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Saturn Aura

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  • driverdmdriverdm Member Posts: 505
    The article I read today sited that the increases in gas have not altered consumer automotive buying behavior yet and that consumers are used to gas prices fluctuating. In a couple months when gas hasn't come back down, then we'll see a shift.

    In the car market, your heavy hitter sells the tickets for peopel to see your lighter weights. Winning car comparos and positive reveiws are key. 221 hp is actually a good amount of horsepower but it has been the reason that the Fusion and Zephyr have steadily been hit hard in reviews. Those top line models that people aspire to is what brings them in for the more particle lower models.
  • driverdmdriverdm Member Posts: 505
    On my carpace album I have a very good picture of the Aura's interior from the NY Autoshow.

    The outside of the car wasn't as radical as in the concept and didn't look as enticing. I'd say styling wise it falls mid market.

    The interior is a whole different story. The interior is just as nice as the concepts. The only thing that stock out to me as something that was let out was a manushift tranny. THis is standard on all V6 G6s and is becoming a standard in the industry. Even the new Camry (which will be competition) has a manushift in there.
  • 14871487 Member Posts: 2,407
    You are mistaken, the Aura does have a manumatic but the controls are on the steering wheel like they are on many luxury cars. Actually, the Grand Prix also has them on the steering wheel in the GXP model. If you read the Aura specs carefully you will see it offers this feature.
  • e2helpere2helper Member Posts: 1,002
    Saturn is calling it TAPshift manual shift control in the AURA order guide. Option code KB7

    It is standard on the XR model (with 3.6L DOHC V6 and 6 speed auto) and not available on the XE model (with 3.5L VVT V6 and 4 speed auto)
  • driverdmdriverdm Member Posts: 505
    Awwwwww I stand corrected then. That's good. THe Lincoln Zephyr or MKZ or whatever they change it to next does not have it. I'm glad GM is coming hard at the competition. Though I really prefer the manual shift mode to be down with the shifter, I could live with this.
  • chrisl0chrisl0 Member Posts: 114
    In the past few weeks I just saw photos of the Aura and I was shocked when I saw it. The car is absolutely beautiful I am shocked after all the years of making bland cars that Saturn would finally make such good looking cars (Mainly the Aura and Outlook). Now I am what you would consider a young buyer (20) and I am moving to a new area in another year with my family and will soon be looking for a new car.

    This car is great the way it is for the most part and hope like most people say that GM doesn't "Dumb it up". The car to me needs to add two more features for me to definitely buy. First it needs AWD as an option; I hear rumors that they are coming out with a Red Line version with a 300 HP engine AWD on that would be great. Secondly the car needs a navigation system (Preferably voice activated like the Accord). Again I know many people are going to whine that it’s a toy and are not important but look at power windows, locks, steering, and all other features that came out when they were first released many people labeled them as toys but look at them now they are standard on most cars of any trim. Also not to mention for someone like me it is very important. I am moving to a new area and we don't know anything about the area and I do allot of driving so this is a necessary feature for me.

    If they want to attract the younger buyer like me they need to add more features like this. I would get the external version but it lacks features not to mention it clutters the dash. Other than that the car is good. I just hope it is as nimble as my 94' Accord and doesn't have this numb steering that plagues some GM cars. Up until recently I wouldn't consider American cars except maybe Cadillac's but the price keeps me away. The reason is to me they lacked in areas. For example many have these ugly fixed antenna's, I just hate them and refuse to get a car with one. What ever happened to power antennas? My Accord has one that worked well for the past 12 years. Or why not just install window grid antennas?

    Another thing that I find to be an important security/ convenience feature that many American cars lack is the mechanical fuel door. I really enjoy that feature for its convenience and security feature since it lowers the likelihood that someone will siphon your gas or rip off your fuel cap. Many American cars (Mainly FWD cars) get criticize for not being agile or having numb steering. It is important that the car I buy handles well. RWD is not an option since they are useless during the winter. Finally my biggest concern is the reliability, I don't want to car to be in the shop every five minutes. The features I like that comes mainly on GM cars is the stabilitrack and On Star those are great features. That's about it, hope they keep to the show model and add the features I want and I think the car will be great. PS if you are going to reply to my post no flaming I really didn't come here for a debate.
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  • chrisl0chrisl0 Member Posts: 114
    Great I went to a website and asked similar questions and some one got upset and went on a flaming campaign.
  • 14871487 Member Posts: 2,407
    You are a little off on some of your views of American cars. Few american cars that know of have mast antennas anymore. GM cars abandoned those a while back. Some GM SUVs have wire antennas, but not cars. MY parents have a '98 Intrigue and it has a windsheild antenna.

    Most GM cars that are on the W platform or higher have mechanical fuel filler doors. The MAlibu and G6 do not have this, but the Aura does. Personally, I dont see why this feature is important because it's kind of pointless. I dont think stealing fuel is huge issue but maybe it will become one as prices increase.

    The Malibu SS and G6 GTP have the same steering system as the Aura and both have been well received by the press in general. The hydraulic system seems to be far better than the electric system found in most Malibus/G6s. The Ford Fusion is another domestic FWD car that has great steering as far as I know.

    I would not expect to see AWD on the Aura because this platform doesn't support AWD. I would expect to see a Redline version with 280+ hp and possibly navigation at some point.

    Unless you have a lemon no modern car is going to be in the shop every five minutes. YOu seem like a guy that believes in CR and they have rated the Malibu and G6 to be at least average in reliability and I believe the G6 is recommended. That bodes well for the Aura.
  • logic1logic1 Member Posts: 2,433
    First, let me say I disagree completely about RWD. Almost all modern RWD vehicles come with traction control and work very well in all weather conditions.

    At present, no Nav system on the Aura. There is a Nav System in the higher end Vue, so you should see one in the redline Aura.

    The Saturn ION gets high marks for ride and handling, but low marks for appearance. I am optimistic the Aura, a good looking car in and out, will carry over the quality ride and handling of the Aura.

    GM vehicles recently have done quite well with reliability.

    GM Audio in mid level is about as good as it gets.

    Saturn dealers are head and shoulder above the typical Toyota and Honda dealer experience.
  • e2helpere2helper Member Posts: 1,002
    I am not sure about the fuel filler door. I think AURA is similar to Malibu/G6 in that regard.
  • savethelandsavetheland Member Posts: 671
    Is power steering on Aura from Opel Vectra? I actually liked G6 GTP power steering on the track. But I have to compare it with Fusion which currently is considered as a benchmark among family sedans.
  • ne1butune1butu Member Posts: 6
    Love the style of this car. The exterior design is especially attractive. Great baseball glove leather interior! The only drawback for me is the use of such hideous fake woodgrain that I just could not live with. Aluminum or piano black please. Otherwise, the interior appears to be fantastic. I saw this car at the New York Auto show, and it's going to draw a lot of people into Saturn showrooms.
  • chrisl0chrisl0 Member Posts: 114
    Well actually thats not true, I seen many SUV's and even a few cars with the mast antenna. I prefer a window grid since it looks better and people (Well at least here) tend to break them. I prefer the mechanical gas lid for the security. Overall I like the look and features of this car, the only thing it needs really is AWD and the nav system. You are right though on my views with cars. We haven't bought a new car in 12 years and many of theses things were not around. The first two cars we had were RWD that were made in the 70's and 80's in the winter we had to put weights in the trunk so the car would have traction. Our 94' Accord is by far the best car we have driven. The car handles great so when I get a new car it worries me that it won't handle as well. We also read CR and base what we buy on what they say. Recently I have to say we are impressed with the way American cars are going. They seem to have improved greatly in the past few years. Right now we are strongly considering the Outlook because we need a suv for our needs. We also need a AWD car, if the re-design goes well we are probably going to get the Ford Five Hundred. I hope it goes well would like to own a American car after all these years. Thanks for the info though. Do you think the Aura though would handle well in the snow and slippery conditions the way it is configured?
  • logic1logic1 Member Posts: 2,433
    Do you think the Aura though would handle well in the snow and slippery conditions the way it is configured?

    Unless you are living in backcountry Montana, the Aura with all season tires and traction control will be more than up to winter conditions.
  • mopowahmopowah Member Posts: 68
    Barring severe weather conditions front-wheel drive will perform just fine. There's usually no need for all-wheel drive and it adds weight and reduces fuel economy. But like Logic said, if you live in backcountry Montana it would make sense.
  • chrisl0chrisl0 Member Posts: 114
    No not that far away, moving into the Poconos area of Pennsylvania. I need to be able to get out at all times.
  • logic1logic1 Member Posts: 2,433
    No not that far away, moving into the Poconos area of Pennsylvania. I need to be able to get out at all times.

    Realistically then, the only time an FWD set up with decent all seasons tires would be challenged, you would not want to be on the road anyway.

    As stated above, AWD is murder on gas mileage. If I recall, the Poconos and West Jersey have pretty long driving times to most work and shopping. I would put a lot of thought into it before buying AWD.
  • chrisl0chrisl0 Member Posts: 114
    I see well its still in the air, not sure what I am going to get yet.
  • 14871487 Member Posts: 2,407
    The car is available with a faux metallic finish on the dash. You cannot get that finish with the Morocco Brown interior though. We havent seen any pics of the car with the standard metal colored trim around the center stack.

    This car does have a button for the fuel door, I remember noting that on the car at the NYAS last month.

    Also, the Vue does not have navigation. The only Saturn that will have it this year is the Outlook.
  • vanman1vanman1 Member Posts: 1,397
    Glad there is a metallic version, I wish I could see it.
  • plasticarplasticar Member Posts: 2
    As a Saturn owner, I'm disappointed in GMs direction. Not that the Aura is a dog (it looks OK), but that it has sheet-metal body panels. In fact, the entire Saturn lineup will be sheetmetal in a few year since most of there models will be replaced by German engineered Opels (which are also more expensive). A big gamble in my mind. They want to steel buyers from the import makers, but may lose much of the highly loyal customer base they have created. My main motivation for buying a Saturn was 1. Plastic body panels 2. reasonably priced 3. unequaled customer service. My two main motivations are gone. My next car may be a Honda.
  • chrisl0chrisl0 Member Posts: 114
    I don't know about that, all the Saturn's I have seen have been bland and they offered nothing special. I said to myself I would never buy a Saturn then I saw the new line up and was impressed. Right now we plan on buying a Outlook. So they might lose a few people but on the other hand they gain more many more customers. Me personally I don't care if they remove that I got door guards and after 12 years of living in a city I never got a dent on my doors. Honda's aren't bad cars either got one that is 12 years old runs well and still looks great.
  • npgmbrnpgmbr Member Posts: 248
    I agree. Before the VUE I would not have considered a Saturn because of the VERY hard plastic interiors inparticular. But now, I have my eye on either a top of the line Aura or the (yet to be named ION replacement) if GM retains the panoramic roof on the Astra.
  • 14871487 Member Posts: 2,407
    I think Saturn will gain more owners by making attractive cars with decent peformance than if they stick with their current boring plastic lineup. I don't think the Sky or the Relay have plastic body panels so this change has been underway for a while.
  • chrisl0chrisl0 Member Posts: 114
    Yea I am very happy the way Saturn is going. I really want to buy a American car again but except for Cadillac's I wasn't too impressed. I also liked the two new SUV's that Chevy and GMC are offering but with the way fuel is going I didn't want to get it. Plus I wanted something that maneuvered like a car. The Outlook falls into this catergory very well. I plan on buying it fully loaded. Also once Saturn gets the Aura redline with hopefully AWD and a nav system I will be getting that also. Good job Saturn finally cars that you can be proud of. ;)
  • vanman1vanman1 Member Posts: 1,397
    I think a lot of people would buy Saturns if they had better cars. The dealers I have been to in the past have been great so with the Sky, Aura, Outlook they should boost sales a lot in MY 2007. Add a new Astra and new VUE in 2008 and you will see an all new Saturn, one worthy of it's service reputation.
  • chrisl0chrisl0 Member Posts: 114
    I feel the same way, this should help boost sales. These are the best cars that I have seen from Saturn yet.
  • autoboy16autoboy16 Member Posts: 992
    Doesn't this car use the v6 in the vue? If so its from honda! So if you buy this, you own a honda :shades: (performance-wise)
  • logic1logic1 Member Posts: 2,433
    Doesn't this car use the v6 in the vue? If so its from honda! So if you buy this, you own a honda (performance-wise)

    As has been reported a number of times, the two V6s available in the Aura will be:

    Base: the GM 3.5 vvt ohv, which will be in the '07 Impala and Malibue, etc.; and,

    Optional: the GM 3.6 vvt ohc currently in the Cadillac CTS.

    By the way, Saturn will drop the Honda V6 from the VUE next year.
  • chrisl0chrisl0 Member Posts: 114
    So they are replacing it with this 3.6 vvt engine?
  • 14871487 Member Posts: 2,407
    powertrains for the Vue havent been announced yet, but you can probably bet on seeing GM's 3.6L engine in the 2008 Vue. It makes slightly more power and torque than the 3.5L Honda V6 used in the Vue and Pilot.

    BTW, as I said before the Aura will not be getting AWD anytime soon. The epsilon platform doesn't support AWD. The next generation of the platform will support this feature though.
  • logic1logic1 Member Posts: 2,433
    As 1487 says, nothing official.

    I would say within a 95% range of certainty the next gen VUE will have the following:

    2.4 with the light hybrid;
    3.5 ohv base V6; and
    3.6 ohc optional with the six speed auto.

    Less likely, but still possible:

    The dual phase hybrid system (probably with a V6, but maybe a 4); and,
    Diesel options.

    My feelings on the latter:

    The low sulfur diesel fuel is almost here in the US.
    The European models will have diesel.
    Diesel engines are an almost perfect choice for a light SUV, if the emissions issue is under control (which it will be with low sulfur).
  • chrisl0chrisl0 Member Posts: 114
    Diesel option sounds nice, but gas stations except on the highway that carry diesel are hard to find. Very few cars and suv's are diesel here. I wouldn't get the hybrid since it cost much more probably and if that batteries go your up a creek.
  • chrisl0chrisl0 Member Posts: 114
    Well I am hoping it comes out in the next 3 or so years. Thats around the time I will probably be looking for a new car to complement my new SUV.
  • logic1logic1 Member Posts: 2,433
    The VUE Greenline will start at $23k.

    An Aura with the full dual phase hybrid system would probably get pricey.

    An Aura with the value hybrid system that will be in the VUE would probably start around the same price as the Aura with the 3.6 litre.
  • chrisl0chrisl0 Member Posts: 114
    I am happy with the mileage it gets already, I rather have a AWD version over a hybrid version.
  • 14871487 Member Posts: 2,407
    This is one of the Aura's weaknesses if you ask me, the projected mileage is 18/27 which isn't that good for a car with a 6 speed auto. adding the hybrid is a good move on Saturn's part.

    Did anyone see the new commercial where they show the Aura? I saw it last night.
  • lzclzc Member Posts: 483
    If the EPA mileage numbers of 18/27 are accurate . . . . when is GM going to produce a competitive engine? Toyota's new V6 is rated at 22/31, with Avalon owners crowing about 29-30 real-world mpg on trips.
  • npgmbrnpgmbr Member Posts: 248
    Ya know, I honestly cannot understand how (SOME) people justify running out to buy hybrids. For instance; one of my best friends had a 99 Civic that got great mileage but he was determined to get a new Civic Hybrid because it would save him money.

    When I tried to tell him it didn't make sense to purchase a car for the sole purpose of saveing money on gas, when you already have a car thats paid for and gets good mileage was foolish he shrugged it off and said I didn't know waht I was talking about.

    Another friend did the same thing except she traded in her gas guzzling Wrangler (which she was still paying for) to get an Escape Hybrid.

    Now, the both of them are faced with the reality that they both got themselves deeper into debt to save a few bucks on gas.

    So, instead of paying 30 to 40 bucks for a fill up, their now paying less than 25 bucks for a fill up but also have loans that cost them both about 4 to 500 bucks a month. That does not make sense!

    Now, if these two clueless friends of mine would have purchased their new Hybrids out of necessity I would have been all for it, but that was not the case at all. They are now both spending far more than they did with their old cars.
  • lzclzc Member Posts: 483
    During the 70s panic over rising gas prices, beautiful full-sized Lincolns and the like could be bought cheap, as people in mass dumped large cars to save a few dollars on gas.

    It isn't just this generation of young that have trouble with simple math.

    Now, if one said that for political or environmental reasons they wanted to consume less oil and didn't care about costs, OK.
  • npgmbrnpgmbr Member Posts: 248
    I agree. But for people like my friends that don't have money to throw away, its not a logical choice. And neither of them is doing it for environmental reasons. Their motivation is to save money on gas.

    The friend that bought the Civic says he sees only a slight difference in his fuel consumption. But when I told him that he needs to train himself to drive a little slower and not race to redlights he simply ignores me because he belives it will pay off in the long run.
  • logic1logic1 Member Posts: 2,433
    Ya know, I honestly cannot understand how (SOME) people justify running out to buy hybrids. For instance; one of my best friends had a 99 Civic that got great mileage but he was determined to get a new Civic Hybrid because it would save him money.

    The value hybrid system GM is currently planning for the Aura will not add significantly to the overall cost of the vehicle.

    The value Aura greenline most likely will base somewhere just below the Aura with 3.6 litre V6.

    If GM later decides to offer an Aura with the new dual phase hybrid system, I expect the consumer will have to shell out a lot more.
  • chrisl0chrisl0 Member Posts: 114
    Hybirds are a waste of money, you are better off getting a 4 cylinder car they get great gas mileage. Diesel engine cars even get better mileage, only factor is if you live near Diesel gas stations.
  • plasticarplasticar Member Posts: 2
    A bland car form GM? Unheard of.

    The point is, you can make exciting cars with plastic body panels. Actually, plastic has potential to do more wild things than steel. steel has limits on how far in can be stretched, creased, bent and twisted. A plastic part is molded in any shape you can make a tool.

    Also, you won't be buying Saturns, they will be Opels. (and don't forget, more expensive).

    Cars are poor investments, so I go with cars that have good shelf-life and minimum investment. Plastic body panels give me that. Every car I had before my Saturn had an annoying dent in it within the first year. If you don't get one, consider yourself lucky. Also, unless you lease, you'll need to deal with rust, eventually (hear in Michigan anyway).
  • logic1logic1 Member Posts: 2,433
    Diesel engine cars even get better mileage, only factor is if you live near Diesel gas stations.

    I am a big diesel fan as well.

    GM (and most other companies with European operations) has some excellent diesel options.

    I think a combination of the low sulfur diesel fuel about to hit the US market and increasing gas price sending consumers looking for better mpgs will help the diesels. Don't be surprised to see a lot more diesels here and then the gas stations suddenly replacing their middle octane offerings with the new diesel fuel.
  • chrisl0chrisl0 Member Posts: 114
    Yea I would like to see that, I seen some VW that look nice and even offer Diesels for around 25k loaded and I would get one if they had more gas stations with the fuel. I need will need a commuter car in the next few years when I get out of college and that would be a great way for me to save some money. I was reading some reviews on those cars and people got between 45-55 mpg.
  • mopowahmopowah Member Posts: 68
    I think I remember reading that Honda is planning on having a diesel engine in the state by 07 or 08? I'm sure other mfg's are planning on having their own diesel option once low sulfur fuel is available.
  • docnukemdocnukem Member Posts: 485
    I thought this car wasn't out until summer, but I passed one on the road yesterday. I couldn't figure out what it was until I got close enough to read the model name. (I96 heading west in Grand Rapids at 6:50 AM)

    Maybe it was a dealer demo.
  • e2helpere2helper Member Posts: 1,002
    Likely too early for a dealer demo. More likely a GM employee with a early production model
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