Toyota TACOMA vs Ford RANGER - III

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  • mmcbride1mmcbride1 Member Posts: 861
    Is useless. Tell me one situation where it is actually more useful than no ABS.
  • mmcbride1mmcbride1 Member Posts: 861
    you can't steer. Period (no different than no ABS).
  • spoogspoog Member Posts: 1,224
    Cspounser writes :



    "Hey finally figured out a way to post since
    Edmunds system is so un-user friendly with Win 3.11systems. . ."



    Well isnt this a surprise. Cspounser is still using Windows 3.11.

    Are all your purchase decisions second class?

    You have a second rate Ranger with a lowly 1000 pound payload, and no real gearing.


    Let me guess....you bash windows 98 and 2000 for being "too pricey" ? lol.



    I think that says it all Cspounser.


    Do yourself a favor and update to windows 2k, and trade in your Ranger on a Tacoma. You know you want to. Wha with all the visits to the Tacoma dealer measuring the clearance. I know you liked what you saw....how the Tacoma is all tidied up and put away underneath for the trails..........
  • spoogspoog Member Posts: 1,224
    You refer to the Ranger not being "offroad equipped" in the 4wheeelr test. Well, the Ranger doesnt come "offroad equipped". There is no highyltuned offroad supsension, clutch start cancel switch, high quality offroad shocks, responsive steering, locking differential options available from the dealer for the Ranger.

    Were you expecting them to pull something out of midair? Im sorry, but the Tacoma offers those things dealer stock, the Ranger doesn't. and until Ford gets off their duffs and builds a offroad competent vehicle with PROPER offroad features(ala Toyota) it will always be this way.

    Even your beloved Carpoint review claims the tacoma is " a cut above the rest offroad". Something you have been denying all along. Heres another quote:


    4wheeelr:

    " The Rangers uses the same suspension as the f150, and while it offers a good highway ride, the trail quality is sacrificed".



    See you in the hills? Not where I go...........
  • barlitzbarlitz Member Posts: 752
    Spoog you're an idiot, why don't you take your aluminum foil truck and enter in the next pine car race at your next cub scout meeting.
  • scape2scape2 Member Posts: 4,123
    Cruiser's truck is not even a TRD and it still costs almost 20K!@. Not as loaded as my 98 Ranger XLT for 19.6K, and with a limited slip rear axle, tow pkg, remote entry, CD, alarm, leather wrapped steering wheel, 4whl ABS, Pwr, AM/FM CD stereo, air, wheels, and more!
    And, Toyota's are going up again! almost 1%!!. I think Toyota is going to shoot themselves in the foot.
    Gee, I remember a time when "Domestics" were spendy and not a very good value. This is when the Japanese took advantage and once made cars/trucks that were less expensive yet a very good value. Toyota and value just don't go hand in hand any longer.
  • anonymousanonymous Member Posts: 314
    FOR HINDSITE HINDSITE
    This is cpousnr.

    Was it not you that asked if anyone used GPS for 4 wheeling? Well, guess what the wife got me for xmas. Just a Magellen 315 but it will work fine. Alread used it around the neighborhood to get use to it.
    Going to So. Colo to try it out tomorrow. I programed in the rough lat long of the property and found it is 106 miles on a bearing of 183 deg from the house.
    Should be an asset to the Ranger and a good tool for hunt... I mean nature watching.
  • anonymousanonymous Member Posts: 314
    Spoog:
    No just thrifty on even my computer choice but it is around 5 years old but does not do too bad for a 75 Mhz pentium. It gets me here does it not? Seems the motherboard will not take a BIOS upgrade, hence cannot install Win 98. I think I got my, at the time, $1300 worth.
    However, with the money I saved on my Ranger, which by the way will go where your truck goes, and more, I am ordering a 450 or 500 Mhz Pentium III with maybe a 10 or so Gig drive that can pretty much handle anything I want. Gateway or Dell ok by you? Consumer Reports rates both real well. . .
  • cthompson21cthompson21 Member Posts: 1,102
    Now you're bagging on someone's OS? You really are quite pathetic.
  • cthompson21cthompson21 Member Posts: 1,102
    I actually agree with the majority of the cons. See post #621 for the ranger list of cons.

    (1) Yes. The 2.5 is pathetic. The 3.0 is only good when mated with the manual. The 4.0 is reliable and has ample power despite being "low-tech." This is why I got the 4.0, but I would also have been happy with a 3.0/manual.

    (2) Yes. It's a pickup. I expect a "truck-like" ride. If I wanted a cushy ride, I would have gotten a luxury auto.

    (3) Yes. But, anyone that doesn't automatically check the 4wheel ABS is an idiot. Safety should always come first.

    (4) Yes. It's a pickup. I don't expect it to handle like a Ferarri. If I wanted the creme de la creme of handling, I would have bought an M3. the Ranger handles 'bout like every other compact truck I've driven.

    (5) No. The only vehicles I've ever had any problem with turning radius were LB full-sized pickups or monsterous SUVs. It is actually easy to parallel park and maneuver in city driving.

    (6) No. It's 4wd, not AWD. I think Hearaud's got the two a little mixed up here.

    (7) Yes. If I wanted mpg, I would have bought a TDI VW. But, there goes any towing/hauling/off-roading ability. There's always some trade-offs here. I'm not unhappy with the 15/20 that my 4.0L Ranger gets either.

    (8) No. I would much rather have the SOHC 4.0L V6 available than the 4.9L V8. If I wanted a V8 truck, I'd get a full-size.

    (9) Yes, definately. What do you expect for an $8,000 truck? Spend the extra $1,500 or so for the XLT to get A/C, carpeting, sport-cloth seats, etc... Those XL's really seem to be more for fleet sales.



    What do you toyota guys think of the list of cons for the toyota? And can you answer truthfully (not blindly like spoog would)?



    Here are the cons for the tacoma:

    1. SAFETY Tacomas received low marks from NHTSA in collision tests.

    2. PRICE Tacomas are often more expensive than equivalent competitors.

    3. TORQUE The DOHC V6 is a bit lacking here.

    4. BRAKES Emergency stopping distances are long and the Tacoma's path can be erratic without ABS.

    5. CHOICES More limited than is the case with Ford and Chevrolet. Where are the extra doors?

    6. REAR SEATS Being an acrobat or a contortionist is very helpful in getting to the Xtracab's rear seats; there's not a lot of room once you get there.

    7. ROADHOLDING The high center of gravity of 4x4s make curves dicey; the Xtracab's length and wide turning radius make tight maneuvers nearly impossible.
  • scape2scape2 Member Posts: 4,123
    We have 3 Gatways at work and I HATE THEM! They are constantly locking up, constantly having problems of one sort or another. The Compaq, Microns and IBM's run great never lock up. I would go with Dell CP, don't get a Gateway.
    Toyota is raising prices by almost 1%! across the board. Only time will tell if this will hurt them or help them. Ford Rangers are less expensive across the board option for option.
    See you in the hills.
  • hindsitehindsite Member Posts: 590
    Congrats on your new GPS unit. There are two sites that I know of that provide latitude/longitude waypoints and may drop you a line in the e-mail about them. Seems like that you have the knack for that new fangle toy:)
  • hindsitehindsite Member Posts: 590
    Have you driven a 4x4 Tacoma for roadhoading ability? I personally don't find the it to be a problem, but then again it is subjective.

    BTW sorry about the incident with your Ranger.
  • cruiser06cruiser06 Member Posts: 10
    Your right. My Toy is not as loaded as your Ranger. But, as I stated in my post I have owned the Ford, just sold the Chevy (which I liked better than the Ford), and a Toyota. So I think my recent purchase is based on experience. And the thing is I never had a major problem with any. I like the Toyota better. My opinion, it's a better quality truck. All of them have their various pros and cons.

    Ford people like the Ranger. Chevy people like the S10, and Toyota people like the Tacoma.

    I am none of the above. I buy what I think is the best quality truck. And I knew I would pay a little more for a Toyota. So that's not a problem. IF cheap is what you want, buy a YUGO.
  • mviglianco1mviglianco1 Member Posts: 283
    Very well stated. The price difference certainly is a legitimate point but vince has absolutely beaten it to death in here. It would be interesteing to see how many times he has said the exactly the same thing. No offense vince but you and others (spoog) do get a a little (if not alot) repetitive.
  • mviglianco1mviglianco1 Member Posts: 283
    Very well stated. The price difference certainly is a legitimate point but vince has absolutely beaten it to death in here. It would be interesteing to see how many times he has said the exactly the same thing. No offense vince but you and others (spoog) do get a a little (if not alot) repetitive.
  • cthompson21cthompson21 Member Posts: 1,102
    When I test drove the taco, I had no intention of pushing the limits of adhesion (or with the ranger or the other trucks I test drove). Heraud seems to knock on the handling of all trucks because he compares them with cars, not similar trucks.

    On the other hand, I did put the SVT Contour through the paces a little bit during the test drive. Its handling was a big factor in my purch decision. Price was too. I could have 2 SVT Contours and money left to burn on mods or 1 M3 (try convincing my wife that I need a $45K anything).

    As for the ranger, it goes in Jan 10 to have my wife's amateur body work repaired. I just hate it when that happens...
  • barlitzbarlitz Member Posts: 752
    Sorry I did not mean to insult you but sometimes the ranting and raving about trucks gets a little stupid......Has anyone thought about the computers in out trucks being Y2K compliant, it would stink to be driving at midnite and your truck shuts down.
  • gonzo7gonzo7 Member Posts: 259
    If you have a Ranger you probably need to frequently jump start it.
    Each time you replace the battery do you need to reprogram the year?
    Of course not. Thus, no date related componants.
  • anonymousanonymous Member Posts: 314
    Only thing I have jumpstarted with my Ranger was my sons 87 Celica and my 82 VW Rabbit.
    BTW, just spent in excess of $1500 for needed work on one of the 87 Celicas. Inner tie rods(frozen, toe was 3degrees out, thats a lot), drive belt(broken), Throttle positioner(could not adjust timing), radiator hoses and flush(just overdue) and it still needs valve cover and oilpan gaskets and, where have I heard this before, a HEAD GASKET($700 to replace, it is leaking radiator fluid). My ONLY point is even a HIGHLY reliable vehicle, such as the Toyota will sometimes need repair. Things break but in my opinion, Toyotas are expensive to fix when they do break.
    hindite:
    The GPS was very accurate. Found the property is at 8535ft and was .7 miles off the map estimated lat. long I entered from here. Have to admit it beats compass and topo map. But a compass is on most of the screens. If you use one, remember the extra batteries. I had it on for half the trip and used about half the battery power. I think anyone that GOES OFF-ROAD (you DO do that between racing at lights do you not spoog?) in a wilderness area could use one of them. Take a mark where the truck is and just go exploring. How long until they will be an option on SUV's where you can remove it from the dash? Hmmm, I will invent one and make my million. . .
    Yes hindsite send me some info on data if you would. Which GPS are you using?

    As I have said before, both trucks are very nice. As to the ride, mine could use better shocks, they will come soon. I would expect that the TRD with its off-road suspension and shocks would be a bit stiffer. But ride is subjective to a degree. For MGP, I am getting around 17-18 in town and 20 or so on a trip. But remember I have the 31 inch tires aired down to 27-30 lb which is not good for rolling resistance. I prefer it that way to preserve the tread on some rather expensive tires. I got 22-23hwy and 19-20 town with the 235's and I consider that mpg GREAT for a truck.
  • mmcbride1mmcbride1 Member Posts: 861
    His truck cost him $40k, not $20k. See SUV topic #222 for further explanation.
  • hindsitehindsite Member Posts: 590
    There is no perfect or flawless car when it comes to age. Your Celica is a prime example. I would expect that some day my Tacoma to have a problem, but hopefully when I don't expect it.

    I have the Garmin 12 and I get about 10 hours on four akaline AA batteries. The good thing about it as you have said you can mark a point and explore or just mark a point that has potential.
    GPS Web Site for those interested.
    1. Here is a site that can give you latidude/longitude & map from an address.

    http://www.geocode.com/scripts/eagle/eagle.pl?cmd=td_i

    2. Here is a site with searchable waypoint data base.

    http://www.waypoint.org

    3. This site is a map & satellite image tool. From this site you can indirectly attain a waypoints from a map or simply input the latidude/longitude coordinates of a waypoint to get a map of that position. Don't click this site if you have anything under 300 mhz processor & less than 64 Ram.

    http://mapserver.esri.com/si/html/main.htm
  • cthompson21cthompson21 Member Posts: 1,102
    Uh, no. Your concept of "cost" is incorrect. If you'd like me to explain the principles of economics and opportunity cost to you, feel free to drop me an e-mail.

    By the way, my '98 ranger came loaded to the gills. The only option boxes not checked were extended cab, 4.10 limited slip differential, and trailer hitch (purchased aftermarket for half the price later). It cost 18.5K and came with 4.0L, 5-speed automatic, 4x4, power everything, dual-media, off-road pkg, etc... Now, the avg of its retail/trade-in values is about 17K. Not too bad after almost 2yrs and 16K miles.
  • mmcbride1mmcbride1 Member Posts: 861
    I'm well aware of what opportunity cost is. The fact is, that had Vinny financed his truck instead of paying cash, he would be $40k richer today(the dividends alone probably would have covered his payments). The $40k he missed out on is his lost opportunity cost.
  • anonymousanonymous Member Posts: 314
    hindsite:
    Thanks for the info.

    BTW the Celica has 170K on it so it is time something was in need of replacement. Just a bit expensive when it all goes at once.
  • anonymousanonymous Member Posts: 314
    cpousnr is the first post in 2000?
  • anonymousanonymous Member Posts: 314
    dang it, forgot Edmunds is on California time
  • anonymousanonymous Member Posts: 314
    OK, still first to post.

    Have a happy New Year and what about that Ford that is going to be announced this month that will get, I think, 70mpg?
  • scape2scape2 Member Posts: 4,123
    MMC, it proves you don't listen. I sold 40K in stock options I already OWNED. I have been investing since I was about 19. In 1984 I discoverd Microsoft, Intel. Along the way I have bought into McDonalds, Merk, Phillip Morris, Johnson/Johnson, Coke, Pepsi, Costo, Kimberly Clark, Cisco to name the stocks I own that most folks would have heard of.
    I paid CASH for my Truck, CASH no financing lease boy.
    Saw my first Toyota Prerunner today. As you know I have already compared ground clearances with my friends Tacoma TRD (The one that blew the headgasket and he didn't want me to know). I have to admit it did make me stop and look. It sits higher than a stock Tacoma. The body sits higher, not the axles/suspension, why? Are these not available in a V6? 5spd?
    Its funny how Tacoma owners continue to try to justify their extra 2-3K they spend on the most expensive, worst crash test rating compact truck on the market today. No way are you going to convince an educated buyer a Tacoma is less or just as much as a Ranger option for option.
    The Ranger is still in the top 10 cars/trucks sold in the U.S. The Tacoma doesn't even make the top 20! And the excuses of financing and fleet sales is old and doesn't fly. Fact is Ford has beaten Toyota in mass production. Its able to build more trucks, thus causing prices to stay low and give TRUE VALUE to the Ranger.
    See you in the hills!
  • hindsitehindsite Member Posts: 590
    Vince,
    I have seen your post about your FRIEND with the TRD Tacoma and would you kindly ask him to post on Edmunds. If he doesn't have access to a computer I am sure you can let him use yours since you are friends.

    BTW Can you skip that name calling for the new year.
  • modvptnlmodvptnl Member Posts: 1,352
    Vince, I know MMC needs no help but you're sort of embarrassing yourself much like spoog does with both your rantings. If you had financed your tuck at 3.9 or 5.9 or 7.9% or even leased it at a total cost of aprox. $10,000 over 2-3 years your $20,000 used to buy your ranger cash would have doubled(or more)using all the great picks you made in the stock market. I know this adds nothing to the Ranger vs. Toy. topic but it defends why some people choose to lease and cash is sometimes not the best method of purchase when it's earning high interest somewhere else.
  • mmcbride1mmcbride1 Member Posts: 861
    The point is: Who cares whether you lease or buy. You paid cash (and missed out on doubling that $ if you had not exercised the options). Bravo for you. I chose to lease and keep my principal invested, and pay interest on the lease. It's not that either is better than the other. It's a matter of personal choice.

    As we all know, buying a car in the first place is a BAD INVESTMENT.

    Why you continue to be on your soap box about purchasing (esp. paying cash) I will never understand (seeing how your choice turned out financially for you).

    BTW, don't feel bad about your $40k Ranger. My sister's father-in-law exercised a bunch of options several years ago to buy a new Jaguar. By his own calculations, if he had left that $ invested, it would be worth about $800k now. So he has an $800k Jag.
  • mmcbride1mmcbride1 Member Posts: 861
    So do you still work at Microsoft, Vinny? What's gonna happen with the anti-trust suit?
  • hindsitehindsite Member Posts: 590
    Cpousnr,

    I finally got the web site up and running. There are two photos of my Taco near the bottom of the page with the Ford, Buick, and Pontiac.

    http://hometown.aol.com/hindsite/HindSite.html
  • cruiser06cruiser06 Member Posts: 10
    Should jhave read. "lot less of resale value LOST"
  • aka2aka2 Member Posts: 2
    I have read your uneducated one sided comments to many times and I am tired of reading them. I suggest you go down to you local Toyota dealer and buy yourself the Toyota 4x4 that you really wanted in the first place. It is obvious that you have Toyota envy. I also can't understand what the big deal over the $3,000 is for the better Toyota product. Get a job ,spend less time bashing and maybe you could afford a Toyota. I am just kidding about that last part but you know we are sick of your OPINIONS. You truly sound like a man trying to justify your decision to buy the Ford.
    P.S. I don't want to see you in the hills because i'll probably have to bail you out of a hole with my Toyota. Vince8, if all of us wrote responses like the one I just wrote this site would be no FUN!!!
  • cthompson21cthompson21 Member Posts: 1,102
    If you're tired of reading Vince's opinions, then don't read them. Just do like I do when spoog posts something, skip over it.

    Another thing, which truck is "better" (and about 90% of the subject matter discussed on this board) is a matter of opinion. And, if you think that $3,000 is no big deal, why don't you mail everyone here a check for 3 grand?
  • wsnoblewsnoble Member Posts: 241
    "And the excuses of financing and fleet sales
    is old and doesn't fly"

    Just because you don't belive something doesn't make it not true. The only person it doesn't "Fly" with, is you!

    -wsn
  • scape2scape2 Member Posts: 4,123
    Even if I gave you 100K Rangers for your so called Fleet sales, it would still outsell Tacoma almost 3 to 1!! LOL.
    aka, your a joke. Toyota envy? How about pity. Pity for those like yourself that paid too much for a perceived quality/reliability image/advantage.
    And I hope I do see you in the hills. I just hope you don't run into any trees or rocks with your Tacoma, after all it does have the WORST crash rating of all compact trucks. Hey, Tacoma tough! LOL.
  • ponmponm Member Posts: 139
    Last friday, I hopped into my car and drove to my local ford, nissan, and toyota dealers. Before arriving to the individual dealers, I was unbias toward either of the trucks, so my future comments about these trucks come purely from experience. Before I start, i am a 22 year old who needs a truck for hauling my paintings and sculptures and light 4x4.
    First off: Toyota
    I wanted to test drive the 4x4 v-6 extended cab tacoma, but they only had the reg cab 4X4. Needless to say, I was very disappointed by the way I was handled on the salesfloor. I was given the treatment as if i was a 16 year old. They repeated to me that I could not get a tacoma v-6 4x4 for under 25, implying i could not afford one. I was quickly unimpressed with my salesperson. To continue, We took out the reg cab for a test drive. I immediatley took notice of the high elevation of the truck. Hey, great ground clearance, but lets wait to see how this does on the highway. The dashboard was arranged nicely and easy to read. Nothing was in the way of each other, but the cabin felt rather cramped when it came to the width of the cabin. The seats were rather thin and low to the floor, but felt suitable for support. The ride was high and often a little, um, well, scary, it felt unstable going onto exit ramps on the highway. Of course, i am now use to driving a 99 honda civic si, and those are rather low to the ground, so maybe that had something to do with it. The engine was great under 40mph, but lacked at highway speeds, it seemed i had to constantly keep on the gas to keep 60mph. But on a lighter note, what a great manual transmission. I don't know who designed the transmission on the tacoma, but he/she should get salary increase. The tacomas 5speed felt as good as my si's five speed in terms of shift action and refinement. Overall, the tacoma felt like a truck and it pretended to be nothing else. Thats what i liked about it. I know if i purchased this truck, i could take it off road, treat it like hell and still get 200,000 miles out of it. They just need to bump up the torque on the 2.7, increase the width and i would have enjoyed it more. Oh yeah, and get rid of the salesperson, he has no idea how much i make in a year, a great deal more then him.
    Second: Ford
    First off, I was greeted with a friendly smile, and they WANTED me to take the ranger for a spin around the block. So, i choose the highest end model they had on the lot. 4.0L 4x4 manual extended cab. The ranger's cabin was larger in the inside and the seats gave more support then the toyotas did, but what a crumy layout. The stick blocked the temperature gauges, and the almost the stereo. But, the dashboard seemed to resemble a cars interior in terms of quality and looks, not bad ford, not bad at all. But unforantley, where the toyota shined(for me anyway), the ford lacked. That happened to be the worst transmission i believe i have ever driven in my life, it belonged in a u-haul truck. The thing did more clunking then a yugo going 70mph. Very dissappointing considering the possiblites of the engine. The engine had great torque at low rpms but that to would clunk when i was travelling down the highway at 60mph and then would let off the gas. Not very promising for future reliabilty. ON the bright side, i felt more in control and planted to the ground in the ranger then i did in the toyota. It could be because the toyota was a reg cab and the ranger was extended. Suprisingly, both the tacoma and the ranger were easy to manevuer through traffic and parking lots. The salespeople at ford were friendly and willing to do anything to get my business, and truthfully, thats how it should be. Toyota on the otherhand, not so sure, but that could change from dealer to dealer.
    finally, if i had to choose a truck, i believe i would probably get the tacoma. It felt more refined while still only being a truck. Don't get me wrong, the ford had great handling a spirited drivetrain, but the clunking scared me away. Possibly a lemon. Throw the toyota transmission in the ranger and then you might really have something.
  • ponmponm Member Posts: 139
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  • mmcbride1mmcbride1 Member Posts: 861
    I guess you'll have to stop with the head gasket crap for Toyotas. Seems there's a guy named cobrar who blew a head gasket in his Ranger! Don't be too harsh on your Ranger, Vinny. It might barf a head gasket!
  • wsnoblewsnoble Member Posts: 241
    So your finally admiting the Ranger benifits from fleet sales?

    So what happened to your just "defending" the Ranger and not "Bashing" the Taco, stance? Post # 670 was pretty rough.

    -wsn
  • mviglianco1mviglianco1 Member Posts: 283
    My friend finally got her Ranger back after her wreck and so naturally I wanted to take a look at the work. Everything looked fine but one thing caught my attention and I was wondering if anyone could comment. I am not sure if this has anything to do with the wreck or repair but when I touched the automatic hubs it was extremely hot, almost to the point of blistering my hand. Does anyone know if this is normal or do you think she has a problem?

    ponm, that is the only way to really compare the two trucks. If you choose to go with the Tacoma dont take that crap form the Toyota dealership. Find another one and tell them about your experience at the dealership you went to. The same thing happened to me. I was told here in Charlotte that if I was looking at a v6 x-cab 4x4 that it would be over 24k and this guy who was younger then me proceded to try and give me a lesson in finance. Well, I never went back and called a dealership in the small town where I went to school. They were perfectly professional and I got the truck described above + TRD for 21.6K.
  • mmcbride1mmcbride1 Member Posts: 861
    I don't think he can differentiate between the two. To him, bashing the Toyota IS defending the Ranger.
  • hindsitehindsite Member Posts: 590
    Vince,
    Have you asked your friend with the Taco to post on Edmunds?
  • spinner0spinner0 Member Posts: 1
    What option do you have in the Tacoma that you got for 21.4K? Thanks. I am looking for to get this truck within two or three weeks. I am also looking for a good dealership in the bay area too, any good advice.
  • cruiser06cruiser06 Member Posts: 10
    I'll repost the deal I just got 2 weeks ago. Again, salesperson great and easiest vehicle I have bought. Took about 15 mins. And if the numbers are right, about $144 over invoice. Get a couple of quotes from dealers over the internet, and take Edmunds and Kelley's pricing with you. FYI, I am in NC.


    Just ordered 2000 Tacoma V6 4x4 xcab. bucket
    seats, 5sp, conv pkg, pwr pkg, sr5 pkg, factory
    alloy wheels (not the Enchei's) w/ p265/75
    michelins, cruise, tilt, am/fm cd, chrome trim for
    wheel wells. No liner. Will have it sprayed.

    Easiest vehicle I ever bought. Took about 15 mins.
    to do the deal. (but I had done my research).
    Price was $19,880. If Edmunds and Kelley's pricing
    is correct that's $144 over cost.

    I am happy with the deal. I have had a Ford and
    just sold a Chevrolet, so I have experience with
    all. Chevrolet was a good truck. I liked better
    than the Ford. From my experience the Ford V^ is
    kinda weak. Although I realize the Chevy had the
    4.3 liter. The Toyota engine seems much stronger
    and smoother.

    I don't think I could have gotten a similarly
    equipped Ranger much cheaper. I drove a new one and just didn't care for it. Plus, from owning a Ford and Chevy previously I know they don't hold their value as well as the Toyota.
  • scape2scape2 Member Posts: 4,123
    Seems like a person can only be bashed over the head so many times before they come out swinging. Hind, Mmc, spoog, aka and other Toyota owners constantly bash the Ranger, why am I singled out when bashing the Tacoma?
    And I have noticed, I'm alone out here, all the Ranger fans are gone. No matter, I'll be here until the end, when ever that is?
    I talked with my friend with the Tacoma and he is willing to give his .2 worth. Probably will come by Thursday night he said. I have to tell you he is level headed and not as gung ho Toyota, anti Ranger as all of you guys are. Even after his headgasket incident he still like Toyota, go figure?
    By the way, I saw an Enterprise rental sticker on a Tacoma? Please explain when someone here said Toyota doesn't rent cars/trucks???
    As far as price comparison, there is no way you are going to convince an educated buyer that a Tacoma is actually less or just as expensive as a comparably equipped RAnger. Its plastered everwhere that the TAcoma is pricey for a compact truck.
    Ponm, I guess it all comes down to taste. I felt the Toyota interior was far cheaper looking/feeling than the Rangers. Seats were thinnner, maybe thats why they are falling apart. Someone has posted this at Edmunds that their Tacoma seats were falling apart. You compared a 5spd to an automatic? May want to compare again 5spd to 5spd, 2.7 to 3.0 this may be more of a comparison. Anyway, good luck on your hunt and with whatever you decide.
  • arco1arco1 Member Posts: 1
    Can you guys check out the reliabiltiy, maintainance cost, styling(very subjective),
    off-road abilities, brand image of the company overall, reputation, resale value, the history of all the Ford trucks and their products before even start judging on which truck is really a better one. It is obvious the Ford is lower cost at new but what about it's cost to keep it running and in the long term, how much it'll be worth. Please pull out a local newspaper and look at the eighties Ranger for yourself. Nobody wants them because they don't know what they are good for..atleast I don't. And then look at a Toyota.
    I think they have earn their reputation as a reliable vehicle overall that's why they have the best resale value overall.

    I don't know what source some of you got it from regarding to crash test and safety. I found out with picture photograph at he "Nation Highway Safety.." website saying it is the most safe compact track out there. The worst are the nissan
    and the dakota or durango.

    I love you all truck fans so no hard feeling for any one.

    Felipe
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