Project Cars--You Get to Vote on "Hold 'em or Fold 'em"

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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,606
    I like small, dusters and sticks. But would probably pick the Buick. As always, depends on exactly what you want to do with it, and what tickles your fancy.

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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,606
    I guess on the duster you could make some tweaks. Higher gear ratio, seats, whatever relatively minor adjustments.

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  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    edited March 2017
    qbrozen said:

    I think this may be nicer than the white one. Curious where the bidding will end.
    http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1970-buick-gs-2/

    Why don't you bid on it? Apparently someone posted that they actually saw and drove it and thought highly of it.

    Yeah, I think any of these clones have to top out at about $15K--$16K

  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,606
    You sure couldn't take a rusty one and make something that nice for $15k. Even if the donor car was free!

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  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    true. Both sellers are losing money.
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,772
    Mr_Shiftright said:

    qbrozen said:

    I think this may be nicer than the white one. Curious where the bidding will end.
    http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1970-buick-gs-2/

    Why don't you bid on it? Apparently someone posted that they actually saw and drove it and thought highly of it.

    Yeah, I think any of these clones have to top out at about $15K--$16K

    these are relatively slow, right? what's it take to juice them up?

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  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    It takes money mostly :p

    Best way to go is to buy a hi-po crate engine. You can buy 400 HP for not all that much money. With the stock engine, to get anywhere you'd have to consider new heads and manifold at the very least, and a better carburetor and ignition system. And headers, and exhaust, and fuel pump. And then you have to introduce them to each other and make them shake hands.

    With a crate engine, it's all pretty much worked out for you, plus you get stronger internals, better cam, etc.

  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,772
    edited March 2017
    hmmm... bidding is at $15k now with an hour to go. Seems a bit much for a 10-yr-old resto, I think. As I said before, a #2 car is supposedly worth $13k per Hagerty. I'm doubtful this qualifies as a #2.

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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,606
    That one would sound pretty fast. If you really need to go much faster, buy something newer with real suspension, brakes and safety gear.

    I was reading Kitmans column in the latest automobile today, about what a death trap his 1970 standard-triumph, or hillman, one of those, really is. Especially with a hopped up motor. He warns passengers that if a cat jumps out of a tree and lands on the roof, odds are they all die.

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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,606
    qbrozen said:

    hmmm... bidding is at $15k now with an hour to go. Seems a bit much for a 10-yr-old resto, I think. As I said before, a #2 car is supposedly worth $13k per Hagerty. I'm doubtful this qualifies as a #2.

    What this tells me, is never try to restore a mainstream car.

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  • ab348ab348 Member Posts: 20,376
    isellhondas said:


    Nothing in that price range/category could compare to a Duster. The tough as nails slant sixes, the Torqueflights and the solid construction put them way ahead of their competition at the time. These were just good cars! Rebuild the front end once and you were good to go!

    These were 150,000 mile cars (or more) at a time when most cars were pretty tired around the 80,000 mile mark!

    Yep, they drove just as badly at 10,000 miles as they did at 110,000 miles! ;)

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  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,772
    $18k. Yikes. Plus 5% buyers fee. Guess someone should report this news to Hagerty.

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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,606
    Saw that. I guess nice quality sells.

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  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    edited March 2017
    stickguy said:

    Saw that. I guess nice quality sells.

    Yes but one sale one time. I think the buyer is a b it ahead of the market, but not by too much. I would have thought $16K--$16.5K is about right. So add 10% for "auction fever" and there you go.

    I think Hagerty is too low. Sometimes their prices are way off base. I use them more for their "trends" and timelines.

    I look at a lot of 60s cars and it's been my experience that $13K range cars are a bit needier than this one appears to be.

    Of course, there's nothing like actually looking at one to get the most accurate picture. Cameras do lie, quite well thank you very much.
  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,606
    my thoughts (I know, scary place to be), are that a few $k or so if you really want that particular one is still in normal range. Can only really saw it is out of market norm if you can go find a few more basically identical ones. Maybe he just loved that car, or decided that taking something like that white one, at a cheaper price, and getting from there to here would cost more than the extra he paid? At least from the pictures, and comments, this was a really nice car.

    now, if someone dropped $35K on it, you could argue it was nuts!

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  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    There's no one number. Price guides at their best are a "ballpark". But really for $18K he should have been able to buy a real GS 350 or for a few thousand more a base 350 Convertible.

  • explorerx4explorerx4 Member Posts: 20,845
    Example of auction fever.
    https://hartford.craigslist.org/cto/6055848189.html
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  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,772
    I like this color combo
    http://www.ebay.com/itm/172548147386?_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT

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  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,772
    Booo!!

    Due to circumstances beyond our control, we are unable to fulfill your order for the Barrett-Jackson 2017 Palm Beach catalog.

    A full refund will be issued to you within three business days.

    The entire docket of auction cars scheduled for the Palm Beach event can be viewed at this link:
    Barrett-Jackson Palm Beach 2017

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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,606
    explorerx4 said:

    Example of auction fever.
    https://hartford.craigslist.org/cto/6055848189.html

    I don't care about the price but I love the car.

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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,606
    qbrozen said:

    I like this color combo
    http://www.ebay.com/itm/172548147386?_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT

    nice looking coronet. Seems pricey, but I guess with premium that is about the same price the Buick went for.

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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,606
    edited March 2017
    qbrozen said:

    Booo!!

    Due to circumstances beyond our control, we are unable to fulfill your order for the Barrett-Jackson 2017 Palm Beach catalog.

    A full refund will be issued to you within three business days.

    The entire docket of auction cars scheduled for the Palm Beach event can be viewed at this link:
    Barrett-Jackson Palm Beach 2017

    ran out of books? Good news, there are plenty of other auctions out there. Can go to this one, and if you buy something, can just drive it home!

    Apr 19-23 PA, Carlisle. Spring Carlisle. Carlisle, PA. Wed.-Sat. 7am-6pm, Sun. 7am-3pm. Admission: Daily Wed.- Sat. $10 / Sun $7 / Event Pass $30. http://www.carlisleevents.com/carlisle-events/default.aspx

    Even have another GS tribute:

    http://www.carlisleauctions.com/view-consignment-detail.aspx?ConsignmentID=5451

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  • berriberri Member Posts: 10,165
    63/64 - I liked the Ford looks than the Chevy's those years
  • gsemikegsemike Member Posts: 2,425
    stickguy said:

    qbrozen said:

    Booo!!

    Due to circumstances beyond our control, we are unable to fulfill your order for the Barrett-Jackson 2017 Palm Beach catalog.

    A full refund will be issued to you within three business days.

    The entire docket of auction cars scheduled for the Palm Beach event can be viewed at this link:
    Barrett-Jackson Palm Beach 2017

    ran out of books? Good news, there are plenty of other auctions out there. Can go to this one, and if you buy something, can just drive it home!

    Apr 19-23 PA, Carlisle. Spring Carlisle. Carlisle, PA. Wed.-Sat. 7am-6pm, Sun. 7am-3pm. Admission: Daily Wed.- Sat. $10 / Sun $7 / Event Pass $30. http://www.carlisleevents.com/carlisle-events/default.aspx

    Even have another GS tribute:

    http://www.carlisleauctions.com/view-consignment-detail.aspx?ConsignmentID=5451

    So much wrong with that GS tribute
  • ab348ab348 Member Posts: 20,376
    gsemike said:

    stickguy said:

    qbrozen said:

    Booo!!

    Due to circumstances beyond our control, we are unable to fulfill your order for the Barrett-Jackson 2017 Palm Beach catalog.

    A full refund will be issued to you within three business days.

    The entire docket of auction cars scheduled for the Palm Beach event can be viewed at this link:
    Barrett-Jackson Palm Beach 2017

    ran out of books? Good news, there are plenty of other auctions out there. Can go to this one, and if you buy something, can just drive it home!

    Apr 19-23 PA, Carlisle. Spring Carlisle. Carlisle, PA. Wed.-Sat. 7am-6pm, Sun. 7am-3pm. Admission: Daily Wed.- Sat. $10 / Sun $7 / Event Pass $30. http://www.carlisleevents.com/carlisle-events/default.aspx

    Even have another GS tribute:

    http://www.carlisleauctions.com/view-consignment-detail.aspx?ConsignmentID=5451

    So much wrong with that GS tribute
    Somebody should have taken away his Summit catalogs... too late now.

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  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,772
    I don't so much mind the pearl effect inside the black stripes, but the red down the center of the hood and that awfulness under the hood put it over the top.

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  • texasestexases Member Posts: 11,143
    More of a GS 'parody' than a 'tribute'...
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,772
    mecum received my check yesterday, confirmed my bidders status, and assigned me an agent.

    I just sent an email to the agent asking her to remove the '66 Mustang Fastback and the white Skylark from my list. I am only bidding now on the '65 Lemans and the Duster. I raised my cap to $17,500 on the former and $16,500 on the latter. I'd imagine both will go for more, but I'm just not all that comfortable without seeing them in person. The Duster appears to be immaculate, but, as shifty said, pics are typically generous. The Lemans is such a crapshoot in my mind because, while it appears very nice, it is largely unoriginal as far as I can tell (wish they'd post VIN numbers!).

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  • berriberri Member Posts: 10,165
    Good luck however it turns out!
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,772
    thank you

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  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    qbrozen said:

    mecum received my check yesterday, confirmed my bidders status, and assigned me an agent.

    I just sent an email to the agent asking her to remove the '66 Mustang Fastback and the white Skylark from my list. I am only bidding now on the '65 Lemans and the Duster. I raised my cap to $17,500 on the former and $16,500 on the latter. I'd imagine both will go for more, but I'm just not all that comfortable without seeing them in person. The Duster appears to be immaculate, but, as shifty said, pics are typically generous. The Lemans is such a crapshoot in my mind because, while it appears very nice, it is largely unoriginal as far as I can tell (wish they'd post VIN numbers!).

    You could ask for a VIN #.

    That dreadful GS clone has a masterful understatement attached to the ad---"a bit personalized".
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,772
    I don't know how to ask. There is no button to ask questions. I suppose I could ask the agent assigned to me now.

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  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    Yeah, you could call your agent or customer service. This is Mecum, right? (262) 275-5050

  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,772
    ah, the Pontiac VIN is largely useless. 237275Z127916. All I can get from it is that its a Tempest Lemans 2-door post built in Freemont.

    The Duster, on the other hand, is an original 340 4-bbl

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  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    Well at least you know it was a California car.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,557
    This could be a fair deal - did these have an Olds 350? I like how it has "road wheels" and no vinyl top.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,557
    This could be a fair deal if the missing trim has an explanation - did these have an Olds 350? I like how it has "road wheels" and no vinyl top.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    OHHHH...that's the DIESEL engine! Yep, mid-year option for the '79 Cadillac. And you thought it was cheap...now it seems expensive....

  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,557
    The description says fuel: gas. If a diesel, then beware, indeed. I also notice there's no additional info under the "Eldorado" side script.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    edited March 2017
    Well since they offered the 350 Olds diesel as an option, and the only other engine is the 7.0L 425 cid, I expect it's the notorious diesel all right. But you are correct, it should have a little teensy "diesel" label under the Cadillac script on the fender and on the trunk lid. Best way to know would be if he had an engine shot---it says "DIESEL" in big letters on the air filter housing.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,557
    I have a suspicion it is an engine actually out of an Olds. I just liked it for the lack of frilly options, I think those are handsome cars if properly equipped.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    Why would you think that when the diesel is the correct option for that year?
  • berriberri Member Posts: 10,165
    I like that Eldo looks too, but actually prefer the Riviera of the same gen. Some like the Toronado while others don't at all. To me, all three are nice looking though. But skip the diesel !
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,557
    Seller says gas, badge doesn't have a diesel. Are any 79 Eldo diesels even running in 2017? B)
  • texasestexases Member Posts: 11,143
    If one started with the Olds diesel, would swapping in an Olds gasser be fairly straightforward?
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    I once considered swapping the '95 Neon's 3-speed auto with the 5-speed manual they made for those cars at the time. My older brother told me to nix that idea.
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  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    texases said:

    If one started with the Olds diesel, would swapping in an Olds gasser be fairly straightforward?

    Oh that's a thought...but no, not exactly straighforward. You'd have to fit a gasoline tank, and fuel pump and lines and computer and harness, etc. etc. It might also be illegal.

  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,772
    edited March 2017
    Well, the Pontiac came and went today. I was at 17,500 and it sold for 20,000. Came through about 5 mins after they went off the air at 3:30 today. It was no reserve, so they spent absolutely NO time on it. I watched it on delay on the computer and it seriously lasted MAYBE 30 secs. No other car went that quick while they were on tv. It got 3 bids: $15k, $17.5k, and $20k. Not that it matters since I wasn't willing to go higher just based on a few low-res pics.

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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,606
    When does the duster run? Is this on velocity?

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  • texasestexases Member Posts: 11,143
    "It was no reserve, so they spent absolutely NO time on it."

    I get a laugh when they declare "The reserve's off! Now folks can bid it up, knowing they'll get the car!"

    Then no more bids, typically...
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