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Luxury Performance Sedans



  • Yeah, yeah, I know. (And in my own case, I was schlepping not only the kid but an oxygen tank attached to her that was like lugging around a dead body. And while we had a handicapped pass, the spaces were not the cavernous affairs they are now. It's a good thing I was [and am] a small person able to negotiate very tight spots...) But it takes all the fun out of the thread to get too technical. :P
  • On the other hand it is now easier to drive and park it now that it is less than perfect.

    Exactly. Once you've been initiated, subsequent dings sting less.

    But (and let's not get technical here :blush: ), some areas make a bigger deal out of carpooling than others, and if you live in one of them, those passenger doors will get a workout too.
  • bartalk3bartalk3 Posts: 692
    The real luxury car is a 1995 Dodge Neon with 135,000 miles. How is that a luxury car? Because the owner has the luxury of not caring where he parks or what happens to the car. That's real luxury. That's freedom!

    What's not a luxury car? All the cars on this board, because one is putting $50,000 down on the street every day and worried to death about all the damage that can be done to it. That is no luxury!
  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,301
    Unfortunately, much of this is true. But when I get behind the wheel of my 545i, it seems to almost even out.
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    By the same token, you can live in a house full of fiberboard wal-mart furniture so you dont have to worry about theft, floods, etc. Dings, paint scratches, brake dust, rock chips, etc. are all annoying, and to a certain extent all inevitable if you drive the car long enough. Putting 25K or more a year on a '95 Neon, on the other hand, would be a lot worse.
  • cdnpinheadcdnpinhead Forest Lakes, AZPosts: 4,056
    Well, it's been interesting reading about the "ding" situation.

    I buy my cars & keep them for 4 - 10 years. Dings happen. I drive a lot, too. That's why I enjoy cars that can do it well.

    I'll not say more. I put a whole paragraph in here about getting a life and such, but it's gone now.

    Would you rather look at the car, or drive it? That's the question that I've caused more than a few discussions asking, in several boards. Is it an art object (see, I left out the French equivalent), or a device to help you get somewhere and/or have have a lot of fun doing it?

    Yeah, it ought to look good, but. . . The reality is that if you use a car every day & drive it 15 - 20K per year. . .it'll get dinged. Duh.

    Do you drive it the way it was meant to be used, or do you park it, hoping for an appropriately appreciative response from some third party?

    If I saw an M3 or M5 that was dinged all over, complete with bugs aplenty on the forward surfaces, I'd want to sit with the driver and discuss where they'd been, and how they liked it, and a (possibly) better route the next time. Drivers enjoy comparing notes. The folks who appreciate art probably look at it differently.

    Note that I said if, not when.
  • bartalk3bartalk3 Posts: 692
    The analogy (between a cheap house and a cheap car) doesn't quite work. The logic isn't quite there. For one, a house appreciates, a car depreciates. Also, I don't know anybody with a million-dollar house who sits around worrying about it being damaged (as people here are worried about their cars being dinged).

    At the moment (before I drop $50,000 on one of these cars), I have a '97 Maxima with 91,000 miles, and have the luxury of parking it in the closest space to wherever I'm going, without checking out the cars on either side, doing some demographic analysis on the driver, hypothetizing about whether there's a passenger, checking out the interior of the other cars looking for car seats, taking pictures of the license plates of the adjoining cars, doing DNA screening of the drivers adjacent, etc. Frankly, I don't care who's parking next to me. That's luxury. Of course, when I succumb to the big $50,000 temptation, like the rest of you, I'll be parking a half mile away from my destination, and staying home when it acid rains or hails (God forbid).
  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,301
    I WISH I could only park a half a mile away.
    By the way, how can I do the DNA screening? Walmart has a kit for that?
    Sometimes the photos don't come out because I gotta snap the plate while facing the sun.
  • FWIW

    I think that adding the E only as the AMG would make sense for the 'performance' nature of the forum. The E350 which accounts for 80% of MB's E class sales, is NOT a 'performance' sedan, though it might drive 'nice' by some folk's standards.
  • docnukemdocnukem Posts: 485
    I may be misreading things, but I assumed that all the ding posts (and I know mine were) were all intended as tongue-in-cheek/less-than-completely-serious. While I do try to park where the car will not run a greater than average chance of damage, I am not blind to the fact that it will get dinged. When I drove an Accord with 80000 miles, I did the same thing (although to a slightly lesser degree).

    My wife DOES think I'm nuts, though.
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    "Here's an interesting article:

    I knew Mercedes was having some problems, but not this many."

    Great article - and I just took the S-Class off my list of possible Sedans to buy. :sick:
  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,301
    Well it seems a lot of folks don't seem to mind being struck by that Bangle board as sales of the E60 are up 15.8% since September 2004.
    The car is simply gawjis!
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    "If I saw an M3 or M5 that was dinged all over, complete with bugs aplenty on the forward surfaces, I'd want to sit with the driver and discuss where they'd been, and how they liked it, and a (possibly) better route the next time. Drivers enjoy comparing notes. The folks who appreciate art probably look at it differently."

    You have a great outlook cdn. Cars are made to drive and be driven. It should be about function. However, I must admit - I get my bugs washed off quickly and a lot - and I fix dings. BUT, I do drive the cars, and park anywhere and take my chances. Generally, I do ok.
  • I think this is one of the better assessments of the state of the problems at MB. The new CEO has his work cut out for him.

    U.S. year-to-date sales data indicate that the market here has finally figured out that the MB isn't such a smart buy (or lease) these days. Can you imagine going to a cocktail party in the Hamptons and bragging about your new MB? I can just see the polite smiles and hear the quick "excuse-me's".

    Finally, the caché has crashé.
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    All of my friends who have recent S-Classes, are pretty angry about the problems they are chronically having. Some of them have dumped them for a Lexus.
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    Yeah I'm pretty much the same way. At least with my LS anyway. If I need to park the XK I may look for a "safe" spot, but its not something I'm going to pull my hair out over. "The things you own end up owning you".
  • jjacurajjacura Posts: 808
    I enjoyed ALL the DING posts even the tongue-in-cheek stuff. (and hpowders...Walgreens currently have the DNA kits on sale!) Strangely enough my last car, a 2000 TL went 74,000 miles without a ding. The secret....retirement.:blush: However for 30 years before that I parked in the same lot where we were stacked like sardines and dings and even bumper bruises happened routinely. My company reimbursed me for parking and mileage but not body damage. :sick:
  • bartalk3bartalk3 Posts: 692
    You guys missed the real ding danger: SUPERMARKET CARTS! I parked my car at the downhill end of the parking lot far away from other cars one windy day at the supermarket, and I was hit by a runaway cart which caught the wind and went wild. My car looked like it had been hit by another car.

    Bill from my body shop: $1,100.

    I told my insurance agent that this must be the first with something like this, and he said, "Are you kidding? This happens every day."

    My advice: never park downhill in a supermarket parking lot.
  • jeff721jeff721 Posts: 80
    What is an LPS?
  • jjacurajjacura Posts: 808
    Good reminder about the carts bartalk3...happened to my wifes Accord...she parked next to a cart CORRAL on a windy day and one got loose and nailed her door...we discovered the damage at home and it took a while to figure out what hit her.
  • jjacurajjacura Posts: 808
    You are in the LPS forum Jeff
  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,301
    I'll be at Walgreens tomorrow at 8AM for the DNA kit. I won't even need to read the instructions. I watch CSI every week.
  • jjacurajjacura Posts: 808
    good one but now can you advise how to intercept an unattended 6 MPH Shopping Cart? :shades:
  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,301
    You can't. Best thing is to park as far away as you can from the supermarket itself. People do not like long walks. So the further away you are from the store, the fewer shopping carts there are to deal with.
    I also shop when most folks aren't there-very early in the morning.
  • can you advise how to intercept an unattended 6 MPH Shopping Cart?

    That's what the force field is for. (May the Force be with you??? :P )
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    I knew Mercedes was having some problems, but not this many.

    Well I've read all that before, its pretty much more of the same. I think the union will survive and prosper after 2005, just my opinion. Provided they get the right folks in place to run things. Mercedes for one has already stopped the quarterly losses by posting the thinnest of profits last quarter. The real problem on the Benz side of the house is Smart, which should be dumped or partnered up with someone. I don't think the latter will happen and former should, but won't either.

    Where I don't agree with the article is where they're saying there is no synergy between the two companies. Chrylser has the hottest cars they've had in the last 20+ years because of Mercedes. That simply can't be overlooked imo.

  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    U.S. year-to-date sales data indicate that the market here has finally figured out that the MB isn't such a smart buy (or lease) these days.

    Not really. What they suggest is that the E-Class just got a whole lot of new competition (even some internal competition in the form of the CLS) and the S-Class is in its last model year. If there was this big downturn against Mercedes in general, the M, SLK, and CLS wouldn't be selling as good as they are. They're way up over last year (M,SLK) and/or are within a few hundred units of the yearly goal (10K) in just 7 months, the CLS.

    The E-Class seems to be bouncing back. I think for the E to have kept a first or second place spot in sales with a half-dozen newer cars having hit the market in a year's time is very impressive. Is some of that status? Most definitely but status alone can't alone stem the tide against so many newer cars. The next big thing is the new S-Class. If it doesn't go over well then MB does indeed have a problem because a lot is riding on it. I don't think the R-Class is going to set any sales records though. Lets see what that facelift brings the E for 2007.

  • cstilescstiles Posts: 465
    Yes, the ding repair works very well. The key is---they have to be able to get behind the body panel in order to push the dent out. This is usually not a problem with most door panels, and even fenders or quarterpanels.

    I watched this guy use a special tool (a long rod with a L-shaped tip) to access my quarterpanel through the rear tail lens assembly, and literally push the dent out on my A4. You can't even tell there was ding there. Same thing with a dent I had on my fender on my Civic Si. He went through the wheel well.

    Body shops have to be a bit concerned, since this takes business away from them. But anytime you don't have to repaint a body panel, all the better. And all the cheaper.

    Good luck with your new GS. My wife's RL also has a Diamond Pearl (white) exterior and a parchment leather interior. A friend's wife also had a previous generation GS in this same combination. And another friend has a girlfriend who drives a GX470 with the same combo. At the risk of stereotyping, seems women prefer that color combination over men???? Sure is easier to keep clean, that's for sure.
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    I agree about Chrysler. The article mentions Chryslers turn around, but the only hot products that Chrysler has right now use M-B derived platforms and M-B transmitions. What I think that means is that they have to be given access to at least some current M-B technology. The first real synergy product was the Crossfire, which is stuck with a '97 platform, recirculating ball steering, and M-B's old 215hp 3.2L V-6. Thats just not good enough to compete with the likes of Z, GTO, Mustang GT, etc.

    I'm not sure if there's much of a market for the R-class or not, but BMW seems to think so, as they are hard at work on a competitor.
  • lexi300lexi300 Posts: 36
    Good to hear about ding repair. Don't know if I'll need it, but I've got it if I do. I'm usually not one to go with additional warrantees (on TVs, iPods, phones and the like), but I figured it's pretty sure I'll ding the car in the 5 years I'll have it (and the 5 years the contract is for).

    No problem with stereotyping. With our politically correct culture, people fear making any comments like this. But I believe it is true: white cars with light interiors are more of a woman thing. It's not that a man can't buy them, drive them, enjoy them, and look good in them; it's just that more women buy them than one would predict by chance. I agree. My last four coupes or sedans have been white exteriors. My last two SUVs have been green.

    I actually started out wanting a kind of sand color exterior with black interior, but the GS didn't come in this color combo.

    I found it very interesting that the GS doesn't use the champagne color over the whole interior. It's on the seats, the carpet, and much of the trim, but the top trim under the windshield is a very dark brown or dark ash color. I like it, since it breaks things up a bit and helps alleviate sun glare. It is a bit unusual though.
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