these forums, and their negatives being expressed aren't anywhere near representative of the majority of owner's experiences. ( To be honest, I found myself wondering if some of these negative posts were for real!) I also concur with your feelings that very often it's the same people appearing in many of these forums giving vent to their frustrations repeatedly, for whatever reason. All said, I believe as you do that some will always be prone to look at things in life in a negative context--the 'half empty' approach. I think we see lots of that in these forums, but that's life I guess. Right now, I'm fine with my purchase and don't expect anything to change, although it wouldn't surprise me in the least if posts like ours will bring forth a flurry of rebuttal to the contrary by those who seem to resent any good news.
I understand what you are trying to say. I've had vehicles with problems over the years, and can identify with being 'unhappy' when that happened. But where does being 'unhappy' stop, and getting obsessively critical begin? There seems to be a lot of that in more than a few posts here. Expressing one's unhappiness endlessly in a forum isn't, in my opinion, a productive or constructive way to solve problems. I firmly believe that if there are genuine car problems (action word is 'genuine'), then there are many constructive ways to get them resolved. Constant bitching in a forum isn't one of them, although information in a forum can point one in the right direction, so forums do have value. When I hear people saying "the dealer says it's 'normal' and refuses to do anything", I find myself wondering if we're hearing only one side. Is there a failure to communicate there? Did the owner have an attitude when talking to the dealer? Is the problem 'real' enough to convince? What about a second opinion from an independent source? Seems to me many of the stories being told didn't go very far before constructive communication fell apart, and positive action was replaced by just plain bitching. Sorry for the long winded litany, but I honestly believe that if people are having these kinds of problems and can't seem to get them resolved, then we're not hearing the whole story, and they sure aren't doing all things that could (and should) be done to get satisfaction. Meanwhile, we're off on a cross country hike in the new Avalon. If opportunity presents, we'll post a comment or two on how things are going.
Folks: I bought the Avalon Limited (1st Toyota) based upon reviews and knowledge that Toyota was noted for quality and longevity. I didn't know about this Forum or I certainly would have read the responses. To be fair, I've had 3 friends drive my Limited--one has a 98 Camry with over 165K on it--trouble free, another has a 2005 LaCrosse and the other a 2004 Suburban. I never told them about the transmission issue. I just said I wanted them to come down the hill, slow, check for traffic and then go as they would in their vehicles. WOW--what the hell was that--this ain't right, their responses when the RPM's shot up over 3,000 and then the "lurching tanny" took over. They couldn't believe it. I told them that Toyota says this is NORMAL---all said--BS!! I'm talking about 4 drivers with almost 200 years of combined experience. They all noticed how the transmission seemed to constantly be searching for the right gear---I said--glad you've experienced the same thing as me!! Of course there are "trouble free" Avalons--I'm glad for those owners. However, Avalons DO have a transmission problem--one or two complaints probably just coincidental--but--there are tooooooooo many owners complaining. The LaCrosse, Suburban, wife's Jeep Grand Cherokee Ltd, the 98 Camry and my F-150 truck all shift perfectly and I don't have to remember where to put my foot on the gas pedal. Next visit to the dealer and the Service Mgr and I are going for a ride--I'll show him how to "duplicate" the lurching tranny--it does it everytime. I just use the "manual" mode--I know it works fine, and besides, it takes this 62 year old back to the days of his Buick Gran Sport!! Maybe Toyuota should put in a clutch--just like the old Chrysler's used to have in their Fluid Drive cars--drive it auto or manual--you choose--and--you didn't have to worry about where ya put your foot on the gas or clutch pedals! Overall--one damn fine car--just get the quirky tranny problem solved and update the antiquated Nav System. Bob
i don't think we are hearing the whole story either.
i understand your point though.
but, it's a stretch to say it is merely a customer education issue. we have people complaining about vehicles going back a few years to the DBW system on Lexus vehicles. It didn't just pop up with the 2005+ Avalon.
we aren't seeing these complaints across a number of models, for a range of years for non-Lexus/Toyota models.
and we have people claiming absolutely flawless operation. so - no, i don't think this is customer education or customer sensitivity.
we have people claiming their safety was or is compromised. i take those reports at face value, not illegit, whining, b_tching, moaning or groaning, non-genuine, just as i take the reports of flawless operation as genuine.
Taking comments in these forums at face value seems admirable, to say the least, but I wonder if such an altruistic position is always wise. Wouldn't it be interesting if we could get both sides of the story? Anyway, things are slow on the farm just now, wheat's off, beans and corn are doing well on their own, so we're going East in the new Avalon. Should be a good test. Cheers.
Changed the oil and filter myself on our 2005 Avalon, and it took exactly 6.2 quarts to bring it to the full level.
Also, oil was brown after 4,000 miles of combination city/highway driving - so that will be our oil change interval from now on (at least). Used Pennzoil 5w-30 from WalMart. Sounds quieter, not as much slight tapping as before. Wonder what the Toyota dealership used in the first oil change, didn't sound as good as this! The engine is a little more broken in now too, though still no full throttle accelerations (yes, we baby it ridiculously).
This is the same brand oil I've been using in my 1993 Toyota pickup from since 101,000 miles (now has 230,000). No synthetic for me, regular oil seems to work fine. The truck still does not burn oil and I'm driving it to Washington, DC on Sunday.
Our Bridgestone Potenza (stock) tires are showing very little wear. Despite the low treadwear rating of 160, the tires still read 8.5/32 out of 9.5/32 (initial reading) all around after 12,500 miles. Don't let the fact they aren't Michelin's scare you, like it did for us initially!
Contrasting, the 2000 Mercedes C-Class that the Avalon replaced needed its orginial tires replaced after 25,000 miles :mad: . I think these will go a lot further!
I would like to be able to change the odometer digital read out of the 2006 Avalon from miles to kilometers. This would make tracking distances travelled in the US or Canada easier. Who is able to make this change: the car owner; a dealer; or is this a factor setting?
Drove almost 1200 clicks Friday the 28th and ended up in Sherbrooke PQ that evening. I'm thankful my French works OK or we would have starved. Yesterday we drove right through to Halifax NS, roughly another 1200K. Hotel here has internet so we can update the adventure. So far the new Avalon is humming right along with no evidence of any of the dreaded lurching, hesitation or spiking a few folks have complained about. I have some real trouble with reports those complaints are as severe as some are saying. Mileage is better than expected, averaging 7.5 to 8L per 100K. Smooth as silk so far. No rattles, no oil consumption to speak of (oil still looks untainted), all systems working as advertised. Four adults on board, along with a trunk FULL of luggage. We'll spend a couple of days here in Halifax and then work our way North up the East coast North to Cape Breton, across the big bridge to PEI, then come back down the West side of NS, around the bottom of the peninsula then back up the East coast to Halifax again. By the time we get back home (three weeks or more depending) we will have logged 10 to 12,000K so it will be a thorough shakedown of this (so far) excellent vehicle. Will check in again along the route when lodging has internet service available. So far this car is everything we expected and more.
Glad you're enjoying your new Avalon, congratulations. I'm sorry you have trouble with those that have reported severe problems with theirs. Before you make judgment, consider this. I'm sitting at a traffic light, the light turns green, I apply pressure to the accelerator, the RPM jumps up, the vehicle doesn't move ,then the transmission engages (late) the two front tires begin to bake down, smoke flies everywhere,other drivers are looking at you like you're a fool. Try this; attempt to merge into heavy traffic with minimal space, you apply pressure to the accelerator and again the RPM jumps up, but, without forward movement (other than coasting), again the transmission engages late, you're committed whether you like it or not...this is death waiting to happen. These two incidents have happened to me along with several others.
Please don't condemn those of us that have been plagued with such a problem. Some may have the same experience as I... 35+ years repairing automobiles, and we know the problem does exist.One consolation though, I do know lemon law, I do know SUE and I recognize braggarts.
Once again, congratulations, we're glad you got the one without the worm, maybe next we'll be so lucky.
The Avalon behavior that you report has been also reported by others, but it is not "normal" and of course could be dangerous. Now, in order for the RPM to rise, you are the one giving it the gas. Many posts have emphasized a need to "go easy" on the gas pedal, for good acceleration. Since you are having this problem, I suggest you try these 3 things:
1. On start-ups after a red light, try to only give MINIMAL gas and hold the pedal pressure steady. Once you find the right pedal pressure, the RPM will rise only moderately and the car will accelerate right away. If you give too much gas, on the other hand, the engine can seem to run away from you and leave the car behind.
2. If you have trouble giving the right amount of gas pedal pressure, try to RE-POSITION your foot more vertical. Have you tried this yet? Move the seat forward, make sure to rest the heel on the floor, and make contact higher up on the gas pedal. This makes it harder to step too much on the gas. But you will still need to find the right LIGHT amount of pedal pressure.
3. Instead of driving in "D", make a habit of shifting to "S" and 5. The car should shift more predictably and will not "hesitate" between gears as much. But you will still need to give it the same LIGHT pedal pressure.
You own a powerful, fast and, admittedly, a bit quirky car, but ultimately it is YOU who is stepping on the gas pedal. See it these tips help with curbing runaway RPM behavior.
If you try these but they don't help at all, then it may be time for lemonade, I'm afraid.
you write: You own a powerful, fast and, admittedly, a bit quirky car, but ultimately it is YOU who is stepping on the gas pedal. See it these tips help with curbing runaway RPM behavior.
actually, with DBW, when you step on the gas, there is quite a bit of intermediary technology between the accelerator and the throttle body, right?
there is no "direct" linkage between the accelerator and throttle position sensor and actuator.
so i suspect that others with the same car, without this behavior have the same ECU/TCM (Engine Control Unit, and Transmission Control Module) and firmware (revision of embedded software in the controller's "flash").
again, it's just my opinion, but i really believe 9119911 and some of the other posters have a bad accelerator pedal or throttle position sensor or transmission.
toyota engineers wouldn't have designed an automatic drivetrain you have to manually adjust the gearing in order for it to behave and respond as it should.
this is hardware, not software or driving style related.
We are still in Halifax and will be leaving tomorrow morning on our trek northward, but I am obliged to respond to your comments, especially the clearly personal remark about 'recognising braggarts'. It was a surprise, and I feel it was unwarranted. I am also surprised at your concerns that I had trouble with severity of some conditions being posted about the hesitation. That's just a general opinion and it certainly wasn't intended as judgement or a personal slight toward anyone. My intentions in reporting our experiences with the new Avalon weren't about 'bragging' as you put it. On the contrary I felt a sort of 'road test report' might be of some general interest in this forum. Evidently this kind of thing is displeasing to some, and evidently not acceptable by such as yourself. So I won't continue with our experiences in order to avoid further irritation, and I apologize to anyone else who felt as you do. Best to all.
I think you would have to replace your existing instrument panel insert in order to convert Miles to Kilometers or visa versa. I don't think there's a quick fix. I assume you are in the US and want a helpful conversion factor when travelling in Canada, so here's a helpful hint. For what it's worth, when converting Kms to Miles, just multiply Kms by .6. Example: 100Kms = 60 Miles. (It's not exact, but close enough for government work!!)
Most people are interested in reading everyone's experiences, good, bad or both - those kinds of posts are exactly why the CarSpace Forums exist. Those who don't want to read "good" experiences should just skip the posts, and those who don't want to read "bad" experiences should do the same. There is no need to stop posting how things are going with your Avalon.
you write: "i really believe 9119911 and some of the other posters have a bad accelerator pedal or throttle position sensor or transmission."
"this is hardware, not software or driving style related."
If the pedal or sensor were defective in some cars, then their behavior would be driver-independent. But it seems that some drivers have more difficulty at controlling the engine than others, in the same car. IMO these components are not defective, but they require a certain type of input signal (slow and smooth ramp+hold increases in pedal pressure). Whether they are DBW or direct linkage should not matter. Direct linkage mechanisms can be very complex and quirky, too.
I think the "sometimes indecisive" transmission misbehaviors are a different matter, firmware-dependent and probably correctable with new firmware, but as captain2 and others have commented, if you have yours "corrected" you may be paying a price in either acceleration or fuel economy, or both.
Time will tell if these issues are harware, software or driving style related, but I think driving style does matter.
Like pat said, at least some of us appreciate your posts, keep us updated. My only suggestion is that for your next big trip you consider heading West, check out how your Avalon performs when crossing the Rockies. Your fuel economy and brake life will suffer a little with the big climbs, but the views will be exceptional!
Thanks user777, but I don't think that Camry post is pertinent to the Avalon.
My understanding is that some early 2007 Camrys had indeed defective 6-speed transmissions (made by GM?), which are being fixed or replaced, but this is a completely different transmission from the Avalon's.
Perhaps a reason why the 2007 Avalon is expected to keep its "trusty" 5-speed...
Whether its the whole story or not, many of us don't have the time to endlessley type details of "he said, she said" as background to our discussions. As I've pointed out, I love the car, except that it has a transmission issue. This has been corroborated by others commenting on this forum. Yes, it is up to us to do something about it. In my case, I immediately drove it to the dealer and conveyed my problem. It was the service manager who dubbed the term "quirky transmission"; not me. Shortly after making a service appointment, I called Toyota and opened a complaint file. The tech on the other end of the phone dubbed the term "lurching transmission"; not me So, ignorance may be bliss, but the problem is apparently real. Also, anyone experiencing this "RPM surge/trans hesitation" when the cruise control is activated ?? Took the car on a 3 hr trip and used cruise control most of the way. Noticed that when I came to an gradual uphill climb, it did the same thing. Wondering if this eliminates some of the variability in trying diagnose root cause.
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ingnition hit it twice no foot on brake!
reset on ODO to ODO not trip.
Hit ODO reset 10sec then buckle seat belt on driver side
then hit reset ODO again until miles turns to BAxxxx off
then turn the car off
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Where did you get accessary power connection? I ran a wire along side the kick pads and found a hot wire at the fuse box. I installed a radio fuse in this power line. The manual did not mention the need for one.
I believe the camera is better than the "Bumble Bee" type one on the Lexus.
I am in process of purchasing an avalon over the internet, and the dealer is stating the 2006 Avalon Limited I am looking at has a roof rack.
Has anyone EVER heard of a roof rack on an Avalon???
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Enjoy!
Where do I find the "Track This Group" box? I don't see it on the forum page.
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The NAV function is confusing, the door on the radio is poorly designed (i.e., ugly as hell), the interior color options are something only the Japanese could do (an ebony interior option ONLY on the Touring??...c'mon guys, any idiot knows that option should be for at least the Limited model as well...not too mention, the coloring layout is plain and bland), and it should have power tilt and telescope.
As for a tire pressure monitoring system - you can have that, but I'd rather see changes like the ones I mentioned first.
They did add Bluetooth finally, so good job on that much needed upgrade. By the way, dealers will never admit to what next years model will have, as they want to sell you the model they have in the showroom.
This car could be a GREAT seller with some of the changes we've all been talking about on this site. Actually, this is encouraging for the Americans....the Japanese are finally starting to slide, while we're turning things around. Let the games begin!
Rich
The car is a great ride. I have minimal issues with the transmission hesitation but it has shown up at the worst times. I have a terrible cold weather rattle that they cannot find. That was the only issue I have with the car itself. I have issues with the electronics on the XM and the Nav. Programming the NAV is an exercise in masochism. I will say that once programmed, the system works pretty well. However, it recently stopped guidance while I was trying to find a funeral home in an unfamiliar town. The town was small enough I cwas able to get there. I Hate the I ACCEPT screen and the inability to program it on the move.
The lawyers have taken over Toyota I fear
The XM is a great but the limitation of 10 characters is laughable for a integrated system. I don't know if this was a cost cutting measure or yet another big brother lawyer issue.
i do notice a good number of paint chips on the front of the car. I am wondering if they have cheapened the paint. between my wife and I we have had at least 12 Toyotas and we have not seen it this bad.
Overall I am happy with the car. I just put the side moldings on a few weeks ago and I love how it breaks up the sides. I am not sure if they will protect the car or not though.
(pun intended)
[NV-07] Voice Activated DVD Navigation System JBL Synthesis AM/FM 6-Disc In-Dash Changer w/12 Speakers (360 Watts), Power Moonroof with Sliding Sunshade, Heated Outside Mirrors with Drivers-Side Auto-Dimming Feature and Auto-Dimming Rearview Mirror with Compass and Homelink Universal Transceiver
They sure threw in the goodies on this code. Heated mirrors are new, driver's auto dimming is new for the Touring.
It doesn't look like much else changes besides the tire pressure monitor we've heard about. Sorry but it looks like that 6 speed stays with the Camry for now.
I live in Northern Canada, and I have found a device that lets you install any remote start system you want in a car with Smart Key (or chip on key) to a large range of Toyota Lexus cars... Best part it doesn't require a key/transponder left in the car. Here's the link: http://bypasskits.fortinautoradio.com/products/bypass_kits/key-override-sl/
The local shop I use had it installed in 45 minutes with Compustar 2 way for remote start. I put it in my IS350, but it claims to work with Avvy.
Hope its helpful,
Netwon
Bob
i'm curious - why do you consider these people winers when they complain of a system which they paid very good money for, are probably still making payments on, but don't derive satisfaction using? they are most always diehard toyota fans, having history owning one or more toyota models in previous years.
certainly they have expectations from this manufacturer on quality.
as surely as you are very happy with your drive, if by chance you weren't because of some problem and you had sought assistance numerous times but were basically told "everything is fine", would you still be so happy with your purchase?
First of all, I should clarify that I just made a purchase decision between the two--bought the Avalon to replace our 2000 XLS which performed flawlessly for almost 7 years.
I too, spoke to others about their experiences, and found literally everyone I spoke with quite pleased, with no concerns about any 'trans. hesitation'(or any other concerns) being reported anywhere.
I have come to the same conclusion as you, basically that just a few with concerns are by far the dominant posters in these forums, and their negatives being expressed aren't anywhere near representative of the majority of owner's experiences. ( To be honest, I found myself wondering if some of these negative posts were for real!)
I also concur with your feelings that very often it's the same people appearing in many of these forums giving vent to their frustrations repeatedly, for whatever reason.
All said, I believe as you do that some will always be prone to look at things in life in a negative context--the 'half empty' approach. I think we see lots of that in these forums, but that's life I guess. Right now, I'm fine with my purchase and don't expect anything to change, although it wouldn't surprise me in the least if posts like ours will bring forth a flurry of rebuttal to the contrary by those who seem to resent any good news.
I firmly believe that if there are genuine car problems (action word is 'genuine'), then there are many constructive ways to get them resolved. Constant bitching in a forum isn't one of them, although information in a forum can point one in the right direction, so forums do have value. When I hear people saying "the dealer says it's 'normal' and refuses to do anything", I find myself wondering if we're hearing only one side. Is there a failure to communicate there? Did the owner have an attitude when talking to the dealer? Is the problem 'real' enough to convince? What about a second opinion from an independent source? Seems to me many of the stories being told didn't go very far before constructive communication fell apart, and positive action was replaced by just plain bitching.
Sorry for the long winded litany, but I honestly believe that if people are having these kinds of problems and can't seem to get them resolved, then we're not hearing the whole story, and they sure aren't doing all things that could (and should) be done to get satisfaction.
Meanwhile, we're off on a cross country hike in the new Avalon. If opportunity presents, we'll post a comment or two on how things are going.
Bob
i understand your point though.
but, it's a stretch to say it is merely a customer education issue. we have people complaining about vehicles going back a few years to the DBW system on Lexus vehicles. It didn't just pop up with the 2005+ Avalon.
we aren't seeing these complaints across a number of models, for a range of years for non-Lexus/Toyota models.
and we have people claiming absolutely flawless operation. so - no, i don't think this is customer education or customer sensitivity.
we have people claiming their safety was or is compromised. i take those reports at face value, not illegit, whining, b_tching, moaning or groaning, non-genuine, just as i take the reports of flawless operation as genuine.
Anyway, things are slow on the farm just now, wheat's off, beans and corn are doing well on their own, so we're going East in the new Avalon. Should be a good test. Cheers.
There is already a Avalon Electronics forum. Wouldn't Navigation fall under that?
Also, oil was brown after 4,000 miles of combination city/highway driving - so that will be our oil change interval from now on (at least). Used Pennzoil 5w-30 from WalMart. Sounds quieter, not as much slight tapping as before. Wonder what the Toyota dealership used in the first oil change, didn't sound as good as this! The engine is a little more broken in now too, though still no full throttle accelerations (yes, we baby it ridiculously).
This is the same brand oil I've been using in my 1993 Toyota pickup from since 101,000 miles (now has 230,000). No synthetic for me, regular oil seems to work fine. The truck still does not burn oil and I'm driving it to Washington, DC on Sunday.
- Paul
Contrasting, the 2000 Mercedes C-Class that the Avalon replaced needed its orginial tires replaced after 25,000 miles :mad: . I think these will go a lot further!
- P.
We'll spend a couple of days here in Halifax and then work our way North up the East coast North to Cape Breton, across the big bridge to PEI, then come back down the West side of NS, around the bottom of the peninsula then back up the East coast to Halifax again. By the time we get back home (three weeks or more depending) we will have logged 10 to 12,000K so it will be a thorough shakedown of this (so far) excellent vehicle.
Will check in again along the route when lodging has internet service available.
So far this car is everything we expected and more.
Please don't condemn those of us that have been plagued with such a problem. Some may have the same experience as I... 35+ years repairing automobiles, and we know the problem does exist.One consolation though, I do know lemon law, I do know SUE and I recognize braggarts.
Once again, congratulations, we're glad you got the one without the worm, maybe next we'll be so lucky.
Cj
The Avalon behavior that you report has been also reported by others, but it is not "normal" and of course could be dangerous. Now, in order for the RPM to rise, you are the one giving it the gas. Many posts have emphasized a need to "go easy" on the gas pedal, for good acceleration. Since you are having this problem, I suggest you try these 3 things:
1. On start-ups after a red light, try to only give MINIMAL gas and hold the pedal pressure steady. Once you find the right pedal pressure, the RPM will rise only moderately and the car will accelerate right away. If you give too much gas, on the other hand, the engine can seem to run away from you and leave the car behind.
2. If you have trouble giving the right amount of gas pedal pressure, try to RE-POSITION your foot more vertical. Have you tried this yet? Move the seat forward, make sure to rest the heel on the floor, and make contact higher up on the gas pedal. This makes it harder to step too much on the gas. But you will still need to find the right LIGHT amount of pedal pressure.
3. Instead of driving in "D", make a habit of shifting to "S" and 5. The car should shift more predictably and will not "hesitate" between gears as much. But you will still need to give it the same LIGHT pedal pressure.
You own a powerful, fast and, admittedly, a bit quirky car, but ultimately it is YOU who is stepping on the gas pedal. See it these tips help with curbing runaway RPM behavior.
If you try these but they don't help at all, then it may be time for lemonade, I'm afraid.
Good luck!
havalongavalon
you write:
You own a powerful, fast and, admittedly, a bit quirky car, but ultimately it is YOU who is stepping on the gas pedal. See it these tips help with curbing runaway RPM behavior.
actually, with DBW, when you step on the gas, there is quite a bit of intermediary technology between the accelerator and the throttle body, right?
there is no "direct" linkage between the accelerator and throttle position sensor and actuator.
so i suspect that others with the same car, without this behavior have the same ECU/TCM (Engine Control Unit, and Transmission Control Module) and firmware (revision of embedded software in the controller's "flash").
again, it's just my opinion, but i really believe 9119911 and some of the other posters have a bad accelerator pedal or throttle position sensor or transmission.
toyota engineers wouldn't have designed an automatic drivetrain you have to manually adjust the gearing in order for it to behave and respond as it should.
this is hardware, not software or driving style related.
I am also surprised at your concerns that I had trouble with severity of some conditions being posted about the hesitation. That's just a general opinion and it certainly wasn't intended as judgement or a personal slight toward anyone.
My intentions in reporting our experiences with the new Avalon weren't about 'bragging' as you put it. On the contrary I felt a sort of 'road test report' might be of some general interest in this forum. Evidently this kind of thing is displeasing to some, and evidently not acceptable by such as yourself. So I won't continue with our experiences in order to avoid further irritation, and I apologize to anyone else who felt as you do.
Best to all.
I assume you are in the US and want a helpful conversion factor when travelling in Canada, so here's a helpful hint.
For what it's worth, when converting Kms to Miles, just multiply Kms by .6. Example: 100Kms = 60 Miles. (It's not exact, but close enough for government work!!)
you write:
"i really believe 9119911 and some of the other posters have a bad accelerator pedal or throttle position sensor or transmission."
"this is hardware, not software or driving style related."
If the pedal or sensor were defective in some cars, then their behavior would be driver-independent. But it seems that some drivers have more difficulty at controlling the engine than others, in the same car. IMO these components are not defective, but they require a certain type of input signal (slow and smooth ramp+hold increases in pedal pressure). Whether they are DBW or direct linkage should not matter. Direct linkage mechanisms can be very complex and quirky, too.
I think the "sometimes indecisive" transmission misbehaviors are a different matter, firmware-dependent and probably correctable with new firmware, but as captain2 and others have commented, if you have yours "corrected" you may be paying a price in either acceleration or fuel economy, or both.
Time will tell if these issues are harware, software or driving style related, but I think driving style does matter.
havalongavalon
yorkdane, "2007 Toyota Camry Woes" #970, 31 Jul 2006 6:26 am
Like pat said, at least some of us appreciate your posts, keep us updated. My only suggestion is that for your next big trip you consider heading West, check out how your Avalon performs when crossing the Rockies. Your fuel economy and brake life will suffer a little with the big climbs, but the views will be exceptional!
best wishes,
havalongavalon
My understanding is that some early 2007 Camrys had indeed defective 6-speed transmissions (made by GM?), which are being fixed or replaced, but this is a completely different transmission from the Avalon's.
Perhaps a reason why the 2007 Avalon is expected to keep its "trusty" 5-speed...
havalongavalon