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A planned August delivery of a Taurus X should not be affected in any way by this. This is likely just a temporary hold on production until they work through some inventory that is already at (or on it's way to) dealerships.
I haven't seen any attempt to advertise the Taurus X. It is never mentioned in newspaper ads of dealers, and I haven't seen any TV ads. It seems Ford has decided that crossover buyers should all be pushed into the Edge. The Flex is coming out next year, which will use the mechanics of the Taurus X with different sheet metal.
The rebates for the Taurus X just increased to $2,000 (at least in the Northeast US) effective Dec. 1 to around Jan. 2.
I just received quotes from 5 Ford dealerships in PA. over the net. It was amazing how close they were - the differences could be explained by the differences in invoice prices. They averaged about $500 over Edmund's invoice price before rebates.
It appears some of the dealerships report their invoice price as including the regional advertising fees they are required to pay. That makes the dealer's "invoice price" a couple hundred dollars higher than what Edmunds says.
Are you getting at least $2000 below invoice not MSRP, but the invoice price?
I would wait until you get back to the states. If you think about it, you are ordering an American car, which will then have to be shipped over on a ship, which you are then going to have to ship back on a ship. That is a lot of exposure to salt air, plus a lot of hassles. It is simpler just to get it when you arrive home.
$2,000 rebated from Ford was $1,000 plus additional $1,000 for not using Ford financing used local credit union instead.
Only bad thing about deal Ford web site said Taurus X EB came with sync standard. As I found out latter Web site is wrong, only cars built after 10/01/07 will have it standard. So any one buying one off car dealers lot will be surprised when you have a phone button on your dash board and it does not work. Spoke to Ford consumer help and was told in nice way Tuff.
We're very happy with our '05 AWD Freestyle SEL with DVD, but no moonroof.
Chad
Did you pay any extra fees (doc fee, etc...)?
If you did not pay any extra fees it looks like about $400 under invoice. If you did, the number would be less.
With that many rebates, one would think the price would have been much better!
Does anybody know of a good extended warranty company?
Damon
With $2500 in rebates that should have been at least a $2000 below invoice deal with no extra fees.
Once you have that information you can compare you overseas deal. Since you are picking up the car in the US, I assume AAFES will arrange for the CA TTL. I understand that CA is an expensive state to purchase a car.
If you already signed a contract and put down money, it may be too late!
Good Luck!
The ones they had in stock were all loaded up with options we didn't want, so we ended up doing a factory order. I get X-Plan pricing, so that's the price I got. Plus, I get any rebates/incentives that are in effect at the time of delivery. The other benefit of factory ordering was that new orders come with Sync (unlike the ones on the lot which were "Job 1" orders).
The deal:
2008 TX Eddie Bauer AWD
Merlot with Gold Accent
Reverse Sensing System
Heated Seats
MSRP: $32,490
Invoice: $30,388
X-Plan: $30,342 - rebates/incentives at time of delivery
Also, with X-Plan dealers are allowed to charge up to a $60 doc fee, so the total deal is $30,402 - rebates + TTL
Again, many are falling for extra fees, please watch out. Hopefully, the rebates will be $2K or more when your car arrives.
Just take a look at the Veracruz, CX-9, XL-7, Outlook, etc... threads like this one and you will see many people paying extra fees (from doc fee, to port fee, and other names I have never heard of). Why do you ask? I am just trying to make people aware of this traps.
Let's be clear, we are not talking about the standard TTL fees charged by counties and states, in most cases these are set by law. (Dealers will try to hide them in this part of your contract)
There is little doubt that the fees we are talking about are just fees created by the dealerships to pad their profits. Without a doubt, the "Doc Fee" is the most common, I have seen reports of as little as $50 to as much as $500. There are many others under different names (Port Fee, Prep Fee, Etc.....)
Buyer Beware!
Post your best deal in terms of below invoice price:
07 Freestyle $4900 below invoice.
08 T-X $1000 below invoice.
With $2000 in rebates, at a minimum current deals on 08s should be at least $2000 below invoice.
Watch out for extra fees!
Good Luck.
In my region, the current rebate on the TX is $1500 ($1000 if you take the special financing).
It helped to let the dealers know that I had narrowed everything down to one model, and that I was very straight forward with them about the other dealer's offers. I could tell they could smell someone who was BSing them - they asked questions when they thought the other dealer's trade in value sounded too good. Also, it was helpful to say that I was not in a rush, but wanted to buy before the end of the year. Manufacturers offer incentives to dealers for year end sales quotes.
In the end, the best deal was for an instock model at a couple hundred dollars under invoice (before rebates) and with a very fair value for my trade. Originally, I was going to have the dealers obtain a vehicle from another dealer, but they were able to further discount an in-stock model by digging into the 3% holdback that each dealer gets. As a result, I got a vehicle with more options for the same price.
It is a great time to buy. In the Northeast US, it is $2000 rebate, or $1500 with Ford lower interest financing. The 5.9% financing Ford is offering for 5 years is only slightly less than the 6.1% I got on my own from a credit union.
Post your best deal in terms of below invoice price:
07 Freestyle $4900 below invoice.
08 T-X $1000 below invoice.
With all the rebates, at a minimum current deals on 08s should be at least equal to the rebate below the invoice price. (ie... $2000 rebate = $2000 below invoice)
Watch out for extra fees!
Good Luck.
On my Taurus X, I just had a $50 fee to handle the State documents. When I asked for a quote, I specifically asked for an "out the door price" that included everything except actual State fees and taxes.
The dealership made a very half-hearted attempt to sell me window etching and rustproofing.
I was surprised that the dealership found a lower interest rate than I could get on my own from my credit union. The rate was 5.6% for 5 years.
Some are negotiable, some are mandatory. I guess it depends on your state.
What was your price compared to the invoice price?
Is there anything wrong with that?
I saw you said that the rebate in the Northeast US is $2000. I am also in the Northeast US and I had thought that the rebate is only $1500. Thinking that my info might be wrong, I checked the Ford website. Looks like the rebate for NJ, NY, and New England is, in fact, $1500.
However, the rebate for PA, DE, MD, and VA is $2000. I am guessing that you bought in one of these states. Maybe I should have driven an hour to PA to make my Taurus X deal!!!
Post your best deal in terms of below invoice price:
07 Freestyle $4900 below invoice.
08 T-X $1000 below invoice. (This number is very low, better deals are being made with the CX-9 and VC)
With all the rebates, at a minimum current deals on 08s should be at least equal to the rebate below the invoice price. (ie... $2000 rebate = $2000 below invoice)
Watch out for extra fees!
Good Luck.
What was the XPlan price compared to invoice price?
Was there a trade involved?
Thanks
Xplan then runs about $2,200 more, since their xplan price was $28,700 as I recall. I think the internet price was like $28,350. Our price was $27,700 because we had been told our final price would be $26,200 after the rebate. So, we didn't get invoice minus the rebate by any means.
We did trade a 2004 Honda Odyssey and thus did some tinkering with the numbers to get that paid, since the trade in value was abyssmal. However, this was a lease vehicle so in Texas, we did not get any tax credit for the trade in.
Post your best deal in terms of below invoice price:
07 Freestyle $4900 below invoice.
08 T-X $1000 below invoice. (This number is very low, better deals are being made with the CX-9 and VC)
With all the rebates, at a minimum current deals on 08s should be at least equal to the rebate below the invoice price. (ie... $2000 rebate = $2000 below invoice)
Watch out for extra fees!
Good Luck.
Dealer Invoice * .996 + $75
In addition, you get whatever the current factory incentives are. Also, the dealer is allowed to charge up to $75 for documentation fees. X-Plan doesn't include tax, tags, license, either.
I have a feeling that the Consumer Reports invoice price that you were working off of might have already included the incentives. That may be where the discrepancy lies.
If you use X-Plan pricing, you are allowed to request the actual dealer invoice. On the invoice, you should see the dealer invoice price as well as the X-Plan price. If it doesn't match, or you think there is some funny business going on, call the X-Plan customer service 1800 number and ask for assistance on getting the deal that you deserve.
You didn't give your exact options, and you didn't say if you got FWD or AWD, so I couldn't get the exact invoice. However, according to Edmunds, the invoice price is about $2000-$2500 less than MSRP. So, if the MSRP for your vehicle is around $30,500, then the invoice price is probably around $28,000. If that's the case, then you probably got around invoice price before incentives, which sounds about right for an X-Plan deal.
So why did CR give you a different invoice price? My guess is that they subtracted the incentives from the dealer invoice. Again, this matches up with your numbers, since you said that the CR price was around $26,500, which is the invoice price minus the $1500 rebate.
As I posted earlier, I factory ordered a TX using the X-Plan. My tentative deal is right around invoice minus incentives, so it looks like you pretty much got the same type of deal.
Thanks