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  • john1701ajohn1701a Posts: 1,897
    It seems fairly easy to predict the behavior...

    > override the control by tapping the brakes

    That would stop the parking attempt too.

    > sensors is covered with snow or mud

    A quick diagnostic check before beginning would sense that problem and prevent the option from even being used.

    > child running from the side behind the car

    Any movement detected in the danger area would cause an immediate abort, which should result in a virtually instant stop since movement is so slow anyway.

    > Is Toyota responsible or the driver

    The driver... just like with the Navigation system, you'd have to press "yes" to accept the liability before the system is allowed to proceed.

  • john1701ajohn1701a Posts: 1,897
    > You can go to your dealer and "pre-order" a 2004.

    I'd call that a "regular" order, since the package options are completely different now from those that were available before July 21.

    And by the way, when you go to the dealer, ask for the special-effect handout on the Electrochromic mirror. It's one of those plastic-coated sheets that changes images when you move it back & forth. On the back you'll see that it is available for all of Toyota's vehicles in 2004. Having a mirror that dims automatically for you is really handy.

  • jchan2jchan2 Posts: 4,956
    Has anyone ordered a Prius in Super White and does anyone know whether one interior color will be built more than the other? It looks like th Millenium Silver and the Gray interior are going to be the most produced color, closely followed by Desert Mist/Sand.
  • For those who have ordered a 04 Prius, what did the dealer tell you the time of arrival would be for the car? I know that the Pioneer models will be arriving in October.
  • Hybrid Drive Game

    Also, some video:
    Movie Catalog - Advanced Equipment: Smart Entry, EV Mode, Intelligent Parking Assist, Interiors

    (For EV mode "55km/h" displays amidst parenthetical Japanese text...any translators out there to explain the context?)
  • jchan2jchan2 Posts: 4,956
    Pretty Interesting.
  • Wow! That game is fun! I've never driven a hybrid, but I'd really like to drive with the way the different modes (stealth, mix, all gas) work.
  • kernickkernick Posts: 4,072
    Prius Self-park: I think the main point I'm making is that a driver will have the expectation that the system doesn't need any intervention. The driver is not going to pay attention if for the last 100 or 500 times the car has parked itseld w/o any driver intervention. I'm not even sure if you need to be in the car? Maybe an option would be a button on the key-fob.

    Most people if they have this option will be getting their bags together while it parks, and not paying attention. The parking system will not be checked.

    And as far as trusting automation and technology, I work in Mfg. as an engineer, and I would never guarantee you that hardware and software is not foolproof. You can minimize the chances of something happening through such things as Failure Mode Analysis, but that only reduces probabilities of accidents.
  • adp3adp3 Posts: 446
    Does anyone know where I can get a license plate frame that says something like "my other car gets 50 mpg" or "my other car is a hybrid"



    I'd like to get a sticker to put in my rear window, or maybe in the front, that says the same

    might be helpful to keep my new Cadillac SRX from getting tagged by a single-issue environmentalist while it is parked and I am inside running a meeting trying to stop a commercial development from destroying 200 acres of sensitive wildlife habitat (seriously)
  • I haven't ordered one (I personally do not like
    license plate frames), but there are a lot of
    places that show up if you Google for
    "custom license plate frame" ...

    If I were a bumper sticker person, I'd probably
    do a bulk order of "my other car is a Prius" and
    resell them. (Whenever my husband's 2004 Prius
    comes in, it'd be kinda neat to be a 2 Prius
    household with those stickers (probably taped up
    in the rear window)...)
  • Hi all,

    I have been browsing this board for a few days now and would like to get your opinion on this:

    Based on the options that I have picked out for the '04 Prius, If I added a couple of hundreds bucks, I can get a Mini Cooper S.

    So there is my dilema...Cooper S or Prius? I love both cars...the Prius may be more practical but the Cooper S is such a fun car...

    Any thoughts or input will be appreciated.

  • jchan2jchan2 Posts: 4,956
    How about on your SRX: My other car's fuel economy is compensating for the waste that my 300 HP SRX is making. (Unless you have the V6, of course)
  • yerth10yerth10 Posts: 428
    Tony :

    At times, people land in this type of dilemma.

    The similar features of the 2 vehicles are
    * hatchback
    * unique design
    * ample luggage capacity when 2nd row seat folded
    * fun vehicle than can be a head turner

    Prius-2004 outperforms MINI
    * in mileage
    * luggage capacity
    * passenger comfort
    * tech gimmicks
    * 5 passenger capacity to Mini's 4

    while Mini outpeforms Prius-2004
    * in acceleration
    * even more easier to park
    * stick shift option is provided.

    Overall, I will vote for Prius-2004 as it provides comfort for 5
    while Mini is only for 2 comfortably and 4 uncomfortably.

    After all comfort 1st.
  • adp3adp3 Posts: 446
    jchan2: That's why I want the bumpersticker - acknowledging that my SRX is wasteful, but hoping to persuade the guy who is about to torch it that I really DO care about the planet.

    I am planning on the 6 cylinder, but it is still more wasteful than I like, especially since I want AWD.
  • adp3adp3 Posts: 446
    and I wouldn't use the license plate frame unless I actually owned a Prius, which I don't (yet)
  • dainadaina Posts: 11
    I'm canadian and on the market for a new prius..... i've visited and called several dealers, and the salesmen are so ignorant. one didn't even know what a prius was. anyways, does anybody know where i can get to test drive a 2004 prius before i drive one, 'cause i don't think i'm gonna be able to do that at a dealer
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,726
    mini has the best handling of any car I have ever driven...if that's important to you.

    2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)

  • Thank you Yearth10 and Nippononly for your input. Most of my friends say wife say Prius. I am in a dilema...Arghhh! The Prius has the practical economical commute factor, while the Mini has alot of fun to drive and handling factors. I do have a second car as a daily driver so If I get the Mini, it will be garage and will put on very little milage. If I get the Prius, It will become my daily driver.
  • Last I've heard Toyota Canada (different entity
    than the Toyota for the mainland USA) doesn't
    really know much on the 2004 Prius, beyond what's
    on the website. (You may have to dig
    through the press releases there to find info...)

    Some dealers seem to have a clue, though, but
    they're hard to find. Where in Canada are you

    Last I've heard the dealers will only get much of
    their 2004 Prius information about 2 weeks before
    the car arrives in Canada (which looks to be demos
    in the mid-October timeframe). Although some
    dealers do have pricing and option (only 1 Prius
    in Canada, no options, doesn't come with navigation)
    information, and that has been posted on some
    internet sites. (Some people are thinking of importing a US 2004...)

    From what I've heard, sales of the current 2001-2003
    Prius in Canada has been about 1/10 of the sales
    in the US.
  • either way, you're still getting a low volume car.
    (a little over 20,000 Prius were sold in the US in calendar
    year 2002, while news reports put the Mini at around

    The Prius would have far better MPG and lower
    smog-forming emissions than the Mini during your

    Not having driven a Mini or a 2004 Prius (the 2004
    isn't out in the US yet), I can't say what would
    be better for you, or what the handling is like.
    If you can wait until Oct./Nov. when dealers start
    getting 2004 Prius for demo vehicles, I'd suggest
    that you do a test-drive of the 2004 and also a
    test drive of a Mini somewhere, and see how each
    feels to you. How do you fit, how's your sight
    lines, is it easy to handle for you, etc.

    I do know that when I took a test drive of a 2001
    Prius way back when (Sept. 2000, IIRC), it was a
    surprisingly fun car to drive. Since I've had my
    2001 Prius, the fun hasn't worn off. I'd suspect
    that the improved 2004 Prius would still have the
    neat fun factor.

    Don't forget, the Prius does have the fun "stealth"
    (engine shuts off, quiet, no vibration, driving on
    electric) driving aspects. takes a bit of stress
    out of a backed-up stop'n'go traffic situation.
    some owners call it "Zen mode" driving.
  • The Mini is really fun to drive. What turned me off to it was reading about the maintenance problems the current model is having. Look at what Edmunds shows should be expected maintenance costs as part of your research. I bought the Turbo Beetle when it first came out and its was a "hot" car. I cannot give it away today.
  • Thank you all for the input...I did a test drive of a Cooper S a few days ago. It was a heck of alot of fun to drive, especially with the supercharged engine. I guess I will have to wait until the local Toyota dealer start stocking the '04 Prius so I can do a test drive. Making the decision for either car is still pretty hard. The Prius is a more responsible choice but the Cooper S is not a gas guzzling SUV I will have an epiphany soon...
  • I see from the Toyota website on the '04 Prius which has 16.1 cu.ft. of cargo volume. The Mini on the other hand has 23.7 cu.ft. per the Mini brochure. I was surprised. I thought that the Prius would have a larger cargo volume. Am I right on this?
  • yerth10yerth10 Posts: 428
    Mini has only 5.3 cu ft of luggage capacity, only if you fold the rear seat you get that 23.7 cu ft. tid=edmunds.n.prices.leftsidenav..8.MINI*

    In Prius-2004, it is 16.1 cu ft, but if you fold the rear seat, it should more than double.

    Vehicles like Mini, Beetle, Golf are lovable, but they dont match Prius-2004 in comfort, utility, mileage, technology, etc.
  • I currently own a Subaru Outback that's getting a bit on in miles, and am considering a new car soon - possibly a Prius, but love that MINI parking ability in Manhattan! The RAV4 is another consideration thanks to all that I've read on these boards...

    But what about the Prius, or the MINI, in the snow? How do they go when it really starts to come down and stick?

  • bhill2bhill2 Posts: 1,783
    You said something a few posts back that made me curious, and may even help you decide which car to buy. You said that the Prius (if you bought it) would by your daily driver, but the Mini wouldn't. Why?

    2009 BMW 335i, 2003 Corvette cnv, 2001 Jaguar XK cnv, 1985 MB 380SE (the best of the lot)

  • bhill2...yes, I did mentioned that. My current daily driver is a '92 Grand Voyager. Not very dependable. I keep feeding it cash to keep it going. It's nice and roomy when it runs. I will be happy to get rid of it when I get the Prius or Mini. I do have a second car that is currently garaged most of the time. It is a '94 MR2 with 54k miles on it...web site... It is a very dependable car and I love it. If I get the Mini, it will become the garage car and the MR2 will become the daily driver. My point is to have a second car that is in top condition for a backup vehicle. Sorry for the long explanation...heck...since I've been on this board, I am beginning to lean toward the Prius because I currently own a Toyota.
  • "[a sign that says 'my other car is a hybrid'] might be helpful to keep my new Cadillac SRX from getting tagged by a single-issue environmentalist while it is parked and I am inside running a meeting trying to stop a commercial development from destroying 200 acres of sensitive wildlife habitat (seriously)"

    That sign won't "deceive, inveigle, obfuscate" your writing off the prius as a business expense, garaging it, and conducting business in your 18-mpg vehicle.

    Granted it's not as bad as an Excursion or Suburban at approx. 13 mpg.
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