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Just hoping the new models coming out in the next few years have much better seats. Still do not see me driving much more than what I'm doing now...used only 3 gallons since I've been home.
The Sandman :sick: :shades:
2023 Hyundai Kona Limited AWD (wife) / 2025 VW GTI (me) / 2019 Chevrolet Cruze Premier RS (daughter #1) / 2020 Hyundai Accent SE (daughter #2) / 2023 Subaru Impreza Base (son)
Even if you need 2 cars instaed of 1!
Of course, the hard part will be figuring out how to pay for it all. That is my problem. I know what I want to do, but the banker ain't allowing it!
ANd if you don't need a supersized SUV, then the XC90 is a nice choice. Same great seats, 3rd row seats, and very good on bad roads. and it has that SUV style.
otherwise, it sounds like you really just need to find a clean tahoe (prior generation, ride?) for the seats/size/ride that you need.
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
I know we have discussed Volvo seats before. the S40 seats are not, to me, "real" Volvo seats. the S60 and above have the traditional thrones.
And if you want incredible seats, find a 1970ish 140 series Volvo. Heaven.
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
So for now, the Civic stays...yay!
The Sandman :sick: :shades:
2023 Hyundai Kona Limited AWD (wife) / 2025 VW GTI (me) / 2019 Chevrolet Cruze Premier RS (daughter #1) / 2020 Hyundai Accent SE (daughter #2) / 2023 Subaru Impreza Base (son)
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S
Think of how much gas you could save with a Chevy Volt! :P
25 NX 450h+ / 24 Sienna Plat AWD / 23 Civic Type-R / 21 Boxster GTS 4.0
I had a 69. Ain't it the truth! I got spoiled and haven't really loved the seats in anything else since.
Thanks for the suggestion. I am leasing it. If I was buying it, I absolutely would be looking into different suspension options. Its a shame, because the car is great for me in every other way.
2025 Ram 1500 Laramie 4x4 / 2023 Mercedes EQE 350 4Matic / 2022 Icon I6L Golf Cart
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S
I thought about an XC90, but scratched it off the list for a few reasons, finding one used in my price range is nearly impossible (I can spend not a penny over $26k and even that is really more then I want to go). Other reasons I nixed it, reliability is very poor, repair costs are just stupid, and the I6 is underpowered, don't really want a V8 either.
I did find the X5 around 2006 is in my range, but the seats are horrible, made me sad, I really like the X5. I'm going to check out Ford, see what there is to offer. Knowing me I'll just put some winter tires on my F-250 and suck up the cost of gas. Its a truck I really like and its comfortable.
On another note........why do neighbors have to be annoying? Have one right now that has been sitting out in his truck reving the engine for at least 30 mins....*grumble*
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
Funny thing is that I find the seats in my 01 Forester more comfortable than my BMW x3, although the BMW's rock-hard ride may have more to do with it.
I owned a 80 Volvo 240 series, and like the other have said, nothing has quite matched those chairs yet
Expy seats are terrible. I didn't bother looking at an Explorer, I've had 4 of them, that's enough. I did check out the Edge, seats weren't bad, but there was something about the car I really didn't like.
Friday I'm going to look at a 2011 CR-V, if the seats are similar to the Civic then it might work. Its a car I could see myself being happy with, good gas mileage and its a Honda. I have this draw to cars that hold their value these days, lol.
As for an Excursion.......they are cool, but another requirement is that what I buy fits in the garage! We tried to put the F-250 in, it fits, but its a disaster waiting to happen getting it through the door. Hubby says it must stay outside, lol. Car mirrors and I don't have a good track record with the garage wall, my Pilot had a nice scuff mark on the driver's side mirror from several hits. Add to that the fact I already broke the pass side mirror on the F-250 the night I bought it, lol, yeah hubby doesn't want to take any chances.
Amen to that! Hubby found out the hard way that the Civic's mirrors aren't as forgiving. He nailed the garage wall and loosened the pass side mirror on the Civic. I took the mirror off, glued the broken piece back together and very carefully reattached the mirror. Can't tell anything happened except the huge white scuff on it. Course if it got bumped again I have no doubt my "fix" would come undone.
Poor Civic, between the glued mirror and the duct taped front bumper I almost feel sorry for it.
Nice size, plenty of cargo room, and in the EXL model, actually comfortable seats. The power controls are key. I would not go anywhere near a Honda with a manually adjustable seat.
On the short list of cars for the wife, when (OK, if!) we finally replace the Odyssey. Although I much prefer something like the upcoming C-maxx from Ford.
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
Glad we're still a few years out on this decision. But a power seat will be the #1 factor in my search.
The Sandman :sick: :shades:
2023 Hyundai Kona Limited AWD (wife) / 2025 VW GTI (me) / 2019 Chevrolet Cruze Premier RS (daughter #1) / 2020 Hyundai Accent SE (daughter #2) / 2023 Subaru Impreza Base (son)
The Civic isn't bad with the manual seats, but I agree power is better. That was one thing that the Ford Edge was lacking was a power adjustment for the back of the seat, if it had that I think I could have gotten comfortable. I'll find out if the CR-V will work or not tomorrow. If not, ugh, I think I'm going to throw in the towel, there's really nothing left I don't think.
I somehow missed that the C-Max was coming to the US. I get C&D and Autoweek and must have missed this. I alway liked the Mazda5, and the C-Max looks a little bigger, and I like the back end better than the Mazda. Definately will have to check it out to replace my Malibu in a year or two. And the eco-boost looks like a nice engine(170 hp).
The Mazda5 is also due for a redesign (in the 1st quarter I believe) and sounds like it will be nice.
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
My friend, on the other hand, finds a seat bottom very flat to the floor and the back of the seat angled slightly back is more comfortable. .
Mark156
Yeah, but does it get better mileage than your motor home? Seems like the jury may be out on that!
Well, the 'selected' vehicles I have get the following...
-Motorhome... 7.5 mpg hwy (40,000 lbs)
-Bentley...9.5 city (W-12, 552 hp, AWD)
-Honda... 20 city, 28 hwy
-RR.. 5 city ? never checked (6.25 liter V8)... you can see the gas gauge move when driving.
-Land Rover... 12 city... 19 hwy
Mark156
I am like him, where I like the seatback relatively upright, but really like to have the front cushion tilted up. And I don't like to sit way down on the floor.
Actually that is what I hate about most manual seats now (honda and mazda). They went to a cheap single ratchet lever for height adjustment, and when you raise the seat, it also pitches you forward. One of the reasons I took the mazda 3 off my list in 2005 (at that point, they did not offer a power seat option).
so, gotta try out the seats, and sometimes it takes a decent amount of time (as in, not around the block) to really know how they will work for you.
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
I've been trying to figure that out and haven't been able to pinpoint it until yesterday. I stopped by the Chevy dealer to just kill some time and look at seats (I stopped shopping cars, lol). The salesguy turned out to be a friend of a friend's hubby which was pretty cool.
Anyway, he showed me the Tahoe on the showroom floor, leather seats, exactly what I would want as far as options. I sat in it and knew right away that wasn't going to work. So he showed me a cloth Tahoe, wow, huge difference, the cloth was comfortable. That's when he pointed it out, its the bulge in the seat where car makers are trying to make it more of a lumbar I guess. The cloth in the Tahoe was more straight up and down vs curved if that makes sense. So that's what it is, the less bulge the better and cloth seems a lot more comfortable to me then leather......go figure.
Now the downside to the Tahoe, NO sunroof with cloth.....what the heck Chevy?? I cannot deal with the leather, so cloth with no sunroof is a deal breaker. Salesguy mentioned an aftermarket sunroof, but I don't know, that bugs me.
CR-V and Highlander tomorrow, but I'm sure neither will work, lol. If I go new I have to order it soon or it will be nearly spring before I get the car. The used market is so upside down here that used isn't making much sense for a lot of cars.
Please someone find me a car that's got straight up and down seats, no bulge, cloth, awd, and a darn sunroof...... :sick:
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S
That, and I think once a vehicle gets to be more than 80" wide, it has to be classified as a medium duty truck!
Years ago, my grandfather nailed the support column of his carport with his '94 Taurus. Gave new meaning to the term "breakaway mirror" :sick: As I recall, when the mirror broke off, it even distorted the sheetmetal in the door a bit.
It wasn't that long ago that manual seats didn't have any sort of height adjustment. Very, very few manual seats have a "front" and "rear" adjustment (or some sort of tilt adjustment) for the bottom cushion. BMW does, but I've never seen it anywhere else.
My Altima has manual seats, and I don't mind the manual adjustment. I do mind the lack of lumbar support, but my 2002 Altima had a power seat with lumbar support, and I also remember it being uncomfortable at times.
Mazda used to have this. The protege 5 (that came before the mazda3) had individual front and rear height adjustment knobs just like on a power seat. The 3 though switched to a ratchet 1-lever dump you forward (like a recliner for old people).
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
I can see though in a real cold area how you many not like it!
But you are right, many cars to get a roof you need leather. The CRV is one of them.
Can't you go with a nice fitted seat cover?
Oh, and Honda is famous for their overdone lumbar support. The CRV though did not seem quite so bad.
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
Have seen the same sort of thing with heated seats - only in leather. You lower caste folks will just have to freeze. Swell.
For awhile Chrysler always had pretty good seat IMO. Some of the most comfortable seats I have ever been were in the mid 80s Fifth Avenues. Very plush and comfortable, although too old fashioned for today's style.
2025 Ram 1500 Laramie 4x4 / 2023 Mercedes EQE 350 4Matic / 2022 Icon I6L Golf Cart
Also, my 350Z had front and rear manual cranks. IIRC, you had to get an '04+ to get them, though. The '03 didn't have them.
Sometimes the simple ratchet works, like in my GTI, and in the '02 WRX. It all depends on the tilt, I've found. For some reason, there are many that tilt forward, like the mazdas (same in our mazda5). Makes you feel like you are sitting on the seat rather than in it.
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S
For instance, the new Sonata looks interesting to me. And you can get a moonroof in a mid-level model with cloth seats even. But, only if you want the Navi system with it, for a total package price of ~$2,700. Ah, no.
The worst of course has been getting a stick on many cars. You either had to take a full out sports version, or an absolute strippo. That was a nice thing about Honda. You could get any model Accord with a manual (well, if you could find one), as long as you were OK with a 4 cyl!
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
I think I first started seeing that style of seat in the 1974-78 era Imperial and New Yorker Brougham, and they were VERY comfortable. Not much in the way of side bolstering, but if you tried any form of "spirited" driving with those cars, you'd take out half a city block!
When the downsized R-body came out for 1979, for some odd reason if you got the base model but ordered leather, you got those nice thick seats. But if you paid extra for the top-line 5th Avenue edition, you got a different pattern that was less pimpy, with fewer tufts, but not quite as thick. Strangely though, the cloth pattern that was standard in the base model was the same style as the leather pattern for the 5th Ave.
I think enough people complained, that for either 1980 or 81, Chrysler simply switched seats, making the simpler pattern the base leather, and the thicker, pimpy pattern the 5th Ave leather. IIRC, the small K-car based New Yorkers used that style of seat as well. And now that I think back on it, my '88 LeBaron Turbo coupe, while it used a more modern style, was still a very comfortable little car.
I have an old LazyBoy recliner from around 1973 that uses that button-tufted pattern for the backrest. The chair is extremely comfortable, and even though it looks like crap now, I just can't bring myself to throw it away. I've sat in newer recliners, and most of them aren't as comfortable, and feel flimsier.
:P
I can see though in a real cold area how you many not like it!
But you are right, many cars to get a roof you need leather. The CRV is one of them.
Can't you go with a nice fitted seat cover?
Oh, and Honda is famous for their overdone lumbar support. The CRV though did not seem quite so bad.
Funny thing is I actually prefer leather, but what I'm finding is most cars with leather have overdone lumbar and it hurts. The cloth is no where near as bad. My car lives in a garage, so cold leather seats is rarely an issue. I doubt I will find a car that has leather and is still comfortable, but who knows, I might get lucky.
Have really cut back on driving since I'm home full time but I'm gonna have a major problem now. Not sure what I'll replace it with when the time comes as I know a power seat is a must have for me but not many smaller cars have a power drivers throne. This is gonna be tough. Not a happy camper here...:-(. Thus my dilemma!
The Sandman :sick: :shades:
2023 Hyundai Kona Limited AWD (wife) / 2025 VW GTI (me) / 2019 Chevrolet Cruze Premier RS (daughter #1) / 2020 Hyundai Accent SE (daughter #2) / 2023 Subaru Impreza Base (son)
not like teeter on bankruptcy level stretching, but if the need to stay cheap is more of a desire as opposed to a neccessity, spending a little more to avoid that level of pain, or to keep you mobile, certainly seems to be a good use of money.
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
The wife already has 82k on her '05 Mazda3s, so she'll be buying within the next year or so & she doesn't have the power seat requirement like I do. I only drive her car for it's maintenance...period.
The Sandman :sick: :shades:
2023 Hyundai Kona Limited AWD (wife) / 2025 VW GTI (me) / 2019 Chevrolet Cruze Premier RS (daughter #1) / 2020 Hyundai Accent SE (daughter #2) / 2023 Subaru Impreza Base (son)
The winner is:
2011 Honda Pilot EX-L
Honda has done an amazing job making the seats softer and with less lumbar. I avoided looking at the pilot until now. I drove a crv but even though the seats were nice I didn't like the car. The pilot was perfect. So mine should be here end of December. Go figure lol.
I assume a 2011 is a far bit North of $26K though?
What color Pilot ya gett'n?
Mark156
I really had no plans on buying another Pilot, but the improvements between the '07 and the '11 are really nice. The seats are so much better, if those seats had been in the 07 I'd still be driving it.
Color combo will be Polished Metal Metallic with black leather.
Certainly not what I expected to be buying, but I'm not complaining at all.
Originally I sold the 07 Pilot because of the seats and the need for a truck. Course had I found the Ford before I sold the Pilot I may have just sucked it up and used a pillow or something on the seats.
My Honda salesguy (we bought the Civic from him) just laughed and said I knew you'd be back.
Not planning any change for at least the next couple of years unless my son needs a car & takes my Civic & gives me a fair price on it. Can't afford to just gift it to him. And who knows what interest will be. Usually we pay cash or finance for a short time frame to take advantage of a lower car price. But with a 0% interest deal, I could stretch out the payments while earning something on the balance due. Decisions, decisions! Now what to focus in on?
Help!!!
The Sandman :sick: :shades:
2023 Hyundai Kona Limited AWD (wife) / 2025 VW GTI (me) / 2019 Chevrolet Cruze Premier RS (daughter #1) / 2020 Hyundai Accent SE (daughter #2) / 2023 Subaru Impreza Base (son)