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Your asking price of $16,500 for a 2004 with 16,500 miles evidently not low enough to compete with a new car. Two weeks ago I paid MSRP + $500 Fees for a new MT xB. I did not want a warranty, and disregarding the tax, the cost was $15,000. I had a waiting period of four weeks.
Regarding CA inventories, I think what I meant was the dealer said he could look for his own inventory that was scheduled to arrive via truck from the west coast (actually Portland, OR as port city), reserve one, and pre-sell to me. Thus the confusion about searching common inventory.
Having said all that, anyone know of a great dealership in the tri-state (NY) area? I'm willing to travel for it, but won't shop with a dealership that's going to spit on my hand as I'm writing them a check for $20,000.
Our Toyota dealers are okay. I got mine from Northway Toyota in Latham because they were the nicest, least intrusive and most willing to address my interests. I really had no problems.
Good luck.
i went back to kerry two weeks later and they suddenly had like 6 of them! but they all had the upgraded wheels and spoilers. the salesman told me i would have to order one from japan to get the base model. at one and a half weeks they told me it was "in freight" meaning crossing from japan. at 4 weeks they said it was still in freight but no on could tell me whether it was on a ship or train and when i would get it :sick:
my salesman told me "they aren't concerned about your car" since "they know they can sell it" when i enquired about how much longer before they would know when it would arrive. my husband made a phone call the the GM about the salesman's comment and then the GM called me and said they would have 2 base models in next week and would sell me one of those. in the meantime, they offered a loaner (has the fancy wheels and spoiler of course).
there was some quibbling over price. i wanted no extras including the floor mats. hence why i was told i had to order from japan. all i wanted was a manual tranny, no additions, no low profile tires just plain jane. and because it was special order i had to choose a color and picked thundercloud. the substitues were white and blue.they didn't want to remove the floormats from the substitute but eventually did after i told them i would wait out the arrival of the thundercloud from japan. of course they wanted to sell a car so they took the mats out.
overall experience: could have been better, i'm sure the concept of "pure price" is not supposed to transpire as it did for me.
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17" Alloys
Lowered 2" on Tanabe springs
Injen air intake
Greddy style exhaust
Alpine speaker system
Professionally installed Security System with Engine Immobilizer
Tinted Windows
$15090
The Elantra is number 8 on the top ten WORST residual values of 2006:
Edmunds2006worstresiduals
Let's try to focus on xB pricing in this particular discussion.
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Is a 2006 new XB, thundercloud automatic, with nothing added for $16,995 out the door price sounds right?
Or,
A 2005 used XB, Yellow sides and Black top (customized color), automatic with 21,000 miles on it for $13,125 sounds right?
I need help to decide.
Going into the 2007 model year, an oddly-painted 2005 with 21,000 possibly hard miles for $13,125 does not sound like a good deal. The Kelley Blue Book trade-in value on that car is $10,500, using a vehicle condition of "Fair" due to the odd cosmetics.
Compare the $13,125 to the new figure of $15,370 above. For about $2,000 more, you could have a perfect new car with 0 miles, factory warranty, a factory paint color, and high resale value.
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I will pickup mine tomorrow. Out the door price is 17,000 XB automatics with cargo cover and rear bumper applique. Location is 98058. Since there is no haggling on this price so this is the lowest I can do. 9% tax, 35 doc, and 100+ licensing.
Let me know if this can be better.
1- how is the xB in the snow??? my husband is ready to scratch it from the list because he thinks it will do horrible in the snow(weight at the back versus in the front)...any owners with experience with the xB and the snow???
we drove it a couple of months ago and we really like it!!!
and just a personal comment here...
when i first saw an xB last yr... ( i am from canada and i never got to see one over there)i went
" what in the world is THAT car??????!!!! someone built a lego truck and put it on the road????!!!!"
anyways...i see the terms " toaster" and "xbox" but i my eyes it is a lego truck all the way!!! (especially the white ones!!!)
Doesn't the scion business model generally focus on factory orders with just a little inventory sitting on lots for sale, display and demo? compared to other makes. (In other words they are always in short "supply")
--jjf
That fee is not excessive as a total fee, given the short supply of xBs. The 3 dealers in Louisville have total fees of $400, $500 and $950. I went with the dealer who had the $500 fees. They are just a market value adjustment.
i was a jeep wrangler and a jeep cherokee driver for yrs and i will have to get use to be "careful" again!!!
i lived in quebec, canada until last yr when i moved to kansas, so i am still in my "snow" mode i guess!!! :P
up there, we always worry about cars in the snow and which winter tires are the best!!! ahahah
i will forward the info to my husband and cross my fingers!!!
the xA is way cuter (in my opinion) but i love the room in the xB and i felt really secure when i test drove it, and coming from a JEEP girl that says a lot!!!
They say usually nothing happens, but in extraordinary circumstances the finish may absorb moisture which can cause hazing, dulling, clouding, whitening. Usually these effects are reversible.
Moisture absorbtion can occur from:
- a wax or sealant that has not fully cured or was improperly applied.
- recent paint not fully cured.
- poor quality or improperly formulated paint that may never cure.
- improperly applied paint that may never cure.
The dealer was in Bakersfield, Ca. and is Bill Wright Toyota/Scion. All of the other local dealers tried to play games. Like "this XB came this way from Japan", all the extras are added at the ports based on what the dealer orders. (costs the same to have a extra added at the dealer). "We have that color and 5 spd in stock with NO options" and I get there and there is $1,800.00 of crap added to the car. "All Scions get the glass ID etching", no they do not. And the list goes on.
But the dealer that I mentioned above told me everything straight, and delivered what I asked for in less than a week from the day that I walked on their lot, approx. 110 miles from my residence.
So beware there are good dealers out there and there are dealers that are only looking to put as much crap on a XA & XB so they can make more money. I called Toyota and asked about the price that was posted on the internet and Toyota told me that it was a "FIRM" price minus tax and license fees. Bill Wright told me that I could buy my XB for the price that was advertised by Scion on the internet plus add 8% to that figure to cover tax and license fees, and they hit just below the figure that I came up with.
So it was worth the drive to me, and there are lots of Toyota/Scion dealers that are closer, but they can have their games.
Any questions just ask.
Thanks,
Bob
took it for a test drive loved it but am a little scared by no haggle idea of price.
Since thats set in stone i guess i can still haggle about
trade in value on the vw but here's my question:
when i looked on the scion website and was building my xB
all of the accessories, both int. and ext. had a little disclaimer saying that the price of the accessories varies and so i thought: HERES a possible window for haggling.
has anyone out there tried haggling on the price of accessories for their xB? I dont want to trick mine out
but theres a few i'd definitely like and if its possible to get the dealer down on the price of accessories i'd definitely like to give it a shot.
thanks for the help....
andy m.
Tell them your are getting 10 quotes and will take the lowest price. That you will definitely be buying in the next few days (before EOM). Avoid quickquotes thru edmunds, cars.com etc as dealers pay for exclusive rights for these and quotes will usually be noncompetitive. Go thru individual dealer websites from dealer locator on SCION website if email (with your cell#) is your choice.
Bring up trade after narrowing to 3 dealers to compete . If it is in good shape maybe get a phone quote. They may overappraise your trade to book a sale at the EOM.
I don't know how much your VW is worth. If substantial, shop your trade to several VW dealers (preferably) . Tell them you need cash and your shopping around and need to sell this car today, and you want their best shot on your car and you will sell it if their price is high enough. (It won't be.... sounds ok but I've got substantially better offers .. (What are the offers?: substantially more than what you gave ) I'll look around--give card with cell # "in case the scenery changes") Do this 2 or three times for a cherry auto. Will give you a decent view of the market and minimizes the worst of the lowballs + leaves an opening for callbacks if they did. Gets the offers to firm up quicker. (Bibles, bluebooks, kelly, edmunds can vary substantially-- higher or lower than what the market around you will bear. and it gives you an idea of what SCION should approach. )
Perhaps they'll give you a few hundred more for your trade to move a SCION and book a sale. Perhaps some add ons at cost or better. All in total quote. Your canvas of 10 + dealers will reveal the most eager. (in general,70% aren't)
Depending on financing situation you may wind up selling the trade to the VW dealer if the SCION offers aren't adequate.
Ya never know till ya try, and ya gotta get MANY (not just 3-4) competing bids to get narrowed down to those few who may want to move a car.
--Happy Hunting
--jjf
The biggest difference in price for me was shopping the dealers' fees. They are free to charge any fees they want, as part of their "pure price". They are supposed to post fees in the showroom, but they usually satisfy the posting requirement by putting the fees on their websites under "About Us", which I did not know. The three dealers around me had total fees of $900, $500 and $400. I encountered the $900 at the first dealer I went to. I did not really notice the $900 until I asked that dealer to write up a purchase order, which showed some strangely worded items like "special benefits package" and "salesman" that he admitted were fees. When I tried to negotiate the excessive $900 in fees, I was told to go check other dealers. So I did.
when you say you bought the parts online, are you talking
about direct from scion and then installing them yourself
or off of some other website?
i'm fairly handy and what i can't do i think i could
get my brother to do, but i would like to make sure
scion parts go into the car so that i dont end up messing with the warranty.
anyways, thanks again for the tips....
andy m.
Rear shocks, pair SensaTrac #5987 NAPA 76
Cabin air filter OEM Precision 28
Console arm rest Zeta Precision 204
Exhaust tip Valor NewScion Carson 50
Floor mats OEM ScionWarehouse 55
Fog lights OEM ScionWarehouse 219
R bumper applique OEM ScionWarehouse 45
Rubber floor mats Classic W31-W20 F&R WeatherTech 112
Cargo mat OEM ScionWarehouse 45
Grille OEM, black Greentree Toyota 122
Body side molding Black rubber Custom Auto Trim 115
Black ground effects Bedliner spray Line-X of Louisville 350
Rear sway bar TRD Sparks Toyota 155
Strut bar DC Sports CS-2 CSB1401 Ptuning 92
Dashboard cover Suede, black Calif Car Cover 45
Sunroof Webasto Inbuilt 640 Auto Sunroof Co. 1272
Leather seats Katzskins, black Auto Sunroof Co. 1272
Seat cover Superfit single Sheepskin Outlet 72
Wood dash Veneerz - basic kit Veneerz.com 71
Cruise control Rostra AllScion 195
Bra, 2-pc carb fiber Colgan Colgan 200
ScanGuageII Linear Logic Linear Logic 180
(The prices include shipping. Add $150 to the cruise control for professional installation.)
Did the "Dashboard cover Suede, black Calif Car Cover" lay perfectly flat on the dash and more importantly did it stop all the reflected glare? I have a DashMat Black on my Honda FIT that blocks 100% of the glare but doesn't particularly fit very well. Thanks...............
Regards,
Bubba
Since I don't use it all the time, I only stuck the hooked velcro tape in two places around the speedo housing. The hooked tape grabs the back of the dashmat gently. The dashmat lies on the xB dash very well if I take time to place it carefully and leave it there for a day. But most of the time I just slap in on the dash for a few hours and don't care if I don't get it perfect. If I used spots of tape everywhere and left the dashmat in place to settle out, it would lie perfectly.
The dash used to get almost too hot to touch in the sun, which increased the load on the AC and made the parked car very hot. The dashmat only gets warm to the touch, which reduces the load on the AC and makes the parked car a lot cooler.
In a no dicker Saturn like situation for the Scion your major determinant would be price otd with all your options with all fees and taxes. The biggie in your case would be the trade allowance offered. Although they have little flexibility on the raw sticker, the options and fees they have more leeway on as well of course, the trade.
--jjf
With a trade in, then it would be a choice of how much they will allow on your Sebring and how high the dealer fee is. Find the combo that nets you the best price.
Dennis
At the $900 dealer, some of the fees did not become apparent until the purchase order was drawn up for me to sign. There were pre-printed lines on it like Special Benefits Package and Saleperson, and the dealer had filled in $600 for one and $200 for the other, which were nothing but fees.
I didn't buy from that dealer.
The Scion xb is #3 in holding value behind only the Prius and the Mini. The xA is #9 and the Civic is #10 .
Dennis
My friend just sold a 2 yr old xb with 29000 miles on it for about $1300 less than a new one at his dealership (to some nimrod no doubt but still...)
--jjf
The Scion xb is #3 in holding value behind only the Prius and the Mini. The xA is #9 and the Civic is #10 .
Dennis
Afterwards I went to the Scion dealership down the street and realized I could have got a brand new 2006 for the same amount.
However, my Scion came with alloy wheels, rear spoiler, and euro style tail lights, so I probably still saved money.
The only feature I think I really missed out on was the radio controls on the steering wheel.
I love the car, it handles great, gets great gas mileage, feels more roomier than the Ford Explorer I traded in, and I was able to load it up with an incredible amount of boxes and luggage when I had to move a couple of months ago.
I miss some features that I am accustomed too...like cruise control.
Can someone who has had the cruise control installed tell me how clean the installation is and how well it works?. Also, what is the lowest speed you can have it set for? I like to set my cruise control when I am driving in 25 mph zones to keep me honest.
The cruise control is made by Rostra, whether installed by the port or the dealer or aftermarket. I bought mine aftermarket from AllScion.com and they provided the name of a local installer (who had done 75 for the three local Scion dealers). I studied the instructions and the car, and could have installed it if I was not 6'-2" and 64 yrs with a stiff back and trifocals. The vision was the worst, as you must be able to look upward and see perfectly 3 inches in front of your face. So I paid the installer, who did it in two hours while I waited. It is a clean stalk on the steering column, below and behind the car's stalk. I had mine installed high and further back, so I would never hit it with my big knees getting in. As a result I can't see the ON light behind the steering wheel, but it is only visible at night anyway, and you learn to use the control by feel anyway.
I have a manual transmission and only use the cruise control when on the Interstate. With an automatic, I think you might be able to set it on 25 mph if you could maintain that speed for a few minutes at a time. But in practice under normal driving conditions where you would be using 25 mph, I think the cruise control, the engine/trans and you would all go crazy. If this is what you want to do, I am very sure that things will not work the way you want. Expect to spend about $350.
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