Ford Explorer Mercury Mountaineer 2006 and newer

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  • pnewbypnewby Member Posts: 277
    You must have thjought you were in a different forum, since the ratings for the 06 are the best from NHTSA.

    (www.safercar.gov)
  • ilmorilmor Member Posts: 8
    Our 2006 Mercury Mountaineer Premier has been flawless!! We love it. Its a quiet, powerful, smooth riding and great handling SUV. No, I'm not a Ford employee...just an extremely happy customer!!
  • baggs32baggs32 Member Posts: 3,229
    Hi all,
    New Explorer owner, old Edmunds forum member here. We just leased an '06 Explorer XLT and I have a question for all of you regarding the auto unlock feature described in the manual.

    The auto lock works fine. But according to the manual, somewhere around page 105, the auto unlock feature should unlock all of the doors after the vehicle is stopped, the key is turned to ACC or Lock, and the door is opened within 10 minutes of the key turn. My doors are not unlocking. Anyone know why? The child locks are on on both rear doors and I'm wondering if that has something to do with it?

    BTW, love the truck! I don't care that the gas mileage isn't stellar. It's quiet, solid, and really nice on the inside and out. Plus it was a great value and makes our ex-Escape seem like a tin can. And we really liked the Escape.

    Now if we can only get our 2 year old to wear the headphones for the DVD system so we can listen to the radio instead of Disney movies we'd be as good as gold! :sick:
  • lateralglateralg Member Posts: 929
    Do you have the four-line message center that allows you to change various settings? If so, you can turn this feature on & off.

    If you don't have it, possibly the dealer can change the setting.

    My Mountaineer has the four-line message center. I have "auto unlock" set to on. Not sure I like it, but probably good with children. After stopping, none of the doors will open until I open driver's door.

    Excellent vehicle, isn't it?
  • baggs32baggs32 Member Posts: 3,229
    Do you have the four-line message center that allows you to change various settings? If so, you can turn this feature on & off.

    Nope, just the two line. But I can still change it via the message center, the outside door buttons, and the inside door buttons as the manual states. I've only tried the outside door button method and the first try disbled it verified with a horn chirp. I tried it again and it was enabled verified by a chirp then a honk of the horn. I have not gone out for a drive since then but according to what I've done it looks like it was enabled from the factory.

    Do you have your auto lock enabled? Do you have child locks set to ON for the back doors?

    Excellent vehicle, isn't it?

    It most certainly is! I can't believe how much better it is than the last model. We test drove an '04 back in early 2004 but ended up going with the Escape because we were more impressed with it at the time. We actually chose this '06 over a few minivans because it was just a much better ride. A bit less space and lower MPG sure, but it is just so much nicer than a van IMO.
  • frieberg44frieberg44 Member Posts: 33
    I now have 7388 miles on a 2006 Explorer, V8 with the 6 speed tranny. My average MPG for the entire time: 15.87 MPG, with about two thirds of that mileage on the highway. The best mileage so far: 17.5 MPG at a steady 65-70, and the worst: 11.6 on a tankfull mostly around town in 30-35 degree weather.
    Other likes and dislikes: I love the seats, the ride, the QUIETNESS; I HATE the inside door pull handles (moronic design..be CAREFULL ! You will be dinging OTHER people's doors as the heavy door gets out of your grasp and slams the car next to you !!), and I HATE the GLARE off of the tacky chrome rims around the speedo and tack (I finally resorted to putting strips of black electrical tape on them to reduce the windshield glare). Troubles so far (which are typical Ford quality issues): 1) defective turn signal switch (just like my 2000 Ranger !!!!), replaced under warranty; 2) faulty blower motor switch (replaced); 3) LR tire out of round (Michelin, replaced); 4) exhaust hanger bracket broke off (replaced); 5) left rear passenger door not aligned (wow...I thought this type of stuff was supposed to be OVER). They cannot seem to get it to latch properly. ???? And, 6) the driver's side running light will not last. I suspect a wiring harnesss short someplace. The "Blue Dumbell Dealer" is still trying to fix it.
    But, so far, so good. I hope a year from now I don't wish I would have bought a 4 Runner or a Pilot. Wish me luck. I have a feeling I'm gonna need it.
  • frieberg44frieberg44 Member Posts: 33
    Good luck with your 4 Runner. I think it is a superior vehicle to my 2006 Explorer. The only reason I went with the Ford: I couldn't get CLOSE to the trade in value for my used Ford truck to buy the Toyota. The bottom line: I got about 3700 more bucks for my trade in at the Blue Dumbell Dealer. It remains to be seen whether or not I made a dumb move. Thus far, my Explorer has been a joy to drive, although the fuel economy for the V-8 is DISMAL, and MUCH worse than Ford wants you to believe. Also, this vehicle will depreciate MUCH faster than a 4 Runner (which has about the best retention of value that you can find, short of the Pilot and the Murano.) GL with your Toyota.
  • baggs32baggs32 Member Posts: 3,229
    I figured out the auto unlock thing. For some reason it was not enabled from the factory, or someone at the dealer disabled it during prep, and the outside code button method did not work to enable it. Sooooo, I tried using the message center method to enable it, and sure enough it said it was off. I turned it on from within the message center and now it's working and I'm an even happier camper. :D
  • cwescapexlt4x4cwescapexlt4x4 Member Posts: 6
    9300 miles and still lovin' it (2006 Explorer Eddie Bauer v8 4x4).

    No issues (other than a creaky seat occasionally and occasional squeaky brake pedal in the cold), mileage improving and still very pleased with it.

    Only wish that that XM was available from factory.
  • baggs32baggs32 Member Posts: 3,229
    I got my first taste of the AdvanceTrac RSC system two nights ago when a deer ran out in front of us on a highway at night. It stopped, I swerved left then right, everyone is OK.

    The thing that still amazes me about the whole ordeal was how well the Explorer handled the situation. I was never even close to being out of control and almost felt like I was driving a sports car through the whole thing. Everything seemed to tighten up and the truck moved exactly where I pointed it to.
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Member Posts: 20,878
    i get a bump in gas mileage running the front tires a bit higher than recommended in my '02.
    2024 Ford F-150 STX, 2023 Ford Explorer ST, 91 Mustang GT vert
  • walkolifewalkolife Member Posts: 7
    Are you sure about your mileage? Did you be sure to "reset" the computer with that button near the odometer? I was reading around 15mpg then reset that button while driving on the highway. The reading was set and didn't move, and then I pushed the reset button and could watch the mileage vary with my rpm's. Around 65 mph I was averaging 20-21mpg.

    be sure to reset that button.
  • pjaymacpjaymac Member Posts: 8
    Hi, all.

    I have an '03 Honda CR-V with nearly 33,000 miles. It's never been to the dealership or anywhere else for a quality-control or mechanical problem; I've had one recall since I bought it new three years ago, and that took about 20 minutes to fix.

    I don't need a new car, but I'm thinking about getting one anyway. The 2006 vehicles I'm most seriously considering are an Odyssey and a CR-V. I'm single with no kids and don't need to tow, but I don't want anything smaller than the CR-V.

    I test-drove an '06 Explorer XLT a couple of weeks ago on an overnight rental and was greatly impressed by how incredibly quiet it was. It felt like driving a cloud. The Explorer is without a doubt far quieter than the Odyssey and CR-V could ever hope to be.

    The thing is, though, it's a Ford, with all the potential for the quality-control problems that nameplate carries with it. Many of my immediate family members have had various models of Fords over the years and have spent countless hours in the dealerships getting recall-work done or fixing some quality-control problem or outright defect.

    Seems as though some of the posters to this forum have had quality-control problems with the Explorer, but there seem to be several Explorer owners who are satisfied with their purchases.

    I'd be curious to hear viewpoints about customers' overall satisfaction with their Explorers.

    The only obvious things I detested about the Explorer XLT I drove were the interior front-door handles and door-pull handles. That something so quickly apparent relating to the ergonomic driving experience could have eluded an engineer's gaze amazes me. Also, I couldn't initially figure out how to control the passenger's side power mirror; unlike in the Hondas, there's no switch reading "L--R" that you can activate according to which mirror you want to adjust. That's another glaring ergonomic failure on Ford's part.

    Also, the mileage was abysmal. I drove about 154 miles of mostly highway driving and refilled the tank to "Full" before I returned it. It took 11 gallons. That's 14 mpg. Awful.

    And, yes, I know there are people who have had quality-control problems with new Odysseys; I read OdyClub.com. But Honda has a much better rep for producing quality vehicles than Ford does. I have always owned new Hondas; for me to be even remotely considering a new Ford is unprecedented and a testament to how much I was impressed by the quality of its ride.

    Anyone else out there have to overcome fear of Ford to buy an Explorer? If so, are you glad you did?
  • alman08alman08 Member Posts: 282
    When I got my 02 xlt a few years ago, brand new, I had the same concern that you have now. Funny how I did cross shop a CRV with the explorer back then just like what you're doing now, and I decided to go with the ford.
    Well, to answer your question, my explorer isn't perfect, but it's better than what I expected. There were few flaws and I got the extended warranty and ford took care of the problems. unless i'm going to find a good deal on a 04-05 mercedes ml 500, i'm going to stick with this weather-proof machine for a while. good luck car hunting :shades:
  • pjaymacpjaymac Member Posts: 8
    Thanks, alman08! Good to know someone else in my situation actually went for the Ford and that it has worked out, apparently!
  • baggs32baggs32 Member Posts: 3,229
    FWIW pjaymac we owned a '96 Honda Civic and it had far more problems than the 4 Fords and 1 Mazda we've owned so far.

    Our latest Ford is an '06 Explorer XLT and it's one heck of a vehicle! My father-in-law leased a 2002 Explorer EB V6 and had absolutely no problems with it. He's now on his second Explorer, an '06 EB V8, and after about 6 months has had no problems with it either. He drives nearly 20k miles per year so it's not like he doesn't test them either. Therefore the Explorer was an easy choice for us but we still shopped around first.

    Fuel mileage is a concern to some (not me) but again, FWIW, it gets better over time. My father-in-law averaged just under 21 MPG on the highway with the '02 V6 and 16 in the city when all was said and done. The V8 isn't quite as efficient so far but it too should get better over time. Just go easy on the gas pedal. There's plenty of torque down low to get you going. If you drive an Explorer like a Honda, i.e. high RPMs, then you're going to become good friends with the gas station attendants. ;)
  • pjaymacpjaymac Member Posts: 8
    Thanks, baggs32. Sorry you had so many problems with the Civic.

    Have you or your father had many or any visits to your Ford dealer to have recall work or quality-control-repair work done on the Explorer? Did either of you get an extended warranty? If so, for how long, and from what source? (I understand extended warranties can often be purchased at dealerships from which you did not purchase the vehicle for substantial savings; at least, this is the case with Honda Odysseys.)
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    Sounds like a buyer's market for picking up an Explorer:

    March Sales Results (Inside Line)

    Steve, Host
  • pjaymacpjaymac Member Posts: 8
    Thanks, Steve. Too bad that piece didn't break down the numbers by model name. I'd be curious to know which Hondas were hot.

    It's kind of funny in retrospect to read all the posts in this thread from last fall from Ford partisans confidently predicting the '06 Explorer would be one of Ford's best-selling vehicles ever. Looks as if that's not the case.

    Doesn't detract from the vehicle's terrific ride, though. The ride is almost enough of a positive to overwhelm the ergonomic negatives in the cabin (I forgot to add that the turn signal/wiper stalk is too high and heavy; at the least, the wiper function should have been put on its own stalk, if not on the other side of the column as well) and the abysmal mileage.
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    The Ridgeline & Insight apparently are hot. There's a few models mentioned in this MSN Money story. I used to have a link for sales by make/model but I've lost it. Anyone?

    Steve, Host
  • baggs32baggs32 Member Posts: 3,229
    Have you or your father had many or any visits to your Ford dealer to have recall work or quality-control-repair work done on the Explorer? Did either of you get an extended warranty? If so, for how long, and from what source? (I understand extended warranties can often be purchased at dealerships from which you did not purchase the vehicle for substantial savings; at least, this is the case with Honda Odysseys.)

    No recalls or QC work for either of us. Everything has been perfect and we have no reason to expect otherwise.

    We both leased for 3 years so no extended warranty either. However I did buy an extended warranty from the Ford dealer when we bought our '02 Escape. They can be purchased from many web sites (some are even dealers) for less than full price but the prices of them are negitiable at the dealer too. You'll just have to work a little for it. Maybe even take a web site's quote in to see if you'll match it.

    In the case of our '02 Escape we traded it in before the extended warranty was up and Ford refunded the balance of the extended warranty based on the number of years or miles left on it. Some dealers will offer to sell you a third party extended warranty and I don't think you'll get your money back with any of those.
  • mtnman1mtnman1 Member Posts: 431
    "It's kind of funny in retrospect to read all the posts in this thread from last fall from Ford partisans confidently predicting the '06 Explorer would be one of Ford's best-selling vehicles ever. Looks as if that's not the case".

    I'd venture to say the number one reason it's not the best seller is the price of gasoline. Though the Tahoe seems to defy logic. Gorgeous vehicle, but $40,000 is the Max that I would ever spend on a new car or truck. Tahoe would be out of my range the way I would want it equipped.

    Anyway, I have a 2004 Mountaineer AWD V-8 with the Luxury Trim which is the same as the Eddie Bauer trim. I've had one small issue outside of the recall for the transaxle additive. Had a chirp when the A/C cycled on and off. Was annoying to me, but most people didn't notice it when I pointed it out. Ford Engineering came out with a fix which was to put a different pulley on. This was only happening to a small number with the V-8 engine. Haven't had any issues other than that in 2 years and a month of ownership. I would not hesitate to buy another Ford. Don't like the new Mountaineer because of the gaudy wheels they've switched to. I love the way the Explorer looks and I've read they are going to change the inside door handles because of the complaints they've gotten.
    2012 Highlander Limited AWD V6 and 2015 Ford Fusion Hybrid SE
  • walkolifewalkolife Member Posts: 7
    I am a chevy guy, born and raised. But I bought my first BRAND NEW vehicle last november...an 06 XLT. I love it, very satisfied. It practically drives itself.

    I do not think the turn signal lever is too high. I did the first few days, but then I got comfortable with it and I believe it is actually better up there. As far as mileage, it isn't the best but a lot of it has to do with how you drive.

    Only issue so far is that the door handle does not give good leverage when you close the door, which usually needs a repeat try to close it shut. Good thing for that onboard display "driver door ajar". Other thing to do is remove and paint the chrome bezels on the dash, they cause glare in the windshield. But hey, that's gonna be a fun project, whenever I can find the time. Finally, wish I went for the premium sound system but at the time, I was on a tight budget, still am.
  • pjaymacpjaymac Member Posts: 8
    Thanks, baggs32, mtnman1 and walkolife. Good to know Ford is going to address the door handles. One would hope Ford would fix the placement of the interior door release handles and put a grip on the door that the driver can grasp to keep the door from slamming into whatever is next to the vehicle.

    Also good to know the three of you haven't had any recall or QC problems.
  • baggs32baggs32 Member Posts: 3,229
    Good to know Ford is going to address the door handles.

    Word is Ford will be adding a "cup" in the door arm rest for MY07 which will be used to push/pull the door open and closed. I have not heard whether or not they will be removing the other mis-placed handle (which I and my wife have already gotten used to actually) for '07. That handle was put down there for safety reasons as well as comfort actually. The cup in the door arm rest will most likely be made of some sort of hard plastic and be somewhat less comfortable than the soft padded solid arm-rest that resides there now.
  • frieberg44frieberg44 Member Posts: 33
    Regarding fuel economy of the 2006 V-8 Explorer, you can kiss the 20's goodbye. The best you will do with this vehicle is about 18.5 to 19 highway. Your in town driving will net you about 13.5 to 14...max. People who report higher are most likely not keeping accurate track of their mileage. This engine simply sucks a lot of fuel. You cannot get something for nothing with a nearly 300 HP V-8.
    The V-8 is a fun motor to drive, but is a GAS HOG !
  • baggs32baggs32 Member Posts: 3,229
    Fuel mileage typically gets better over time. How many miles do you have on your '06 V8?
  • nvbankernvbanker Member Posts: 7,239
    I rented an 06 Explorer XLT this past week, and was frankly amazed at the improvements that were obvious from the 04 Mountaineer Premier my wife drives. Indeed, it is as quiet as a bank vault, as solid too. It drove so astonishingly well, I intend to acquire a sixth one in 07 (I've owned 5 of them since 1994) when my lease is up. Pity about the door panels, someone should go to the boardroom over that design being approved, but hopefully the 07 will have that resolved. I can't tell ya how surprised I was at the difference, or how impressed I was with the truck. A real shame sales have tanked, folks must be hanging on to their old ones - but they don't know what they're missing until they drive one.
  • baggs32baggs32 Member Posts: 3,229
    A real shame sales have tanked, folks must be hanging on to their old ones - but they don't know what they're missing until they drive one.

    Agreed. Ford needs to get some butts in seats because the differences from MY05 to MY06 are quite astonishing. This wasn't just a sheetmetal update and I don't think most people are aware of that.
  • chuck1chuck1 Member Posts: 1,405
    I had owned an '02 Explorer. I don't know ANYBODY who has purchased Honda (any model) and gone to a Ford (any model) and has been happy.

    You will have quality problems-it just WHAT KIND OF PROBLEMS. Search these posts ...they can't even put the right transmission fluid in the Explorers at the factory. YES, QUALITY....IT CAN BE THAT BAD!!
  • denamy1denamy1 Member Posts: 1
    What is a radio start fuse in a 2006 ford explorer? I broke the fuse fork that holds the fuse in place. The radio/CD works fine and memory on radio is fine. What in the world did that fuse do?
  • ajmtbmajmtbm Member Posts: 245
    well SUV sales have tanked in General. This is probably the biggest reason sales tanked. Also, there is just so much more competition out there - many new models to choose from.

    also - the 06 looks similar to 2002-2005. if they really wanted to make sure people knew the truck was all new, they should have made more significant changes to the body
  • ajmtbmajmtbm Member Posts: 245
    I agree to a certain extent, but my explorer is my first American car. I have bought Japanese before and found that they do last longer, but when stuff breaks, its wicked expensive to fix. people say that american vehicles are cheaper to fix - parts cost less thus break more. net net, its probably not that much more expensive to maintain an american car - but the additional trips to the repair shop will be frustrating.
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Member Posts: 20,878
    for the most part the problems seem to diminish as the models mature.
    my '02 explorer has had it's share of issues. our '04 escape and focus(more mature models) have had zero problems.
    i still enjoy my explorer a lot every time i drive it. taking it on another big road trip at the end of the week. see you in another 2500 miles. can't wait. :)
    2024 Ford F-150 STX, 2023 Ford Explorer ST, 91 Mustang GT vert
  • mtnman1mtnman1 Member Posts: 431
    Every time I see a Honda Pilot I thank God I never bought one of those hideous looking things. I actually test drove one on two different ocassions. I read about the almighty Honda vehicles and thought I'd better check to see what all the fuss was about. Could not get past the horrible styling of this vehicle. Felt like I was driving a Mini Van. Also couldn't tow near as much as the Mountaineer. I'll take my '04 Mountaineer over one of those ugly things anytime, any day. They may have a bit better reliability and retain their value better, but to have to drive around in the worst looking suv (I put that in lower case because it's not really an SUV) would not be worth it to me. Sorry, but this is just my personal preference. Ford Explorer is the best looking SUV on the road IMHO. By the way my Ford product is over 2 years old and outside the Additive for the Transaxle fluid not being correct I have had nothing but smiles. Especially when I pull up alongside a pilot! GAG.
    2012 Highlander Limited AWD V6 and 2015 Ford Fusion Hybrid SE
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Member Posts: 20,878
    basically, i like rwd better than fwd. maybe it's because i grew up with it. i do drive a focus for my everyday commuting. my eb explorer has a v8 and a great 4wd system. it looks good, it runs good, it has a bunch of great features. of course, i want more.
    2024 Ford F-150 STX, 2023 Ford Explorer ST, 91 Mustang GT vert
  • baggs32baggs32 Member Posts: 3,229
    Felt like I was driving a Mini Van.

    Technically you were. The Pilot is based on the last gen Odyssey which got it's roots from the Accord. This is a big reason why Honda does so well financially. They don't have a whole lot of platforms and the sharing of what they do have, which is smart to an extent, is very cost effective.

    This isn't necessarily a bad thing as some prefer the car like ride of a crossover SUV but I think the Explorer has enough car like feel to it with the added strength that it's better in a lot of ways. Our roads around here are pretty terrible (I've heard they're even worse than the infamous roads in Detroit) and tend to tear anything car based to bits.
  • baggs32baggs32 Member Posts: 3,229
    also - the 06 looks similar to 2002-2005. if they really wanted to make sure people knew the truck was all new, they should have made more significant changes to the body

    That was my point (I just didn't spell it out in detail). I think people are seeing the '06 as a minor appearance refresh and don't know what the whole story is.
  • nvbankernvbanker Member Posts: 7,239
    Oh geez, Chuck.... Yes, you may have more issues with your Explorer than with your Toyota, BUT, it will not be as bad as a Cayenne, a Land Rover or an ML - and they cost more.

    Lots of us have had Explorers with no issues for 60,000 miles. Chuck is a customer scorned....but we love him anyway.... :blush:
  • nvbankernvbanker Member Posts: 7,239
    Would be nice if Ford would advertise the new Explorer....
    It's still the best design on the planet for a mid sized SUV.
  • chuck1chuck1 Member Posts: 1,405
    "Lots of us have had Explorers with no issues for 60,000 miles. Chuck is a customer scorned....but we love him anyway.."

    I'd like to teach the world to sing...in perfect harmony... :blush::) :shades:
  • pnewbypnewby Member Posts: 277
    On our '02 EB, only issue was the tires- those Goodyears didn't last as long or have as much traction as those nasty old Firestones. It has been in the shop several times though, for an oil change. Even had to replace the Wiper blades a couple of times. ;)
  • baggs32baggs32 Member Posts: 3,229
    Would be nice if Ford would advertise the new Explorer....
    It's still the best design on the planet for a mid sized SUV.


    I've seen magazine ads but most of them were in car mags. Why on earth don't they have any TV commercials for it yet? Time of year maybe? Saving cash to advertise the Edge instead?
  • pjaymacpjaymac Member Posts: 8
    I see the Explorer ad on TV all the time here in New York. If I hadn't been interested in the vehicle, though, I never would have noticed the ad.
  • dan1dan1 Member Posts: 76
    I agree we test drove a Pilot before buying a used 03 Explorer Limited and were not that impressed and we also could not get over the looks. Yuch! I just went to the Denver auto show the other weekend and if possible they made the Pilot look even worse. Oh well to each his own.
  • mtnman1mtnman1 Member Posts: 431
    I did notice a definite increase in the UGLY factor of the newer Pilots. Like you said, "to each his own." Honda buyers are very loyal to their brand. In fact, I get the impression that a Ford owner is like the stuff you get on the bottom of your shoes when you walk through a cow pasture to them. Very loyal, very snobby, very elitist, and definitely more intelligent than the rest. They are definitely legends in their own minds. I feel I'm much more open minded about purchasing a vehicle. I'm not brand loyal and will research and test drive many different vehicles before I buy. Just because I think my Mountaineer is great and the service department at the Lincoln Mercury Dealer is fantastic doesn't mean I'm going to right out and just look at Fords. I will look at all the possibilities. To me there is more to owning a car than just reliability. I have to enjoy what I'm driving and know that it is a good looking vehicle. Not a carbon copy of what everyone else is driving either.
    2012 Highlander Limited AWD V6 and 2015 Ford Fusion Hybrid SE
  • chuck1chuck1 Member Posts: 1,405
    "To me there is more to owning a car than just reliability."

    Do you have a time that's convenient to take a car to the dealer? I don't. You make an appointment. You rent a car or juggle the family cars, then the dealer doesn't have the part, etc.

    I got rid of my '02 Explorer and replaced it with a 4Runner. RELIABILITY IS EVERYTHING TO ME!!
  • lateralglateralg Member Posts: 929
    If Reliability is everything, why spend so much time on the forum of a vehicle that you consider unreliable?

    I think there's been enough venting of frustration.

    Please lighten up.
  • chuck1chuck1 Member Posts: 1,405
    "Please lighten up."

    I have. You should see me when I am angry! :blush: :shades: :)
  • mtnman1mtnman1 Member Posts: 431
    Obviously Chuck1 I wouldn't want a vehicle that would be in the garage all the time. Point is mine isn't. I wouldn't have bought it if I thought it would be. Hopefully a few years from now I'll feel the same about my choice. I think the 4 Runner is a sharp truck and I looked at them, but Toyota would not budge hardly on the price two years ago. I think the salesman said there was a $500 rebate. No other haggling. I was mainly putting down the ghastly Pilot.
    2012 Highlander Limited AWD V6 and 2015 Ford Fusion Hybrid SE
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