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And in a curious game of follow-the-domestic-leader, Honda has now made a fully painted version of the Element available (similar to the WBH Avalanche option).
Not really. Adding painted bumpers is something Honda has always done with the CR-V for the mid-model refresh. Here in the US, the CR-Vs with this treatment are designated with an SE trim. (Examples) Given how similar the vehicles are, I don't think it's surprising they'd do the same with the Element.
Anyway...
I agree with you on the headlights. While simple squared headlights would have been boring and devoid of character, the angled edge doesn't match anything else in the facade. It looks odd.
Though, if I were a Chevy fan, I dunno that I'd complain too much.
I don't really have a problem with the squared-off wheel openings. I don't think round ones would look any better given that the profile is all straight lines.
The real problem with the profile is the awkward proportions. Which is a problem for any crew cab truck.
The slope of the C pillar isn't the problem, IMO. However, the slope on the top edge of the bed is. I agree that masking it with an SMC sheet which comes over the top edge and creates a level line along the profile would have been a good idea.
Wheels? Well, they look like your basic truck wheels to me.
The Element treatment isn't so much about the black bumpers to painted bumpers (CR-V thing, as well as Chevy Equinox and other lower-end base model thing). I specifically meant for the fenders, etc., where they originally went with the black ABS treatment where even the CR-Vs had painted sheetmetal.
You might be right about the wheel openings and the overall profile. It's a common complaint for GM's GMT800 vehicles too in that the largest size tires that fit without a lift of some sort still look small for the openings. The GMT900 vehicles shown so far have fixed this though. Maybe Honda's next refresh will take care of it for the Ridgeline too?
And those wheels- basic truck wheels maybe. But most other truck brands have some "dress-up" wheels available that are very attractive. The literature I got from Honda on the Ridgeline when I was checking out the white one didn't mention any optional wheels like this, so this is one area they are lacking right now.
wow somebody had way too much time on their hands to dig that one up "urban truck of the year" sounds like a polite way to say nice truck just be gentle on it tho you dont want to break anything
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An award is an award, by the way what vehicle do you drive?
Can your brand prefence or whatever you drive claim at least 6 bragging rights/awards to my eleven sourgraper.To make life easier for you how about making it just 5 to match the eleven I've listed so far.I'll give you 100 years for your truck/brand preference to come up with four/awards on it's first try on the market.Good luck, you 'll have better chances of winning the lotto than matching the Ridgelines accolades.
il save you the bother here are hondas sales so far
Back to Market Report Units Sold in USA, ranked by Feb 2006 Sales Volume
Make Model Feb 2006 Jan 2006 YTD 2006 YTD 2005
Ford F - Series 62,862 59,562 115,633 108,881
Chevrolet Silverado / C/K 46,387 47,028 84,520 87,859
Dodge Ram 29,887 29,202 51,677 53,526
GMC Sierra 14,787 15,498 26,587 28,451
Toyota Tacoma 13,735 10,930 26,145 20,365
Toyota Tundra 10,566 11,063 20,025 19,778
Nissan Titan 7,009 6,894 12,949 13,453
Ford Ranger 6,383 8,214 12,569 15,848
Dodge Dakota 6,260 8,250 10,843 14,339
Nissan Frontier 5,845 6,077 11,391 11,976
Chevrolet Colorado 5,770 8,258 10,845 18,434
Honda Ridgeline 4,485 133 8,299 133
wow they are up to 8000 already almost up there with the lowly colorado
sorry to rain on your sales parade but you asked
e.g.
Look who the country voted into the White House :lemon:
that is true but the point was that i stated earlier that ridgelines sales were falling and instead of people taking their blinders off to have a look around found it much easier to poke fun at the fact that i didnt include any proof so i was merely providing the proof. read it and weep
I'd respond, but this isn't a forum for "Partisan Politics Today". It's a truck forum. At least the people who bought it didn't keep "WAFFLING" over different issues like war...
Truck wars, of course.
What metal did chevy used to manufacture those? Recycled tuna sardines I guess.Check this link. It wasn't even tested for sidecrashtest, maybe it got two stars only.
http://www.crashtest.com/chevy_truck/ie.htm
if it doesn't work go to www.crashtest.com then look for it in chevy trucks.I guess it's you who has to be careful with your made of tuna can Avalanche coz unecessary roughness may cause it to breakdown both in and out.
ASIDE FROM YOUR PIECE OF TINCAN GETTING TRUCK OF THE YEAR, YOU NEED TO SHOW ME 4 MORE AWARDS ON IT'S FIRST FORAY TO THE TRUCK MARKET, YOU HAVE 99 YEARS TO COME UP WITH IT.Good luck. :shades:
But I agree, for the price of the RTS model, it should come with better wheels.
Honda Ridgeline 4,485 133 8,299 133
wow they are up to 8000 already almost up there with the lowly colorado
sorry to rain on your sales parade but you asked
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As a Ridgeline owner, my loyalty with Honda ain't gotten to the point that I would be happy if they make a lot of sales on the Ridgeline. As a matter of fact I'm happy with the paltry sales, and would even be a whole lot happier if the Ridgeline sales bomb bigtime.
Fewer Ridgelines, more exclusivity, everytime I see one, which is not that often I smile and even wave. The Honda Pilot which I drive when I have more than 5 passengers, ain't even a topseller but makes me puke because I see one at every corner. NOW IF I'M DRIVING ANY OF THOSE TOPSELLER TRUCKS I WOULD BE PUKING MY GUTS OUT, COZ I'M GONNA SEE ONE MILE AFTER MILE AFTER MILE.It's like attending a party feeling sharp coz youve dressed really well only to see that every other guy in the party dressed up like you,same suit, same color,same brand.VERY GENERIC.
YOU HAVE ALL MY PERMISSION TO RAIN ON MY SALES OR WHATEVER PARADE,LESS RIDGELINES SOLD, MORE EXCLUSIVITY FOR ME.50,000 units sold/year is botique quantity, anything more than 10,000 units sold /month is Walmart quantity maybe even quality. :shades:
Ridgeline = exclusivity. I love my ride. :shades:
sorry to rain on your sales parade but you asked
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FYI Honda is not selling a lot but makes a profit on every Ridgeline sold.On the other hand MOST topseller trucks are being sold by birdbrain dodos at a lost.
FYI, YOUR BELOVED TOPSELLING FORD AND GM ARE LOOSING BILLIONS BECAUSE OF THEIR FIRESALES, IS IT TRUE THAT THEY SELL SOME TRUCKS AT 50% DISCOUNT.
Bottomline, topselling does not always translate to more profits made.Bottomline is the profit made.WOULD YOU CARE TO GUESS WHICH CAR COMPANY MAKES THE MOST PROFIT IN PROPORTION TO INVESTMENTS MADE.Hint it's not the topsellers.
GO AHEAD, RAIN ON MY SALES PARADE. :P
ummm the point is to sell less trucks every year? ok.
ive got another award for them "fasted truck to go from media darling right into the toilet"
p.s. gm is currently not offering any rebates on the colorado/canyon and they are still beating the ridge
It's quite the oposite: the one money maker they have is truck sales.
Are you guys really trying to yell at each other with all the capitalolizing?
this talks about GM profits, I mean lack thereof.
haha do you realize how dumb that sounds? for someone who places so much importance on the crash test ratings then why on gods green earth would you even consider a veichle with only 4 stars? looks like you better be saying your prayers too. on the other hand myself i dont give them much credence as every accident has different circumstances and one veichle cant possibly be the best in every possible scenario.
A photo would do wonders! Thanks!
obviously people want to choose what configuratiion they dont want to be told this is the way your gonna take it. sure the ridge outsells the av but i would certainly hope that they do the ridge is a brand new model and the av is at the end of its cycle how embarrasing would that be for honda if they couldnt outsell it? and besides why do you guys always try to compare the ridge and av when it benefits the ridge but if the av has the advantage its always "you cant compare them the av isnt in the same segment" if thats the best you can do is that it outsells the av, its gonna be a long year for ridge fans
oh yeah if you want a fairer comparison to the av why dont you look up the 02 sales i have no idea what they actually were but im sure it wont be hard to find and im equally sure that they sold alot more than 50k
my point was/is:
Without truck sales, GM & Ford might be out of business.
My father worked 35 years for GM - so I have some idea of what goes on there.
If anyone else can point me to a photo, let me know!
Basically I'm looking to do the simplest/least expensive install of the hitch/wiring in order to be able to tow my boat. Any recommendations? Would one of those T-connectors that patch into the truck's existing brake lights be easier?
Thanks for any help!
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I agree that a lot of factors could affect the outcome of any accident,and as a healthcare worker in the operating room I had my more than one lifetimes share of assisting in TRAUMA orthopedic surgeries.NO MATTER HOW GOOD YOUR SURGEONS ARE, ONES MANGLED BUT REPAIRED BODY WILL NEVER BE THE SAME.HAVING A FIRSTHAND EXPERIENCE OF SEEING SEVERED TORSO'S AND WATCHING PEOPLE MISSING HALF A SKULL MAKES ME OVERZEALOUS ON CRASHTEST AND ROLLOVER RATINGS.Thats why in my vehicle choice I never go below 4 stars for the following reasons:
1. Peace of mind that my family has a better chances of surviving even a freak accident.I sincerely hope I never get to used Hondas crashworthiness.
2. Freedom from guilt feelings in case someone close to me gets seriously injured due to an accident knowing that I did everything within my financial capacities to put them on a safe vehicle.
I drive my Rx8 toy (got a hefty life and disability insurance if I my 4 star rated toy would fail me )when am alone but when my family is in tow the Ridgeline is the vehicle of choice.
FYI.
In case you forgot your arithmetic 4 is still greater than 3.
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GM North America has registered about $2.5 billion in losses during the last six months.
The above billions in loses maybe the reason why GM is using recycled tuna sardine cans on the Avalanche, GM can't afford a decent piece of metal anymore.I wouldn't drive an Avalanche or put my family in one even if GM gives it for free. Three stars on a truck this size is pathetic and unforgiveable. :sick:
Do you notice that the Avalanche has a very dangerous rollover rating too.FYI, the rollover tencency of a Ridgeline is approaching sedan territory of 14%.The avalanche is 25%.I admire your risktaking capabilities. I'm a big risktaker and an adrenalin junkie who loves my dirt bikes, but chickens out on anything that puts my family on any physical risk.Check this link again:
http://www.crashtest.com/chevy_truck/ie.htm
How on earth some people buy an expensive truck and put their family in one with poor crash and rollover ratings is sickening. :sick:
Draw-Tite makes a hitch and wiring harness (4 wire only) for the RL. At the local Draw-Tite distributor I can pick them up for $190 and $50 respectfully. The distributor will also install both for a total of $100. That would bring my cost to around $350 with a 4 wire connection only. My local Honda dealer has agreed to install the Honda 4/7 wire system and a Honda hitch for $530 total.
The Honda wiring system seems better electrically with separate wiring and protection for all circuits. The Draw-Tite merely taps into the taillight connectors.
I am leaning toward spending the additional money as future trailering needs are unpredictable along with potential resale and reliability concerns.
no they dont they are way behind because the other makers all offer different configurations the fact that honda only has one configuration is nobodys problem but hondas if they want to jump into a gunfight with a knife fine but you cant pick and choose which colorado or taco you want to compare with your in competition with them all and honda is losing.what next you wont want to count any yellow competitor sales cause honda dosent make a yellow one?
The RL outsells or sells as well as any vehicle in this segment: (4x4, 4 door, short bed, midsize)
This is an accurate comparison. it's not my or Honda's problem that it doesn't fit your perception of the RL is a failure.
This is a true statement and you can't get around it.
The RL outsells or sells as well as any vehicle in this segment: (4x4, 4 door, short bed, midsize)
no they dont they are way behind because the other makers all offer different configurations the fact that honda only has one configuration is nobodys problem but hondas if they want to jump into a gunfight with a knife fine but you cant pick and choose which colorado or taco you want to compare with your in competition with them all and honda is losing.what next you wont want to count any yellow competitor sales cause honda dosent make a yellow one?
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This is getting hilarious, you are only asked about the salesfigures (thats not even including sales with real profits made)of 4x4, 4 door and midsize.Your response is plainly avoiding the topic by going to a gibberish rhetoric of gunfights and knives.
Thats one lame tactic and once and for all answer the question how many 4x4 Tacos/Colorados, 4 door and short bed are sold? I need a number. Just a plain number.Ridgelines sales for 4x4, 4 door and shortbed is only around 50,000 units, surely more Tacos and Colorados with the Ridge configuration are sold right? Common I've given a number, no words or lame excuses just give me a number.
give it a rest already
the two of you are beating a dead horse with a stick
Wrong again, maple2.
According to carsdirect, I can get a crew cab Colorado or Canyon for invoice+$200 minus the $1750 customer rebate.
Fairly steady: '08 Charger R/T Daytona; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c, '21 WRX, '20 S90 T6, '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel, '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '08 Maser QP / Rotating stock, but currently: '92 325i, '97 Alto Works, '11 Mini Cooper S
Also I think the safety is actually opposite of tuna can metal. I'm guessing more like sherman tank metal. There is no give to cushion the impact.
Why do I follow this page? The ridgeline interests me. There is a chance it would replace our Tahoe. However we currently take 5 kids to school (3 are ours) in the mornings, so maybe the Pilot is a better choice. But the extra towing capacity would be nice. Since I don't tow a boat the Pilot is only 3500lbs. At some point we won't need the 6+ people capacity. I wish the Pillot was a bit more SUV than van in ability.
Why is GM loosing 2.8 billion? Pension and healthcare contract with the unions.
Can't speak for other parts of the country, but here in Howard County Maryland I usually see at least one Ridgeline a day on the road.
Bob
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Hazcat, I love my Ridgeline, however condition your mind to accept that mileage 15-17 mpg mix driving.
It took me 18,000 miles on an 8 hour roadtrip from Maryland to myrtle beach to appreciate 23 mpg, surprisingly with speeds of up to 75-80 mph. Mix driving again took me back to reality of 15-17 mpg.
After checking out the Ridgeline the other day, I was wondering what the comfort factor is back there? The front seats are nice enough.
Looking to sell a 2002 Outback wagon and get a more family friendly vehicle. I know an Odyssey is the best bet but wondering if anyone has experience with the Ridge as a family hauler.
My two cents, Ridgeline backseats good for max 5 hour trip, above 5 hours, forget it.
FYI: I have leather on my Ridgeline and Pilot, I don't know if thats a factor. :shades:
On the other hand, this reviewer found a few non-family-friendly issues with the Ridgeline. Dunno if they'll be a problem for you.
http://www.motherproof.com/review_detail5.asp?ID=141
Along with general styling the Ridgeline shares the short rear window and inherent lack of rearward visibility with the Avalanche. I'm guessing that the one she reviewed lacked the backup camera, which is one option I'd be sure to get (getting it on my 2007 Av too), just because of the visibility problem.
Latch connectors are overrated in any vehicle, in my experience. I've used them now in 4 door sedans, extended cab trucks, and minivans. Pulling the seats tight with them isn't really any easier than using a shoulder belt / clip through the seat and leaning in the seat while pulling on the belt. And as she points out with the Ridgeline, actually getting the snaps onto the connector bar can be a REAL bear, and just wait until you try to get them back off!
Anyway, despite the fact that I usually don't defend the Ridgeline, I'd say that all the criticism in that article just as easily applies to most vehicles out there right now.
In other words, I don't think she is saying it's not fun compared to other trucks. She's saying it's not fun compared to... say... a Mazda Miata.
I agree that pretty much all of her comments would hold true for any other truck. But I do think her remarks about things like the height of the door handles are good for anyone considering a truck vs a wagon, minivan, or even a small SUV.
I decided to buy an RTS instead of the RTL, which has a standard rearview mirror, but I thought I might find and buy one of those RTL mirrors on the open market and install it myself. Problem is, as I looked around online, the only mirror I seem to be able to find is one that is auto-dimming and has a boring digital LED compass located in the bottom of the black plastic frame. Even the Honda website sells this mirror as its only aftermarket mirror option.
Does anyone know if/where I can find and buy one of the mirrors I described from the RTL? :confuse:
Thanks!
it could of been damaged in a muddy field at a GIRL scout event. :P