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  • 62vetteefp62vetteefp Member Posts: 6,043
    I think the issue will be that the 4 cost $2000 more than the base V6. We will wait to see if our "green" nation customers will buy a hybrid that looks just like a V6 standard car. I really doubt it. Did not work for Honda. However the Aura is a bunch more affordable than the failed Honda hybrid. (22k vs 31K) They both get the same mileage. One thing that is real different is that the Honda was a root snorten V6 so that probably turned off the greenies even if it did get great mileage.

    Facts show that those buying the Prius are very will off ($100K household income average/very educated) and are the "hippies" of today. They want to feel like they are making a difference and want everyone else to know it.
  • saturn_commsaturn_comm Member Posts: 27
    Essentially there are two 4-cylinder powertrains. You may not yet be aware that the standard powertrain for 2008 is a 2.4L/4-speed automatic.

    There is also the hybridized version of this powertrain that I believe you're referencing.
  • 14871487 Member Posts: 2,407
    they are indeed talking about the new 4 cylinder Aura for 2008. I assume base price will be about $20k which will make the Aura more attractive. In reality you are only gaining about 2mpg vs the 3.5L engine but I guess this will make people feel better since a lot of people on Edmunds forums have been complaining about lack of 4 cylinder. My guess is the 6 speed will come later in the model year.
  • 62vetteefp62vetteefp Member Posts: 6,043
    Where has the 4 cylinder non hybrid Aura been announced?
  • 14871487 Member Posts: 2,407
    go to GM's media site and look under 2008 info. In fact, saturn_comm posted a link a few posts back. It's true as of yesterday.
  • Karen_SKaren_S Member Posts: 5,092
    A reporter is hoping to talk with consumers who have participated in Saturn’s “Side-by-Side-by-Side” test drive program.

    Please respond to jfallon@edmunds.com before 4pm Eastern on Friday, August 3 with your daytime contact information and a few words about your experience.
  • 14871487 Member Posts: 2,407
    I test drove the XR model yesterday. The ride quality and quietness were impressive. Not 100% satisfied with the interior but the functionality was fine. Everything is placed where it should be and the car appears to have ample storage space. The car is heavy and it definitely feels heavy in a good way.
  • drwilscdrwilsc Member Posts: 140
    I bought a new 2007 Aura XR yesterday. Great car. They gave me $1500 rebate AND $1000 'Conquest cash', since I was trading in a non-GM car. Total of $2500 off, making this a great deal in my opinion. This car has leather, sunroof, XM, etc. for < $25,000. No need to wait for the 2008 Accord and pay nearly $30,000 for a comparibly equipped car.
  • phaetondriverphaetondriver Member Posts: 175
    You got a great deal and you are going to love this car.
    I have just clocked 12000 miles on my XR and the gas mileage is starting to look good. I got over 29.5 MPG on a 350 leg of a 2300 mile trip a few weeks ago, so don't be to disappointed when the mileage you get at first isn't what you have read, it get's better after break in.
    Enjoy :shades:
  • vanman1vanman1 Member Posts: 1,397
    I have seen pictures of the new Accord, what a disappointment!

    I was expecting something like the Civic, it's really quite ugly. Saturn Aura is so slick by comparison.
  • noles200noles200 Member Posts: 49
    Looks like I'm into an Aura XR with an MSRP of $25,719 and a sell price of $22,100 with discounts, etc. Excited about the trade price of $13,100 for an Accord EX-L too as it really cuts down on taxes (KBB had it at $12.4 in good condition - which it is). I think it's a good deal.

    I looked at the order guides for both the new 2008 Malibu and 2007 Aura and not much differnce. The 'Bu LTZ has leather and a couple more bells and whistles that I didn't feel I needed (and will probably be priced like an Aura XR loaded at about $27 to 28K). The 'Bu 2LT didn't have 18" rims and some other extras that the Aura XR has so I'm diving in. This will be my first GM car (always been a Toyota, Honda, Mazda family) so I hope it goes well.
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,674
    > of the new Accord, what a disappointment!

    Accord V6 only has 5 speed automatic.

    2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,

  • 14871487 Member Posts: 2,407
    that is a nice deal. Since I dont own a non GM car I'm not eligible for the extra conquest cash, but it would be nice.

    I totally agree on the Accord. Unless you want the four cylinder model there is no need to wait because you will be paying $30k with no incentives to get a comparable car. $5k is a lot of money and can buy a lot of gas.
  • 14871487 Member Posts: 2,407
    accord has nice mechanicals but all the good stuff is on the EX-L model, the other models dont have anything worthwhile. In addition, the car looks like something Chevy would've put out a few years back, its totally dull compared to Malibu and Aura. I found the media reviews to be quite generous when describing the look of the car. If the Aura looked like that the press would've been all over it.
  • toybenztoybenz Member Posts: 10
    (as of August 17). Is it possible to remove the rear head restraints? I didn't see anything about this in the owner's manual, and when I tried to remove them completely by holding the little button in, I couldn't remove the rear headrests. I would think since the seatbacks fold down, these could be removed--but maybe I am wrong! Otherwise, first impressions are that the car is very solid, with great steering and flat cornering. Feels Germanic in that respect. Also, the fit an finish is very good--I only found one piece of dash trim misaligned, which hopefully will be easy to fix. I appreciate the illuminated door switches, trip computer, and gas struts for the hood. I wished I'd gotten factory XM and 6-disc, both of which apparently are expensive/impossible to add now. I have the XE, Berry Red w/grey leather. A great-looking car, IMHO.
  • mtoogsmtoogs Member Posts: 1
    We were Honda owners for years until we bought an XR 6 months ago, and its turning out to be the best car buying decision we have ever made. Fantastic car.
  • noles200noles200 Member Posts: 49
    Hey, that's good to hear! :) Appreciate the feedback.

    On a side note, does anyone have the rubberized center armrest for the XR? It shows scuff marks very easily. Dealer said they'd replace it but I think I'm going to have to get it replaced over and over again. The car has less than 150 miles on it but lots of scuffs on the center armrest. Thanks for all the comments guys. They really pushed me to this car, even though I was holding out for the Malibu (just announced pricing of $26,995 on the LTZ which is in line for a top of the line XR at $27,319).
  • 14871487 Member Posts: 2,407
    just got a techno gray XR model. I noticed the same thing about the armrest, it seems to show scuffs easily. Have no idea why they didnt use a softer material there. Also noticed the window map pockets are too small and shallow to hold anything substantial. The trunk opening issue is known to everyone here I'm sure. Those are the main complaints I have. Quietness and ride are top notch, as is the sound system.

    I mainly got it over Malibu due to it being more uncommon. The Malibu is likely to be a huge seller but I like it nearly as much, if not slightly more than Aura.
  • noles200noles200 Member Posts: 49
    1487 wrote: I mainly got it over Malibu due to it being more uncommon. The Malibu is likely to be a huge seller but I like it nearly as much, if not slightly more than Aura.

    Boy, we sound like the same person. I couldn't agree more. I too like the Malibu look slightly more than the Aura but I don't think they'll deal on the Malibu initially, especially not giving a $2,500 incentive right off the bat. Maybe a year from now but I wanted a new car now, not next year. :shades:

    As for your other comments. I never really used the map pockets in my other car so it doesn't bother me too much. Trunk opening doesn't bother me either. Ride is the best and the kids love the back seat radio controls and headsets. :)
  • bob919344bob919344 Member Posts: 29
    I have my 2007 Aura XR for 4 months now and LOVE it !!!

    arm rest does scuff easily....try putting some
    armour all interior low shime on it OR pledge ..might
    help....

    Whats the problem people are having with the Trunk Opening???? I have not had any problem so far !! Just wondering ???

    also..........car needs rear AC Vents BAD when Hot

    also could use nicer interior door panels , other than that i love the car and highway drives like a charm

    so far GREAT car !!!

    gas mileage around town NOT too good, highway GREAT
  • 14871487 Member Posts: 2,407
    I dont think the MAlibu will have any real incentives in 2007 so you would have to be willing to wait. I am curious as to whether or not they addressed some of the minor interior issues with the aura in the Malibu. Based on the pics it appears the Malibu has a better armrest material. Dont know about the door panels though.

    The trunk opening size isnt the issue, its the fact that it opens about 1" when you hit the button. C&D noted this in their comparison test and GM shuld have fixed it. My parents car has gas struts and it still opens at least 3" or so when you pop open the trunk.

    I think its a good thing that GM has more than one nice sedan out, its nice to know people actually have trouble deciding which one to get. I suspect Malibu LTZ will be rare but most people will think all Malibus are the same and thus you will have a fairly common car.
  • drwilscdrwilsc Member Posts: 140
    I have had my new Aura XR for a few days now. I absolutely love this car. The styling, handling, and acceleration are all above average for what you would expect in this price range. Also, dealing with friendly Saturn dealer is a definite plus.
  • 14871487 Member Posts: 2,407
    keep your eye on the long term blog updates on inside line for the XR model they have. There havent been too many compliments on the car so far. They dont feel it stacks up well to the much loved long term camry so far and they have had an issue with the steering rack shroud popping off for no apparent reason.
  • noles200noles200 Member Posts: 49
    Edmunds are Toyota lovers, the same way Car and Driver are Honda lovers. You're not going to change that overnight. I don't put too much stock into any long term road tests....except my own of course. :D

    I'm going in with an open mind after being a long time Toyota and Honda lover myself, unlike Edmunds. I think the Aura went into this with 2 strikes against it already. 1 for being a GM car and the other for being a Saturn.
  • 14871487 Member Posts: 2,407
    "I'm going in with an open mind after being a long time Toyota and Honda lover myself, unlike Edmunds. I think the Aura went into this with 2 strikes against it already. 1 for being a GM car and the other for being a Saturn."

    very true. Its good to note that people who have been driving imports are buying this car. I dont know how rare it is where you live but I typically see 3-4 Auras a week although most are XE models.

    What color do you have?
  • noles200noles200 Member Posts: 49
    1487 wrote: very true. Its good to note that people who have been driving imports are buying this car. I dont know how rare it is where you live but I typically see 3-4 Auras a week although most are XE models.

    What color do you have?

    I'm in NJ and there are quite a few Saturn dealers around but suprisingly I only see about 1 or 2 per day (unlike Camry, Accord and Altima which is probably 20 to 25 of each just on a 10 minute drive to work in the morning). Probably split 60/40 between XE and XR here.

    I have a berry red Aura. Sweet car and sweet color, in my opinion. I wrestled with berry red (closer to a maroon color I think) and midnight blue. How about you?

    BTW, I plugged in my NAV (Garmin) and noticed it does not power off when the car goes off. Why is there constant power to the outlet? Is there anyway to change that?
  • 14871487 Member Posts: 2,407
    I would say one or two per day is a lot considering the sales rate of this car, its actually pretty rare. There are some people on carspace who claim they have barely seen any on the road. No one in my neighborhood has one, but I do see them on a regular basis. Just saw a silver XE last night.

    I have techno gray even though I really wanted ocean mist. The XR model I test drove was Berry Red.
  • 62vetteefp62vetteefp Member Posts: 6,043
    its the fact that it opens about 1" when you hit the button. C&D noted this in their comparison test and GM shuld have fixed it. My parents car has gas struts and it still opens at least 3" or so when you pop open the trunk.

    Be glad it opens 1". GM put out a bunch of vehicles with the gas struts (this is comes when you get the 4 bar hinges which are better than the big tube hinges that take up the trunk space) with very little pop up and you could not get your fingers in to open. What is wrong with 1" vs. 3"?
  • 14871487 Member Posts: 2,407
    Its just that you really have to get your fingers under the lid to get it open, its more hassle vs the trunk on my other car which opened 8" or more when popped. Its not a major deal at all.
  • gncrrrgncrrr Member Posts: 7
    OK I've tested the Accord SE(4 cyl(loved everything accept the old styling and the new 08 looks like the old L300 from the side no moon roof cloth interior) Tested a Camry SE 4cyl(handling, road quietness, interior quality and styling excellent. decent options moon roof alloys with 17" Michelins power driver seat no leather) and the Aura XE 6cyl (handling, performance and great price for all the bells and whistles moon roof, cloth-no leather, perf package with alloy's but road noise a little loud inside at 70mph on hwy) The Accord SE priced out at 22,100.del; Camry SE 21,679del(a great deal on this model I think) and Aura XE 21,070 all are 07's and all have the various rebates on them to bring to delivered price. I love the look of the Aura and the Camry...I'm a Saturn fan as I've had 3 so far...so I'm leaning Saturn but do I give the Camry a chance even though it's 4cyl vs. 6 on the Aura? What do YOU think...What should I get?? Thanks in advance for you're opinions.
  • saturn_commsaturn_comm Member Posts: 27
    You might want to also consider an '08 Aura with the 2.4L 4-cylinder.
  • 14871487 Member Posts: 2,407
    anyone know details of a TSB for the trunk issue? Someone mentioned that cars made before 2/07 can be modified so the trunk opens more when released.
  • 62vetteefp62vetteefp Member Posts: 6,043
    Do not know about the TSB but what they are probably doing is replacing the popup with a stronger one.
  • 14871487 Member Posts: 2,407
    do you know why the epsilon cars lack rear armrests and navigation? You seem to have a lot of inside info so I figured I would ask. Also, why does GM put 6 way seats on the W cars but 8 way seats on Aura/Malibu. Is there some type of logical explanation?
  • toybenztoybenz Member Posts: 10
    Before buying the '07 Aura XE, I drove the Accord EX-L 4 cylinder and Camry SE 4 cylinder. These were priced roughly the same as my Aura. For the Accord, I liked the exterior styling well enough (actually more than the '08). I didn't like the center dash display, lack of gas struts on the hood, or the bare metal inner trunk lid. I don't think you can beat Honda's 4-cylinder engines, and the auto trans shifted very smoothly. Accord handling was as good as expected (this car came with Michelin tires, which are my personal favorite). I know a bit about Accords, having owned an '88, '93, and '98. Perhaps because the other mid-sizers are catching up, but the Accord didn't seem to have the edge in solidity and refinement that it used to. So, I crossed it off the list.

    For the Camry SE, I liked the exterior (except the huge Toyota badge junking up the front grille). I also liked the interior, especially the center console. What kept me from buying the Camry in large part was the transmission--reported troubles of shift "flare" in Edmunds (I experienced this personally in my own Highlander). Also, I wanted an SE without the roof, but with at least a few other options. This is next to impossible to find.

    Now to the Aura. I love the exterior design, and the interior as well. The car is VERY solid, and it handles and brakes well. The few passengers I've taken in it are all surprised that it is an American car. I would make the Aura's windows maybe an inch taller for better vision (although all cars seem to be getting less glass area). I also would add a rear armrest and grab handles over the doors. The Aura is my first American vehicle in 20 years, so I am hopeful that my experience with it over the long haul is good. If not, I will again buy Japanese the next time around. My final thought is that the Aura is light-years ahead of most of the General's previous mid-size sedan efforts. The fact that I, a confirmed import buyer, looked at it in the first place says a lot about the car itself.
  • 62vetteefp62vetteefp Member Posts: 6,043
    Epsilon probably does not have rear armrests for cost reasons.

    No navigation because it is so expensive and they doubt many will buy. Go check out a Toyota store and see how many Camrys have the dash system. Two years ago you never saw them. A dealer said they do not stock because no one wanted it because of the price. Now that may have changed but from what I see the price has not come down much and few want to spend $1500 for nav on a $25k car. I will say though that we have an Acadia and the Nav is wonderful. Of course $1500 on a $45k vehicle is a bit different than on a $25k vehicle. I would bet though that nav will show up on the Eps II vehicles.

    The newer Impala does have power recline. The issue is that it is very expensive to tool up new features in a vehicle that is carryover. You basically have to reengineer/retool parts for a short period of time (~ 2years) In other words GM would rather spend money on the all new vehicle than to reengineer/tool systems in carryover. They have to balance the cost / investment. I would rather have them spend the money on the new vehicle than go back and try and update all the areas that are now out of date on a vehicle that will be replaced in 2 years.
  • 14871487 Member Posts: 2,407
    "The Aura is my first American vehicle in 20 years, so I am hopeful that my experience with it over the long haul is good. If not, I will again buy Japanese the next time around. My final thought is that the Aura is light-years ahead of most of the General's previous mid-size sedan efforts. The fact that I, a confirmed import buyer, looked at it in the first place says a lot about the car itself. "

    I'm glad you have it a try and hopefully you will have a positive experience. Believe it or not the Aura is hardly the first on only solid midsize american car. In spite of the fact that it didnt get stellar reviews (mostly due to electric steering) the G6 is just as solid in terms of handling as the Aura. Even the current Malibu was a solid car that was hampered by boxy styling and a reputation as a rental. The Aura is actually more of a mild evolution of the Malibu and G6 with more European themed styling. The hardware underneath and the solidity of the platform is largely the same.
  • dms1945dms1945 Member Posts: 1
    I own a Saturn VUE and will need to dump this 2003 model, am also looking into the Aura and Camry. Have been in touch w/legal firm due to Class Action suit against Saturn for the VTI trans on the 2003. Anyway, he has complaints logging up on his desk on Toyota Camry and Avalon. They are having the same problem w/trans, their Rheostat trans. Do some research on Carbuying.com and read comments from Camry owners! Not the same car as was built in the 80's & 90's.
  • vanman1vanman1 Member Posts: 1,397
    I agree with those choosing the Aura, the Malibu will be a very common car. Aura will always be more exclusive, even when the XE-4s come for 2008. It will also likely translate into better re-sale also.
  • 14871487 Member Posts: 2,407
    Aura had is best sales month in August with 6700 units sold. Maybe the car is slowly catching on. I think the 4 will help sales quite a bit.
  • barleywinebarleywine Member Posts: 1
    Sounds like you have some experience with the incentive from Saturn...what is the premise of the incentive...?
  • noles200noles200 Member Posts: 49
    I don't really have experience with the incentive. I only know what I've read and what I've been told. There are two incentives. 1 is the $1,500 rebate on the '07's. The other is the $1,000 "conquest" rebate that is given if you are trading in a non gm brand (don't know if it's specific to Honda and Camry). First dealer I went to was kind enough to "forget" about the conquest rebate. They suddenly remembered it when I brought it up.

    On my vehicle I received the GM family discount and the rebates, which is why it was such a sweet deal. Also, remember that Saturn does not negotiate off of MSRP but there is always room to negotiate. See if they'll throw in other things you might want, see if they'll give you more for your trade, etc. It is crazy to pay MSRP for a car, which is probably why that extra $1,000 is out there as the "conquest" rebate. That $1K brings the price of the car closer to invoice price and the $1.5K brings it below invoice.

    Hope that helps. I'm sure there are others who could probably add if I've left anything out.
  • 14871487 Member Posts: 2,407
    The XE has better incentives than XR as far as I know. The conquest rebate would apply to anyone trading a non-Gm car.
  • joey2brixjoey2brix Member Posts: 463
    you only have to own a foreign car, not trade it in.
  • drwilscdrwilsc Member Posts: 140
    That's correct. The way my dealer explained it is I only had to show my registration to get the conquest rebate, not trade it in. I had a Chrysler and got the rebate, so it is not specific to foreign cars like Honda or Toyota, just any non-GM car. The $1000 conquest cash PLUS the $1500 rebate on my 2007 XR made this a sweet deal.
  • 14871487 Member Posts: 2,407
    If I could've gotten that extra $1000 I would have purchased instead of leased. $2500 off is very attractive indeed.
  • nosirrahgnosirrahg Member Posts: 872
    Can anyone point me to a web link with details on the conquest rebate? My boss is in the process of buying an XR and he was unaware of the conquest rebate (and is getting out of a non-GM product), so he might qualify for something. The only info I can find online references a conquest rebate on the 2007 XE models, but I can't find anything about the XR.
  • 14871487 Member Posts: 2,407
    I thought it was only on the XE for now.
  • nosirrahgnosirrahg Member Posts: 872
    That's what I thought too, but post #1404 mentions getting $1,000 conquest money on an XR; just wondering if there were any details about that around or if maybe that was a typo.
  • 14871487 Member Posts: 2,407
    even the ads here on Edmunds say its for XE only. I think that is the case, maybe it was a mistake.

    My 2nd keyfob doesnt work- apparently its not programmed. Pretty annoying.
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