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Audi A4 2005+



  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    >>Every time one of us settles (not really) for an auto (as I just did with my M35x and as I would have with an Audi A6, for that matter) it is just another nail in the coffin.

    While I mostly agree with you, this also becomes a chicken or the egg question. You can't buy what they aren't selling and even if it might be somehow technically possible to buy (order) it, the industry and society have placed so many impediments in the way - most of which you folks have quite eloquently expressed.
  • dhanleydhanley Posts: 1,531
    I think it's part of the endemic laziness of our culture. I just read an article today about how there's a boom in people using personal assistants to do what used to be simple everyday tasks. In life, one has to work harder for superior results. More power, control, and economy is a superior result. No doubt about that. The question is, are we willing to learn to flip a little stick and move our foot a little to achieve that end? I interview people ( for jobs ) and the level of intellectual laziness just astounds me sometimes. There is a correlation!
  • rml583rml583 Posts: 1
    Does anyone know if the amaretto colored leather or any additional colors besides black, gray and beige leather are available on the 2.0T? How easy is it to order any additional colors for the interior?
  • markcincinnatimarkcincinnati Posts: 5,343
    Several months ago before my wife and I both "left the Audi nest" we placed a "soft order" for a new A4. We ordered, and I think this is correct, Phantom Black Metallic exterior and Amaretto leather interior. These colors are not in the US Audi brochure.

    We were allowed to order it -- there was an extra charge of some $4,000 however for this. The paint alone was $2,500. Previously I had ordered Pearl White for some Audis and had been quoted $1250. The current trend is to allow and charge (big time).

    As the saying goes, "it all depends on the thickness of the stack of $100 dollar bills."

    We passed.
  • mariobgoodemariobgoode Posts: 114
    I have always drived manuals and had never been persuaded to convert to auto. I did own an auto at one time (a Dodge van, to be precise) and hated it from day one. I settled for the auto in this case because of resale considerations, delay in availability of a manual, etc. I share some posters' observation that drivers today are lazy, especially the young ones.

    I prefer manuals because of one single thing: control. I always get sheer driving pleasure from going through the gears, just like the high-speed drivers in the movies. The fact that the fuel economy is better is a plus, as well as the fact that my cars don't get borrowed very much because they are all manuals. I am not too inconvenienced by the frequent shifting of gears in traffic because I don't drive long distances on a daily basis, since I take public transportation to work. But even if I did, I guess it is a small price to pay for what I want.

    My college-age daughter who learned to drive 2 years ago wanted an auto for her first car because she was just learning to drive and can't handle the extra stress of learning the gear shift protocols. Now that she has 2 years under her belt, she is asking for a manual for one thing: better control of the vehicle. I suspect she also doesn't want her friends to borrow her car whenever they need to go somewhere.

    Maybe I am wrong, and this could be debatable, but I think people who drive manuals are more careful than other drivers. This may be because they are always more aware of (or attuned to) what the car is doing, and have better control of the vehicle.

    Be that as it may, happy motoring to everyone. Buy what you like and enjoy the ride. Of course, drivers of manual transmission cars would doubtless have more fun. :D
  • macmurdomacmurdo Posts: 31
    Hi everyone... I'm a newbie considering moving from Lexus GS to Audi A4 to get into AWD without breaking the bank. I've looked at the current 05.5 version and like what I see with a couple of reservations... 1) no passenger seat memory settings (minor problem really) & 2) lack of availability of the "advanced key" (push button on/off with key in your pocket) available on higher models and now in Lexus, BMW and Infiniti comparible models.

    Does anyone have any "advance" info on the 06 A4 regarding these and any other additional gizmo improvements?? And, I thought I read here a few days ago that the 06 can be ordered this summer?

    Any helpful information y'all can provide will be appreciated!!
  • rjorge3rjorge3 Posts: 144
    The fact that the fuel economy is better is a plus, as well as the fact that my cars don't get borrowed very much because they are all manuals (mariobgoode)...

    ....Mario you made me laugh, I thought I was the only one that though about that (less people borrow or want to borrow my car :) because it is stick.

    I think it's part of the endemic laziness of our culture (dhanley)...D you hit it right on the head of the nail. It is part of our culture, which I think it is unfortunate. I travel quite a bit to Europe (Spain, Greece) and it is refreshing to see men, women, teenagers both girls and boys driving stick. Traffic is often used as an excuse (heavy traffic, constant shifting, can't do other things, blah blah blah blah), but all of us manual lovers know that these are just excuses. I also dare to say that manual drivers are far more responsive and alert than Auto drivers for the simply fact that we are more engage in the driving of the car.

    I made a point to teach my wife to drive stick shift even if I had to drag her by her feet. She, like many Americans, never sat inside a manual or was never "exposed" to one. I am proud to say that the is a superb manual driver and at the time we test drove my current 2005 A4, I test drove the Auto(tiptronic, just to make her happy),then the quote her "Honey, there is no comparison, now I know what you always said". . I guess you know which one we are driving!...

    One interesting anecdote; during our recent trip to Greece on a Contiki Tour vacation, there were 4 groups of 5 people each that wanted to go to the other side of the island of Pharos. All rental car companies in Greece have a very limited amount of Auto cars (like they said; to accomodate only the American tourists), so only 2 of the 4 groups were able to go to the beach that day,,,,yes you guessed it.. there were no auto available, just stick shift, and only myself and my wife were the only ones that could drive stick. I would have loved to wait for them, but you know what, after carefully thinking it over, why would we have to sacrifice our beach trip because of their inability to drive stick???.........and they were more than 8 men in the groups!!! (not to sound like a male chauvinist, but usually men are the primary manual drivers). So the other 2 group ended up staying in the hotel swimming pool.

    Although it is a matter of preference, I am a firm believer that during our lives we are presented with many options and choices, and when you have limited options or you limit your choices because of your upbringing, laziness or whatever other reasons, then you let other dictate what you can or can't do. Or like my buddy says (he drives a BMW M3 6M), "There are people like us that buy a machine (he calls BMW and Audi machines) for the pure joy of driving these marvels of German engeniering (he gets very deep), and then are those that buy these cars just for status, and you can spot those by looking through the glass and seeing their trannies that read P N D D1, etc"... Although sometimes I acusse him of being way to deep when it comes to driving and cars, he does have a good point.

    ohhh, one last thing, please, if you drive Auto be as proud as we manual lovers are, dont' give me the excuse that your car is Triptonic, Manutronic, Steptronic or that "my car is both manual and auto"...........IT IS AUTO, you do nothing to drive it except press the gas. :shades:
  • markcincinnatimarkcincinnati Posts: 5,343
    Those of us who would pay more for a manual transmission are like screaming voices in the wilderness.

    Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who
    are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it.--Mark Twain
  • bigpapalukebigpapaluke Posts: 108
    Can I get an Amen from the congregation??

    Thank goodness I'm not in the minority here. Everyone gets it: you get more control out of the car with a manual, you are more engaged as a driver with a manual . . . .and the final point: to some, the purchase of a vehicle of this caliber is purely for status, not for performance.

    I can not wait to replace my car with either the A4 or the new 3. In either case, it will be a manual.
  • markcincinnatimarkcincinnati Posts: 5,343
    Those of us wanting a car the size of an A6 were left, at the time, with very few choices and virtually all of them were automatics.

    Nothing we do or say here will make Audi or Mercedes, for instance, offer an A6 or E class with a stick. BMW promises both the 3 and 5 AWD's in manual mode -- based on the two dealerships here in Cincinnati, I would venture the following: they'll have ONE car so equipped to test drive and it will not be fully optioned or it will be completely optioned.

    Those of us who want cars, these days, seem to end up ordering them.

    Although I do like the new M35x -- a lot -- I do wonder if I wouldn't have loved it with a smooth (snick snick) shifting 6 speed manual.

    Every day remaining in my allroad 6spd has become precious.

    In any case, if we counted all those who participate here on edmunds who would take a stick over an auto (even for a couple bucks more) and multiplied it by 10 it would probably still not motivate Audi or Mercedes or any of the other guys to offer their mid to full size cars in manual.

    You can almost bet that had Audi brought the new A4 3.2 ONLY in manual, that they would have been in a world of hurt financially.

    I read on one of these boards that someone went to their friendly local BMW store only to find none, zero, zilch demo cars equipped with a manual transmission.

    I wonder what they do at the Porsche store -- but then again the expectations there may be different.

    One last crybaby remark -- a local Cincinnati "oldies" radio station is giving away a "mint condition" (er, cherry) Corvette Sting Ray -- it is from the 60's or 70's (I think 60's) -- it has 12,000 original miles on it, etc. The teaser ad on the radio station was talking about the car -- son of a gun if their description of the car did not close with the assurance to the lucky winner that he/she would have a "rare" automatic version of this car (what a 2spd Powerglide????). Oh the ignominy.

    We're doomed.
  • wco81wco81 Posts: 541
    I remember reading somewhere, a long time ago, that auto was one of the options which retained at least half its price on resale. Same with A/C.

    That is, if an auto transmission cost $600, more than likely, on resale, the car was worth $300 more than a model without it. Other options didn't return as much.
  • davkingdavking Posts: 51
    Based on careful observation over many years I have come to the conclusion that most American drivers cannot steer much less shift gears. Left turns into the right lane, right turns into the left lane, etc. Pretty soon we won't be driving at all, at least on highways, just sitting there while electronics guide the car. Maybe they will have toll roads for those who want to drive.
  • chaz0872chaz0872 Posts: 2
    Interesting conversation gentlemen. I've been reading this board for a number of years now. I unfortunately no longer own my precious 2001.5 A4 1.8TQ but continue to be enamored with Audis in general. It had the constantly ridiculed Tiptronic transmission. Yes I did experience turbo lag or tip lag; however, I did find it very engaging with the turbo engine.

    The main reason I bought the car was because I fell in love with it (my wife with the A6 but that is another story). A secondary reason, but still important in my mind was the fact that there was obviously not the arrogance I experienced with the other German car dealers and owners. Over my time observing this forum it seems that has shifted however. Maybe it is because Audi has been successful in it's desire to have their products viewed to compete on the same level as BMW and Mercedes.

    Regardless of which option; manual or automatic, leather or leatherette, etc. a carbuyer makes his/her purchase based on personal preferences. I do not understand why it is deemed necessary to ridicule others because they do not choose a car for the same reasons you do. I happen to currently drive a large SUV and am happy to be lumped in a group so graciously created by joxer1.

    By the way, look at all of the top-end sports cars or "super cars" (Saleen S7, Ford GT, any Porsche, etc.)...don't they all have automatics of some sort? Aren't they equipped with the "paddle-shifters" on the steering wheel/column? Not that I am interested in it but what about Formula 1? And that certainly started in Europe where, according to the latest posts, apparently they are the only ones that really know how to drive cars.

    This forum used to contain useful information, I can go to other forums for the arrogant speak and name calling.
  • rjorge3rjorge3 Posts: 144
    Uhmmm, I re-read my post three times just to make sure I did not overstep my boundaries and called people names. I also read the follow-ups to see if any of the others did some name calling o try to ridicule auto drivers. I did not find any evidence that people are trying to ridicule others. But then again, some live their lives always trying to find the most minuscule things to fulfill their never ending quest of feeling sorry for themselves.

    The only reason I come to these posts is to have good, spirited and contrarians arguments about the cars we love regardless of auto, manual, grey, blue, FWD, AWD, German built, American built, leather, Leatherette, etc etc etc, but I hate (and I hate to use to word hate), but I hate the fact that some posters get so easily offended by anything or everything that some of us post on these forums. I will hate (sorry to use it again) for us to have to watch so closely what we type for fear of "offending" others. I think that I speak for the majority here, and I dare to say that regardless of our views, we are all adults, respectful, hardworking individuals (we have to be in order to be able to afford these German beauties ;) that express our opinion FREELY. We use and write in these forums so that others, get information and education about different topics. I wouldn’t want to see the day that we all have to carefully watch what we type in fear that we might me called, "arrogant" "name callers" etc. to me that is very, very sad my friends.

    Sorry if I am steering off topic here, but I remember my College years at Baruch College in NYC, and how there was always a handful of students (for some reason you can spot them a mile away as they all look the same) that always had something to protest because they felt offended by everything. It always seem that the world was against them (pollution, world hunger, save the whales, we are killing extinct birds, you get the idea), you couldn't even discuss hot topics like abortion or politics or anything else, because they would label you something............Good thing we never took them seriously. How could we let them spoil our fun college WAY!!!!!!!!

    Ok, that was a load off my chest and sorry gang again for taking so much of your time typing this sad reply. Now let's go back to the fun stuff:

    Markcincinatty, I feel your pain (A6 no Manual Tranny). One of my clients (I blamed him for turning me into an Audi lover) leased his 2002 A6 6sp, he was so looking forward to replace it with the new one, only to find out that it did not come stick.....boy o boy, the guy was devastated and my salesman that sold me my A4 could not come up with good enough reasons to make him buy the new A6 auto. My client ended up buying his leased 2002 A6. He told me that he will wait until it comes Manual (poor guy is dreaming). I told him to look into a BMW 5, but the thickhead is an Audi fanatic and will not have anything but an Audi......what gives???????
  • rjorge3rjorge3 Posts: 144
    Markcincinnaty, I noticed on another discussion that you had your TT chipped to increase hp and torque. You had recommended Direct Port programming, my question to you is, how safe is this to do? I have a 2005 A4 1.8 6M which I leased. I truly love the car, but of course I would like to have a little bit of additional kick. However I am scare if the dealer finds out. Any thoughts??? Ideas?

    I found a dealer in Long Island, NY that said they can do trial run for 36 hours and then my car will return back to normal. Have you heard of anyone that've done that??

  • aec11aec11 Posts: 13
    According to the chat session with Marc Trahan on April 6, plus confirmation from my local Audi dealer, you can already order an 06 A4, although the first month of production will not be until June, and the first 06's will likely not be seen in the showrooms until September. As I understand it, dealers generally receive their allocations once a month, at the end of the month. April allocations will be for 06's only, too late to order an 05.5.

    Again as I understand it, the 06 A4 will have Blue Tooth integrated telephone system, six-speed manual on the 3.2 engine, new colors including a metallic red. None of these are available on the 05.5 A4.
  • markcincinnatimarkcincinnati Posts: 5,343
    The trial run of the direct port programming -- for 36 hours -- is a great way to test the upgrade. I would do it in a heartbeat.

    I have heard of folks who have done this -- in my case, we actually replaced the chip in the TT. I would have rather had the direct port option. In 2000 that was not an option.

    Today, with DPP, you will have no issue with the so called chastity belt on the ECU. No warranty issues, unless you insist on having certain safety features disabled, such as the rev limiter.
  • chaz0872chaz0872 Posts: 2
    I think this speaks for itself.
  • gschultzgschultz Posts: 1
    I am contemplating leasing an A4 2.0 but given current gas prices, I'd like to avoid buying premium gas. They recommend using premium but I have a 2002 Volvo S60 with a turbo and it's always run fine on regular. Any experience or thoughts?
  • cicerocicero Posts: 51
    Well said. And that is why there were 31 flavors....
    Also, I find myself having trouble navigating the over-lengthy "see how much I know" responses that seem to have increased over the last few months. I would appreciate brief questions and responses as opposed to some of the comprehensive term papers that seem to be on the rise.
  • byronwalterbyronwalter Posts: 220
    I believe that using lower octane gas will affect the 2.0T's hp (for the worse). How much extra is that premium gas really going to cost you per year? I bet that it is a pretty insignificant amount as compared to the overall cost of the car. Unless you are doing mostly stop & go driving the "2" should get pretty good mileage anyway.

    Byron ('02 A4 Avant manual/sports/etc)
  • joxer1joxer1 Posts: 27
    You may find its false economy, as often you will get poorer gas mileage if the car was designed for premium. I would also be very hesitant to use lower octane in a turbo car during the hottest months of the year when the ambient temperatures may further increase the chance of pre-ignition coming on quicker than at other times of year. Short, boring and on-topic, ok Pat?
  • tucsonbobtucsonbob Posts: 14
    Say Mark:
    The $64,000 question is how are you doing with the M35x's transmission? Haven't you driven it for a month? Bored? Satisfied? Just curious.
  • zeemzeem Posts: 1

    I'm in the last phase beforing buying the new Audi A4 Avant. I take the light 1,9 JTD so I can stuff it with some nice options - including the GPS navigation system. I'm thinking about adding the optional TV tuner too. I'm fully aware that this is not a crucial gadet - but seems cool! My question: does anyone have any experience with this TV tuner? How is the quality? Can you watch it (I mean my co-pilot of course) while the car is moving? Also, is there any way to watch regular (i.e. not navigational) DVD movies on the screen?


  • markcincinnatimarkcincinnati Posts: 5,343
    It will cost more to run the 2.0T on regular. The term du jour is "false economy."

    If you use 1000 gallons per year, the cost will be $200 more than regular for premium. There are many fine -- and long -- explanations why using regular will indeed cost less per gallon but more per year. One that comes to mind is that "if you use 1000 gallons of premium, you will use MORE than 1000 gallons of regular to achieve the same results in the engine so designed to run on premium." Lots of posts on this subject, some very technical, some very terse, some "just right."

    If you're buying or leasing a car in this price range, it appears to go with the territory. If you want to find one that doesn't use Premium Fuel, check out another manufacturer.

    Running a turbo that requires premium on regular will not only cost more it does run the risk, however slight, of heat induced problems.
  • markcincinnatimarkcincinnati Posts: 5,343
    US Federal Law does not permit "TV" or DVD's to be viewed in a moving car if the TV screen is within the driver's line of sight.

    It is a violation of Federal Law to defeat this -- it is apparently difficult to defeat (and rightly so). Most "bi-mode" units permit video only when the car is parked (and usually with the transmission in park (or neutral) and/or the emergency brake set.)
  • macmurdomacmurdo Posts: 31
    Thanks for the input... actually talked about this with my salesperson this weekend; he informed me that BlueTooth will not be available until 2007!! Some glitch I guess. He also said there won't be any major updates since the 0.5 model is already significantly different. So no advance key yet!

    On a $$ note... has it been anyone's experience that Audi will negotiate price to say, an offer of 3% over their invoice?? I've been successful with that strategy at Lexus. Also, I was quoted a very high monthly on a "balloon" loan alternative to lease on a loaded 3.2... total sticker ~43K.... Supposedly the lease was more expensive, although they didn't actually show me the numbers....

    I'm thinking about going to the 2.0T to get the options without the price... does anyone have any thoughts about these ??
  • aec11aec11 Posts: 13
    A bit surprised about Blue Tooth since Marc Trahan (Audi of North America) said less than two weeks ago that it would be available beginning with June production. I hope your salesperson was misinformed, as I was hoping to order an 06 A4 with Blue Tooth. My understanding is that the A8 and A6 already have Blue Tooth, so shouldn't be a huge deal to put it in the A4.

    On pricing, I've found that the dealers won't quote a percent, but they will quote a dollar amount - I got $1,750 over invoice two years ago on an 04 A4, and I've been promised the same on an 06 A4.

    I thought about the 2.0T as well, but I'd rather have the bigger engine.
  • joxer1joxer1 Posts: 27
    I'm also a little worried - not about bluetooth as I don't talk and drive anyway, but for the iPod integration stuff. If this is true I migt as well start looking now as it would be easier to sell my current car in the spring than wait for late summer/fall.

    Engine wise, I'm even a little torn, although I'd have to wait for manual (will that story change in a flash as well - waiting on a dream?). My quick drive of the 2.0T manual showed a car that was faster than my current 6 cylinder, and sportier in nature, but it didn't exude luxury and was a little harder to drive at very low rpm as I would in traffic or whatever. A 6 can be nice from 600rpm. On the other hand I think the 2.0T will return better mileage and is plenty quick enough, and it does have that nice sporty sound/feel.
  • rjorge3rjorge3 Posts: 144
    Hi gang, do you have any ideas (I forgot to ask Marc Trahan) if Audi would ever offer an European Delivery option like BMW, Volvo. Any rumors?

    I would love to pick up my next baby when my lease expires in Germany.

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