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  • jjacurajjacura Posts: 808
    Did the Bimmer man remove his decontamination suit before returning to the comfort of his home? ;)
  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,301
    Remove the....?
  • jjacurajjacura Posts: 808
    "I went deep into the bowels of iDrive (wearing my decontamination suit, of course) and changed the 3-blinker to a normal lane changer."

    Did you remove the decontamination suit .....ah nevermind... Enjoy your weekend!
  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,301
    Deep into the bowels of iDrive. One heck of a sobering experience. It has changed me in a strange, disorganizing sort of way. And yet, I must say, I hope I never, ever have to go there again.

    I can visualize Mr Spock holding the controller knob with both hands, concentrating on the Vulcan Mind Meld as the iDrive system communicates through his voice: "PAIN! SO MUCH PAIN!....."
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    "For anyone interested, two of the usual suspects brought up the rear: 2005 MB E500 and 2005 Cadillac STS V8."

    That definitely shows how much power M-B image still has, at least for the E class anyway. Its (comparitively) old for the class, and I have not seen it win any recent comparo, in fact its usually not even in the top 3. Yet it continually fights the 5 for most sales every month.
  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,301
    The MB was the most expensive vehicle in the comparo (MB $63,000, BMW $61,000 as tested).
  • jjacurajjacura Posts: 808
    Has Mercedes improved their reliability any in recent years?
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    The 2004 E class is well below average, and CR still "predicts" poor reliability. Supposedly things are better for the '05 MY cars. We'll see.
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    The E is only a year older than the 5-Series. The E hasn't done that bad in these comparos considering it is the oldest and that it isn't a sporting machine like the 5-Series or M45. I seem to remember it doing better than all the other Euro cars in that C&D comparo. For a 5-Series to lose to an E-Class in any competiton is big news. You would think that with all the newer cars just introduced the E would be pushed to the back of the line but that hasn't been the case. The E-Class has a timeless appeal for those who want more of luxury slant on this class imo. Motor Trend did say that if the test was about power and class/taste (or something like that) the E would win. Now if MBUSA would offer a real sports package like on the European E things might be different, especially once the E500 gets the 382hp V8 next year. Even now with "only" 302 hp the E wasn't the slowest car in the test. The 07 should be a 5.0 sec 0-60 car. Besides sales are never made or broken by magazine comparos anyway. If that was the case the E would have never managed to lead this class in sales for so long because it has only outright won once since 2003 and that was against all of previous generation cars in C&D when the current E first came out.

  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,301
    Purely a prestige thing I guess.
    It's a good thing for MB that most of its customer base probably doesn't read the magazine comparos.
    I haven't read a MB sedan rave in quite a long time.
    Does anybody recall a MB sedan coming in at least second in any comparo over the last 5 years?
    Yet I wouldn't hesitate for even one second if someone offered me a test drive in an E or an S.
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    I definitely wouldnt hesitate if offered a test drive for an E55. I've driven that car several times, its soo much fun. Its not a track car like the M5, but mash the accel on the highway, and it feels like the car has a turbojet in the trunk. The supercharged Jaguar 4.2 is quick, but the AMG engine is a monster.
  • jjacurajjacura Posts: 808
    Devastatingly quick! Rode in one with a buddy and 2 other golfers running late for a Tee time. A lone state trooper coming at us on a county trunk pulled us over and wrote the driver a 6 point ticket. :blush:
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    One of the few cars where you can go fast enough to lose your liscense on the entrance ramp :)
  • jjacurajjacura Posts: 808
    Yep and my RL would probably feel like a fogie's car behind the AMG that has what....460 HP and does 60MPH in 4.3 seconds...Not too shabby. Not as quick as a Corvette or a Porsche but then that's a whole different class and subject.
  • rich545rich545 Posts: 386
    Okay, so as a long-time defender of the E60 I have to say that the 2006 A6 Avant is an impressive machine. My wife just traded her ML320 for it, and it is truly a beautiful car. I had driven the Allroad last year, and thought it was okay, but boring. Nothing boring about the new A6 so though I have said in the past that I find Audi's boring I am retracting that now. I don't even mind the huge grill so much. MMI is easy to use, and the interior quality of the car is great. I don't think that iDrive is any more difficult to use, at least in the E60, but the interface itself is much better looking in MMI. I actually went so far as to test drive the A6 sedan (3.2 not 4.2), and was impressed with it also. The one I drove had the S-Line package, and was a dealer demo so I didn't feel bad about driving it agressively. It responded beautifully. My 545 may outperform it, but for the money it's a great choice. In fact, everyone my wife shows the car to thinks it's beautiful (it's Artic Grey which is a great color for it), and most of them are people that did not like previous Audi's. While I think that the old A6 was largely an afterthought by Audi in comparison to the effort they put into the A4 and A8, the new version clearly got plenty of attention. And all of the different storage options for the bay in the Avant are pretty cool too!
  • carnaughtcarnaught 'zonaPosts: 2,339
    I agree with your accessment of the new A6, beautifully done and a lot of fun to drive. The new grill has grown on me and I do not think it looks excessive, rather aggressive. Until Audi's resale improves, however, I would only lease not buy the car.
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    Perhaps its just me, but I think the interior of the new A6 is a step backward from the last one. The previous car had an uncharacteristically warm and inviting interior for a german car, almost Jaguar like. The new one is typical teutonic, cold and computerized. Its not so much a cabin as a "driver interface compartment".


  • jjacurajjacura Posts: 808
    The All New Audi A6 Avant is the Nicest looking wagon I've seen.
  • Let me get this straight- that is the A6 interior? it can't be- if that car is compared to an 06GS, MB-E or comparable car's interior then there is no comparison, there is more cheap looking plastic here than well I dont know, but to me this is not a luxury cabin, not even close.
  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 22,091
    you could have convinced me that first shot is of the inside of my '98 volvo.

    yes, i love my volvo, but its 8 years old. I wouldn't want to find it on a new car I'm thinking of buying.

    '17 F150 Crew 2.7; '67 Coronet R/T; '14 Town&Country Limited; '09 LR2 HSE. 44-car history and counting!

  • jjacurajjacura Posts: 808
    My comment was regarding the Exterior,,bodyStyleId-5,00.html?bodystyle=a6avant which is excellant. You meant to reply to Lexasguy regarding his INTERIOR comparison photos.
  • rich545rich545 Posts: 386
    Well, maybe sitting in it is different than pictures of it because sitting in my wife's car I think it feels very welcoming. One other thing is that the above car has a grey interior whereas my wife's is black which I think looks much nicer. I do think that poor flash work adds to how bad that picture makes the interior look too.
  • rich545rich545 Posts: 386
    I don't know if you've ever been in one or if you're just going off of the picture, but I would encourage you to sit in one before mentioning cheap plastic. I would say that the interior of the A6 uses top-flight materials. In fact, I'll go so far as to say I think it's much nicer than my 545's interior. I've been in the E and the LS (never the GS though) and I can tell you that neither uses less plastic or has a more quality feel at least in my opinion. The entire top of the E's dash is all hard plastic. I didn't think that the Allroad's interior was great or very luxurious, but the new A6 is definitely both.
  • tayl0rdtayl0rd Posts: 1,926
    Not to mention a gray interior never looks comforting or inviting. It's, IMO, the coldest interior of them all. Depressing even.

    On another note, rich545, which seats do your wife have, the sport or the regular. Do you guys notice the side of the seat cushion pokes you in the rear/thigh on entry/exit? It's like a really hard edge where the seat controls are. That's been my experience with the normal seats. I haven't had the opportunity to try the sport seats yet.
  • No, i've never been in a an A6 but the pictures speak volumes. I'm going to sound a bit harsh but please allow me my honest thoughts:
    Let's take the GS as an example of a compare-

    GS steering wheel- real birds eye maple wood and leather wrapped
    A6 steering wheel- all plastic, like a Cavalier I would dare say

    GS radio/nav- radio knobs are chrome ringed, entire radio/button set up looks very rich
    A6 radio/nav- just looks cheap, i'm sorry, but for a 50 thousand dollar car what they put in is a travesty

    GS gauges- beautiful steel bezel, numbers illuminate in any light
    A6 gauges- ok, will do, but for 50 grand man, I dont know.

    Again, i'm just speaking my mind- had this been a 24K car, i'd have said nothing but if Audi is looking to gain ground on the GS's RL's, 530's, E's, M's of this world, then i'm absolutely unimpressed. Am I the only one??
  • cdnpinheadcdnpinhead Forest Lakes, AZPosts: 4,055
    It may be time to recall that the Euro vs Dollar situation has gone way south over the past four years.

    Or not.
  • tayl0rdtayl0rd Posts: 1,926
    You really need to go sit inside, and drive, an A6. Your info is misguided. The A6 has a leather wrapped sterring wheel (and I believe wood is optional). The dials for the MMI, climate, radio volume, etc. are chrome trimmed. The guages are backlit in all lighting conditions and plenty visible.
  • Perhaps I do indeed need to see it in person and I know that flash harshens things alot but still i'm unimpressed- now look at this if you want to see sumptuous luxury appointments-
  • rich545rich545 Posts: 386
    Pictures can actually be very bad a speaking volumes. If you've ever looked at a house you'd probably agree. My wife's A6 has a wood and leather wrapped sterring wheel. The NAV system in the A6 is anything but cheap. It was designed by a Japanese firm as even Audi admits that they aren't as good at it. The bottons and dials in the car all feel like they are very high quality. Again, I know you're just expressing your opinion, but please go sit in one before you make assumptions based on a picture. You may still hate it, but I was pleasantly surprised. My opinion is that Audi offers the best value-for-money in the segment. I don't know about the GS, but the E and E60 both easily cost $10K more than the A6. Certainly, my 545 is much faster and handles better than the 3.2 A6, but I don't know if the same would be true of the 530xi or 350 E. I'm just saying that I think it's a very nice car, and I can tell you that everyone that she's shown the car to thinks it's hot as hell (including people that would have never bought and Audi before).
  • tayl0rdtayl0rd Posts: 1,926
    You get no argument from me that the GS has a nice interior, though I find both the GS and the A6 interiors to be a bit "antiseptic." But not bad at all.
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